Why does the system let people like Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs, Tucker, expose the truth for years about the US policy and weaknesses?Some people got into trouble, getting blacklisted, for saying 1/10th of what he says.And he's been doing this for decades...
>>541616738You do comprehend that western democracies value freedom of thought? You are aware that US policy, especially foreign policy, is always debated? Currently we are in a phase similar to that of the korean war when it comes to debating the US role in the world. There is no secret organization that will murder people for discussing sensitive topics in the west, you can even talk details about bioengineering viruses without getting smoked. So what makes you think the discussion of foreign policy objectives would provoke the powers that be?Freedom to engage in rigorous discussion is what makes the western world successful.
>>541616871>You do comprehend that western democracies value freedom of thought?Are you dumb or do you really believe in this bullshit?There's no freedom of speech in most of Europe (including the UK).
>>541616952>There's no freedom of speech in most of Europe (including the UK).There absolutely is. I engage in debate on numerous topics with politicians and academics regularly. I watch the oslo freedom forum every year to get an idea of what it is like to not be able to. What you are caught up in is a mass psychosis about immigration and how to engage in debate about it, the lowest common denominator of retards are unable to grasp nuances or be a productive member of a given debate, the few laws that define speech is trying to raise the ceiling. You can easily be a racist and engage in debate in the west, just avoid sounding like a crazy person about to murder someone.
>>541616738controlled opposition
i pooped my pants
>>541617119Shitty strawman. Who talked about immigration?In Europe and some US states (ie Florida), you get legal troubles for criticizing Israel, its power structure in the West and the ongoing genocide they are committing in Gaza.
>>541616738Lmao retard what even does he say that could be considered dangerous? AIPAC buying politicians? Everyone knows that.USA using Ukrainians as a proxy for their war? Everyone knows that too.He is still a good shabbos guy moaning and bitching about the holocaust, Hitler, nationalism, etc. just like any "based" anglo scum
>>541616871Mearsheimer and Sachs have far too much diplomatic clout and public cred to ever go after in any meaningful way, it'd do more harm than good.Tucker is free game because Trump personally dislikes him and he has bad blood with Fox.There are others like Scott Ritter who gets actively harassed by feds every now and then, they tried very hard to pin him as a Russian spy like a year ago at the urging of the Ukrainian government.There's also that head of counter terrorism that resigned over jewjewcum that is attacked often despite him trying his best to shift blame away from Trump.
Zionist Jew YouTuber: "Claiming Jews were behind Iraq War is 'BLOOD LIBEL.'"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUA2Sy3jAZE&t=6013s(1:40:13)>"oy vey goyim, let us lie and deceive the public and give us the oil and let us establish a rothschild bank"They aren't even making an effort to hide it anymore.Total neocon death.PNAC was a terrorist group — “NEW PEARL HARBOR” = 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOBNeoconservatism = Jewish supremacyThe Straussian cabal must be exposed.
It has to be this >>541617190I notice all 3 mentioned in OP use "collective guilt" rhetoric, non-stop.>but WE invaded Iraq>WE were the ones who provoked the russians!>WE stole millions from poor countries all over the globeNigger, "we" didn't do any of that shit. YOU did!
>>541617309John Kiriakou as wellThe thing this guy is apparently allowed to say make zero sense.Snowden and Julian Assange got their life fucked for less than that.
>>541616738What I don't understand is how he's a bernie sanders supporter. >write book about how the jews fuck america over>vote for a fucking jew, twice.
>>541616738Because what they say is basically "water is wet".
>>541616871>>541616952The truth is OBVIOUSLY somewhere in between. We don't always value freedom of thought. We don't always crack down on speech. It's not black and white.
