Why do cars cost so much when they’re literally just machined steel, plastic, fiber, and some computing? Are expensive cars just a psyop?
>>541675279Because negros buy bmws.
>>541675279cost so much? you can get them for free in Germany, I already have 3
>>5416752791) Regulatory capture 2) cartels 3) pricing power
>>541675335BMW sucks. Only retarded niggers pay money for this.>>541675344But... you don't live in Germany?
>labour costs>profit>taxes
>>541675556>labour costsAI is here and most factories are all automated already>profitFair>taxesThat's cruelty.Cars SHOULD cost less. Manufacturers should just build big 3D metal printers and prints cars.
>>541675688>most factories are all automated alreadyFinal assembly is mostly not automated
>>541675396>BMW sucks.what kind of car should i buy then
>>541675279I already laugh that in Finland cars cost 3 times as much in Germany. If you want to get something you will go to Germany or Poland and drive back home.
>>541675279>Why do cars cost so much government regulation and taxes
>>541675396>BMW sucks.poorfag spotted>Only retarded niggers pay money for this.only retarded niggers eat grapest. fox
German cars are overengineered pieces of shit, but for some reason they are popular with bydlo/chav poorfags, the 10y+ models at least.
>>541675279The grills on the car can't be that big. This is an ai shop, right?
>>541675279Good goyim debt slaves
>>541675279Because BMW produces the best gasoline and electric engines on the market right fucking now
>>541675799A smart car with a Hyabussa swap.
>>541675985it's in style
>>541675799Ford, GM, Audi, Benz and so much other things. 150k for a BMW is just dreadful. Don't think about Jaguars either.
>>541675279Every part down the line has to be checked for quality. Every part has a web of employees and outsourcing behind it which cost money.I work for a body part manufacturer and you have to consider the steel coil has to be produced. So the raw materials have to be produced. Has to be quality checked. Processed into a coil. Quality checked. Pressed into blank. Quality checked. Pressed into part. Quality checked. Put on assembly line to weld with other parts, weld on nuts, etc. Quality checked. Repeat assembly line a few times. Quality checked. Shipped to vehicle manufacturer. Quality checked. Put onto vehicle. Quality checked.Every single one of these quality checks requires multiple people. Each person down the line cost money. Most of these events are done by different companies that all have to always have growing profits. You could greatly reduce cost by going to a tesla production model of injection molding. But because people care about safety you must have quality checks at every stage. You must have traceability of parts made 10+ years ago to track defects. This requires people and storage to track data which is more money. And all of that is considered at every part produced to get a price which eventually is paid for by you.
>>541676057All new cars are designed to break down early. Total scams like new homes.
>>541675279cuz whihte trash vermin don't want to work, so you have to pay them 10x to get 1/100th the work of a strong brown man. That's why china only needs 15k for a 500mile range electric car.
>>541675959150k for a BMW is just straight up robbery. You can get Cybertruck and a Model 3 for that.
>>541675279because we live in a socialist shithole. the EU has a 100% import tariff on chinese cars. which when imported could cost around 15k€ or so. But they cuck you until they cost 35k+
>>541676347>qualityIt's all AI. Migrants aren't needed.>Processed into a coilWord salad>Every single one of these quality checks requires multiple peopleThat's nothing then>But because people care about safety you must have quality checks at every stageAgain. The fucking quality shit again. You're just copy pasting this shit for word count.2/10 bait.
>>541676437>You can get Cybertruck and a Model 3 for that.Teslas are retarded and useless status symbols >inb4 BMW is a status symbol at least it's a standard car
>>541676437tesla is migaboomer coded
>>541676693That's a nigger.
>>541676802Same thing
>>541676623>bmw sucks!>for that money you could get a teslalollmao even
>>541676443All kinds of cars should be capped at 10k USD. Horsepower is fake and gay. No more than that and the profit margin should be capped at 20 percent max.
