What does /pol/ think about Operation TZD?
>Germany captured roughly 2.5–3 million Soviet soldiers as POWs during the first few months of Operation Barbarossa (June–December 1941).Brutal stuff.
>>541551037because the soviets had millions of soldiers and tens of thousands of tanks at the german border in offensive positionsthey were all catched by surprisethe truth will come out and if it takes anoither 100 years
well did it ultimately mean anything in the big picture>but le ebil judeobolshebibibiwaaawaaaalmfao kikes sold weapons to the Nazis and Zionists openly collaborated to receive deported jews at "Israel" i.e. terrorist settlements in Palestine
>>541551192deranged russian shillthe kikes literally supported the soviets with everything they had
>>541551192Nazi Germany was opposed to the creation of Israel.
>>541550946Jewish puppets Hitler and Stalin genociding many millions of Europeans
>>541551769only Stalin was supported by Jewsyou show up in every thread to spew your disinformation
>>541550946Everybody serious here know the facts>the (((Soviets))) staged the ground for the biggest invasion force of all times.The Nazis, who, at that time were basically the good guys were forced to counter i.e. attack preemptively. Else they would have been steamrolled. What played out is known but context and bias matters. The most objective summary would be>nobody got the numbers right, semi jew Stalin had transferred all economic gains into the invasion; the amount of men and material was staggering>Germany fought bravely and objectively, because morale was so high, overachieved>they would have smashed the SU if not for the massive amounts of material support from the allies, lend-lease>culminating in 42, Germany lost the initiative and couldn't save the west, effectively fighting three jew-controlled empires, each on bigger than itself>the war transformed the world and its foundational myths are all lies>jews good, jews victims>holobunga central issue of western culture>no race>nazis ontological evil, hitler satan>all nations and christianity made arranged themselves with this narrative>for obvious reasons, the SU became the real enemy right after the war>but no war took place against an evil empire, objectively far worse than the nazis>instead, jews handed them the nuke>>541551192>muh haavararidiculous assertion. It was just a civil, gentlemanlike agreement and it didn't pan out. Ultimately, just about 100 or so kikes were convinced to gtfo and build a house in their alleged homeland. A footnote of a footnote.>>541551769this is silly on 6 mio levels. If both were allies, all they had to do is gulag everybody like in the SU. Jew rulership achieved! Why didn't the Nazis do that?Oh yes, because they actually opposed zion.
>>541551865Hitler was also supported by jews, e.g. picrel. We have been over this many times. You never, ever come up with actual arguments>>541552633>all they had to do is gulag everybody like in the SU. Jew rulership achieved! Why didn't the Nazis do that?The Nazis did do that, except the gulags were the Russian battlefields (where Germans died en masse due to Hitler's sabotage) and German metropolitan areas (where Germans died en masse due to jewish Luftwaffe general |Erhard Milch's sabotage)
>>541550946>Operation TZDIt actually killed far more Ukrainians and Belarusians than Russians?
>>541552633>Ultimately, just about 100 or so kikesLmao at your blatant, jewish lies. Over 60,000 jews transferred to Palestine under Haavara, representing over 12% of German jewry, and about 15% of the total jewish population of Palestine in 1940
>>541551157>in offensive positionsLmao nostop lying
>>541551434>everything they had~1% of Soviet production 90% of which arrived after OP Uranus began and Germany was doomedyeah they like to play it safe
>>541552633why lie?there is no indication the soviet's were intending on attacking, if they where all they had to do was stop supplying the axis with 90% of their fuel, weird how they kept trading right up until Germany attacked
>>541553406the pic proves you wrongyoure not even trying, you russian kike
>>541553496Lmao no it doesn't you simply have no understanding of Soviet production during ww2
>>541553364tanks are by definition offensive weapons, you stupid russian and the russians had tens of thousands of them on the german border
>>541553449>why lie?Because it's the only way Barbarossa's timing and initial supply situation makes any sense at all. Without the imagined imminent threat, sending the largest army ever assembled into Russia without winter gear, in summer on a six month best case scenario, already has all the genocidal idiocy that would only become obvious later when Hitler mass murdered German men with his retarded DirectivesIt's pure Hitlertard cope
>>541553542the pic shows that russians themselves admitted they would have lost the war without lend leaseheck, Krushchev himself said it in his memoirsyouure a malfunctionign shill
>>541553549may we see this definition?so any nation keeping tanks near a border is planning on invasion?bro this hasn't started well for you
>>541553584tens of thousnad of them?certainlythats basically how the Russia Ukraine war started in 2022
>>541553576>imagined imminent threatExactlyImaginedhere's a explanation, hitler was a retard that believed he could get a alliance with the UK and the USSR was his enemy about to invade, when it was the complete opposite
>>541553576They were massed for an imminent invasion of Germany, well forward of the massive defensive fortifications that Stalin had built. It is impossible they were there for any other reason, which is such a staggering amount of men, aircraft, tanks, guns etc were annihilated in the first week of the invasion. They weren't in defensive fortifications in defensible terrain, which Stalin had gone to great time and expense to build, they were out in the open right up against the border with airfields there to provide the deepest possible coverage into Poland and Germany.
