china will never be a super power. there debt is too high. military too weak and birth rates too low/
>>541663830They already are a super power since 2011
>>541663830They have 2 million robots now , you lost
>>541663830You are indian
>>541663830The world trade organization considers China a developing nation as apposed to American which is considered a developed nation
Yea and lemme guess liberal/neocon, China's economy is collapsing in 2 weeks?
Peopre's Lepubric of Chudna
>>541663830More importantly: They have no interest in policing the world.
"but at what cost?" "has chinas hard landing begun"
>>541663830Hard to believe that
>>541663830>there debt is too high. military too weak and birth rates too low/but enough about america
>>541665587Holy shit they've mastered basic CGI it's literally over for us
>>541666283>CGICope
>>541663919lol, lmao even
Who the fuck cares. Stop talking about them; unless they get caught spying on us, then have Appalachian red-necks hunt them through the woods for sport and livestream it. Boring ass fuckers haven’t even produced one solid sci-fi novel.
>>541663830there, their, dear, deer and dare are similar words but mean different things. look it up.
>>541666584>Boring ass fuckers haven’t even produced one solid sci-fi novel.Isn't 3 body problem one of the most influential sci fi books of the modern era? There are lots of concepts from it like "dark forest" that get discussed constantly
>>541663830>china will never be a super power.Okay.>there debt is too high.Like the US?>military too weakHow's the Iran war going?>and birth rates too low/Like the US?
>>541666770The dark forest concept is a helluva lot older than that book.
>>541663830> their debt is too high.They can simply expel the Jews. Once America collapses no one will be able to stop them.
>>541666943It's internal debt. Yes they can reorganize it but it's actually kind of a mess. It's actually *easier* when it's just some jews.
>>541663830Jamboy did it againHe posted the China thread
>>541667161>It's internal debt. Yes they can reorganize it but it's actually kind of a mess.Internal debt avoids foreign currency risks and keeps wealth within the domestic economy. In a state like China where most creditors are at least partly state affiliated, it's even less of a risk/burden.>It's actually *easier* when it's just some jews.To get a lawn? I don't doubt it. It's later that you feel the sting. Payback with interest isn't enough given that you also have to align politically.
>>541665587They already created a better idea for a model. Though this was a success it can't hard as large of a payload as Elons. The Chinese have made one that lands in a net.
>>541666832When people say birth rate problem they are full of shit because they failed to look at the data to see the entire globe has a birth rate problem. So they are just advocating for third world immigration to fill vacant economic zones instead of having a country.
>>541667352I mean if you want to nuke the debt. Having labyrinthian internal debt and interest to pay on it with normies expecting return is a big problem. Telling some thieving jews and their immediate golems to go fuck themselves (if you society has the guts), is a lot easier.
>>541663830I could raise their birth rates in one year
>>541663830But they make flashy lights make shapes on buildings, they must be superior to us
>>541663830China is already ahead of the US. So I guess there are no super powers anymore.
>>541667512>Telling some thieving jews and their immediate golems to go fuck themselves (if you society has the guts), is a lot easier.The thieving jews ARE the economy. You can feel free to tell them to go fuck themselves, what follows is the collapse of an already artificially inflated finance-centric economy.Other than the deep economic depression that ensues, you'd get global financial panic and government shutdown.That aside, a substantial part of the money owed is to countries like Japan or other European countries or even Americans who purchased treasury bonds.
>>541667611They used to call the US a "hyper power" when i was still in high school.
>>541663830the thing about chinese debt is that they owe it to themselves through their own state banks it's just a place keeper, their own banks will never sell it to try to profit or test the system like our bond vigilantes try to do, don't know about the other stuff but i work in finance and it always irks me when someone tries to dunk on the chinks or whatever by bringing up their "debt"
>>541667652Thing is it's possible to tell the jews to fuck themselves without fucking the economy in the case of it being a few assholes holding the debt. It's much more difficult when the debt is more democratized. The western citizen already paid that debt up front in inflation and getting fucked on everything while a jew stole it (and frankly...gave it to places that *are developing* plus the spoiled rich). Right now the West could wipe its debt out and only a few percent of the population would give a shit because the rest are financially fucked. When the debt and potential returns are evenly distributed, the average normie in China actually has financial debt based expectations, it's a lot more difficult.
