https://www.advocate.com/news/crime/rihanna-kelver-wyoming-self-defenseTime for gun supporters to show if they actually have principles or just want to oppress minorities. Should trans folx have the same rights to self defense as cishets?
>>541606739republicans fund the NRA which lobbies for gun restrictions so their gunkopop collection becomes more valuable.they love gun restrictions
>>541606739The insane should not be permitted to own a gun.
>>541606739https://youtube.com/shorts/aEm8qV-A8yk
>>541606739No, because tranniggers have a severe schizoaffective delusional mental illness. It should be illegal for a trooncoon to have a gun.
FYI this is a constantly repeated line of attack>You don't want blacks/gays/trannies/leftists/women/etc. to have guns, so you don't deserve to have guns either!Of course they're attacking a strawman so it may be disregarded but just be aware of propaganda.
>>541606739theres a video it shows the tranny walking straight up towards a guy while their hand is on their gun and when they get too close the guy pushes them away and then walks away while the tranny pulls out the gun and points it at themyou cant claim self defense if you are the one being aggressive in the first place
>>541606739Rather odd choice of clothes and chapeau. It's going to a strange place. It used to be guys wanting to be hollywood starlets. Now it's old jewesses on jimson weed.
>>541606739>rihannabruhhttps://youtu.be/S_C5GGN_nBQ
>>541606739looney troons are so crazy they should be put downnot even out of hate: out of mercy
>>541607002Once the left is back in power, rightoids will be declared mentally ill and have their guns taken away using the same precedent you're creating.>>541607120She was called slurs and shoved to the ground. She pulled out her gun in fear for her life.
It was offered a deal and decided to go to trial.
>>541607120>>541607331https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjJz77lDhhMshe came up on them as the aggressor ready to draw
>>541607444>their>their>they>them>>541607331>she>>541607444>sheif you want a neutral pronoun, luckily, one already exists: "it" (the quotes are important: make them with your fingers when talking)
>>541606739
>>541606739At no point was this troon in lethal danger, nor did it fear for their life while escalating the incident multiple times before the other party simply walked away in the face of a loaded gun being pointed at them by the troon in question.This is a textbook case of tranny melodrama and delusions of grandeur, persecution, and victimhood. Don't like being called out as a freak? Get the fuck out of Wyoming.Hope this troon goes to jail and the inevitable happens.
>>541607692This will create a precedent to end self defense laws in wyoming. I mean, works for me but you're the ones who supposedly support 2A.
Someone definitely should give this man a firearm
>>541606739Everyone has the same right to self defense. Just like every property owner has the right to refuse service to trannies and has the right to forbid them from using bathrooms intended for the opposite sex.>>541606816Who brought up republicans here? OP asked about gun supporters. That's admittedly an odd way of phrasing things, since it's not even gun ownership at issue here, but self defense.
>>541607754No it won't. You're just a concern-trolling faggot trying to grandstand for a trigger-happy, histrionic man pretending to be a woman. Get wrecked.
that is a lot of accessories
>>541606739>two men get into an arguement that escalates into violence.
>>541606739https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7PJZaENcBjg&ra=m
> IT'S BLAM!
>>541606830This. Trannies are comorbid for all kinds of mental issues, they can't be trusted to be in their right minds.
>>541607754The thing about starting a confrontaion is that even if you find yourself in a situation where you are required to use deadly force to save your life you can still be charged.
>>541606816you're full of shit and a tranny>>541606739>>541607839the tranny started it. you can't intentionally start an altercation with a gun and then claim self defense. if the troon never followed the guys then there wouldn't have been a problem. the article troon walked over with his hand on the pistol after the guys were trying to leave and only got pushed after confronting the guys, with his hand on the gun. he was obviously looking to start a confrontation and then shoot some guys for not being trannies>>541606830>>541607972the insane should be allowed to own guns. they are humans and mentally ill people commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the general population. that said trannies aren't people, ergo the second amendment doesn't apply
>>541608018The bigot who yelled slurs across the street started the confrontation. Fighting words.
>>541607120>Their/theyIt's he/his, you fucking faggot. He's a man larping as a woman. Stop contributing to the delusional bullshit.
>>541607582Spot on post
>>541608210Oh, so NOW you care about pronouns?