>>541617398Thanks, Pork
>>541617263Consequences are there if i speak ill of Taylor Swift... And israel. The idea that a government funded organization like the CIA or NSA will destroy your life for speaking ill of either is wrong.You equate the private consequences with that of the public. You take the good with the bad when expressing ideas. There are very few things that will land you in jail. Israel and America is a funny one, but it is states trying their best to impose speech laws without actually doing it. They would violate the constitution if they did, and would be struck down by the Supreme Court. Every European country differs in hate speech laws, but as far as freedom of thought and freedom of speech go, we are about as good as it gets. Repressive societies like China and Russia will see you killed for speaking ill of state policy.Give a topic like Tiananmen Square for China, which would automatically land you in jail or worse in the Western world. Its difficult because if such a topic existed there are millions of people that would challenge it.
>>541617390I've never seen Kiriakou say anything no one else would that wasn't purely anecdotal, he's just a good storyteller and bullshitter like any decently experienced glowie.He did his time and can't do much more damage, especially after this administration is out.
>>541616738jews functioned as both libertarians and communists. It's about controlling from both sides. You have neo-liberals and neo-conservatives. It's just a show for the goy cattle and boomers were their victims. All trying to keep Whites from organizing as National Socialists again. A system that understood the JQ and wished to protect its people from the harm that jews brought.
>>541617390https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kEi5Mx6KfI
>>541617390Assange facilitated leaking classified information in bulk; Snowden stole intellectual property from an intelligence agency and published it. Their beef with the intelligence agencies is not about speech; it's about information and secrecy laws. This debate is one of the best we got, since secrecy laws are inherently anti-democratic but also essential to keep our war fighting abilites.
more like how does he get away with beibg wrong all the time? he's been saying ukraine will collapse tomorrow for years
>>541616871>freedom of thoughtuntil they get power and close thought down
>>541617521Nobody could have predicted that all the nato countries would commit economic and military suicide to keep propping up ukraine.
>>541617444oink oink, checked
>>541617466This why you can only post properly on Saturdays, but still expect your thread to be dropped to the bottom. Jews are here and are militarized with Western stollen tech, but not on Saturdays.
>>541617119>you can have Freedom of Speech within boundariesit isn't a freedom is it? it is a qualified right.
>>541617561>>541617646bots, but sadly our worthless governments are co-opted too.
>>541617561The almost universal incompetence and lack of strategic objectivism in western leadership really fucked with half of my conspiracy theories.
>>541616738people that work at universities get immunity, there are legal consequences if they banned them, so its the only reason why they can say what others get banned for even if its obvious
>>541616738Because they're liberal, so they aren't a threat. It's better for it to come from them than others.
>>541617667>Western civilization has qualified right of speech. Technically true. By this definition there are 0 countries with freedom of speech. Even in America. The freedom to threaten someone or incite violence is denied. But most people assume it's for the best. Some disagree.
>>541616871>You are aware that US policy, especially foreign policy, is always debatedis it the same eglin faggots who has used the past 15 years trying to spoil and distrupt debate online? XD
>>541618160>https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/If you want to talk propaganda and the reasons for it im all for it, since i fundamentally disagree with a lot of the PSYOP programs ran out of the states and elsewhere. Even if they muddy the waters the waters still exist.
They are limited hangouts.There are first-order limited hangouts. These concern themselves only with complaining and whining. They will hold up examples of events and express something that amounts to "I don't like this, it's bad, and it makes me feel bad/angry". These are your basic Twatter accounts like RadioGenoa, talking heads like Tucker, Faggotgold and the rest.Then there are second-order limit hangouts. These are targeted at the audience who consider themselves more sophisticated. Their tactic is to offer explanation, but stay safely in the realm of mechanistic explanation. They will explain the chain of cause and effect that produced such and such an outcome. It concerns only the past, but never the future. these are your Mearsheimers, Sachs, Noam Chomsky for the lefties, etc.Actual truth tellers will be defined by the fact that they go further into teleological explanation; they are concerned with final causes, the future purposes, goals and conditions that the elite seek to attain via the events happening in the world, which are simply means to some other end. They attempt speculation via deduction, or will outright spill the beans on what the elite have told them.These are your Whitney Webbs, Catherine Austin Fitts, David Ickes, etc. Notice this latter category is never shilled anywhere. The only one of note is Jiang, and observe the smear campaign against him whenever he appears anywhere.