>>541663830China is a country where a dictator emerges every 60 years and destroys the existing system.
>>541667786The next collapse of China will be in 2030s.
>>541667855Collapse seems unlikely. Actually they'll probably follow the path of Japan. The US is so de-industrialized and Africa/India are non-starters it was decided to have the west take care of the next run of development, which will probably be the last relevant one that's solely on Terra.
>>541667762The Jew fucks you by acting through the very corporations that make up your economy and through pension funds. They don't own it in their name. They own it through 12 layers of corporate structures.ZOG is acting through companies like MSFT, AAPL, General Motors, Vanguard, and so on. If they take it in the ass, they already made sure you take it in the ass just as hard.There is no situation where dealing with a Jew results in a better paradigm than dealing with your own. The chinese have a solvable problem. The US does not.
>>541667923They can try. Ultimately the important part is the core normie has no expectations. Corporate structures can be propped up, normies expecting free shit is a different story. Expectations in the west right now are *lower than China*.
>>541667952Wealth can be seen from two angles. Production, basically what we make and liquidity/velocity, or how money moves. China is fond of the first paradigm. To them, tangible things and trade are the healthy foundation.The US economy took the other route since the end of WW2. It's about money flow. How fast and far it circulates. The bill must go through as many hands as possible internally to make it enticing to foreigners to also take their savings and send them your way as well.If you stop the Jewing, you have to restart from humble beginnings. They didn't just build leverage through mechanisms like debt. They built co-dependence by ensuring that harming them results in harm inflicted to your own selves.
>>541668138For the vast majority of the population, humble is an understatement. The only thing they need to do is have production facilities ready to go. The normie has debt, no assets, no investments. Chinese normies actually do. The average American (and Canadian, for that matter) doesn't have a single month of saved expenses.
>>541667901China is a 40,000 year old advanced tech underground nation that has a fake “keeping up with the kardashians” nation on the surface to pretend to be “along for the ride” with the other nations. USA is funnily similar, but is like 180 years old and the only actual tech that matters at that levels is memes cuz they all have timetravel lazerdeath speedsaucers that can create 1000 timelines in an instant, so literally the word shewn by the sun gets projected into the minds of mankind and the nether carthonians become skkrrt knowldg
>floods, typhoons, mudslides>tributaries dying one by one>real estate crisis>demographic crisisHas Xi lost the mandate of heaven? Only Emperor Zeihan can save the Middle Kingdom
>>541663830Every country has those same problems, the playing ground is leveled, your point is irrelevant, also slide thread, post tits or gtfo.
>>541667952>Expectations in the west right now are *lower than China*.chinese over 40 didnt sell the country to bankers for green line go up and cheap chalupas
>>541668138>Wealth can be seen from two angles. Production, basically what we make and liquidity/velocity, or how money moves* jp morgan central bank doesnt create wealth it creates poverty by selling all the wealth* feminism doesnt create children it destroys children
>>541663830If america were to start siezing Chinese cargo ships, what do you think Xi would do about it? What COULD he do?
>>541663830China is already stronger than the US. They just aren’t as belligerent so you don’t notice it.
>>541667611Is that why they keep copying us? Cuz they're so far ahead?
>>541667688Thats stupid.You're stupid.
Only White countries can be superpowers and there is no evidence to the contrary.
>>541663830>china will never be a super power. there debt is too high. military too weak and birth rates too low/This is what happens when your country supports Israel.
it doesnt want to be eitherwestern thinking cannot comprehend chinese thinking
>>541669405Japan also copied USA's technology when they started to develop their industry but eventually created their own. China is doing the same.In what are they still copying USA's tech?
>>541665587Forgot to post the aftermath when it catched fire and tipped over the floor chinko, I thought it was supposed to be reusable? Lol, china fucking shits
>>541665587>>541669581Here's your chinese 50 cent reusable rocket, welcome
>>541663919Wrong you need to be able to project power globally in order to be called a superpower. Russia and China are less than super power due to mostly being unable to project power globally due to lack of nuclear fusion powered naval vessels
>>541667611Ur joking right? USA has nuclear fusion carriers China doesn’t even have that capability at all lol
>>541669581>Tips over.>While on fire.>DOESN'T explodeI don't think this is the flex you think it is, anon. The money saved on cleanup and parts re-use is still impressive.