>>541607582"it" isn't appropriate for talking about something with a gender, any more than it's appropriate to say "she" for something without a gender. Things like ships are called "she" because they are personified in certain contexts, not because English is a language where genders can be used arbitrarily or for ungendered nouns. The correct pronoun for use when talking about a shemale is "he" and the correct pronoun for use when talking about a cuntboy is "she". These are things with actual genders which reflect physical reality.>>541606830>>541607972The insane are still self owners who have human rights. They have a right to property, and thus the right to defend that property. If rights become contingent upon anything then they cease to be rights and become things the government just gives permission for.>>541608114>the tranny started it. you can't intentionally start an altercation with a gun and then claim self defenseThat doesn't actually have any bearing on the question I was answering. A tranny has the same right to self defense as anyone else. Whether this is an example of self defense was a question which I didn't address because I quite frankly didn't know and am more interested in the fundamental philosophical question of rights than I am in whether a trannies fantasy world happened to line up well enough with reality at that moment that what they did was genuinely defensive.
>>541607331>She was called slurshe was called slurs, he then got up and followed the guys hand on his gun and only got pushed after he followed, obviously trying to start an altercationyou can't start an altercation and then claim self defense.>>541607120this. but don't say>they/theirit's a due. it's he/him>>541607444>she>>541607801yeah chris could pass a nics check so long as the seller didn't care cause the seller can just decide to not sell the gun
>>541607582>>541608210>>541608302i dont care about your pronoun faggotry
>>541608140>Fighting words.define fighting words, cause calling someone an ugly troon is not fighting words>>541608269>That doesn't actually have any bearing on the question I was answering. A tranny has the same right to self defense as anyone else. Whether this is an example of self defense was a question which I didn't address because I quite frankly didn't know and am more interested in the fundamental philosophical question of rights than I am in whether a trannies fantasy world happened to line up well enough with reality at that moment that what they did was genuinely defensive.no, the question, in this case, is, did the tranny act in self defense? And the answer is no, he started the confrontation. Calling someone a troon is not illegal and it's not an assault. you can't argue you feared for your life or great bodily harm if you intentionally followed someone and got in his or her face and got pushed >>541608347faggot
>>541606739The only thing the tranny didn't do right is he didn't shoot. If you feel your life is in danger then you don't brandish, you shoot. He brandished, which means his life wasn't in danger
>>541608269want a gendered one?use the proper one: HEwant a neutral one?use the proper one: "IT"I'm fine with using either, reallyI'm not fine with lying, though>ships are called "she" because theyare desirable and caringlooney troons are called "it" because they're at best compost
>>541608427calling a black man the n word in real lifecalling a trans woman a tranny or a troon in real life
>>541608436looney troons lives are always in dangerbecause of their own complete madness
>>541606739I would need to see video because I’m not trusting the perception of someone who can’t even tell they will never be a woman.That said, if the man:>was unprovoked >was verbally “assaulting” first>physically assaulted first>gun only came out after being shoved to the groundThen ezpz: that’s picture-perfect self defense against an obvious nigger.My suspicion is that is not the case, thoughbeit
>>541608347you sure care enough to lie, pedofag
>>541608485It was basically a gay bashing in live daylight but somehow legal because it happened in a flyover racist shithole like wyoming where cows outpopulate humans.
>>541608018I would be like a trucker: in the wind.
>>541608436even if the tranny shot they wouldnt have self defense because they crossed a street to get in the guys face thats called being the aggressornow if that happened and after the tranny got pushed down they tried to run away and the guy chased after THEN tranny pulls the gun and shoots that would have actually been more likely self defense
>>541608544Too late faggot, someone posted the video. The tranny was the aggressor. Lock it up.
>>541608485scroll up the video has been postedsome guys were yelling "slurs"tranny gets mad and crosses the street towards them while holding hand on purse with gun insidegets in guys face and the guy pushes the tranny down and walks away the tranny pulls out the gun and racks a round in and lays on the ground pointing the gun at the guys back while he walks away
>>541606739security camera footage shows him sitting on a bench as the victim and a group of friends walk by. he alleges they called him tranny slurs. the security footage then shows him getting up off the bench and following them then starting a fight, getting pushed to the ground, then pulling out his gun and pointing at the back of the other man as he had already begun to walk away. ultimately he never fired a shot and put the gun away, but the other man filed charges against him anyway because he was obviously an insane and dangerous tranny who needed to be locked up.instigating a physical altercation and then brandishing a gun when you lose is not self defense nor covered by stand your ground laws.
>>541608436he approached the problem, he never thought his life was in danger>>541608455Gooding v. Wilson, 405 U.S. 518 (1972).>"White son of a bitch, I'll kill you."is not fighting wordscalling someone a nigger or a troon isn't fighting words and doesn't excuse an assault
>>541608455Fighting words are about as real as hate speech is, totally third world kike nonsense meant to destroy free speech.