>>541553579this lie again?>Krushchevyeah he would know, what did he do in ww2 again?KekHere's a quote by someone in a position to know the reality>Western bourgeois political and military historians allege that the Soviet Army was able to achieve its superiority in materiel owing to Anglo-American assistance. This is far from true. I do not wish completely to deny its value though as in some degree it did help the Soviet Army and our war industry. However, it did not amount to much and hence cannot be considered of much significance.pg466 from Zhukovs autobiography
>>541553297Deterding wasnt a jewalso your entire argument makes no senseapparently Hitler was paid to conquer oil? but then he purposefully lost the war?youre just a retarded Hitler hater
>>541551434>>541553579>pic quotes the quack Boris Sokolov as a reliable sourceLmao, get the fuck out of here you actual, raging retard>>541553646Yeah, because the best way to prepare for an invasion is to supply the victim with all the resources it needs>>541553627> hitler was a retard that believed he could get a alliance with the UKHe actually was a puppet who fell for anglo schemes, pic related. Of course the judeo-masonic cabal that recruited Hitler picked him to prop up because he was easy to bamboozle in the first place
>>541552633>they would have smashed the SU if not for the massive amounts of material support from the allies, lend-leasethis is absolutely true. Lend-Lease saved the day for the russians in 1942 and 1943, which were arguably the hardest years for them (not even 1941)
>>541553702lolthe guy that send millions of russian in human waves against the german of course cant admit he was also massively supported by the americans and the britishit would take his last bit of credibilitythe facts are obvious
>>541553751>Deterding wasnt a jewNo, but Deterding was 100% a Rothschild agent, as you could easily have picked up on had you read that picrel
>>541553756noone but you mentioned anyone named Boris Sokolov, who ever that is
>>541553646there where two defensive lines, the old one and a new molotov one that was being built
>>541553835so Hitler was paid to conquer oil, but he was also purposefully losing the warwhich is it?
if the soviets weren't preparing for an invasion, why did they build literally thousands of airfields/landing strips in the newly conquered territories between 1939 and 1941?
>>541553579Indeed>Stalin: "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war ....The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.">Khrushchev: "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,">Zhukov: "People say that the allies didn't help us. But it cannot be denied that the Americans sent us materiel without which we could not have formed our reserves or continued the war. The Americans provided vital explosives and gunpowder. And how much steel! Could we really have set up the production of our tanks without American steel? And now they are saying that we had plenty of everything on our own."
>>541553799>human wavesKekThanks for showing you know nothing about ww2amazing that despite all these human waves the KIA ratio was 1:1.3 the germans must be even more shot at war than we knew
>>541553782Lend-Lease only picked up steam in late 1942. Hitler had already made sure the war would be lost by thenAll Lend-Lease did was quicken the march to Berlin (although the US still had to delay the invasion, and fake the Arnhem battle, just to make sure the Red Army got there first to find muh death camps, and mass rape the Germans) and of course, arm the future adversary for the fake and gay Cold War
>>541553863if the soviets weren't preparing to defend against an invasion, why did they build literally thousands of airfields/landing strips in the newly conquered territories between 1939 and 1941?