>>541667688They have schools in Morocco?
>>541670867>USA has nuclear fusion carrierslmao mutts are so finished. Literal Idiocracy over there.
>>541663830>there
>>541670956shuddup ya muffigin ho
>>541664412We have niggers and troons, all developed nations have those.
>>541671022>We have niggers and troonsthis
China has never wanted to be a superpower.Some remnants of imperialism want to undermine world peace and the multipolar order and dominate the world, and treating some more developed countries as hypothetical enemies>china will never be a super poweryes, we will never be. we want world peace, not the opposite.
>>541663830China will not survive without open borders and race mixing. It's simply impossible. They should implement relentless self hating propaganda immediately.
>>541670956Germans always think they’re smart but cannot think in simple terms. I’m phonefagging and it’s auto correct Nuclear fission**
>>541667855>>541667786Japan is a country where a dictator changes every 4 years and destroys the existing system.China is generally more stable and doesn't need to grovel to the US or lick american cock
>>541671297Japan inherited everything bad in the US system, and gaslit itself to think its superior due to 100 years of influx of foreign capital.
>>541671276>Germans always think they’re smart but cannot think in simple terms.シ>I’m phonefagging and it’s auto correctツ
>>541671297What’s ur overall point? China has a much weaker military. Much worse naval technology and cannot project power to the western hemisphere. A war with China without nukes would lookSimilar to the war in Iran. Very quickly they would be encircled and desu they are completely contained at this moment. They pose almost no threat to the USA globally
>>541671429Bcuz your hubris makes you believe you’re smarter than us Americans but if that were true then your country would be outperforming us and that is not what we observe. You aren’t that bright and intelligence is only half the battle the other half is balls which Germans lack entirely. You’re like a Jew with your hubris
>>541671183This, China kept to itself militaristically most of its history while only wanted trades of goods and culture with other kingdoms. I think the leadership on China was always wary of biting off more than it can chew, which is the case for more imperialist nations.
>>541671523China can’t even take Taiwan. I dare China to try to seize Taiwan they would be instantly rekt. China is not strong yet
>>541663830THE COPE
>>541671472The point was china isn't interested in projecting power too far from home, they don't give a shit unless it affects them internally. The Chinese navy is only interested in making sure it's local trade routes are unimpeded
...America and EU have none of these problems of course
>>541663830usa debt is the biggest in the world, their military ran out of missile in 3 weeks and is losing to iran and their population is composed of low iq mutts while china has an army of humanoid robots
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>>541671571>I dare you do this militaristic thingWhy are my fellow burgers like this.
>Like clockwork the China bots swarm this thread.You know accepting money from China to push their narrative could be seen as a federal offense. It looks like Trump might go all in with the anti China narrative.
>>541671696>Whyjews.
>>541670852>Being the factory of the world that makes 80% of your military hardware isn’t a superpower That is power projection even more effective then actual military power America used to know this and did this
>>541671519It’s true tho mainly because America is now minority european thats why IQ is dropping of a cliff
>>541671761but wat about the holowowowowcauzt
>>541671799>thats why IQ is dropping of a cliffniggerball isn't doing boomers many favors
>>541671823>Muh power projection >Yes controlling production is power projection REEEEEEE NOT THAT POWER PROJECTION your a nigger pablo
>>541663830Every first world country has hugass declining birthrates. Instead of causing wars and importing nogs they all should sit together and figure out how to improve breeding programm. Chinese west wife exchange should solve all the issues.
>>541663830And thats a good thing, we dont need any more superpowers, regional hegemons are enough, America will also be reduced to this role during this century. The world is healing
>>541671904Mao tried that in the early 70s. Nixon and Kissinger said no
>>541671472>weaker military>cannot project poweryes. The PLA's military size should just be enough for national defense, and the rest of the money should be used to benefit the people. This isn't like some military juntas where no one can afford beef and let a militarist populist retard to be president
>>541671888digits, damn son checkem. But you'll never be a woman and I'm not a pablo. I fucking hate spics. Thing is that you're a jew. The time is coming for 110 and it's gonna be earth this time.