>>541608576I don’t believe in duty to retreat but yeah being the aggressor means it’s not really self defense in my opinion. I could make the argument, but at the end of the day we don’t need people being needlessly aggressive while carrying guns in society.
>>541607331maybe if he was so afraid for his life he should have fled instead of instigating the entire event by following the man and starting a fight.
>>541608646I think I said the tranny should go to prison, but I changed my mind. Brandishing is too loosely defined to be a non-gay law.
>>541607444Doesn't look like self-defense to me, since the tranny approached the guy and initiated the physical confrontation. I'm not familiar with Wyoming law though, so IDK.
>>541608269>"it" isn't appropriate for talking about something with a genderif gender is a social construct then it's society who decides what your gender is, not you.
>>541606739Alright shill school's in let's take a look at the case.>Man pretending to be woman being ugly as shit in public.>Group of men insult her across the street.>Tranny goes across the street.>Gets shoved.>Pulls gun.>>541608140So the use of force has to be defensive in nature, and even as these laws are wrongly named but are for dum dums, STAND YOUR GROUND. Not running up and then standing it. This fact pattern is a charge in every jurisdiction in the country. and no it wouldn't change anything. If a random nigger tries to carjack me I can end them with impunity. If you think stand your ground means this is justified you just don't understand how the law works.
>>541608427>no, the question, in this case, isThe question OP asked, which I answered, is if trannies have the same right to self defense as sane people. The answer to that question is absolutely yes. The fact that this tranny wasn't acting in self defense doesn't change the fundamental truth of the fact that if the tranny *had* been acting in self defense, then it would be within their rights to do so, and if they *aren't* acting in self defense, then their being insane doesn't change anything in that context either.>>541608446>want a gendered one?No, I want to use words correctly, we are not engaging in poetic license. English is not a gendered language in the way French is, which I am certain you already know. It doesn't matter what you're "fine" with, in English it is not correct to describe something which has a definite gender as "it" any more than it is correct to say "he" or "she" to describe something that is not gendered, like a rock or a hat.>ships are called "she" because they are desirable and caringNo, they are called "she" because sailors literally personify their vessels. This is a tradition that goes back at least to ancient Rome, probably earlier. In some countries (Germany for example) the tradition is that they are personified as men, but the gendered language in regards to ships is not just a linguistic convention, it's because they are treated like people.
>>541608715Wyoming has no duty to retreat. She had the right to stand her ground.
>>541607331> Once the left is backReal and truthpilled.
>>541608692na its nothing to do with duty to retreat its more that the tranny specifically approached them and that invalidates stand your ground so then youd have to judge it by normal self defense as in if YOU are starting the conflict you dont get to shoot someone because they pushed you away
>>541607331Cool, lets rip the band aid off and settle things in the battlefield
>>541608140Slurs are not fighting words and that has routinely been tested in court. You will never be a woman and all those troon friends of yours well be locked up in facilities by the end of the decade. You're the byproduct of psychological warfare and you need to be put away from society. Considering you're particularly violent in support of the cause you probably will never see the light of day again. Too broken.
>>541608749wyoming doesnt have brandishing laws as far as i know and besides this wouldnt be a normal brandishing case it would be aggravated assault charge most likely since the tranny racked a round and was going to shoot them in the back brandishing would be if while the tranny was crossing the street it pulled the gun out and flashed it at thempointing a gun at someone is more than brandishing
>>541608770its not stand your ground if you are approaching the conflict
>>541608770Duty to retreat is an absurd concept. It's a complete perversion of the very concept of human rights. The idea that because there is no duty to retreat law that allows you to aggressively engage someone is as absurd as the duty to retreat laws themselves. You clearly don't even understand the concept of rights.
>>541608907>>541608918You lose this argument when you initiate the conflict with fighting words.
>>541608762>in English it is not correct to describe something which has a definite gender as "it"animals have clear genders, and they're called "it" in English, because they're not real personsso it's correct too to say "it" here too, because looney troons aren't real persons either>they are called "she" because sailors literally personify their vesselsthey could call them "he" as well, as you saidbut they call them "she" because boats are desirable and caringduh>In some countries (Germany for example) the tradition is that they are personified as menkrauts are shit, with boatstheir grandest success with boats were designed not to float, ffs>the gendered language in regards to ships is not just a linguistic convention, it's because they are treated like peoplewhich looney troons shouldn'tqed
>>541608770you do not have the right to follow someone and instigate a fight then claim self-defense/stand your ground. that's not how the law works.