Why does NAFO troons support antisemites and Nazis? Putin is man who wants to stop Nazis.
>>541553884the russians lost like 30 million people in the warthey claim most of these were civiliansbut most of the dead were men not womenthe only explanation is that they send tens of million if men in human waves against the german armyand that is exactly what german soldiers reported
>>541553943i accept your concession
>>541553782Lend-Lease only picked up steam in late 1942. Hitler had already made sure the war would be lost by thenAll Lend-Lease did was quicken the march to Berlin (although the US still had to delay the invasion, and fake the Arnhem battle, just to make sure the Red Army got there first to find muh death camps, and mass rape the Germans) and of course, arm the future adversary for the fake and gay Cold War>>541553862All they wanted was for Hitler to attack the USSR, and he dutifully obliged, not least because he got ample funding, tech, and support from Wall Street jews and US industry. They all gave Germany just enough rope to hang itself with
>>5415538751 not a stalin quote, it a reporter that spoke to someone who claimed he said that2. True3. Fake quote, won't find it anywhere Here's the real zhukov quote >>541553702
>>541550946what about the ukrainian Soviet divisions fighting in finland
>>541553782How did it save them in 1942 when it was barely anything? are you just making shot up?
>>541553928>Lend-Lease only picked up steam in late 1942.so of the literally MILLIONS of tons of aid they sent the USSR in 1942, a couple million only came in by late 1942, eh?in fact already within late 1941 when it was initiated, the Soviets received half a million tons of materiel, food, clothing and the likeIt seems I should remind you that the USSR literally lost its breadbasket during Barbarossa and without Lend-Lease they would've had a massive incapacitating famine
>>541553971I accept your concession
>>541553966oi vey the civilians where akshoolly soldiers
>>541553986why would Hitler made sure he would lose the war?youre just wrting absoltue nonsense
>>541554048yes, the soviets just lied about itthe soviets lied about everythingin case you didnt know
>>541554037you're a retarded australian communist, possibly not even australian but a chink instead, and you failed to make a point.
>>541553862>Hitler was also purposefully losing the warHitler was a puppet. Puppets have very limited agency. Hitler was drugged every single day by his Soviet asset doctor, and he was influenced by enemy assets all over his inner circle (like Bormann)
>>541554093holy schizo babble
>>541554036>It seems I should remind you that the USSR literally lost its breadbasket during Barbarossa and without Lend-Lease they would've had a massive incapacitating famineSo truewithout that 1% of food the soviet's would have starved to deathLmaoimagine constantly being proven wrong and jumping from one lie to the next
>>541554052You're right, Hitler's handlers would be more accurate
>>541554068keep coping
>>541553990Stalin at Yalta. KGB monitoring of Zhukov, because of course they kept tabs on their greatest war heroes...https://loveread.me/read_book.php?id=51948&p=36
>>541554132hm what?where exactly did the soviets get their food from while the entire west of reussia was occupied by german soldiers?
>>541554125Are you denying Hitler was drugged out of his wits on a daily basis during Barbarossa?
>>541554093I agree that Hitler was a puppet from the beginning but he clearly went "rogue" by either 1938 (when he had fired Hjalmar Schacht, a freemason, and banned freemasonry) or 1941-1942 at the latest (Dec 1941 is when he assumed full control of the Wehrmacht and in mid-1942 he fired Franz Halder)I believe he was always suicidal and committed himself to "sacrificing" himself and the German people on the altar of the ideology after Mussolini was overthrown in July 1943. SHortly before his suicide he declared even the German people weren't worth any sacrifice as the war proved they were not superioralso>Soviet asset doctorMorell was a self-serving quack but this accusation is ridiculous. Same as Reinhard Gelen's post-war accusation that Bormann was ackchyually a Soviet spy
>>541554145there is no copelook up the male female ratio in the soviet union after the warthat cant be explained by civilian deaths as soviets claim its due to male meat waves they send into german bullets>The region has been predominantly female since at least World War II, when many Soviet men died in battle or left the country to fight. In 1950, there were just 76.6 men per 100 women in the territory that is now Russia.https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/08/14/why-the-former-ussr-has-far-fewer-men-than-women/
>>541554168>where exactly did the soviets get their food from while the entire west of reussia was occupied by german soldiers?from AmericaBTW, fun fact: lend-lease is also where the famous "russian" tushonka comes from.