>>541676989>Horsepower is fake and gayso was your dadwishing your suffering upon others just makes you a spiteful cunt
>>541675279Car enthusiast here with an actual answer.For commodity cars that normal people buy like a Honda Accord or Tesla:Easily 30% of the cost of a new car is going to be government regulation. The catalytic converter can be 10% of the cost of a gas car by itself. Extra technologies like PCB system, Direct Injection instead of port injection, cameras, radar, airbags, etc all add cost and complexity.A direct Injection Engine will net you 1.5mpg more which canake.engines compliant with modern efficiency and emissions requirements but it costs easily 2 grand more in manufacturing costs.For enthusiast cars:Amortization of specialty components costs money. Making an inline 6 cylinder engine with 380 horsepower costs a fuck ton of money. Figuring out how to make it co.pliant with extreme regulation like EURO7 costs even more money. When new regulation is expected and you can only sell that engine for 6 years before it's no longer compliant, that raises the cost even more because now you have to recover costs in 6 years instead of averaging it out over 20 years.
Tesla is worth more than your country you stupid pajeet
>>541675279>Are expensive cars just a psyop?Pretty much and new cars can't even run on waste oil.
>>541677181>new cars can't even run on waste oilRemember when people made biodiesel with waste cooking oil and ran cars? All cars should run on ethanol too. Just replace the rubber joints with steel and it's done.It's crazy people pay 100k for a car and half of the shit in engine itself is petroleum rubber.
>>541677081yep>>541675927whenever you ask /pol/ why, they say 'jews'when mostly they should be saying 'the government'
>>541676693>was not able to foresee 5 minutes into the futureIt says update failed. He updated it in a traffic jam, lmao!
>>541675985no, it's the current retarded fashionthey're trying to appeal to richfag non-whites and their domestic turkish and arab populationthose people like visual excess in everything
>>541676989oh great, another socialist fascist communist retard trying to limit prices and control the marketwe really are doomed
>>541677348it's because he rides pic related and sometimes the bus
>>541677348>limit pricesWhy do you think Chinese cars worth 15k post taxes make better cars than the Bankrupt MW?
>>541675279Regulations
>>541675962Thank you for your input, engineering genius, an extraordinary estonian-russo-finno-uggo multimillionaire mutt. 4cuck /pol/ posters will certainly take notes after your advice.
>>541675344This guy gets it. People buy them and just ditch them in the streets, just help yourself.
>>541675279It is very expensive to manufacture cars. Safety and environmental regulations and taxes contribute to the expense a great deal. Cars would be much cheaper without government regulations and unions.
>>541675279it you think about it, most of the cars run 50kmh in the city, and about 150kmh driving in a straight line between the cities. Yet all I see outside is people waiting in a traffic, in their 300+ HP beasts. Its caused by human nature, cars could be 5 times cheaper if people would allow it.
>>541675279paint alone is like $1k/gallon and the average car takes 1 gallon of base and 1 gallon of clear coat. cars could be cheaper. but they wouldn't look cool, and they would still cost a lot of money, so normalshits wouldn't buy them (go into debt for them.).
>>541676568Fuck off kike retard
>>541675279Cause the plants and people to make them are expensive. Cars are pretty cheap for what you are getting
It's game over when the Chinese EVS come over into the American market, it's only a matter of time. It will be good for the American consumer, not so good for the American government which I don't care about
>>541680552It’ll be bad for consumers in the long run
>>541677304Maybe they're the same? Maybe if you looked at your own government staff the numbers might be similar?
cars are super hard to makeyou couldn't even make one or figure out how toyou are retarded
>>541680607So I am negatively impacted by having access to a cheap car? That doesn't make any sense. Why should I be mad at the Chinese when they are the only ones innovating and producing more?
>>541680647Cheap for now but once they get their claws fixed in and drive out every domestic automaker it will be even worse. Chinese see their business and weapons. Their gov has very tight control of them.
>>541675279precision is costly
Luxury cars are seen as a status symbol by retards, but also offer some comfortable options you do not find in entry level shitboxes, that however is all about to change thanks to China like >>541680552 said, I cannot believe the amount of tech and comfort their vehicles contain for the price, European and American manufacturers have been ripping off the world and their own domestic consumers for far too long
>>541680746That can't happen. They can't provide cars for everyone on the planet they don't have the capacity to do it even though they're doing it right now they still can't meet demand to serve everyone. All the established American German and Japanese car companies aren't going to go out of business overnight just because byd is currently leading
>>541680389>$1k/gallonThat's retail you stupid nigger. It's less than a single cent per gallon.