>>541608485>>541608544if you read the article>tranny sitting outside>group comes by and calls him a troon>he grabs the bag with his gun in it and FOLLOWS them>says something to them>gets pushed>draws his gunhe went to the problem. this is no different than getting in an argument with someone, leaving, going to your car, getting your gun, returning to continue the argument and then pulling your gun. some nigger woman got jailed over doing that around the time of the zimmerman trial>>541608576this>>541608662that's not even what fighting words are either. fighting words alone, without action, are never justification to assault someone or act in self defense unless they involve a physical action like assault or cornering someone. even if you could call something fighting words, fighting words are a (bullshit) justification for the government to charge you with a crime. they, in and of themselves, are never an actual invitation to hit someone and call it self defense>>541608692it's not even a duty to retreat thing. the tranny went to the nuisance
>>541608140> Fighting words
>>541608954fighting words doesnt mean you get to shoot someone for saying themif the tranny crossed the street and got in a fist fight with the guy then sure but the tranny decided to pull a gun at someone just trying to leave the situation
>>541608715>>541608770>>541608749this has nothing to do with stand your ground or duty to retreat. the guys were on the other side of the street. no reasonable person would fear for his or her life or bodily harm. the tranny went to the nuisance. the tranny started the altercation>>541608751intentionally going to the nuisance when you're safe isn't self defense anywhere
>>541608140>Fighting words.uh you should make check this out:>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words>In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), even speech such as "Bury the niggers" and "Send the Jews back to Israel," was held to be protected speech under the First Amendment in a per curiam decision. In addition, despite the speech being broadcast on network television it did not direct to incite or produce imminent lawless action nor was it likely to produce such action.
>>541607692The tranny lied to the cops too>During her initial interview, Kelver told officers she had pulled a knife, rather than a gun, from her bag and said the firearm was in her car’s glovebox. The cops then got the video and charged trannyjanny. He also said "3 people were standing over me" but there's only 2 at that point and they never stopped walking away
>>541606739He created the conflict, troon. YWNBAW and he will catch a felony.
>>541609125so not only did he start the conflict, but he tried to lie repeatedly in an attempt to cover it up/shift blame/victimize himself. frankly he should be euthanized for this kind of behavior because he's an obvious threat to the public.
>>541608762>The question OP asked, which I answered,that's not the question of the case. the question of the case is >was the troon acting in self defenseno he wasn't.>>541608839slurs alone aren't fighting words but they can be fighting words. that woman arrested for saying nigger got arrested on fighting words. that said, fighting words are (a bullshit) justification for the police to arrest someone for speech, they are not a justification for fisticuffs or self defense unless part of another action >>541608918most self defense cases don't even involve stand your ground. duty to retreat just means if you CAN safely leave an altercation you must do so instead of using self defense. Like Zimmerman shooting Trayvon wasn't stand your ground because traytray was pinning him and zimmerman physically couldn't retreat.Kyle's shooting of 3 jews wasn't stand your ground because Kyle was trying to leave and the 3 jews were chasing him >>541608954fighting words doesn't mean you can shoot someone or punch them or whatever. fighting words are not an invitation for a regular citizen to engage in fisticuffs, self defense or shooting. fighting words simply allow the government to arrest someone for disturbing the peace. also calling someone a troon isn't fighting words
>>541608970>animals have clear genders, and they're called "it" in EnglishPets and other animals who you know the gender of are described using gendered language, similarly bulls are he and cows are she when talking about specific bulls and cows. Plurals don't have genders obviously.>they could call them "he" as well, as you saidI grew up on the coast and my father was a sailor, I don't think any English speaking sailor would think of their boat or ship as a man. It's hypothetically possible, but beside the point.>krauts are shit, with boatsSays the guy from a country which fielded armed hotels for a while. Just kidding I fucking love French pre-dreadnaughts.>which looney troons shouldn'tThey are insane, but they have genders and it's not proper English to say "it" or "they". I am not objecting to you doing so, I'm objecting to you saying it's proper to do so. The use of "they" for specific persons of indeterminate gender is perfectly acceptable, but not for specific people who you just don't want to say the gender of.
>>541609203Yosemite Sammy Tranny is cooked they threw the book at him>After investigators determined that she had drawn a loaded gun, prosecutors charged her with felony aggravated assault and battery, felony possession of a deadly weapon with unlawful intent, and misdemeanor interference with a peace officer.>Cowboy State Daily reported that the parties discussed a possible plea deal involving only misdemeanor charges, but prosecutors ultimately continued pursuing the felony charges.
While I do agree that anyone using hate speech should be punished, I do not agree with anyone owning a gun so I believe she should face a fine and the original assailants charged with hate speech.
