Why didn't communism catch on in Germany like it did in Russia?
>>541705890Germans need to be told what to like.
>>541705890It did somewhat. Nazi party was literally 50% communist.
>>541705890the german left used military power against themt
If you're taking about failure of Berlin revolution in 1919, that was because everybody could see what was going on in Petrograd and nobody wanted that in Germany as well.
>>541705890It did actually but the SPD was too powerful
>>541705890Freikorps and later the Nazis stopped the communists before they could gain momentum. Russia downplayed the communists at multiple opportunities before the revolution and showed them mercy in the form of being exiled when in reality they should have been shot on sight
>>541705890The nazi party was pretty much communsim + racism.
>>541706201socialism with german characteristics
this nigga never heard of east germany
>>541705890Because the Germans kicked the communists out
>>541706201This, its laughable trying to find much of a meaningful difference between Strasserism and National Bolshevism.
>>541706347>catch onnot occupied
>>541705890communism in 2026 is associated with trannies and faggots.
>>541705890>Why didn't communism catch on in Germany like it did in Russia?Because the Germans literally killed the Jewish commies in a war.
>>541705890I'm still haunted by the fact that those niggas ATE each other.
because some of the boys said "nuh uh"
>>541706201This, basically what China is today. You go there and you feel like you're in Nazi Germany except everything is Chinese. Highly nationalist. Chinese flags hanging in every train station. Everything modern and clean. Zero tolerance for any crime whatsoever. And they keep Jews and foreigners out of positions of influence.
>>541706201>"Why," I asked Hitler, "do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?">"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.>"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.https://famous-trials.com/hitler/2529-1923-interview-with-adolf-hitler
>>541706201>>541706666Communism is not Nationalist. It is anti-Nationalist by definition.
>>541706059>If you're taking about failure of Berlin revolution in 1919, that was because everybody could see what was going on in Petrograd and nobody wanted that in Germany as well.Most people have no idea what you are referencing because it's never taught in 'history' classes. One of the main reasons that it worked in Russia but not in Germany is that the Russians were uneducated peasants, and the Germans were moderately well educated middle class.
>>541705890oh no, what happened to her. all kikeress wanted was turning germany into a second bolshevist hell on earth. sad.
>>541706100>Russia downplayed the communists at multiple opportunities before the revolution and showed them mercy in the form of being exiled when in reality they should have been shot on sightYes. This needs to be a lesson to NEVER leave enemies alive in your rear areas. See Clausewitz.
>>541706666Based and hetero
>>541705890> Why didn't communism catch on in GermanyThen it would he successful. Russia was the worst place to try communism. Even mass repression did not help. In Germany it would have gone smooth, they are fucking collectivism machines.
>>541706347>this nigga never heard of east germanyeats Germany was communist because the Soviets (Russians) invaded it, retard.
>>541706944just think about, there were many different governments in Germany but never ever any dissident or non-conformist movements. They would fucking build communism for real.
>>541706803It's also anti-authoritarian by definition but that's never stopped anybody
It did, always was, still is. Nothing changes. Only the illusion "very strong delusion" of change....for a time. In the mind's eye. "People" don't know anything for the most part. It is carefully engineered to be that way, and "people" will lose greatly. As before, as now. Even you Hitler lovers don't know a damn thing. Those are the most simple, ignorant British in mindset and mental capabilities. The brown shirts, that will be mobilized and will kill their own country men for the smallest of gratuities by their leaders they are beholden to. It's coming. Nobody gets it. It's all so fucking brainless.
>>541705890Because Poland stopped it from reaching Getmany from Russia.
>>541705890But it literally did. Bavarian Socialist Republic. Bremen.
>>541705890They killed or imprisoned the communists(kikes) that tried to take over
Meant - brutish... Very important that is understood. Which it won't be.
>>541706201>The nazi party was pretty much communsim + racism.Are you even aware of how stupid you are, or do you just stumble through life thinking "I am a person, not a primate that lost its hair"?Communism is a scheme to sell Jewish oligarchy to the useful idiots marketed as Equality™. Jews believe they are destined to own everything on earth and have the goyim as slaves. The Talmud prophecies state that this will occur when their messiah arrives. Christianity denies this, which is why they hate Jesus and Christians so much. >The Jewish people taken collectively will themselves be their Messiah. Its reign over the Universe will be achieved by the unification of the other human races, the abolition of frontiers and monarchies, which are the bulwark of particularism, and the establishment of a Universal Republic which will recognize everywhere the rights of citizens to the Jews. >In this new organization of Humanity, the sons of Israel, spread from now on over the whole surface of the globe, all of the same race and of the same traditional formation without, however, forming a distinct nationality, will become without opposition the leading element everywhere, especially if they succeed in imposing on the working masses the stable leadership of some of their number. >The governments of the Nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat. Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who will administer the public fortune everywhere. In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world. > Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx. https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism https://archive.is/wV8ayJesus wasn’t a modern day Talmudic kike.