>>541675799Any Japanese/German pre 2012. Cars peaked in design, reliability and efficiency a decade ago. Now it’s just electronic slop nobody asked for. Ambient lighting, massive touch screens. All crap that costs as much as new car a decade ago. Don’t buy the slop
>>541680804I currently own two, have a 21 Rubicon Wrangler that is pretty nice but I'm thinking about selling it. My beater car is a 2013 Toyota Camry that I've had for quite a while. I have no desire to drop 50 to 80 grand on an overpriced piece of shitI mean yeah nationally it's embarrassing, but if China's the only one innovating in actually producing all these nice cars I be stupid not to buy one
>>541680815You underestimate how violent the Chinese are. The gov will pay for the cars so they are nothing. Once everybody else is gone prices will triple to recoup.
>>541680826>That's retail you stupid nigger. It's less than a single cent per gallon.no it's not. go talk to anyone who works in auto body for a dealership. the OEM cost is what i stated.>t-that's markup!!!!!it's a warranty repair made free to the customer.
>>541680968Then that is the fault of the American government for being incompetent, the national security issue is not my fault. How is a Chinese Auto industry going to physically harm me? If anything it's just a bragging right for them to gloat about that they have gutted in old outdated American car industry that's been ripping people off for decades. My uncle has been a higher up at Ford he recently retired he even told me, you should not care about these corporations they don't care about you. I have no rational obligation to defend an American car company
>>541680954same, I own a shitty peugeot I got as my first car 4 years ago, but I am considering getting one of these Chinese SUVs, they have been selling quite well in here, my eyes are on the Jaecoo J7 (Range rover clone), Deepal S07 (best looking one)or the BYD Seal U (best battery technology on the market)
>>541681119I mean I'm not naive, I know the moment they enter the market there is going to be software restrictions. Probably going to be some custom version of Android that the US government's going to replace in the system. The cars are objectively and National Security concern they could map out roads and key infrastructure in the US going straight to beijing. However from my perspective as a surf in this country, I just want a car to drive around in the Chinese government doesn't care what I do
>>541675279Because it costs money to design and make stuff.
>>541681084You are trading short term gain for long term pain. Same as the boomers before us who said they want immigrants for cheap labor.
>>541675279Modern cars are a mistake
>>541681216I never understood this national security argument, China sells all kinds of tech in the US, including what is perhaps the most invasive device of all, smartphones.China also buys your data from Amazon and all local tech companies in order to sell your more shitso why is it suddenly a problem when it comes to cars, it just does not hold waters, it just feels like an excuse to protect GM and the rest of the American car manufacturers from competition
>>541681267image the cost savings of there being a single car in existence.
>>541681353Big-grilled BMWs will be hailed as classics in the future and you'll be all like "I LIKED THEM ALL ALONG!" when that happens
>>541681353F32 is the last good looking "modern" BMW non M car, and it will not be topped anytime soon
>>541681375Well technically we are in a cold war 2.0 I know it's different from the Soviet days, but to pretend that it doesn't exist is illogical. I'll say this about the Chinese though they are much more civilized than the Russians ever were. It is hypocritical from people that criticize Chinese companies, if you believe in the free market they should be allowed to compete. Americans can't compete because we lack both the talent and the will to actually work, even with China's shrinking population they are still geared to last for decades
>>541675985Correct.Most of what appears to be the grille is a facade and non functional.
>>541675373>>541675279I didn't like beaver teeth at first, but the look very good in some color combos
>>541681353this>>541681482you're not european jeet, and this is clear evidence
>>541681515At minimum, Chinese cars should have an import tax that makes them more expensive than domestic cars. We should also steal IP from foreign countries. I don't understand the value in respecting ip internationally.
>>541681353this image brings the same visceral disgust as seeing like mega gape porn. it's just a violation of all things normal. bmw has lost its way
>>541675688>AI is here and most factories are all automated alreadyThis fucking retard, toppest of keks.
>>541681654>"EWW SO UGLY! WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER BUY THIS?"