>>541608970>>541609345you only call an animal "it" if you don't know the animals name or can't clearly determine an animal's sex. Like it's fine to call a cow "she" because by definition a cow is a girl. you may call a stray dog "it" but if you know a dog named Fred you call him "him"
>>541609381>I do not agree with anyone owning a guntranny>>541609115even if it was fighting words, which it isn't, fighting words alone only allow the government to arrest you for disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct they aren't an invitation physical conflict
>>541609329>that's not the question of the case.It's the question OP asked. OP specifically said "Should trans folx have the same rights to self defense as cishets?", which is retard speak for "do trannies have the same right to self defense as sane people". I was answering OP's question, you're getting mad at me for not answering a totally different question.>>541609407Indeed.
>>541609345>not for specific people who you just don't want to say the gender ofI agree about "they", but for another reasonusing plural to designate what's singular is an abominationusing "it" for looney troons is also acceptable because it makes them kvetch
>>541608114Nah, the nra is dogshit. They've done absolutely fuck all for gun owners for decades. Literally helped write the NFA
>>541606739how would this ruling apply to hrt femboys
>>541608455Juste, fermes ta gueule, pedophile minable échappé de reddit.
>>541607444> this town ain’t big enough for the two of us partner I don’t get it. What’s the point of identifying as a chick if you’re still going to dress like Wyatt Earp and throw your toxic masculinity around like this hombre?>>541608140Stand your ground <> cross the street with your hand on your holster to confront someone who talked mean to you. This is Chud the Nigger tier behavior.
>>541608770>SheLMAO That's not what "her" mirror shows
>>541609489>using plural to designate what's singular is an abominationUsing "they" as a singular pronoun for people of indeterminate gender has been around since at least Chaucer. So whether you like it or not it's definitely long standing in the English language.>using "it" for looney troons is also acceptable because it makes them kvetchWell if you're doing it to piss them off, fine, although I find that just calling them by their actual gender makes them kvetch even harder. I was arguing with you saying that it was the correct pronoun, not with whether it was lulzy.>>541609508>Literally helped write the NFAI can't believe I'm defending the NRA, but the NRA was trying to make the NFA not pass, they thought they were adding poison pills to the bill. They underestimated the government's hatred of freedom. It was stupid but it wasn't as malicious as people tend to think.
>>541608974>>541609012>>541609013>>541609030>>541609082Hate speech is violence, she had a right to protect herself and she has a right to exist.
>>541609508>>541609619the NRA got handguns taken out of the NFA. That was also in fucking 1934. They had their revolt in Cincinnati and changed to a guns rights group in the 1970s. They got us the FOPA. McDonald Vs Chicago, Bruen and they just got NJ's awb nuked. so they got 2 of the 3 biggest 2A court victories and anti gun troons say they do nothing more gun laws have been successfully challenged and overturned post bruen than pre bruen and bruen was literally the NRA
>>541609619>it's definitely long standing in the English languageyou Mutts have a tradition of using such things as "different than", and it's still a most vile abomination>I find that just calling them by their actual gender makes them kvetch even hardernot if you use that as a combostart calling them "he"then when they kvetch, say>OK, fine: I'll call you "it", because it's a neutral pronounthat, really makes them kvetch harder
>>541609674They never even said anything about the tranny. They walked passed the bar and said "fuck the Crowbar that fag bar should close down" then the tranny yelled at them and they said 'you heard what I said'That's not even hate speech here, you lost tranny
>>541609674hate speech literally isn't real. you almost had an argument with >muh fighting wordsbecause that is a real thing. but hate speech isn't Matal v. Tam, 582 U.S. 218 (2017)the First Amendment has no hate speech exception
>>541609751>you Muttsnigger you live in a shitskin country that invented blacked
>>541606739It's not self defense when you are the aggressor - not hurt feelings does not give you the right to draw a gun on someone nor does it count as self defense
>>541609783>>541609674they literally could have said >go 41% yourself trannyand that probably wouldn't have risen to the level of fighting words and even if it did fighting words aren't justification for self defense there is no hate speech exception to the 1st amendment and >"fuck the Crowbar that fag bar should close down" could never ever be considered fighting words
>>541606739This is not about gun rights though, this is about FAFO; picking a fight to pretend you were acting in self-defense and paying the price for that.
>>541608114>mentally ill people commit violent crimes at a lower rate than the general populationAre you retarded? Criminals are mentally ill.