>>541706975exactly, and in comparison to Russia they had zero dissidents. That shit would still be going on if not forcefully cancelled by external circumstances
>>541705890It did. And they supported the Nazis. The Soviets funded the KPD whose slogan was "after Hitler, our turn." Simultaneously, the Soviets decried the SPD as "social fascism."
>>541707215communism is a feudal system with a retarded 100% tax rate, if you mechanically see it this way you can game it out
>>541707033>just think about, there were many different governments in Germany but never ever any dissident or non-conformist movements. They would fucking build communism for reaCommunism doesn't work because of human nature. Even the rule following and instinctively group oriented Germans would fall victim to sociopath politicans. Communism only works in small communities like the kibbutz because there is social pressure to work together. >mass shooting = 25 dead >gun control = 262,000,000 dead Firearm ownership by citizens is to resist government tyranny, which is far more dangerous statistically than random crazy shooter. In the 20th century, governments killed 262 million of their OWN citizens. Not including war. That’s like 10 million school shootings. Or 273 school shootings per day, every day, for 100 years. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
>>541706975Germany had never a revolution, just think about it.
>>541707498> Communism only works in small communities like the kibbutz because there is social pressure to work together.Social pressure is exactly it. Now imagine a kibbutz but on a scale of country, and you get Germany.
>>541706825I mean Germany and Russia has two completely different economies. I wonder how it would turn out in a first world country instead of some back water shit hole.Guess we'll never know.
>>541707498If in USSR people were snitching on you for benefits, like they wanted to move in your flat and send a letter to kgb that you listen to some couter-revolutionary shit or have some forbidden book, so you would go to gulag and they apply for your flat. In Germany people snitch on you for fun, just fucking because. Not only in Germany, but in europe communismwould work much better then in russia, which extremely anti social place.
>>541707529>Germany had never a revolution, just think about it.germany did, hitler rose to power because of it in the place where it happenedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrQCZ_03LuA
>>541707739Marx said that communism will be implemented in advanced capitalist countries because it is a jump forward from capitalism.Look how it went.
>>541707479>communism is a feudal system with a retarded 100% tax rate, if you mechanically see it this way you can game it outUntil the oligarchs/aristocrats decide to put you in a gulag.
>>541705890Russians are quite a bit dumber.
>>541707529>Germany had never a revolutionlol. They literally had a communist revolution in 1918, but the commies lost. It's also why the Germans lost WW1. Because the commies started a revolution while the military was fighting a world war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_revolution_of_1918%E2%80%931919
Bismarck and the Kaiser were smart and made some concessions to german labor movementsRussia was way more backward than any European country in this respect, and every time a tsar tried to modernize he got assassinated.
>>541706666then you take 2 steps outside of their LED infested city and see mudshuts and chinks eating wild animals
>>541706005why don't the nu-nazi know this fact.>I love Hitler!>what, read his words, huh?>ain't nobody got time for that
>>541707215Why don't you just go ahead and neck yourself, buddy.
>>541705890They're two very different solutions to the same problem: class warfare.Leninism was the lower class winning but in reality just being useful idiots (exactly what they always were). It was an ideology that told poor and dumb people that they're actually like god or some shit.Meanwhile Volksgemeinschaft was more like a racial concession, the wealthy classes retained their private property and promised basically to finance their own race.It would have failed even if they didn't lose the war. Every socialist nation needs to become aggressively capitalist to survive and compete.If a maoist country like china can recognize that we might as well just accept it as a natural fact that communism never works, and socialism always stagnates.It was western capitalists and economists who helped china because the superpower it is today. The fastest economic growth ever seen. They're the only country that holds a candle to the united states which is a decaying geriatric country that think Kabbalah will beat math.
>>541705890german culture was just too orderly for such radical changes
>>541708859The Russian peasants didn't give one shit about any of that, they were desperate and starving and chose the only viable alternative that was offered after all the others were suppressed. That's the problem with cornering a dog, and it's what the west risks if it continues to laugh at the increasing wealth disparity we see today.Meanwhile China today is a national socialist country. Yeah, they've got private businesses and profit, but so did Germany. The difference between them and America is that their government exerts absolute supremacy over business. They're a veto against any actions they deem to be hostile to China. Meanwhile our companies openly collude with foreign powers and do everything they can to undercut America. No loyalty at all, just profit. The state may as well not exist, it's only an extension of corporate power.