>>541554146It's not stalin at yalta, it's a third hand source from a reporter, stop lyingMay we see these kgb recordings? or are they refered to only in this one book and nowhere else?
>>541554239Yes it can, obv males are killed over women, you can see that in every genocide that happens ie balkans ~7M Soviet women were killedlet me guess they had a entire double of their military made up of womanLmao you are retarded
>>541554250Lmao wrong you sound like the retards that always comment in lend lease threads
>>541554223>he clearly went "rogue" by either 1938 or 1941-1942 at the latestNonsense. Barbarossa was exactly what his puppet masters had intended him to do all alongAs he did in Dunkirk and Egypt, during Barbarossa Hitler managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time and again with the most egregiously stupid Directives which stupefied all his competent staff every single time, such as the Halt order in sight of Moscow (Directive 33), the genocidal December 1941 Halt order, and of course shitting all over HGS' Caucasus oil plans and attacking Stalingrad for no good reason with Directive 45And he did it all under copious amounts of stimulants and narco-hypnotics from his 'quack' doctor, who not only escaped punishment after the war like all regime moles, but whose chief assistant went on to drug and hypnotize the chief of German intelligence for the SovietsIncidentally, Dr Morell sabotaged the German war effort in more ways, too>Reinhard Gehlen's post-war accusation that Bormann was ackchyually a Soviet spyExcept Gehlen had zero reason to lie about it, he made a solid argument (Soviets were aware of troop movements as soon as decisions were made at OKW), and of course, the USSR and the US fell over each other denying it
>>541554406the population of the soviet union was around 200 milliona male to female ratio of 0.76 means 25 million fewer men than women
>>541554470ah yes, Hitler killed 30 million Russians because he wanted to lose the warbrilliant logic, you russian shill
>>541554500Yes moron, more men where killed as I saidcan you read?
>>541554560you retardyou cant explain 25 million fewer men than women by famines or other civilian causesonly military deaths explain it
>>541554500Your link clearly suggests there are structural reasons for this, as the ratio is still 0.88 today>>541554543I repeat Hitler had very limited agency, because he was a drugged up puppet and his party, armed forces and inner circle had been infiltrated by enemy assets all the way to the top. Kek even his counterintel was famously a nest of double agents led by the longtime anglokike asset Canaris
>>541554601holy fuck you are stupid, literally no one disputes that they killed civilians, and we know the size of the Soviet military, it's wasn't magically x3 larger than any historian ever notedfuck you for destroyed in this thread, try read a bit deeper next time and not get your info from movies and meme infographics
>>541553756Disregard this deranged toothpaste anon, he is an unemployed jew living in Netherlands on the tit of the white people, like all jews.Its uncanny how he manifests himself in every Hitler thread its like its his life work to lie about the Nazis the only real opposition against jews and multiculturalism that we've had for 100 years.This deranged kike has been doing this shit for YEARS. Ignore him. It's exactly like the "arguing with jews" he has gotten debunked a million times yet he keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over.
>>541554464Lmao wrong you sound like the retards that always comment in lend lease threads
>>541553990>someone who claimed he said thatNikita Krutchev, a soviet premier claimed he said that in his memoirs.You're free to not believe him of course, I do believe him in this case.Also you're literally a shitskinned mudslime bioweapon in Australia, without jews destroying the White Australia Policy you would have never step foot in there.Of course you shill against the Nazis because Nazi ideology is that white christian countries are for white christians, i.e. not (You)
>>541554723Why you don't sound neurotically obsessed at all broLove living in you head rent-free though. So much space!