>>541609937Tranny is a serial liar anyway and now claiming that simple push has ruined it's back and bulging discs. Maybe don't wear cosplay boots with heels while inebriated.This troon has lied about everything and talked way too much to the media about details of the case every one of them inconsistent. Slam dunk felony case of the tranny's own making and this is srs time the tranny is going down for 5 years minimum in the state pen for aggravated enhancements
>>541610044no, criminals are niggershttps://psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/appi.books.9781615371099>>541610159exactly
>>541609747I don't like the NRA because it's not advocating for gun owners. It's advocating for the cartel of gun manufacturers in the US. I'm opposed to all types of progressive business cartels since I think that they use government intervention to allow them to reduce production and quality while increasing prices.>>541609751>you Mutts have a tradition of using such things as "different than", and it's still a most vile abominationEnglish is a vile abomination of a language. Doesn't change the fact that using plural pronouns to describe specific people of indeterminate gender is "proper" English. If you're going to be a mutt abomination, at least do it properly.>start calling them "he">then when they kvetch, say>OK, fine: I'll call you "it", because it's a neutral pronoun>that, really makes them kvetch harderWhen they kvetch I just say "naw dude" or "hey man chill out" or some other gendered slang. The fact that I'm being casual about it drives home that I'm not taking their stupid word games seriously at all. Being friendly about it really rubs the salt in their wounds. Like "hey dude, so are you a shemale, a tranny, or a queen?" "hey I was just asking man, what's your problem?" "bruh, I don't see why you're mad at me about that". At no point do I ever even acknowledge the idea that they could somehow magically have a woman's soul or something, nor do I accept the framing that what I'm saying is bad to ask. I'm just trying to make polite conversation, they're the crazy faggot.
Those who advocate for rights for some will often find themselves without those rights themselves, that's all that can be said on the matter
>>541607055the argument doesnt need to go that farstand your ground law is literally about defending yourself in the presence of lethal force to you or someone near youslurs, however tasteful they might be, are not a threat to one's lifeyou have to be a deranged tranny to believe it applies
Hahaha it gets way worse https://cowboystatedaily.com/2026/08/26/trans-protestor-has-self-defense-hearing-over-drawing-gun-in-laramie-street/>Kelver also told police repeatedly, and adamantly, that night that it wasn’t a gun drawn, but a knife. >Police never found a knife, officers testified Wednesday. They did find the gun in Kelver’s satchel after Kelver’s employer alerted them to it, and Kelver let an officer retrieve it, according to body camera video and court testimony. Repeatedly lied! You can't claim self defense if you lie now no jury on earth will believe anything you say>The defendant said giving police incorrect claims about pulling a knife stemmed from a wave of post-traumatic stress disorder from which Kelver was already suffering. Riiiiiight sure
>>541607900Severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer. I will never forget mitch
>>541610204>I don't like the NRA because it's not advocating for gun owners. It's advocating for the cartel of gun manufacturers in the US.McDonald v. Chicago incorporated the 2nd amendment against the states and said states can't ban handguns or require safe storagethat's not advocating for you?the FOPA says that cuckstates can't arrest you for having an "assault weapon" for simply driving through, that's not advocating for you?Bruen said every state must issue CCW licenses that's not advocating for you?getting rid of NJ's awb and mag ban isn't advocating for you?
>>541610641>McDonald v. Chicago incorporated the 2nd amendment against the states and said states can't ban handguns or require safe storage>that's not advocating for you?It's incidental. They'll never challenge import bans or try to defend the second amendment when it comes to the vast majority of weapons (the NRA wouldn't try to get rocket launchers or hand grenades taken off the NFA, and don't say that's because they're only about rifles, they advocate for pistols and shotguns all the time). They are in the business of protecting their cartel, so of course they don't want the government making their business illegal, but they also aren't going to lift a finger if it allows cheaper competition to undercut them.
>>541606739Shooting at his feet, or even just showing off the gun would have been enough.
>>541610513The specifics of any case don't matter to the fallacious argument. No real case is even needed, only a hypothetical at most; you might remember hearing some lines like>If Kyle Rittenhouse were black, he'd have been shot/convicted/etc.The point isn't about whether or not a certain law applies in certain circumstances, it's simply that you're a racist/sexist/transphobe/whatever and you don't deserve the freedom you have.That's it. Don't play into their stupid game. It's nothing but propaganda and they don't give a damn what you have to say about anything.