He represents the WASP faction in America, who still wield some power despite losing such of it to the jews.
>>541616871>you can even talk details about bioengineering viruses without getting smoked.Of course you can discuss such things, because doing so validates the premises that (1) viruses exist and (2) "bioengineering viruses" is a real thing and (3) those in power have this powerful thing at their disposal (ooh let's fear them).If you dare to drill deeper and start to discuss and doubt the premises rather than the proposition, that's when the trouble begins.
>>541617788it is burgers way, burgers have foundation to not allow anyone to tyrannize them, that is what their place is all about although their friends and insider treacherous cunts are working hard to remove that>>541616871>You do comprehend that western democracies value freedom of thoughtyes totally for real sure world has observed that very well since 2020 and eugenics activity since then
>>541616871Deny the holocaust publicly now.
>>541618529WASP becoming less powerful than Christian Zionists have been the worst thing to happen to the US.Are non zionist WASP even close to a political force these days?
>>541617390Assange was obviously set up an example "pour encourager les autres", to discourage any other journalists (which is all he was) from doing anything similar.Censorship comes in two forms: the first is the old method of trying to hide, suppress or obscure information. The second is the new method of not attempting to hide anything, but instead flooding the zone with so much noise, that it's impossible to find the signal.Assange was a victim of the old style censorship, when evidently they believed it still worked.They've since switched to the second method. Things are no longer scrubbed from the public domain, the public simply cannot find them in amongst the mountain of junk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1YQ7JEO6HQ
>>541617335>george sorosthat's david rockefellerat least get it right you faggot
>>541619121zerobush jr threw away all the wasp cachei saw this as a new york state wasp that grew up going to country clubs.the ethnic whites now have all the wasps power
>>541619433The basic argument is correct. PNAC orchestrated 9/11.
>>541619086legal in Norway
>>541616738If you go too far into schizo territory, you do get silenced and de-platformed like Alex Jones or Stefan Molyneux.But if you have academic and/or journalist credentials like the guys you mentioned, it becomes more difficult to censor you. Any attempt at silencing you would backfire with a kind of Streisand Effect. The standard procedure to deal with competent people who expose inconvenient truths is to ignore them, to pretend they do not exist. This has been especially the case with John Mearsheimer, who has been sort of ostracized in academia since publishing The Israel Lobby. I think Norman Finkelstein had it even worse and he had his tenure denied at some university because of pressure from Alan Dershowitz and other Zionists.Lesser known people like Richard Werner have been ignored by the mainstream media even more. He has a very interesting theory concerning the Japanese financial crisis of the late 1980s, and he also seems to have evidence to support it. He was a rock-star economist in Japan for quite some time owing to his role in uncovering the conspiracy behind the financial crisis, but the West mostly ignored him for obvious reasons. I think Tucker Carlson interviewed him some time ago.Bottom line is that you cannot repress truth too hard and viciously if you want to keep up the appearance of a "free society". Hence the best way to deal with truth-teller is usually to ignore them and encourage the public to waste time with mindless entertainment produced by Hollywood instead.
>>541617386You voted for it stfu
>>541619520molymeme didn't even go schizo he had the most lukewarm takes and made one tweet criticizing jews and poof gone. Instead of showing some backbone and doubling down on the JQ like he should have done he cucked out and became irrelevant.
>>541619485what argument?the bottom row of that image are the only ones that matter in regard to pnacthe rest is discreditable schizo nonsense and uses the wrong photo for soroshow can you expect anyone to take you seriously
>>541616738>Get awayRead what were the repercussions of publishing certiang book in colab with Stephen Walt...
>>541618312Why do you think Jiang talks about the future but others don't ?If it's about the Iran war Mersheimer talked about it in advance as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUP-VHu6GV4
>>541618529He's a Jew, fool
>>541619835Or you can stop being a cryptic homosexual and just tell us
>>541619891>hurr durr everyone with a german name is jewish
>>541616738Controlled opposition
>>541616738comtrolled opposition. very useful for deniability (not all X is Y), hedging, tagging and managing dissent.