>>541554290I do beg your pardon. It's early. It was Tehran and it's well attested.The Zhukov thing came from scholars working with the KGB archives in those brief years of Russian freedom. I doubt they are available in the current climate. The earliest work was in the book I showed you, Vladimir Karpov, Marshal Zhukov: Opala (Mapшaл Жyкoв: Oпaлa)Moscow: Veche, 1994.It reproduces the quotation in Russian and attributes it to a May 27, 1963 memorandum by KGB chairman Vladimir Semichastny concerning Zhukov’s “moods.” But we both know thre isn't enough evidence to change the mind of shills and ingrates of anything.
>>541554771I've posted the evidence showing LL provided a grand total of 1% of Soviet food stuffs, you talked about feelings
>>541554708so you thinkt he german soldiers were goign around killing millions of civilians?
>>541554470>during Barbarossa Hitler managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time and again with the most egregiously stupid Directives which stupefied all his competent staff every single time, such as the Halt order in sight of Moscow (Directive 33), the genocidal December 1941 Halt order, and of course shitting all over HGS' Caucasus oil plans and attacking Stalingrad for no good reason with Directive 45it's debatable whether Hitler himself or rather the officer staff were responsible for the fuckup.certainly the thing that plagued the German army was the reliance on Hitler's approval for even minuscule actionsHitler stated already in like August 1941 that for him Moscow was merely a geographic point on the map and the oil fields in the Caucasus were more important and I think he was entirely right but the officers wanted to keep pushing to Moscow and even disobeyed Hitler's orders many times. this chaos certainly didn't help them
>>541554799should be easy to show the quote then right?let me guess you can't? shockingshowing the trie figures of lend lease I'd shilling against the nazistake a break mate
>>541554841you posted a chart with "Lend-Lease food"Lend-Lease ALSO included grainso your chart might just be showing the processed food (the "famous" tushonka being part of that) that Lend-Lease also providednot to mention the USSR retook Ukraine between late 1943 and early-mid 1944 and your chart is the total for the years 1941-1945
>>541554657that doesnt answer the pointif the german army killed 30 million russians they certainly werent trying to lose the waryour entire "logic" is laughable
>>541554820Yes, a reported claimed he spoke to someone who said stalin said that, well arrested third hand sourceso they scrubbed it off the internet because of these current times? yes and that's the only place it's ever been seen or refered to, despite us now access to having kgb archives...
>>541554853yes, happened everywhere in ww2
fun fact - the USSR continued to rely on grain imports from the US even during the Cold War.they traded gold for grain...
>>541555025sure it happened here and there but not tens of millionsthats jsut stupid
>>541554966Nope, includes all food stuffWhy don't YOU show this LL grain?
>>541555045source?
>>541553297insane disinfo.The moment you become powerful, everybody wants to be your friend, especially jews. Some, like Bolsonaro or Trump will become effective lackeys.Others, like Hitler, not.The Nazis had almost no outside money during their rise. There's an exceedingly thin record of industrialists supporting them. Jews, practically none. Your best findings are shitty books about alleged transactions from 1931(!) onward LMAO! The flimsy Rothschild connection is even worse because of course they have their tentacles in all the pies. Who knew?The real proof is in the pudding.Did Hitler do any policy like in the US or SU which empowered jewry or did he do the opposite?You have not only nothing, some of the evidence isn't even flimsy, it's negative>they didn't even gas Elie de Rothschild!so you say the holocaust didn't happen? Glad we agree on something>>541553297>"The Nazis did do that">the real gulags were the battlefieldsmore lunacyYou can rearrange any narrative if you know the ultimate outcome.>jews let William the conquerer win Hastings so negroes would swarm Britain>aliens communicated with person x because here's a paper thin connection>>541553363You didn't cite me correctly, I said 'houses'. Jews used it mainly to fuck off and move there which suited some Nazis just fine. But Hitler didn't want it from the start so they phased it out. Read Mein Kampf, what did he write? (And he was right)Again, you just twist the narrative while ignoring the outcome. Who was the real supporter of early israel and who supported it with weapons, intel and money?