Perjury galore>Kelver testified Wednesday that Durham had verbally threatened to harm Kelver just before the incident. >Kelver had not told police about those alleged verbal threats the night of the incidentJudges hate lying the tranny will get the full max sentence if Yosemite Trans tries this during the regular trial
>>541610871>It's incidental.Heller, McDonald and Bruen are the 3 most important 2A court cases and the NRA was in on 2 of the 3> They'll never challenge import banson what grounds/standing?> or try to defend the second amendment when it comes to the vast majority of weapons (the NRA wouldn't try to get rocket launchers or hand grenades taken off the NFA, and don't say that's because they're only about rifles, they advocate for pistols and shotguns all the time).they got a court victory that overturned NJ's 36 year old AWB and mag ban>They are in the business of protecting their cartel, so of course they don't want the government making their business illegal, but they also aren't going to lift a finger if it allows cheaper competition to undercut them.you can't really get rid of the import bans via court case. there is no injury, standing or grounds. it would need to be legislative.
>>541606830“shall not fucking be infringed”. You can build a completely functioning shotgun out of your plumbing, so goy control doesnt even work.
>>541611097>Heller, McDonald and Bruen are the 3 most important 2A court cases and the NRA was in on 2 of the 3It's not incidental to their winning cases, it's incidental to *my* point. My point is that they don't care about the right to bear arms. Their goal is to protect their cartel, and obviously fighting for consumer 2A rights in certain limited circumstances lines up with that, since they need a customer base to have a business. If the government promised to just buy all the guns they could make at double market price, they'd agree to ban all civilian gun sales immediately.>on what grounds/standing?Man I'm now a lawyer, I don't understand that shit. They've got a massive lobbying apparatus, so it's not like legislation is outside their reach. They'd never use their lobbying apparatus to try to get rid of import bans though, even if it was easy. In fact they would want them expanded.
>>541611097>they got a court victory that overturned NJ's 36 year old AWB and mag banoops, forgot to address this. AWBs and mag bans getting overturned expands the market for things their cartel already produces. That's why I specifically brought up things which are related to their field of activism but not something they'd want to get deregulated since it'd compete with them. They don't even try to fight the hughes amendment, at least not much.
>>541606739Tranny is fucked. You can't chase after people who called you names, then pull out a gun and claim self defense. Its also illegal for that Tranny to carry a gun inside a bar.>According to court testimony, Kelver was sitting on a bench outside the bar on September 13 when Durham and a small group of friends shouted derogatory slurs. Surveillance video shows that she then followed the group across the street before approaching Durham with a hand on her satchel, according to the Laramie Boomerang. The video then shows Durham shoving her to the ground before beginning to walk away.>Kelver, while still on her back, allegedly pulled out a .380-caliber semiautomatic handgun, racked it, and pointed it at Durham. She put the gun away after Durham and his group walked away, then returned to her job at the Crowbar & Grille, according to the prosecution.
>>541606830this
>>541606739>Should trans folx have the same rights to self defense as cishets?They already do. What they don't have is the special right to force everyone else to cater to their delusions, which is what tends to set them off and cause them to go around murdering people. It's not "self defense" if all someone did was "misgender" you.
>>541606739>Prosecutors argue that she started it. So it's not a matter of stand your ground, it's proving you didn't murder a man in cold blood.
>>541606816>the NRA which lobbies for gun restrictionsHilariously and sadly, this is actually true.The NRA was and probably still is "controlled opposition" that has helped to write pretty much every gun law that has come into existence since the 1940s. They also actively sabotage efforts by actual gun rights groups to repeal or even improve such laws.Fun fact: the reason the core Second Amendment case is named "Heller v. District of Columbia" is because the NRA attempted to get the lawsuit, which was being run by the Institute of Justice (IJ) thrown out of court for "lack of standing", and succeeded with the original lead plaintiff who was named Parker. The NRA's wanna-be replacement lawsuit was also completely thrown out of court for, you guessed it, lack of standing.Then they tried to get the Parker/Heller case mooted by having D.C. change its rules at the last minute, and when the city balked they tried to get Congress (via Senator Orrin Hatch) to force the change.After all of that failed and IJ and Heller won, for the next lawsuit that forced the Supreme Court to apply the Heller ruling to the states, the NRA again repeatedly tried to sabotage the case, then merged their case with the leading case, then forced their way into the oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court, then wasted their oral argument time on basic caselaw that was more than adequately covered in the briefs that had already been filed, then declared that they were the real winners of the whole thing when all they'd done was waste everyone's time on foundational drivel. Alan Gura, who was the actual lead plaintiff's lawyer, was trying to use oral arguments to not only get Heller applied to the states but also to expunge a century-and-a-third-old bullshit ruling that has been a stain on the legal landscape which forced us to jump through all these hoops to get the government to acknowledge that the Second Amendment meant something.
