It's unfortunate the way the people of this nation have been brainwashed into fascism by the MSM, internet, universities, and everything. Every institution within this nation is under the control of the billionaire class, and produces propaganda which is intended to keep the public voting for fascism.It's just unfortunate to have watched people fall for it. I was in college back in the 2000s and was part of Occupy Wall St. Felt like people were really figuring things out, back then. But you people really ramped up the culturewars and mindfucked everyone. You've managed to keep yourselves in power for another whole decade longer than I personally thought you would.
>>541643760I know this is bait, but i'll bite. Ok then, just concede the culture war you started and we'd be happy with socialism, we can even call it national socialism.
>>541644879The culture war is just you, obviously. As proven in the OP. You're pretending you don't understand that, because the culture war is the main means by which you manipulate the public.Your politics, as fascists, exist to protect capitalism and it's wealthy beneficiaries from socialism, with identity politics and Jewish scapegoats. Whatever other propaganda you have about yourself are just your usual empty mendacities.
>>541645544What if i told you i'm a national socialist and i'd be happy to abolish capitalism and create an economy focused around the creation and maintenance of healthy families? What if i'm not a capitalist at all?Also, how do you consider the culture war was started by the right wing when it was mostly leftists, liberals and feminists who took that fight up specifically from college and university campuses? Were leftists never responsible for pushing any culture war? Are you really going to state that the culture war was just a right wing conspiracy?
>>541645809Again, "The culture war is just you, obviously. As proven in the OP. You're pretending you don't understand that, because the culture war is the main means by which you manipulate the public.""Your politics, as fascists, exist to protect capitalism and it's wealthy beneficiaries from socialism, with identity politics and Jewish scapegoats. Whatever other propaganda you have about yourself are just your usual empty mendacities."You're just going to keep on pretending you don't understand basic facts here, or that you don't understand the content of the OP, in order to evade having to directly respond to it. It's what you people do here on /pol/. Fucking constantly.
>>541643760>But you people really ramped up the culturewars and mindfucked everyoneIt's not entirely their fault. Social media is designed explicitly to turn the low-information demographic into a horde of slavering tribalists. These are people with really poor media literacy being manipulated on a pavlovian level into what they've become. Try to have a little bit of compassion for them when you can.
>>541645905So the past fifteen years of leftists playing identity politics, simply didn't happen?it's a very easy question.Also, how does this make infinite third world immigration good exactly?
>>541643760>you people really ramped up the culturewars and mindfucked everyoneWhat do you mean you people? Bigot.
>>541646017"Again, "The culture war is just you, obviously. As proven in the OP. You're pretending you don't understand that, because the culture war is the main means by which you manipulate the public.""Your politics, as fascists, exist to protect capitalism and it's wealthy beneficiaries from socialism, with identity politics and Jewish scapegoats. Whatever other propaganda you have about yourself are just your usual empty mendacities.""You're just going to keep on pretending you don't understand basic facts here, or that you don't understand the content of the OP, in order to evade having to directly respond to it. It's what you people do here on /pol/. Fucking constantly.">>541645942Yup. Vast majority of posters here though are part of an intentional, professional propaganda operation. Not just ordinary people who got fooled. Unfortunately. I deeply wish it were the opposite way.
>>541646017Durrr it was all obviously a reverse psychology op to make you hate the left.
>>541643760what far right policies did people get manipulated into voting for?
>>541646113Do you people really think just endlessly repeating one-off lines like this, 1,000s upon 1,000s of times over the course of years, which only reflect your own misrepresentations of your political opposition and not our actual views, was actual being humorous or impressive?
>>541643760Help us get the country back to 1960 demographics and we’ll back any socialist policies you want. Deal?
>>541646189Your nation represents far right politics in this world. It represents far right, fascist imperialism. You've been involved in an 80-year long war against communism, or even moderate leftist politics, where ever they exist.If you don't know this....I mean, I don't know what the fuck to tell you. MSM has done a bad job on your brain if you don't understand you're living in the epitome of the far right fascist empire.