>>541671625A super power is defined by power projection. Without global power projection it is not a super power. It is a nuclear power but definitely not a super power. USA is a super power because it can protect its assets and allies globally >>541671696Cuz China cannot defeat Taiwan. China cannot simply invade, Taiwan coast is Rocky Mountains and cliffsides. Once you get to the shore China would need troops to grapple hook up a fucking cliff with western weapons pointed directly at them. It would be worse than D-day
>>541672042Not to mention the resources China would need to keep the Strait of Malacca from being blockaded
>>541671761USA doesn’t need China u aren’t paying attention. Mexico surpassed China in components exports recently. We’ve been hedging on Mexico to cut off China and it’s working look it up >>541672005China isn’t a threat to the USA at all if it plans to stay regional. Again, the entirely of Asia does not like China. Vietnam sides with USA over China these days. South Korea Japan etc. it would be like the third reich immediately encircled by the entire world
>>541672103China is just the new boogeyman for western companies to justify permanent war, to justify stealing our waterFor ai data centers etc >if we don’t do it China willIt’s all just fear
>>541671736He won't, everything he does currently favors all important Chinese goods because all the other countries tariffs are higher. To a point I'm literally suspecting he's a ccp plant lol. My Chinese import cost change is a 5%, 10% max, Japan and Eurozone is at a solid 15% and higher lol.>t. Import business owner>>541671904Nothing wrong with less people, less people with more production (automation etc) just gpmeans general increase in material wealth for everybody. And China definitely leading in automation
>>541672159>"China is not a real threat."Keep telling yourself that.
>>541671523>always wary of biting off more than it can chew, which is the case for more imperialist nationsthats why china is not a imperialist nation. China doesnt want to build a huge colonial empire like Britain or some other countries and then collapse on its own. Economic and cultural exchanges with other countries aren't imperialism. Imperialism means exporting capital through aggressive wars, just like what the great powers did to China in late 19th century.
>>541672233In what way is China a threat to USA? And you better not say the BRICs banking system or I’ll have to mog u
>>541672042The main point was china isn't interested in the dick contest of super power power projection. It isn't interested in invading Taiwan through force when economic and political action works just as well in the long term, especially preserving infrastructures and stability (tantamount) in both Taiwan and mainland. Again, the idea that bombs are the absolute worse outcome to my fellow burger is like an alien concept. No wonder Israel has such easy time in DC here.
>>541672266They have already infiltrated the governments of the West. We let that happen though, so that one is on us. Their AI bots and shills are all over the net. Hundreds of thousands of military aged Chinese men slipped into the country because of Biden.
>>541672394Idgf if china infiltrates to just stop DC from turning my tax dollars to bombs, I just want non pothole roads and some speed rails and cheap electric cars and batteries.
>>541672493>Thinks that we will reap rewardsChina hates the US and all of it's citizens. They just want our farmland and resources to feed their population and fuel their production. We will be useless eaters. Kissing the CCPs ass is not going to save you.
>>541672236Sorry my sentences weren't clear it was to point out differences like Britain as imperial power who bit off more it can chew vs mercantile power who's only interested in trade, which requires stability instead of constant conflicts.
>>541663830China already won.
>>541664003Oy vey lets sideline all white men and try to destroy the White race and sell all of Americas advanced technology to China.
>>541672550Lol, do you even talk to a Chinese person. Their literal name for the USA is "beautiful country"
>>541670969>>541671000>>541671142IIRC one of his cartoons contained a jew that looked almost exactly like Noam Chomsky, do you happen to have that one? No idea how to find it thanks to the online censorship these days
>>541672108>entirely of Asia does not like ChinaSoutheast Asia: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, MalaysiaSouth Asia: Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri LankaCentral Asia: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and four other countriesEast Asia: DPRK>Vietnam sides with USAso how do you explain that China is Vietnam's biggest trading partner, and Vietnam president To Lam chooses China for his first overseas trip
>>541672601>Chinese actually like us.The people may not all hate us, but the CCP does.
>>541672600Let Wallstreet have them, to never produce enough so we can charge more profits.