>>541555042may we see three grain imports?would be very interesting to take a look at
>>541555054time for you to show some data and sources mate, you've made lots of claims backed up by nothing https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13518046.2025.2585687
>>541554902>debatable whether Hitler himself or rather the officer staff were responsible for the fuckupNot really, with the exception of short periods when Dr Morell completely disabled Hitler, it's clear from all accounts that he often micromanaged military movements and of course after December 1941, he had full control (at least nominally, because low and mid level officers saved many thousands of German soldiers by ignoring his genocidal Halt order that month)>Moscow was merely a geographic point on the map Yeah, completely retarded of course given Soviet centralization and Russian geography. Nobody with any knowledge of the situation could make sense of the Moscow Halt order at all. Splitting HGM? EVERYONE knew that was a classical mistake. Stopping with Moscow, the Soviet command and infrastructure nexus, in sight? Sending its mobile divisions up north for a siege in a swamp? Utterly ridiculous. This isn't hindsight, Everyone involved back then was flabbergasted and horrified by these interventions> the oil fields in the Caucasus were more important That's what he hid behind at the time. But then the next year, when HGS actually conquered Rostow-on-Don and the Caucasus lay wide open, Hitler ALSO SPLIT this army group, leaving only a rump to invade the Caucasus to the Baku oil field, while sending the bulk hundreds of kilometer east to heavily fortified StalingradIt made zero sense at the time, and it doesn't today. Well, except for his handlers of course, who narrowly prevented Germany gaining an actual advantage with Caucasus oil
>>541555002He said it a room full of people while being presented with a sword.But, never mind. Even you admitted>Khrushchev: "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,"Was true. During World War II, Khrushchev was again a commissar, serving as an intermediary between Stalin and his generals. He was also present at the Battle of Stalingrad, a fact in which he took great pride. You know better than him, do you?
>>541554906The quote is in the picture you blind shitskin
>>541555080>The Nazis had almost no outside money during their riseMore lies from you, e.g. pic related>flimsy Rothschild connection It's not flimsy, Their agent Deterding supported the Nazis with massive amounts of money. Rothschilds were and are famous for acting through such agents>Did Hitler do any policy like in the US or SU which empowered jewryYes, everything he did empowered jewry, first because of his close alliance with the zionists and second, because he had been programmed to self-destruct all along, he automatically discredited all he stood forNot to mention of course, the war he conducted so conveniently disastrously ended up with Europe being carved up between Wall Street jews and judeo-bolsheviks, i.e. xactly the people who had covertly supported him all along>so you say the holocaust didn't happen? I do say that, although many jews died, mostly the assimilated and anti-zionist ones, and literally ZERO elite, 'cosmopolitan financier jews' whom Nazis had often railed against
>>541555349a reported spoke to someone who CLAIMED he said it in a room of peoplevery different from what you are claimingNo one is disputing kruschev >You know better than him, do you?No, but Zhukov sure would, and he claims the opposite
>>541551037They were all slaughtered in camps later and used as a "muhh k/d"Why cuck Stalind didn't slaughtered 3 million captured germans at the end if war is a mystery to me.
