New reports suggest that Bobby Sands, the Irish Republican, was in the process of converting to Islam during his hunger strike in HMS Maze.
>>541679662are muslims the new kangz?yu wuz everythang
Imagine starving to death because they keep putting bacon on your baked potato.
>>541679662Wonder if the Irish children are laughing yet
>>541679834https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuLgVReoCA
>>541679662Sands famously wasn't particularly devout. He quite famously got into heated debates with visiting Priests over the morality of his potential death on hunger strike.>>541679810We know what the reasons were, actually. The Hunger Strike was in protest of the revocation of "Special Category Status" which treated imprisoned or interned members of the IRA as criminals rather than war prisoners.The demands of the strikers were:>right to not wear prison uniform>right to not do prison work>right to organise educational+recreational pursuits with other prisoners>right to visits, letters, parcels weeklyThey actually advocated this on behalf of both themselves and other prisoners who were members of the UVF/UDA etc.All 5 demands were granted following the strike. The entire ordeal was very famously a humiliating and very damaging ordeal for the British Government and an enormous boon to the Republican movement. Thatcher does not get enough flak for how badly she botched her stewardship of the Troubles during her time as PM.>>541679834In Belfast, certainly. Some suggest it was a metaphor for "muh socialist 32 county republic" but very famously Belfast has become a much more Irish city since the end of the Troubles with the Unionist vote collapsing.
>>541680167Why are you leaving out that he smeared poo all over himself and the HMP walls. This newspaper is fuckin pathetic its also majority in fucking english.
>>541680224That's called a blanket protest. They began in 1978 after a prisoner was badly beaten by a member of staff; many Republican prisoners smashed up their cells in protest and were then left with nothing but mattresses and shitty blankets. So they decided to cause as much headache and work for the staff as possible as part of their broader protests.The idea being>refuse to wear uniforms (instead only wear blankets)>create as much work and annoyance for the guards by requiring the cells to be constantly emptied and cleaned >refuse to leave the cell for any other reason, once more frustrating guardsFucking with the guards is something the IRA were very good at, which is partly why the "most escape proof prison in Europe" was host to one of the largest jailbreaks in the history of Britain or Ireland, all done by the IRA.
>>541680472I would add to this that the 40+ years of attempts to do some sort of>haha dumb hunger strikersmeme have utterly failed. These men (and many others) are still revered by many as local heroes. I think lots of western countries are upset that they often have to go back nearly a century in order to find true "local heroes" that a community can actually look up to and rally around.There are murals, statues, all sorts of memorials to "the Blanketmen." I think the fact that so many Irish people in the north can rally around Republican leaders makes those who are bereft of relevant political inspirations seethe.
>>541679662>Reports suggest the real reason for Bobby’s starvation was the failure of HMS Maze to provide a halal menu.
>>541679662I wish it was real
>>541680613I wonder if that Iranian Bobby Sands Burger joint sells only halal
>>541680557Nobody cares about some daft paintings on some shithole estate.
Could you go a chicken supper Ya dirty fenian fucker
>>541680688It is real, it’s all coming out.
>>541680706If they're of people that have since lost local relevance, sure. But no anon, people such as Bobby Sands are indeed very revered in their local area and beyond.>>541680688There were some funny religious events during the Troubles, other than Paisley going gigachad and calling the Pope an antichrist to his face.The first Chief of Staff of the Provisional IRA (A devout Catholic born to Protestant parents in London) famously fell out with many in the IRA over his saying of the Rosary at Republican funerals. He included a scathing dismissal of what he called "directionless eurocommunists" and said they were a bunch of LARPing faggots for getting so uppity about someone in the movement being religious.>>541680789>UFF>barely scratched the IRA>famously descended into forever feuds over leaders cucking one another by the 1990sSands did the same shit Gusty Spence did.
>>541680848Source?
>>541680557>These men (and many others) are still revered by many as local heroes.For how long? Maybe one more generation and then they’re painted over.
Do feel free to AMA about the Troubles, especially Ulster Loyalism (I mostly only get IRA related questions, which are fine, but I find both interesting)
>>541680949Irish Republicanism is a very long tradition anon. Long dead Republicans from the 1790s are still commemorated today.The wave of putting up statues to them only started a couple years ago; Belfast City Hall's statue of Queen Victoria is now flanked by two Irish Republican revolutionaries.Sadly the best and brightest in Ulster Loyalism are known by name but bear little relevance on their politics, as the more jingoistic and short-sighted factions of Loyalism became dominant in later years. Everyone knows who Gusty Spence is, but nobody gave a fuck what he stood for, etc.