>>541707623>Now imagine a kibbutz but on a scale of country, and you get Germany.No. you'd get an oligarchy just like the Soviets. The closest you'll ever get to fairness and equality is to have very small limited government, and then have local communities that work together and provide for the needy. The Amish do it well because of their Christian moral framework. They give and protect as part of the religious doctrine. If someone's barn burns down, the community will come together and build them a new barn. When a young couple gets married, the community will get together and build them a house and barn. It's important to note that it's all volunteer monetary contributions and work. This is completely different than the government taking resources from you at gunpoint then doling out money to their cronies and some scraps to the needy.
>>541708835>Why don't you just go ahead and neck yourself, buddy.Why are you so angry? Is your dilator hurting again?
>>541705890Whats the description say?
>>541707402>exactly, and in comparison to Russia they had zero dissidents.Have you read about the Stasi and the horrors? Who do you think they were killing and torturing? The dissidents. https://www.wired.com/2010/10/phillip-lohoefener/https://www.historyhit.com/the-stasi-the-most-terrifying-secret-police-in-history/
Because Germany had many rich people, industrialists, land owners and aristocrats who payed national socialists to heavily repress communist thought in this bitch ass country to protect their wealth and power. There were several communist newspapers, parties who rallied against the NSDAP, communist leaning corporations etc.
>>541709353>Whats the description say?The text written in Russian at the bottom of the image reads:"TPУП POЗЫ ЛЮКCEMБУPГ, ИЗBЛEЧEHHЫЙ ИЗ ГOPOДCКOГO КAHAЛA БEPЛИHA"Translated into English, it means:" The corpse of Rosa Luxemburg, recovered from the city canal of Berlin."
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>>541709655>rosa luxemburgvery popular name of the streets in russia, almost as frequent as lenin’s statues, but almost no one nowdays have any idea who she was
>>541706803Then how come le ebul commie Pol Pot went around re-educating chinks and viets and killing those that insisted on speaking chinese?
SHOWER THOUGHT: If I was still in college and had to write a paper on a political or historical subject, I'd just start a thread on /pol/ on a weekend afternoon and the conversation would include all the various perspectives with a large amount of source material. The paper would be written by the pol_hivemind.
>>541709061No we just love trains so much, we are incapable of dealing damage to trains or train stations.
East Germany was communist.It was only through reunification with West Germany, that the capitalism introduced by the West outstripped communist ideology.Furthermore, when given the alternative to western policing and judicial systems, vs. the East German Stasi, the average civilian much preferred it.Living through zersetzung vs. a degree of relative freedom is a dramatically huge change
>>541710207the average GDR civilian was literally a stasi informant
Just like paper is not yours crypto/cbdc will not be yours. You have zero ownership. $1 is toilet paper, do you own it, really?Klaus schwab's father ran the gulag side of the system. The "killing parts".Do you know who and what Klaus is up to? Would it be fair to say the cbdc would be under him. You can buy a 3rd world uninspected 1pound uncooked weight cjd steak for $15 u.s now or rent to own a Mexican made truck for $80,000 and compete for employment "soon food", benefits, with the 3rd world brought into your own countries against everyone's will and fired/imprisoned/killed if you do or don't obey commands.
>>541709774That's what they think of peasants. They want them gone. The "workers". It's a thing, never gets old. Here we go.
>>541710207Merkel, Putin....can draw straight lines. Most people can't even think in one.
>>541709187You're correct and they actually do know what a cornered dog is and that's why they're trying to kill the white man.Westerners especially americans have been turned into lazy comfort seekers. The ruinous end won't come because they won't act, they cannot act. They're like a neutered animal.That is to mean the white race already ended.The west was already conquered.The high energy risky requirements for change have become impossible.Society is basically just a nigger zoo to these people so they can feel like gods.
>>541708859>It would have failed even if they didn't lose the war. Probably not. Communism is uniquely bad. Authoritarian rule tends towards kleptocracy and stagnation butcapitalism tends towards absolutely short termism and loading externalities onto the masses until everything breaks.Currency and banking now that is an interesting discussion.
>>541705890>Why didn't communism catch on in Germany like it did in Russia?What do you think their Nazism was?Two capitalist nations could fight each other, why do you think two communist nations wouldn't fight each other? Nazism is just a different way to express the same idea.
>>541706407One is based and the other was created specific to further jewish interests.