>>541677081/thread
>>541681934South Italian nafris are now linking up to build modernist architecture
>>541675279>make car that only lasts 4 years before the engine leaks oil from every gasket. >in case you really, really take care of it and drive at 1500 rpm, the hose clamps, valve covers and timing chain guides are all made of plastic that will break after 5 years
>>541675279You're an idiot. Cars already have tiny profit margins. Yes, it costs a lot to manufacture them.
>>541675335>Because negros buy bmws.You can't afford one can you?
>>541683213Would you want to drive a dodge charger?
Only non-whites drives BMWs, porches, audis, and chargers. You're white, aren't you?
>>541675279You know what's so fucking funny about that carBMW: "Let us design a car for the Chinese market, they loooove big grills"Meanwhile the BYD and Chinesium cars don't have a grille of size, if they even have one.BMW designed their cars to look like rapists for a market that doesn't want them, and now they're stuck making these for years.
>>541677181>new cars can't even run on waste oil.ALL New Diesel cars can use Bio-Diesel (HVO).
>>541675799A Japanese car, or one of the few American cars that doesn't have OTA judaism.
>>541675985I'm afraid it's not AI anon.I first saw one of those rapists in 2022 I think, maybe 2023.It was the single most disgusting thing I saw throughout the whole year.
>>541675279They don't even have a big margin (on each unit).I believe cars have so many gay components and sensors, which are all expensive in themselves, that the assembly cost skyrockets the overall price.
>>541676103it's ugly as fuck. apparently it appeals to the chinese market or something
>>541677304The jews are the ones making the governments regulate this way as they do not want goyim owning engines.
>>541684665>they do not want goyim owning engines.Just like housing, this is a manufactured scarcity to drive up the price. The stupid catalytic converter needs to go.
Bought this for $30k (200k cny)A bit expensive but worth the price imo
>>541675279Because jews print money to buy things instead of adding value to the economy and taking out what they put back into it. Your dollar is plummeting because some billionaire kike wants to grant himself more ownership of the planet and ultimately, we pay for everything they gift themselves through inflation. That's the trick, we're slaves through the dumbest economic scam imaginable.
Yes, cars are what stupid people think "rich people" spend money on.When any idiot can go finance a $60,000 car why in the fucking hell would I want to buy a similar car.Oh yay I can pay cash to look the same as some poser who owes the bank thousands and keeps rolling the loan over onto other cars until it gets repod or he finally pays it at 55.No thanks.>>541683213You clearly know nothing about cars or money.Feel free to respond back with a generic come back calling me poor or telling me how "rich" you are.
>>541676103lmfao that ugly pos will be worth 40% of what it goes for now within 5 years mark my words.You couldn't give me that for free I'd literally turn it down not even worth insuring. I've seen better looking cars from the USSR era.
>>541675279I wish boomers didn't hold onto these like retards.
Premium markup consists of25% tangible material or engineering quality25% fixed costs due to less units produced50% pure "brand value" for ICE cars. the same trick doesn't work anymore for EVs because of chinese price Battle. even hypercars have better value for money. the brand fraction of markup is less than 30%the consoomers financing premium brand cars belong to the best goyim.
>>541675279Jews
>>541676693Nigger was probably stealing it
>>541675279They cost like twice as much now compared to ten years ago. They don't want the masses to have cars.
>>541675775you would be ASTOUNDED at how big Toyota's mirror and door handle facility is.
>>541690299They didn't want the masses having co2 emitting cars. But now they dont want the masses having Chinese electric cars. The elites really are just stupid. Which I wouldn't blame them. If I was an elite id just hang out in resort towns all day. Let the goyim deal with the real world.
>>541690299If you look at cars made before 1999, they have a solid build quality that modern cars can't even touch. Plus they were actually affordable for the average American. GM were truly great. Electric vehicles currently take advantage of a loophole by using government subsidies to bypass restrictions, making the vehicles look cheaper to produce and Model Y is proof of that. Once sodium-ion battery technology goes mainstream, cars will become incredibly cheap.
>>541685885>big dongisn't that some landwind range rover copy with a lawnmower engine?