>>541663830I dont like admitting it, but they genuinely already are.American corporations literally could not exist without cheap mass produced chinese junk, that they can sell at an insane markup.Our industry and economy is sort of a joke at this point, its just jews cutting up and selling our country economic resources to the highest bidder at this point. Pretending china is not the upcoming superpower is just cope, we dont even have our own industry anymore all "our" stuff is made in china
>>541672664I think if we stopped meddling regionally, they wouldnt give a shit, like the Arabs wouldnt give a shit if we stopped building bases in the ME.Americans generally are viewed positively around the world until the conversation moves to regional politics due to DC meddling.You need to talk to actual business people who travels around and actually deal with foreigners instead of just read CIA funded headlines
>>541672601you buffon, they are simply using the moon rune for "beautiful" to pronounce America: Ya le mei jia
>>541672821*Ya mei le jiahad one job
>>541672108>>541672236I think a most recent poll in SK has the US drop 20 points, ouch.
>>541663830China already is a superpower. And it will continue to be so because they have nationalists and men in control.
>>541672559im sry the translater misunderstood what you meant´_>`
>>541672951and that's sort of what it comes down to, is the fact that they're nationalist and on team china. they want the chinese to win. this is why the west will lose.the (((people))) in control of our government despise us and are trying to destroy usthis is why you dont see the chinese mass importing violent mentally retarded nigger bioweapons to live among their people, or try to turn their people trans
>>541672821>>541672863it's wrong."ya mei li jia(亚美利加)" is the name of the continent of America.we call the usa "mei guo(美国)"as the abbreviation. "guo(国)"means state/nation/country, and "mei(美)"means beauty.The full name is "mei li jian he zhong guo(美利坚合众国)", literally means an American country that unites the massesbtw we call Deutschland "de guo(德国)", which means a moral country. and what's funny is that the abbreviation of Deutschland is"de yi zhi lian bang gong he guo(德意志联邦共和国)", "联邦共和国"means federal republic, and "德意志" literally means morality(德) and willpower(意志).
This must be a sarcastic thread, right? Country with over 50% of worldwide shipbuilding tonnage, number of reactors in construction larger than entire world and longest high-speed rail system. Country that was legit below 3rd world mere 40 years ago.
>>541672806>If we stopped meddling>China sells to Europe
Ah yeah, country that produced and used more concrete in 3 years than USA in 100 years, forgot to add.
>>541673325China Germany alliance to destroy satanic israel and amutrica
>>541672821I know where it comes from. But I also talk to average Chinese people on my business trips and character meaning both reflect and steers peoples sentiments towards the US. The Chinese just want to do business and arrive at mutually beneficial arrangement with Americans. They view us citizens very positively, but very skeptical of our politicians, probably no less than our own skepticism towards DC.
>>541672657Vietnam is american pawn that they are using against China.Vietnam has nukes and will use it to hold china hostage.Please continue our work and eliminate vietnamese subhumans once and for all.
>>541673417*Tonkinese are the North Vietnamese communists in control of Vietnam
>>541673332Only a burger would view trade (agreed to by both parties) as meddling on the same level as setting up military bases around you.I can't even
>>541673464>"Only a burger"So you are not an American then.
>>541673509I call all Americans flag burgers, myself included
>>541663830China already is a super power. Do you mean the hegemonic power of the world? There is no evidence as of right now that China has such a desire. The U.S. sanctioned their banks years ago and the Chinese made their own banking system to trade with. A lot of what China does is a response. It’s as though the U.S. is trying to force them to take over the East or create hostilities with countries within the East. Probably the biggest issue Chinese face today is the soul crushing labor they endure just to make ends meet. If westerners worked as hard as Chinese we would have mass suicides and rebellion against the government. The Chinese though trade in their sense of freedom for security. For this reason, if I was a CIA nigger and evil scumbag, my goal would be to infiltrate China and fund special interest groups. The problem is China kills the CIA now so they can’t do stuff like this anymore, hence the sanctions.
>>541673509Inb4 Chinese bot
>>541673417at least we hate Vietnamese monkeys they occupied South China Sea Islandsvietnam is not loyal to either the US or China, trying to get something from bothand they dont have nukes(yet)
>>541673556>>541673588You know I was going to accept your first answer.
>>541664003yeah... i've been to china and america and china is already miles ahead. america cant even build high speed rail or power plants.
>>541663830>canada>anti-chinaGood morning saar
>>541673638oh yeah i just now saw the " *there* debt is too high"OP definitely a jeetard
>>541673581Hope china never moves too far away from enduring soul crushing labor. It is literally mentality and urgency required to move civilization forward. The hard times in china in the 100 years have proven the hard times hard men meme part, and I think we've all became too soft and require something like china to set the west straight.