>>541620435Well imagine that, he's not a JewHe has those squinty rat eyes so I thought he was a Jew
>>541617390I don’t trust Kiriakou one bit, for all we know he was torturer number 1 clamping jumper cables onto people’s balls until they wanted to throw him under the bus for it. Why people take someone who’s entire career was explicitly centered around lying and betrayal seriously is beyond me
>>541619879I mean that Jiang extends much further into the future, along the chain of means and ends. He speculates that the war is simply a means to an end which is eschatological. Well, that may or may not be true, but at least it's a more expansive explanation that geopolitics.Mearsheimer is like most academics, he refuses to step outside his wheelhouse.If you ask him say, why Israel wants to destroy, his answer as a geopolitics expert will be "national security". A lot of geopolitics experts will cuck and simply stop there, and conclude national security is an end in and of itself. The slightly more ambitious ones will extend the reasoning further and claim that national security is a means to an end; the end being something nebulous like "the well-being of it citizens" or "the preservation of its values". However, not a single one will go beyond that.(1. Is there a single citizen of any state today who considered themselves "being well" and 2. is any state preserving its values??? Neither of these outcomes is being achieved to any degree, and therefore we can conclude neither are the true ends of statecraft in the modern world)
>>541616738Don't know enough about Tucker but Mearsheimer and Sachs criticize the system from the left. Ostensible anti-war is a traditional position of american left since Korea and Vietnam and Sachs is basically economist leftist as well (hurr durr "free" gaberment services for the win). They're as mainstream as you can get; every freaking academician does the same and is being by the state for that.
>>541616871>There is no secret organization that will murder people for discussing sensitive topics in the west,eh....
>>541620661>comtrolled oppositionMearsheimer, COMtrolled opposition. Nice try, Diksheet Sukdheep. These are the people Mossad is outsourcing their pysops to.
>>541616871Håkan doesn't believe lethal assassinations occur, but will he be able to digest political assassinations such as Jacques Baud? PicrelIf you have a ground to stand on, not a random schizo, and go against the narrative, you'll get destroyed. He's still battling courts and its pretty much pointless. Sure, you can take legal action, but by design it'll just get buried and never reach surface.
>>541616738Mearsheimer is an idiot who's wrong about everything
>>541616871Sach has been straight up been saying the CIA killed JFK, its amazing.
>>541624106Furthermore, he's a Swizz citizen, a former Swiss army colonel and strategic analyst specializing in intelligence, counterterrorism, and Eastern European affairs. And he gets politically assassinated for going against EU's ridiculous propaganda. No wonder Put- Voldemort find there's no diplomatic solution to this shit show. I swear, Von der Leyen is like Thanos and Ukraine's like Super Mario just trying to save Britney Spears.Anyone got the pepe gif where he holds a cross and trembles, with a tear of desperation iirc.
>>541616738Do people really think that realpolitik is anti-establishment in 2026?
Mearsheimer then:>Russia won't invade UkraineMearsheimer now:>Russia won't invade the Baltics
>>541624365But not Israel, right
>>541616738how the author of "the israel lobby" gets away with it bamboozle me too desu.his analysis are really good for anyone interested in geopolitics btw
>>541624789>his analysis are really good for anyone interested in geopolitics btwkekif you ignore every time he's wrong then he's actually right sometimes!
>>541616871>western democracies value freedom of thoughtLol. You mean the thought the state agrees with. Try denying the holocaust in Germany.
>>541624106Also Hüseyin Doğru>Inb4 roachHe's solely a German citizen so they actually falsified the circumstances, it's 1984 all the way.
>>541616738Can you specify? He's an American imperialist of the old-school political realist thought which kind of fell out of favor when their premise of Soviet being around forever kind of went up in smoke. The whole Liberal Fukushima "End of History" fantasy went up in smoke gradually which is why people kind of turn to him when he talks about Russia and China as rising empires that need to be met as such and not as willing servants of some liberal rules based order that doesn't respect their "due" influence.I haven't seen him say anything offensive. Yes, he wants to abandon Israel but it's from a purely strategic perspective and he mostly just comments on shit around the world. Part of why he's so popular is because he predict Russia's Crimean / Ukrainian attack but also that China and Russia loves him because he believes in scaling down USA's empire to establish more stable boundaries to give those powers more space.