>>541646207I'm not a racist person, but the mass-immigration in this nation is due to you, and your economic policy of capitalism. You've made mass-immigration necessary for this country's continued existence. No one's responsible for it but you. No matter how much you pretend to be racist, or for closed-borders, you're the only ones responsible for mass-immigration. No matter how much the MSM, or mainstream political parties peddle your narratives, you're nevertheless the only ones responsible for the open borders. And every other unpopular policy you pretend to be against, too, cuz you're just con artist grifters.
>>541646368>>541646207the fact that the MSM has brainwashed the people of this nation to blame "the left" for all of their problems is just one more manifestation of how you people, as fascists, run absolutely everything here within this nation.
>>541646017Of course it did. Identity politics is donor friendly when properly managed. Culture war is donor friendly. Why? Because whoever wins, it's less than the entire lower classes. Whatever concessions they have to give, it's less than what they'd give up on the losing end of a class war. Once you understand that our political economy is run entirely by our donor class, everything makes more sense. You see, crystal clear, that both major parties are arms of the same donor class -- whose primary disagreement is strictly technocratic.Both arms agree that the correct structure of power in America is a broad base of immiserated workers sufficiently desperate to work for cheap and then pump the money they get back into the pockets of an elite class who live in pornographic luxury. Their primary disgreement isn't whether or not this is the correct structure but the degree to which the rest of us should be immiserated. It's a technical question about what's the optimal level. Want change? Vote for the socialists. It's as simple as that. Fascists just want a different group of elites.
>>541646131Ok, so if you genuinely want to have a political discussion, i'm down for it, but i'm actually interested in what you're attempting to do here. Why are you spending your time spamming the same response over and over again instead of doing anything productive? i know most of pol has become a shithole because of the spam, but is this really worth it to you? just spamming the site enough until people leave?>>541646368I agree that mass migration is a result of capitalism, but are you really going to sit there and state that leftists were never pro open borders? i actually genuinely don't know if this is satire or not. Are you playing stupid or are you stupid?>>541646439I'd vote socialist if they were national socialists. Why not just then advocate to close the border and deport illegals and non-whites? Talk as much shit about fascists, republicans and trump as you want, i'm simply asking you to provide a better candidate. It's literally that easy.
>>541646277>american flag>your nationwhat did anon mean by thisstill waiting for you to tell me what one of these far right policies is btw
>>541646368The country has been governed by a neoliberal uniparty since the end of WW2. The liberal western world order was specifically implemented to prevent right wing/fascist politics from gaining power. You are not nearly as smart as you think you are- everything you believe is incorrect and/or a lie.
>>541646778good pickup, should've realized before i began engaging. Probably an hourly salaried indian shilling.
>>541646433I don't blame the left. I blame the Jewish thought leaders like Bill kristol, his dad, Bill Ayers, kisinger, Saul alinski, soros and the lawyers behind all legislation. There are many more. I hate the left because they hate me for being a white man. The left has been indoctrinated into committing violence in the name of their ideals, the right hasn't and won't be because they are cowards.What is your proposed solution? To try and place all the blame on the right? Exactly like you say the right does with the left?
>>541646660I'm repeating myself because you've just ignored everything I've written, and then repeated yourself. Therefore, people just repeat themselves in return. Congratulations. Welcome to "the basic way human conversations operate".>I agree mass immigration is the result of capitalism, but....!OK well you're the capitalists, here on the right. As fascists, this is what your politics stand for. You're an adult person. You understand your politics aren't "socialism" just because you put "socialism" in the name.You don't have to continue this conversation with me, wherein you will be just pretending you're too fucking dumb even to understand this basic notion, predictably. Furthermore, every claim that "the left" is responsible for the mass immigration which you made necessary from your capitalism, is just western MSM brainwashing, wherein the people of this fascist nation are brainwashed to blame "the left" for their problems, so they do not blame fascism.Please, just don't keep responding to me, because we both know what you're going to do is just pretend to be too fucking dumb to understand basic concepts, or basic history, or the basic premise of what your politics as fascists are obviously about, to justify just continually repeating the same dumb, bankrupt MSM /pol/ propaganda. Just quit wasting my time.