>>541673382except some nationalist, most of Chinese dont hate foreigners. but they are aggressive to some American president. for example, we call biden"lao bi deng" sometimes, it means"old asshole biden"
>>541673710why do the chinese dislike biden?
>>541663830China is the future, anonas a CIA employee I think its based!>>44648961
>>541663830Birthrates are irrelevant if you won the AI and robotics race. You could have a rate of 1.5 and still dominate the world.
>>541673767>>541673888he is based
>>541673767i dunno it's a memeMaybe it's because he shit his pants, and he supports taiwan
>>541673610I grew up in the US for 35 years and I still live here, but traveling back to China for business has explained a lot of what has irked me during my k12 and college years. Shit in the US moves so slow it is boring, AP class and college major and advanced degree here is a joke. The entire country revolves around people getting into law firms, not industry.
>>541673843In China, artificial intelligence will replace humans in future, Just like Nick land said (lol
>>541673940I can already see the plan ahead, there really is nothing wrong with low birthrate if production is made up by automation. Eventually the general increase of wealth would stabilize a birthrate that balances wealth production and demand.
>>541673890it's because Taiwan numba one
>>541663830>there debtGOOD MORNING SAAR
>>541673767He's generally not all there and mostly just acts for his handlers?
>>541674089I know why i dont like him and why other americans wouldnt like him, i was just curious what reasons the chinese have for disliking him.wasnt sure if he did some sanction or something specific they didnt like
>>541674141He dId some tariffs, biggest one was a solar one I think.
>>541663830so these people outside of eu all have the same problem. the egos they have. wanting to rule the world. off course its their citizens. everything else is the same everywhere.what is the difference. i just said it. the fricans dont try because its useless for them, they lose anyway. the moozlum states try hard, fe sending rockets to israel, but theyre too stupid to ever lead or topple anyone.
>>541674141probably chip act, trumps 1st term was just tariffs, biden however started sanctions and export bans to china which trump kept now in his 2nd term.
get your egos under control from here on its israel first forever.
>>541663919> give loans to browns> can't afford to support said loanslol, lmao even
>>541674634They're only there for the minerals.Bro, your currency is a joke because 0 interest carry trade for 40 years.
>>541663830China is chasing EUV but can't make photoresist. Sad. China is 40-50 years of pouring infinite money into R&D away from making a photoresist good enough to make the chips we're already making.
>>541663830>debt too high The only debt that matters is external debt.China virtually doesn't have external debt, meanwhile from the 40 trillion of US debt, 30 are external.China debt is just money given by CCP owned companies.
>>541674916Euv research took 35 years in the west with 40 billion private and subsidized costChina only recently pushed for euv as national critical industry for 7 years, about the same monetary resources however.But I think the bigger takeaway is that, was there another nation trying to do it too?
>>541674916making the lenses will keep them occupied for a very long time. they use metric so they can do it one day. this day will come.
>>541675295True but I suspect that unlike the Americans they can actually pull it off
>>541675295I'm not sure if this is a jab at Chinese or Americans who uses inches.
the problem what imperial has it creates gaps. it does not perfectly line up like the metric system. this is why anglos cant into euv.
>>541673325>America is not the etymological root of USA>Chinese ppl call America beautiful because they think it is beautiful
>>541675249>Euv research took 35 years in the west with 40 billion private and subsidized cost>China only recently pushed for euv as national critical industry for 7 years, about the same monetary resources however.Not just 35 years. By far, the hardest part of the EUV process is the optical and electro-optical technology of Zeiss which took a long time to mature. If you try to map out the full logistical chain of making EUV lithographic machines it spans across components made by hundreds of companies with private IP and a high degree of specialization for each. Some are German, some Japanese, some Korean, some Taiwanese, some American, some British and so on.
>>541675203Chink cope. Chong, external debt holders are the ones exposed in this relationship, tiny cock, dog eating monkey. Meanwhile chinkland is in a deflationary spiral because of internal debt.
this is damning for everything thats very small in size.> These fractions do not cleanly line up with millimeter steps, forcing a choice between a fraction that is slightly too big or slightly too small compared to a target millimeter size (for example, 1/32″ is smaller than 1 mm, while 1/16″ is much larger).