>>541610925both would have been crimes>>541611387>. If the government promised to just buy all the guns they could make at double market price, they'd agree to ban all civilian gun sales immediately.NRA members are the public, not the corpos. that's the NSSF>>541611387>Man I'm now a lawyer, I don't understand that shit.exactly Article I section 8 clause 3>The Congress shall have Power To...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations,...the import ban is unfortunately not any different than the chicken tax on light trucks or the tariff on chinese EVs. Trump should sign an EO removing everything from the import ban, but there's no way the NRA can get 60 senators to nuke the import ban>>541611467>They don't even try to fight the hughes amendment, at least not much.because it didn't affect that many people at the time and they felt the other gains in the FOPA of 1986 were enough to swallow the poison pill
>>541611097>Heller, McDonald and Bruen are the 3 most important 2A court cases and the NRA was in on 2 of the 3You're apparently a retarded Fudd who knows absolutely nothing about how the NRA kept trying to sabotage everyone else's lawsuits.See >>541612160 The NRA actively tried to stop the IJ from pursuing the Heller (formerly Parker) case because they were really really sure that it would end their fundraising grift, er, I mean that the IJ couldn't possibly win.Then the NRA tried to sabotage McDonald.Then the NRA fucked things up with multiple cases before Bruen.I'm not even getting into the NRA sabotaging pro-gun candidates in the 1980s and 1990s in order to curry favor with anti-gun incumbents like Henry Hyde, who was a critical deciding vote in passing the 1994 AWB. Or how when the Brady Act passed, the NRA forced the "instant check" nonsense into the reconciliation bill, thus creating "a backdoor registration database" which they began using for their fundraising grift just a couple of months after demanding that it be created.If you paid any attention to anything other than the NRA's begging letters, you'd realize they were the ones behind all the gun laws you hate.
>>541612362>>541612160you are retarded. Bruen was the NRA and the NJ state AWB and mag ban cases were the NRA
>>541606830>>541607972>>541611680Yeah, you fat retards are insane thinking you can sit on your ass and politically influence the lives of others with your dog shit ideas.As the other guy said, shall not be infringed means just that.I get a gun, you get a gun, trannies get a gun, niggers get a gun.Don't like it?Come have a gun fight, we're waiting to literally blow your head off.
>>541612191I think we're coming at this from different perspectives. I'm a libertarian and I hate the government on principle while you are probably a republican of some stripe and just want the government to be less awful. So you look at the NRA trying to make the government a little less shitty and you see improvement. I see them trying to carve out their own turf in the state apparatus instead of opposing the whole thing.
>>541606830>The insane should not be permitted to own a gun.Yeah go with that argument bro, it will be funny when some jew shrink label you insane for not supporting israel enough
>>541613113You have israel derangement syndrome.
>>541612990I think they're overly cautious, but rome wasn't built in a day and we've seen more gains in gun rights since 2008 and more so since 2020 than we had seen in the decades prior just look at the niggers with the civil rights shit. getting your rights back from an antagonistic government isn't fast
>>541613148Your president is ending speeches with god bless israel and god bless america. Your country is fighting countless wars for themYour whole country has israel derangement syndrome
>>541606739Being trans should be a felony, so this person shouldn't have a gun. Checkmate.
>>541607331>when leftists take power, they will prepare to have us all killedNow you have figured out why democracy and in particular universal suffrage are evil and need to be destroyed.
>>541613273tRump's DoJ is suing to give felons the right to have guns.
>>541613400basedI voted for this
I'm gonna be the odd one out and say I don't think the tranny did anything wrong even if it's not legal Self defense laws are too cucked and should be expanded to include verbal harassment in public and avoidable situationsToo many people acting like complete fucking niggers doing "i'm not touching you" fuck fuck games these days protected by shitty laws and frankly /pol/ has very self serving double standards rather than any real principles or sense of fairness. I get you guys think that people you don't like should be able to openly be harassed and ostrasized without recourse because they're ontologically evil for existing but I don't think the tranny did anything wrongIronically its a kind of legalistic anarcho tyranny that protects assholes that start shit with strangers and they are spiritually niggers
>>541607444checking angel numericals. the video settles it, the "assailants" had already left and he follow them and shoots one? that murder.
>>541613752It's a troon, therefore it is guilty. Laws are not made to privilege the evil freak seeking to destroy us, they are made to privilege the upstanding citizen working hard to protect and improve his community (and his honoured guests). Troons should all rot as homeless under the bridge.
>>541613752>Self defense laws are too cucked and should be expanded to include verbal harassment in public and avoidable situationsliterally all that happened was that a group of guys said >Wow that faggot bar should be closed downand the tranny went to shoot them over it. that's the standard you want?