>>541647157You "blame jews" to protect yourself, from prosecution for your own crime, which includes your open borders for the capitalism, which your entire fascist political movement exists to protect. Nothing more. The only thing you do is try to evade prosecution for your own crime. And you're trying to keep the borders open right now, too. By denying the cause of it (which is economic, not "jews"), in order to ensure no one can ever fix it, and then eventually close the borders. You're all just a bunch of open borders capitalist, fake-racist, grifting con artists here on /pol/. No matter how much you pretend to be racist. You're just open borders grifting con artists.
>>541646814>The liberal western world order was specifically implemented to prevent right wing/fascist politics from gaining power.Nope. The United States has militarily enforced, armed and funded fascism everywhere it exists upon this planet. And 100% of the propaganda which is peddled within this nation exists to make people believe in fascism. What you're repeating is your own fascist / MSM brainwashing. Where you try to convince the public that the people who run this nation are not fascists, therefore they will blame "the left" for their problems, rather than you and your fascist politics, which actually were responsible. Responsible, mind you, for literally every last one of their problems, especially the ones you pretend to be most vehemently opposed to (ie mass immigration, wokeness, zionism, and more).
>>541646368It’s true that in the past left wingers (like Sanders) were in favor of strict border control, but all that changed in 2016. See below copied straight from the DSA platform. Republicans who were pro open border like the Bushes were part of the neoliberal uniparty are were not right wing/fascist in any way.>End ICE detention and deportations and punish federal agents' brutality. Legalize migration, grant amnesty for all immigrants regardless of status, provide a path to citizenship for all permanent residents, and end visa caps and quotas.
Everyone here is just a grifting con artist. You have to understand this, in order to understand what's happening in this nation. Every policy which these fascists pretend to be most opposed to, are the ones which they're intentionally most responsible for.They know it. It's all just 1 big mess of mendacity and propaganda, from professional propagandists who are just complete psychopaths, and masters of getting people to blame everyone else for own fucking crimes or failures.
>>541644879Oh dude don't bother, he's one of our resident shills. He's not even a communist or something, I cant even pin down what he is. But basically he wants the left to win on everything but only his specific version of it as everything outside of that is apparently literally Hitler. Ik his ex hangs out on here, its only a matter of time till he gets doxxed for being an annoying shills that can't even have a good faith debate as you and countless others have tried to provide. Which is in the end what gets you doxxed. He's not the first, won't be the last.
>>541647509No. Everything you're repeating is just your western, MSM, fascist brainwashing and propaganda, wherein the general public is brainwashed to blame "the left" for whatever problems exist in this country. Every fucking time. Mass immigration is 100%, exclusively, uniquely, unreservedly, unequivocally, your own policy, and fault. You've made it 100% fundamentally economically necessary, from your fascist economic policy of capitalism. Capitalism requires mass immigration.You did this. The end. There are no other fucking words to be spoken. Everything you people write to try to weasel your way out of it only makes me want to witness you all be punished even more harshly, eventually. Not as a racist, but just a person who despises bullshit or the perpetration of a policy, for your own personal profit, which the people of this nation obviously despise and want reversed.
>>541643760This is a high IQ thread
>>541647330>I don't have an answer to your question so I will just blame you for everythingRight on!
>>541647572I mean, he must be getting paid, right? Or at least on welfare or something. I really can't imagine such a sad existence. Funny thing is most philosophers were either rich and did nothing or just lived on welfare, but they at least wrote something or tried to engage in thoughtful debate; these people just spam the same like five or six words and declare victory.If he's not getting paid for this, i pity him, truly.>>541647509>but all that changed in 2016something i've thought about recently is how much the RW has changed the past decade and how little the left has. Most right wingers i've seen have mostly completely transformed from small-time conservatives and petty civic nationalists to ethnats and the like. I barely know or see any conservatives under 45 left, while leftists have barely changed anything it seems.They've gotten more third worldists to a degree, but that's the only real change i'd say i can see. It's also why i think they've decided to spam attack pol the last year or so. They still live in 2016 and think this place is why trump got elected, because le ebil hacker 4chins made le funny frog memes and made trump win the meme war. They seem to have this unrelenting hatred for pol, even though pol today is probably like nothing it was in 2016.It also feels like many if not most of them think that as long as they get rid of trump everything's gonna go back to how it was before, back to normal so to say; as they ignore how everything's different. Can they even picture a world without trump? Such a sad state of affairs that it's only jewtube i have left to get any form of pseudo-academic political content, this place really has gone to shit.