ZEISS, whose mirrors reflect roughly 70% of EUV light. China’s primary optics developer, the Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics (CIOMP), has reportedly managed to push its domestic mirror reflectivity to roughly 65%.problem for them the 5% is all that matters and they dont have 65% even, its a lie off course. its maybe 58 or so or maybe even less. then the entire does not work.when you have the whole machine but your lenses are shit, its unusable.
their light source is also shitty, german trumpf does the lasers. you cant just build something like this. these are hundred years old companies in unison from different countries in eu.
im sure they have parts to reverse engineer but this is not enough. you cant just make sense of this by looking at it. this is where the brightest brains are stuck. off course they put the highest iq scientists on this matter. super brains.
>>541675500End of the day china is prepared to accept not having the cutting edge because they will eventually catch upIndependence and not relying on US controlled supply chains is more important
these are people that figure things out you could never figure out. its all the 140-160 iq. theyre stuck with this since forever decades.
>>541675750they need to be able to do 2nm. maybe the ai figures something out for them but you need to ask the right questions.
>>541675500Yes, everyone who's delved in the topic even superficially knows that the most advanced hardest part of the tech tree, the problematic part is Zeiss's specialized mirrors and optical systems. I don't think the 65% number is an outright lie but a distorted POV as in, maybe, they managed to reach that percentage experimentally but not consistently across production lines.That aside, i sense from your speech the same hubris of Americans who throughout the years kept claiming that X would be the unsurmountable gap. From jet engines to submarines to RAM and CPUs and so on. It's just a matter of time, and they'll get there sooner than you think.
telling the machine to figure all out doesnt work but it can solve a specific problem for you. the user is always the problem.
when ai is this far to solve euv for xina we will be way ahead again because were not sleeping. we have x-many new ideas that the xinese all not have. this is the important part.
>>541663830>Debt is too highEvery superpower on the planet and in history has had uncontrollable debt
>>541675500You're talking about microprocessors or the thickness of the layers of silicon in the mirrors? If you're referring to the former, no, they don't need a 2nm process, if you're referring to the latter, 4nm to 3.5 thick would be enough
where do the ideas come from, its binah. this is not us.
>>541676026>when ai is this far to solve euv for xina we will be way ahead again because were not sleepingThey'll solve EUV before AI becomes an entirely different beast and they're moving at way faster pace than you. In contrast, the marginal gain of each incremental change you make is less substantial than the precedent. They'll get there before you realize.
you call them beaners. there must be a special connection between mexico and israel. have not looked into it maybe some leyline thing or pyramids.
>>541676140theyre faster at keeping up but they never have the idea. this only comes from jewish people and no one else. this is binah.
>>541676140you can sit there waiting until we have a new idea. this is your fate forever.
>>541663830you just described the USA under trump
what is the purpos of printing semi conductors. what is the base.
>>541663830>there debt is too high>canadian flagyou are a JEET
the purpos of printing semi conductors is not your rtx graphics card. you cant look at it this way.
>>541672236You don't think people in your government might want payback? It's a human quality. And I am an American who respects Chinese culture, unlike the white nationalists on this board.>>541672550Look up Tianxia. All Under Heaven to understand China.
with binah its not the obvious off course, the understanding, its the 2nd layer, the connection.
>>541673620https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/canada/canada-election-china-han-dong.htmlLol okay Canada
>>541675900They don't need itIt would be nice to have but you don't NEED it
>>541673417>Vietnam is american pawnGlad you have not found out.
>>541677050under 2nm is garbage. this is what they need.
>>541675431Lol nig cope. External debt of China gets nullified all the time. When evergrande collapsed lots of foreign investments did not get their money back. But, all Chinese investor got apartments. Good luck claiming external debt in Chinese courts.
>>541675403No serious scientific company uses imperial in their internal work anon. In USA, they might write inches in newspaper while doing photo ops, but inside it's all SI units.
china is currenty 7 nanometer. this is absolute garbage off course. they have some 2nm designs but no finished chips.so what are euros working on, this is way more interesting. euros are working towards 1.4 nm and 1nm process. this is a galaxy in difference. they still need 2nm to produce the chips that are interesting.