>>541555080>But Hitler didn't want Haavara from the start so they phased it out.More lies, see picrel. This is tiresome. Try sourcing your idiotic claims so I can more comprehensively demolish them
>>541555494Are you stupid or pretending to be stupid? The source for that quote, it doesn't exist, even though we have had access to the kgb archives for like 20 years, but if it's in a meme... must be real
>>541554973>if the german army killed 30 million russians they certainly werent trying to lose the warI never said the German army was trying to lose the war. Just their puppeted leaders' handlersAlso the whole war had to be calibrated carefully to maximize victims on both sides. Of course the cabal had had ample practice in that field during WW1
>>541553449why you don't look at the evidence first?Some facts>Shortly before, Stalin dismantled all barriers, bunkers, minefields, eg the "Stalin line">in December 1940 an ultra secret meeting of the highest generals discussed offensive and surprise strategies against Europe>Rus generals complained that all exercises revolved around attacking, bridge crossing, there were no defense plans anymorethis alone should nip any kvetching in the bud. Russians defended by instinct, not plans. The biggest most well funded army of the world had to improvise IN THE FIELD.>production revolved around attack planes and tanks, any defensive strategy was abandoned and vast amounts of materiel was right at border with almost no defense, very ssensible in an attack but suicidal in peace>just the amount of tanks was staggering and outranked all other armies combined and then some ~25K, compared to maybe 10K for everyone else>tanks were build with roads in mind, which Russia doesn't have but western Europe does, many were amphibious which is almost useless in defensePlease mind that Stalin, like Russia today, favoured total specialisation with materiel. Nothing was a coincidence and features or lack thereof were deliberate.>Over a million(!) grunts were certified for airborn deployment. Again, we're talking about Russia were some soldiers were sent against the enemy with a stick. He also acquired vast amounts of suitable transports and gliders for such a type of invasion>pre war army numbers exploded to unsustainable levels, this could only fly in a country already at the brink of starvation because of the impending invasion>the first divisions were already right at the border, complete with German dictionaries and phrases needed for an invasion>in easrly battles Russian artillery couldn't support their own side properly, as their maps focused on European invasion sitesLet's stop here. The thing is closed, "German aggression" has been debunked like the holy H.
>>541555616thats why you vehemently have to deny that the Soviets were preparing to attack Europe and that Hitler acted preemptivelyyou have all these conspiracy theories, but the most obvious thing, what tens of thousands of tanks and millions of soldiers on the german border mean, you cant figure outHitler also confirms these facts and his reasoning in his talk with Mannerheimbecause if you accept these fact your entire story implodesthere is no evidence that Hitler was some kind of mad man
>>541550946Delaying it until late June due to Mussolini's incompetence was a major mistake.
>>541555748My interpretation of these events doesn't depend on your fringe Icebreaker theory at all, dumbassEven if the jewish puppet Stalin planned to invade Western Europe, the jewish puppet Hitler beat him to it by invading Russia just like his puppet masters wanted him to do all alongYour theory simply doesn't correspond to the facts, such as the USSR supplying Nazi Germany with massive amounts of resources all the way up to 1941I know it's hard to fathom for an ideologically charged useful idiot like you, but I judge theories on their factual and rational merit alone
>>541555729>why you don't look at the evidence first?sure if be glad too, may I see this evidence? cos you just making statements isn't evidence>>Over a million(!) grunts were certified for airborn deployment. Lmaobro are you legit retarded? let's see the evidence for this, can't wait
>>541555785>due to Mussolini's incompetence Or due to Mussolini being a longtime anglo asset, his jewish mistress being his closest confidante and 'mother of fascism', his doctor being the same suspicious quack as Hitler's, and his general Badoglio who conveniently botched the Greek invasion being an OSS liaisonIncompetence just doesn't really cover it
>>541555892thats not a "frince theory" thats literally what the entire war against the Soviet union was aboutits what Hitler walked about during the warits "fringe" to deny the obvious
>>541550946At the end it was a success, the pidor union collapsed and Russia was balkanised just as planned >You didn't win fast enough Ah okay, weird cope.
>>541556134*talked
>>541556086was Churchill also a jewish asset?was Roosevelt a jewish asset?
>>541550946Total Zionist Death is ok for twitter, I guess, but here we can just say TKD
>>541556161churchhill was a literal jew
>>541556495Im asking him not you
>>541556149>taking the lowest axis and highest Soviet numbers KekI see what you did, generally it's accepted the USSR suffered 8.5M on all fronts
>>541550946I think it was based. It knocked Germany out of the league of great powers forever.
>>541556559why is it unfathomable to you that the soviets would lie about their numbers?everything there was a lie
>>541556568We went right back at where we were before.
>>541556559Generally accepted by whom? Tankie trannies?
>>541556743Everyone you retard, the 11M figure includes POWs that died in captivitywhy comment when you have no clue about the field?
>>541550946Hey Grok what happened to Finland in 1944?