>>541681074>>541680973>>541680557>>541680472>>541680167fuck off taig>>541680789based
>>541681163I don't think there's a single moment in the Troubles where Loyalist Paramilitaries felt smug against the a seething IRA other than perhaps the first hour or two after Cappagh, anon. Play dolls with wojaks all you like, they just weren't really a problem for the IRA.
>>541681254cope taig
>>541679662It's true. His new name was going to be Kebobby Sandperson
>>541681295>sinn féin are corrupt populist faggotswoah anon you've really blown the lid off this whole thing. next thing you'll say both they and the DUP don't even actually hate each other
Naturally given that it was Jews in England that funded the first Norman Invasion, the Irish aligned with the rival sand people.
>>541681371not an argument
>>541681504>implying Brits don't do the same thing
>>541681295How many times did mad dog get his ass fucked by skelly
>>541681582loyalists dont you div
>>541681504you aren't making one either anon. I could sit here and post about how shinner faggotry is somehow not as on-the-nose as all 3 Unionist parties going on a paid holiday to tel-aviv for a few sheckles, but I won't. Sinn Féin and the DUP are populist fags with no actual principles, you aren't unveiling anything here.
>>541681163>>541681254 yeah the peasants were the ones seething so that went in the SAS and still werent the ones seething, and they still couldn't beat them, but the not the British were seething. They had t he best military and industry and tried to whore themselves so hard in the north side
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>>541681676Anon, what the fuck are you on about?
>>541681254>>541681295The IRA was penetrated to the highest levels by British intelligence, the UDA and associates had a weird number of tranny bangers and drug dealers but that's your brain on Protestantism.ULTIMATELY both sides fucked up making use of criminals to terrorise ordinary people. Nothing was really achieved by two groups, ostensibly Irish, knocking seven bells out of one another.Gerry Adams is a complete liar and Ian Paisley was a cunt, whom even the Queen hated. It's all just porn for Mexican Americans who think they are Irish. The only time anything moved forward is when the violence stopped. The whole conflict is a repudiation of tit for tat sectarian bullshit. Nobody stopped to think maybe God didn't want them knocking seven bells out of one another for hundreds more years.T. Anglo Irish. Catholic. Monarchist (Stuart)
>>541681163you seem upsetGood :-)
>>541681295did one of you faggots get stabbed to death by a rag head and arrested for in in your country, and all the rag head had to do is say you're a fucking dumb racist brit? How do you lose to peasants and think you're the best while your own country is throwing you behind bars? Cope DDEZ nuts you quasi not event a full citizen socialist british faggot. You guys suck. You're lucky those IRA bombs didn't do a little more damage back in the troubles or else you'd beat too. Because you didn't stop the IRA. They decided to stop.
>>541680224that was before he was arrested
>>541681766>ULTIMATELY both sides fucked up making use of criminals to terrorise ordinary peopleEvery single belligerent did this, anon. British Army included.>Nothing was really achieved by two groupsThe IRA were the last to join the fighting, and their campaign was even easier to justify than the original one back in 1919. Loyalists had been killing people since the 1960s, the Civil Rights movement was being violently suppressed, the British Army seemed keen to cosy up with the RUC. The fighting didn't just start over nothing.>The whole conflict is a repudiation of tit for tat sectarian bullshit. No, that simply happened alongside it. Britain also played a role in making things far worse.>Nobody stopped to think maybe God didn't want them knocking seven bells out of one another The Troubles had nothing to do with religion, anon. No belligerent was fighting for God, kekked.