>>541647659so you're actually opposed to allowing immigration?
>>541648208i love how they never actually answer any question truthfully.>mass migration is right wing and crapitalist!!!so you're against it>uhhhhhhhhh... FASCIST!
>>541648069He genuinely isn't lmao, just plug the filename into 4plebs or some of his sentences into the search and you'll see the same shit over and over. The funny thing is as I've explained to him, we wouldn't even mind him being here and posting if he ever bothered engaged in any actual debate but what you've seen is all he does. >Makes a shit thread/post>Gets challenged on it by someone from any side of the polcompass expecting a good debate >Acts high and mighty the whole time while accusing the other person of being a fascist capitalist (as if those aren't wholly different ideas) >Gets mad when people try to debate him>Points back at his shitty graph>Gets mad when people try to debate the graph and talks down to everyoneI've seen everyone from Marxists, Anarchists, Fascists, Libertarians, etc and every in between niche idea try to debate him but its always the same. He's not even a jeet being paid for it which is at least understandable cause its a struggle out here no he does this for free and thinks he's somehow a one man army. We've doxxed countless people on here for being stupid shills and he'll be another head we mount on the wall sooner or later. Its only a matter of time
>>541648580I just don't get why. I disagree with islamists, marxists, liberals, libertarians and a lot of other groups, but if i can still see where they're coming from, their end goal and what they're trying to do. With this guy i simply can't understand exactly what his goal is. What exactly is he trying to do? If i choose to engage with leftists or liberals in dialogue, i'm trying to either understand their worldview, see what arguments they have, see if they notice something i don't and so on. Is OP simply a braindead retard?If so, i pity and send him my kindest condolences.
USAmerica: a nation that solely exists in its current form due to mass immigration - not even a long time agoContinue on your current path and you will be the one getting kicked out of your own country. I hear Rwanda is open to it, maybe even Liberia. Once you start to put laws in place that will allow you to detain and deport people who have spent their whole lives in the USA, providing benefit to the US economy, the step to deporting US citizens is just a small one to take. Remind you, a high percentage of your citizens are imprisoned already, because obviously something is not working out for you. Remind you the death penalty exists, allowing a court to decide you fate.
>>541643760Notorious fascists like George Soros and Larry Fink. According to leftists Elon Musk is the only billionaire in the world.
>>541647408>what you’re repeating Nope, what you’re repeating is low IQ redddit logic where everything to the right of Mao is “fascist.” I’m done responding, you are disingenuous and not very intelligent. Just a boomer leftist who understand politics. Don’t (You) me anymore please.
>>541649480Go jump in front of a train shitjeet.
>>541648966I'm no closer to understanding him than you fren, its like a rehash of Occupy Wallstreet with a complete disregard of history, politics, and philisophy mashed together to form some weird goo of an ideology with generous amounts of the kind of things you think is intellectual when peaking on LSD. Apparently he gets called conservative by his family a lot and then comes on here and gets called a commie but he's neither. If he at least debated in good faith it'd be easier to see where he's coming from ideologically but what you've experience is his debating form entirely. Very much a one trick pony.
>They got you fighting a culture war to stop you from fighting a class war>But I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER compromise on ANY of my cultural positions ever (I promise)I guess I'm just imagining all the brown people as well? Or are you implying that nobody cared about ethnicity at all until Elon Musk told them to?Can leftists argue honestly for fucking once?
>>541649893From what i've read here, i don't even think he's politically interested at all. I think he's just either mentally ill or such a loser he has to constantly distract himself from it by blaming anything and everything else for it. I wouldn't even call him a leftist anymore, he just wants to complain.He's probably just a retarded druggie with internet access
>>541650062Unfortunately this is true. What he's saying is the kind of things you think is big brained intellectualism while peaking on acid, but then you sober up and look back at it and realize it was either extremely basic, already thought of by someone else before you, or in his case, completely sophist garbage that looks really impressive to anyone who gets their opinions from talking heads on TV.
>>541650994>sophist garbagei hate sophistry so much. I'd rather listen to an actual downie than listen to someone pretending to be smart.