>>541556609So someone claim Germany had 40M soldiers and when you question it then can ask you why is so hard for you to believe Germany lied? Lmao
>>541555503You have no arguments.It would be utterly surprising if one of the most modern countries at the time had no jewish money stream going in and out.Your whole idea rests on>I see some monies here!>therefore all jewishThis is true CTardism, where any small detail which either doesn't fit with a puerile narrative of world events or can be blown up into something which it isn't automatically means an alternative, unhingest conspiracy theory is correct.>I do say that, Here you're admitting that the holocaust didn't happen, thereby also fully admitting zionist narrative rule after ww2 but bemoaning the civilized and well-mannered tone of Nazi politics. I admit, it might be too much for some people to understand that civilized Whites in the past usually didn't kill their enemies willy nilly. You absolutely might call them cucks or deluded or naïve. But this extreme perspective of deleting the enemies is a (proto-) jewish twist which only recently fully impregnated western thought. Note how Bush and Trump, zio's biggest lackeys have popularized truly evil acts of violence and also the bragging about it.You fundamentally misunderstand NS Weltanschauung and policy.>>541555920you can check out the evidence for yourself.Your first stop would be Suvorov's books. Then check out the debate over the books which is surprisingly small and resembles holocaust defense in some parts. John Wear also provided some deep analysis of claims of both sides.Most facts aren't really disputed. It's just handwaved and belittled. (eg "it's normal for soldiers to carry around a dictionary of the neighbouring nations' language"). In context, they are devastating.Note also that this argument was around from hour 1. The Nazis immediately published their reasons for the eastern push and every soldier (some of which I spoke of) had no delusions about why they marched what they saw and what was at stake.
>>541556731Your a nation of mutts and a dying ethnic race Controlled by Jews What do you mean “back to our former position”
>>541557337>No U
>>541557331>makes retarded claim>gets called out>find it yourselfLmaowe would if the stupid shit you said was true, but it's notwhy did you ignore the direct question about your claim of 1M airborne certified troops?did you realize it was a completely retarded lie that went too far?>>Over a million(!) grunts were certified for airborn deployment. >were some soldiers were sent against the enemy with a stickpol doesn't forget retardanon
>>541557466Since ziggers and miggers flooded this board retardation became the norm
>>541557456I mean yes, but my point stands The collective west has been sold down the river
>>541557496Hate to break it to ya sonZiggers been here since 2013
>>541557337Seldom was a post so blatantly Freudian and full of hot tears of shamealso, what is an>ethnic race?Racially, White Americans are all European. The v-a-s-t majority is Germanic. You cluster best with Germany and England.There is no racial difference between your Whites and ours."Ethnicity" is fake, there is only race and culture. It's a (((wishy-washy))) term meant to confuse you about the simplest of things. If you don't need a word and it confuses everybody because you can mean all sorts of things we already have words for- then why us it?Because your anti White bias is palpable we know it worked.
>>541557552And miggers since 2015 so both are newfags and don't belong here.
>>541557533We lost the important wars after all so shitty outcomes are expected but you winners speedrunning national suicide faster than anyone for no good reason at all is incredible
>>541557466but it's true and one of the most interesting claims to just handwave away. It's one of Suvorov's central claims and he provides extensive sourcing. Stalin provided many over five hundred training towers and amassed 200x the amount of airborne troopers of everyone else.here's a startGlantz, David, 1984 Soviet Airborne ExperienceCatherine Merridale, 2006 Ivan’s WarAlexander Nikolayevich Ponomaryov, 1980Пoкopитeли нeбa (Masters of the Skies)you're a complete loser if you invest in anti White narratives and don't bother to check yourself.Once more, the million desants isn't disputed by mainstream jew historians.Hitler was right and you're a faggot.
>>541555297Even Zhukov admitted that halting on Moscow to encircle the armies at Kiev was the right decision, the goals of Barbarossa was to defeat the Red Army in the field, are they to leave 600k men on their flank?Army Group North's siege of Leningrad I'll grant you was a bit silly.
>>541557643(Same person on way to work) No retard /pol/ wasn’t born until 2013 /UG/ was born 2014 /sg/ was born in 2015You NAFO fags and /k/ucks trying to place yourselves in here as the oldfags doesn’t work out because so many of you retards hold liberal views and aren’t even European racially