>>541681739nice picture of target practice
>>541682006>patronisingThe general consensus of the Catholic population on the eve of the army coming in was "see I told you her Majesty would protect us, things will calm down now." It was obviously downhill from there and trust completely disintegrated. A lot of guys were unhappy to be there but they were less of a problem than the ones very keen to be there...You didn't address that the IRAs movements were pretty much captured or that both sides made use of fairly obviously sociopathic criminals to conduct terror murders on very loosely affiliated civilian populations of one another's communities.Too partisan to see that the endless escalation is harming the as yet unborn. Best of luck
>>541681739Which one is Jackie Farrell lol
>>541681813>Beidh ár ndíoltas sna roghanna bia iomadúla ar fud na hÉireann
>>541681646fuck off taig>>541681766tradcath LARP cringe>>541681813why do you hate loyalists yet claim them as irish when it suits you?when the riots in belfast you were going on you were claiming the people doing it were gaelic republicans>>541681873fuck off plastic paddy
>>541682394>why do you hate loyalists yet claim them as irish when it suits you?>when the riots in belfast you were going on you were claiming the people doing it were gaelic republicansYou're upset. that's all that I want I will not be answering your fake claims :-)>>541682361You have lost me here
>>541682394I can see why you reject works in lieu of faith you lazy soapdodger
>>541682458I'm assuming paid indian or russianI don't think anyone even thinks taig is an insult unless they're really deep in the whole 'muh ira is real and controls the globe'
>>541682292Anon I promise you I'm not some daft shinner who's blindly devoted to the Provos, I just know the history of the conflict very well. The general consensus categorically was not>see I told you her Majesty would protect us, things will calm down nowThese people were not Royalists, at best the Royal family were akin to celebrities. The cautious welcome of the British Army was on account of the misplaced belief that they had come to deal with the Loyalists and the RUC who had been abusing them for so long. There were also many who resisted their arrival, and the "welcome" did not last very long.>You didn't address that the IRAs movements were pretty much captured The IRA was infiltrated at varying levels of severity throughout the conflict. People always mention this, but it's very retarded given that the South Armagh Brigade may well have been a different organisation entirely to the rest of the Provisional IRA.No anon, I'm not being "partisan" it's just that you have a grasp on the conflict similar to a Labour voting lefty from southern England who reckons he's so much cleverer than the people who actually know what happened kekked
>>541679662well Islam, particularly in prison, serves as a controlled foil adversarial force to Judaism (system default) so Bobby probably got tired of the kike laws, kike manipulation, etc. and overcorrected into Islam. It's a mistake because Islam's very conception was as a false paradigm that Jews could point to as "look they want us all dead" while never acknowledging the chickened Egg that THEY laid by starving the Irish people. Christ is still the only way out. Christ Consciousness. Not a bible or church, but to embody what and who Christ was. Not living as a martyr, like Islam is funneled into throwing their lives away for. And since the resurrection and jubilee old Caananite rituals dont work old magick doesn't work anymore. In the past, Bobby starving for 70+ days would've conjured a magical force or divine intervention. But now all we have is ourselves on the mortal plane.I share a first and last name with one of Bobby's fellows who died in the hunger strike. I'm now older than him by a few years too. It's sobering and many other emotions for me. Even if the thread was just a shitpost; I'm glad Bobby's name was written today.
>>541682513what did the IRA think about adopting the euro? seemed like a bad idea in retrospecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPQi5_Xn9MM
>>541682512I'm not a very ideological person, I don't make a big claim of my Irishness or my Englishness. I don't play the you don't fit in here / must be a bot game. I argue in good faith like a well meaning autistic cunt until the other person eats their own leg out of boredom. I call this "Turing's Testudo" Please tell me you detected the self deprecation
>>541682512russians are le badof course the taig is a ukraine supporting nafo spastic>>541682443because you cant answer them
>>541682688So long as you seethe, I will be happy>>541682673I consider you as a person If you pick a side
>>541682513>best the Royal family were akin to celebrities.Much better way to describe it but let's not pretend that all Irish people of a certain generation don't have that weird schizophrenia of never being able to forgive the English while obsessively watching Royal Events in secret and cooing "ah it's herself and doesn't she just look lovely" loollllThanks for signing off with being a little more patronising
>>541682672The IRA were anti-EU, believing it was a retarded ponzi scheme for Euro bankers and a shield against any actual good politics for the working class. Sinn Féin's initial social+economic program during the initial phase of the Troubles would include:>Both Northern Ireland+Republic of Ireland dissolved>Replaced with a federal Republic (devolved Ulster government to keep Unionists chill)>Entire economy framed around self-reliance and avoidance of too much investment in Dublin lest it lead to neglect of the rest of IrelandModern Sinn Féin (aka, post-Troubles SF) were anti-EU until Britain became anti-EU at which stage they switched over to being pro-EU, because they're populist fags.
>>541682745brits live in taig heads rent free
>>541682837>screams taig non stop>it thinks Irish people careContinue seething
>>541682745I live in Australia raised by an English Protestant grandma who adored the Catholic church but would never join it. She insisted we were baptised Catholic like all of the children of the Irish family she married into. We grew up with total reverance for the Queen, total cultural Anglophilia while being avowedly Catholic and in contact with Ireland.Ultimately Ireland will likely reunite as a matter of demographics. Doesn't matter what you think of me
>>541682789>all Irish people of a certain generation don't have that weird schizophrenia I think it's blown out of proportion. The only people with any ACTUAL animosity (rather than just wink-wink nudge-nudge "hatred" akin to England v France) are those in the North, and it's absolutely justified in that case. But yes, you are right that many of them still tuned into watch the Royals. Obviously less so as the Troubles went on but for many they were just celebrities and these big events in somewhere semi-familiar to them drew crowds. I do apologise if I come off as defensive or patronising, I'm an autist with how I type, but I think the dismissive tone in your first post just came of as typical foreign drivel about this place.You should have a gander at this site for loads of really interesting stuff from Republican History, from the Troubles and beyond.>https://republicanarchive.com/>>541682885I miss when it was always "fenian", we used to lap it up
>>541682989The more recent history is not my era to be fair. I defer to you.Seventeenth century on the other hand...just put s buckle on my hat and call me Goodhusband
>>541683105Also a huge fan of it. Read and written heaps on the Catholic Confederation, likewise the plots between O'Neill and the Crown of Spain prior. I would say my expertise is on more modern stuff but I'm never unhappy to meet a fellow post-flight-of-the-earls-forever-war enjoyer
>>541683183The plug bayonet ruined everything lol
>>541682885you literally seethe over the term british isles lmao
>>541683230They have been renamed the Paedoph Isles
>>541683230Nope, stay seething :)>>541682989>I miss when it was always "fenian", we used to lap it upI remember being like 12 and playing I think call of duty or something and some cunt from NI called me that and spent like 30 minutes explaining to me why I should be offended and got upset when I said I didn't care about the six counties
>>541683308cope
>>541683344What do you actually want me to say?Lie to you and say 'oh yes please mr. king whoever, sir I beg, counties back'Literally not one person who matters in life gives a fuck.Keep them.