>>541624662>>Russia won't invade UkraineGot a source on that, bucko. I'd like to watch that one. Also, doesn't it get pretty murky considering it was a legit civil war (by US ISIS Syria/Libya/Iraq standards), until Putler decided that's far enough and decided to intervene?
>>541616738Real power means a buffon like Tucker shouldn't know your evil plans
>>541624845ukraine is already wrecked nafo, troon. soon to be jeeted into Oblivion
>>541624919>Hüseyin DoğruNever heard of him, thanks.
>>541616738they don't disagree with the system on what is most important
>>541624662>John Mearsheimer made a highly prescient prediction in 1993 that Russia would eventually attempt to invade and conquer Ukraine.This fucker said Ukraine should've kept nukes back in the 90's because it was inevitable Russia would invade them.Mearsheimer is a bit of a pro-Russian cocksucker on some points but just seem like it's him being a bit of a realist. I don't buy Russia is afraid of NATO as much as I think they want to reclaim as much territory they can before it gets to safety.
>>541625214mearsheimer got the issue that he dismisses russian retarded thuggishness and applies his own sphere of influence doctrine unilaterallythat is why he reads them wrong, he too didn't pay enough attention and thinks russia invaded ukraine over NATO expansion not due to planned offensive actions against crimea and the inability of the russians to hold ithe operates from highly theoretical frameworks, low granular information and most of all doesn't factor in motivations and charactergeopolitics is about (motivations, then needs and then means) <= together they form the mechanicshow is ukraine different from lets say georgia,chechnya or the actions during the cold warthe ukraine thing is bog standard russian imperialism, sending tanks into a capital of their near abroad to realign the government with theirsI was for NATO eastward expansion but not ukraine. Him wanting to throw all of eastern europe in unnatural fashion to the russian influence sphere is crazy.
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>>541625110Yeah, you will only find about him on some semi obscure sites, msm like Reuters pretty much ignores it or justifies it.Watch Neutrality Studies, it's a pretty good podcast and he did a few interviews there.Also Natalie Yamb, her case is similar.Francesca Albanese and two ICC judges also sanctioned by America, the situation is not as severe but still.All that is probably a tip of an iceberg since msm doesn't report on it.
>>541625501Yeah it's weird. Also the whole NATO expansion shit is so inflamed from Russian revisionism. This one USA diplomat off the record said to the Soviet guy if there was reunification they wouldn't expand eastward in Germany with bases and somehow this became this big promise that extended to all countries in Eastern Europe. I don't fault Russia for trying to bluff like they are still Soviet and should get the same privileges back but that's how you should treat it. They are threatened by NATO expanding because it means they lose the capability to invade and subdue the nations and thus their long term plans change.Ukraine was a case where the nation wanted both friendly status with Russia but also economic development with the west which was a setup to fail unless they had some serious deterrent. Russia suddenly strongarming their puppet in power to sign that Customs Union with Russia really rushed the entire process. Felt like the west was being very reactive to the whole thing maybe thinking they'd win the influence war eventually and Russia wouldn't dare escalate.
>>541618529>wasp>jewsthere's no difference. at all.
>>541616738limited hangout
>>541619121>non zionist WASPno such thing
>>541625501>how is ukraine different from lets say georgia,chechnyaChecnya is a Russian state, for starters.>he thinks russia invaded ukraineover NATO expansion not due to planned offensive actions against crimea and the inability of the russians to hold itYou're either a shill or a retard, NATO expansion and Crimea were direct results of American meddling and NATO expansion to Ukraine has been a stated red line since at least 2008, Buchurest Memorandum and all>Le Russian imperialismMaybe r/europe will suit you better
>>541626281>Ukraine invasion* and Crimea were direct results of American meddling
>>541617119>you can debate, but only the way I wantLol
