If Ukraine had joined NATO in 1999 or 2004, would Putin have launched his Special Military Operation in Ukraine?
>>541681965yes
>>541681965If Ukraine hadn't signed onto to the Budapest Memorandum and didn't denuclearize, Russia wouldn't have invaded.
>>541681965Probably not.Eu would also still get cheap oil/gas.That's a general outcome of how shitty western international politics is - ignore problem until it erupts then raise taxes and try to put fire off with CASH.On the other hand zionists can steal from said cash a lot
>>541681965yesand there was no chance it would have joined NATO then because the people were not supportive of it.and most still aren't.
>>541682036the nukes were ukrainian to begin with, the ukraine did not denuclearize, they never had them. the ukraine broke neutrality by trying to join nato. also they broke the minsk agreements and didnt stop their little civil warthe endrussia is lawfully in the ukraine
>>541682706the nukes weren't *also the ukraine didn't vote to join in a union with russia in 1991 , they voted to gain independence from the soviet union, like every single other republic voted on, if you're gonna post some stupid shit next
If Taiwan developed nuclear weapons there would be no risk of Chinese invasion
>>541682706Ukraine did have nukes prior to the Budapest Memorandum, in fact they had the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal. It doesn't matter that those nukes were originally owned by the Soviets - if they had kept them and not denuclearized modern Russia wouldn't have dared to invade them.
>>541683033retarded post by a retardthanks for muddying the waters
>>541681965yes, people were debating this since 1996 retardbut suddenly in 2014 the debate stopped
>>541683033and cuba keeping soviet nukes, same for you faggot mutt
>>541681965no
>>541681965No, the only reason why Russia was """okay""" with Ukraine joining NATO was because they had seen Ukraine as a trojan horse for NATO and an asset for them to spy on NATO and to influence it. The realtionship between Russia and Ukraine was still vastly different at that time and Russia had alot more influence on Ukraine.
>>541681965They probably would have provoked Russia regardless. Being in NATO would have made Ukrainians more emboldened. Being encouraged to be radical nationalists by GAYTO wouldn't have helped.Just like Poland but right next door.
>>541683825cuba =/= jewkrainePressuring an almost teeny tiny island vs fucking with a mid sized almost landlocked country sandwiched between multiple superpowersSeething jelly faggot viking at huwite burgers
>>541683418>Basic history is "muddying the waters"
>>541681965No.
>>541684539>some shit you made upThey were soviet nukes buddy, they were set up to be completely under Soviet authority. As anon already noted, if they didn't denuclearise voluntarily Russia would've forced them to.
>>541682036the ukraine never had nukes. there were russian nukes left on their territory after the collapse of the soviet union, but the arming and launching codes were on moscow. the ukraine simply returned russian property to its rightful and lawful owner. now russia is coming for the rest of its property
>>541684902those nukes were made in the 50s 60s russia was created in 1993
>>541684902most of ussr industry base was in ukraine
That's a good question. Would have been dumb not to quite honestly.
>>541684646Russia wouldn't have invaded if Ukraine retained the nukes under their possession. The only reason Russia invaded now is because Ukraine denuclearized with the Budapest Memorandum
yes
>>541681965moot question since russian agents governed Ukraine at the time so it would've only been possible if it coincided with an overthrow of the KGB Siloviki regimebut no, rhetorically speaking, he wouldnt've
Probably notBut Ukraines leadership at the time weren't keen on the idea for a couple of reasonsUkraine was still massively reliant on Russia economically and for machinery. Like a lot of former soviet states the existing ties ran deepSo anything that created friction there was a huge economic riskThey still ran on the idea that Ukraine could profit as a middleman between Russia and the west
Probably because NATO still would have installed a Jewish puppet leader like zel and the Jewish puppet leader, like zel, would have bombed his own citizens for a decade, like zel did.The result would have been the same.
>>541681965he would probably just nuke themhe was different back then
>>541681965>If Ukraine had joined NATO in 1999 or 2004They did. Ukraine doesn't exist. It's a NATO/US/ German/ UK military poligon to start another world war against Russia. Which they did. >If Ukraine had joined NATO in 1999 or 2004, would Putin have launched his Special Military Operation in Ukraine?Yes , the "ukraine" was a NATO war territory to start a war against Russia. It was a matter of time WHEN Russia would recognize that Ukraine is being loaded with the military men and gear, and would start to retaliate. Nato nazis/ stazi during ww2 started the war first in July 1941 , by having a massive army that crossed Russian border. It was just a matter of time before NATO nazis would start another world war against Russia this time . A question was , will Russian military and military intelligence recognize this, and start preemptively destroying NATO army in "ukraine" , or not.>they did
>>541683033They were paid 2 billion for the nukes and gladly took the money Faggot shill
>>541683033>Ukraine did have nukes prior to the Budapest Memorandum, in fact they had the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal. It doesn't matter that those nukes were originally owned by the Sovietshow fucking stupid are you?The nukes cannot be launched by Ukraine even if Ukrane kept them. All the codes were in Moscow's hands, because these nukes WERE NOT ukrainian. They were Soviet. All nukes in USSR were created and managed, as well as launched by the central authorities in Moscow.If you unironically think that nukes can be launched by someone who physically is in their possession, you need to go back to kindergarten.The only reason CIA and USSR/Russia didn't want Ukraine to have nukes - was to ensure tech doesn't fall into bad actor hands like Iran
>>541690005stop acting like nukes are just some toy you can use just because you possess itcountries who possess nukes have a very complex interconnected web of systems that regulates their use and armingUkraine had zero control over the nukes that were on its territory
>>541690128No, hohols and hohol jews, like Zelensky. Are BAD HANDS. Russians knew this all along , besides these were russian engineers created nukes. You want a guy with nukes to blackmail you for more billions of $, like Zelensky is doing?
>>541690412it's not how it works
>>541682706I agree the nukes belonged to Ukraine
>>541690824It is how it works. >give us more billions>no >right now zelensky is throwing a tantrum and leaving>if he had nukes: give us more billions or we'd nuke youwould be a nuclear terrorist.