>>541683385we will be keeping them i know mate
>>541683407I don't understand you>haha sinn fein tranny and nigger loversK>haha ummm taigK>lol TAIGK>LOL U MAD TAIGK>LOLZ BRITISH ISLESK>LOLZ WE OWN THEMK keep them?>HAHAHA YA STAY MADlike, help, seek it.Please.
Isn't this the guy who covered in poo his whole cell during the hunger strike?
>>541683458It's like a lot of the retads who get hard for the IRAMost of them think 'lolz fuck da brits' when in fact the IRA and supporters were utter terrorists
>>541683407It's hilarious how you fight over shit like this. Then you go look up someone like Edward I... grandmother... Queen Maude of Scotland. You're all fucking related! James II related to King Billy. You'll all be drinking camel milk before you figure your shit out
>>541683582The funny thing is as much as the government is trying to force in niggers, I still don't see it as bad as London with niggers and mudslimesYetGetting there. Give it another 2-3 years and we go from streets in Dublin being nigger only to full on villages being niggers only
>>541683726Is pic related true? Because that's as bad as London
>>541683855Yes but the city centre is literally a shithole and if you want to live t here you're paying like 3-4 times the price of the surburbsDCC has always been a shithole since the tenements were done
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>>541683500>in fact the IRA and supporters were utter terroristsBAAAAAWING over it as if it isn't how Ireland became a country. Very silly stuff anon.>>541683458Yes, see >>541680472
>>541683963Inaccurate. A Jew named Boris Johnson did that unilaterally. Brits never asked for it.
Only things the IRA did wrong were get infiltrated by mi5, and stop fighting. I wish they kept going until every orange bastard was in hell with Mountbatten and the rest of the cunts.
>>541684006kek
>>541684874>simply don't get infiltrated bro>just somehow have a decentralised command but also keep a close eye on every volunteer brokekkedThe Provisional IRA may have had far better ordinance than the IRA of the revolutionary era but they did indeed falter on the counter-intelligence front.
A Yank wants to know... Who were the good guys in all of this? Who to this day are the pro native white only/ not commie/ non judeo christian group?
>>541688462>Who were the good guys in all of thisSounds like a reddit answer but there just weren't any.The main paramilitary factions of the Troubles are thus:>Provisional IRAThe most "traditional" Irish Nationalist paramilitary. Still socialist, but rejecting "Marxism" in favour of Irish Republican nationalism and military defiance against Britain.>Official IRAThe Marxists, who believed in moving away from violence and toward building a marxist movement in Ireland.>UVF/UDA/Other LoyalistsLess of a strategy than the Republicans, they simply didn't want any concessions to the Irish. If there's a "bad guy" it's probably the UDA/UFF, who spent most of the conflict just shooting random civilians.You will not find an Americanised faction here; the Ulster Loyalists are certainly the most "right wing" but Ulster Unionism as an ideology has mostly always been about hating the micks and not much more-they are the most conservative/right wing people in Ireland but also worship Israel. Basically your best hope is:>Pro-IrishProvisional IRA, on the basis of being the least Marxist and the most straightforward in their motivation; defend their people, take the fight to the guys terrorising them. Mostly prior to the 1980s takeover by the faction lead by Gerry Adams.>Pro-BritishUVF, particularly in Gusty Spence's era. After he got sidelined it joined the UDA in getting a bit zany.
>>541688180The ira are niggers thoughThey forgot about eliminating catholics
>>541688812>The ira are niggers thoughThe name Brendan "the dark" Hughes isn't literal, anon. >They forgot about eliminating catholicsThe Catholic Church has indeed been a historical enemy of the IRA but ultimately the church infrastructure was useful as mediators between the IRA and the authorities. Alec Reid a good example.