>>541706201"Mussolini From Marxist to Nationalist Collectivist""If the 19th century was the century of the individual, we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century," wrote Benito Mussolini. He began his career as an ardent Marxist, even editing a socialist magazine. However, World War I and his perceived failure of Communist internationalism to galvanize workers led him to reconsider. Rather than abandoning collectivism, he sought a unifying force stronger than class: nationalism. In The Doctrine of Fascism, he argued that "the nation has not disappeared," emphasizing that class distinctions obstruct true unity: "Class cannot destroy the nation. Class reveals itself as a collection of interests, but the nation is a history of sentiments, traditions, language, culture, and a race; it is a spiritual community."Mussolini criticized socialism, not for its collectivist nature, but for its inability to unify all segments of society. He described Fascism as an ideology that subsumed the individual into the state:Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual Fascism reassertsThe rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual.... The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value."https://mises.org/mises-wire/nazism-fascism-and-communism-warring-sons-common-father>>541706731>cope
>>541709918Zelensky did the same except Russians "he did as instructed by the script". Was funny before his s-election, he'd go on t.v touting unity and togetherness with Russian speakers in Ukraine and how "they are all one and stronger together" Then gets in and bombs the shit out of donbass etc, but that was the plan. Otherwise him and Putin teaming up against Ukrainian and Russian slaves wouldn't have been a believable endeavor. Mobile incinerators Ukraine. Key words. Ever seen that before? I seen mobile gas chambers before... Who did that hmm? Time to grow up people "they won't" ever.
I hope Mark epstein,ghislane pictures, friends Carney bombs the everliving shit out of the Quebecois for speaking french in this country! Every last one! Do you see. Like that. Bomb anyone not speaking English for that matter here. Like Ukraine + bring on Immigrants.makes sense.It was the premise to accomplish/set in motion this milieux "that has a set clear defined goal that everyone "all sides" are in agreement with" and will not stop until it is accomplished. There are actually many goals in action from that and other things right now. Many. You will see. Yourselves.You could say those cakes are baking nicely. Many cakes. Not to your benefit of course, quite the opposite. Of course. The "course"
>>541710947Meant slavs. Why is it autocorrect always puts slaves hmm? Why is that.
>>541705890It was. Class consciousness and socialist ideals was growing among the German working class. The National Socialist German Workers Party didn't create those sentiments, it hijacked them an led the people to the path of ruin. Even the color of their flag was chosen to appeal to Marxists.
>>541706201>The nazi party was pretty much communsim + racismNo. National Socialism was a reactionary anti-communist movement. Opposing communism was their raison d'être. They'd be the first to tell you they're not just commies + racism.There are lots of similarities. The differences, being few, are all the more significant. One fundamental difference is Hitler did not seize the means of production. He respected the private property of the wealthy industrialists and their right to profit from the war effort.
>>541706803Just call it National Communism and it isIts literally called Communism with Chinese Charateristics is no longer internationalism
>>541712343>He respected the private property of the wealthy industrialistsThe Nazis removed the right to private property in the Reichstag fire degree and Ernst Junkers got kicked out of his own factory as it was taken into full Nazi control after Junkers refused to do as ordered. How is this respect of private property?The only way industrialists could exist in Nazi Germany was by giving over their property to de facto Nazi control.
>>541712622>Ernst JunkersHugo*
>>541712343He respected the private property of the wealthy industrialists :>When the Nazis gained control of the German government in 1933, Junkers opposed their goal of re-armament. They responded by demanding ownership of all patents and market shares from his remaining companies, under threat of imprisonment on the charge of high treason. He was placed under house arrest in 1934 and died on the 3rd of February 1935 (his 76th birthday) after a visit from Nazi officials.
>>541706912the german left put the commies down with military force, friedrich ebertdid a seminar at a facility named after him ages ago in wuppertal
>>541705890Strong national/ethnic/cultural identity.
>>541705890>>541706825I piss on her grave.
>>541712622>>541712673An exception to the norm. The vast majority of German industry remained privatized: Krupp, Rheinmetall, IG Farben, Siemens, Dalmer-Benz. If Hitler were just a communist, he would have seized all the industry, or the strategic and military industries at least. When Reich needed arms, instead of just making them in state factories, they did the MEFO bill scheme and borrowed money from the industrialist (with interest), to hand the money right back to them to make the arms (with profit). If Nazi's were communist, those extra steps wouldn't have been necessary. They did that because they are proudly not commies.
Let me show you the financing. Go from ther plebs. When you're this big, you get what you want, how you want it.
>>541705890Communism is a rebellion against God, It's the inversion of everything that's human nature. ''If i can invert everything that God created, then i'm god myself''. Leftist are all troons that hate marriage and the family unit, they want to make everything gay and kill your children. There was once a war in the heavens, they lost and now they're here amongst us and they operate amongst savage retards like the russian hemisphere of the world against the Christian half of the world.
>>541713913Mhmm?
I also should note they get to write the books, make the media, burn the books "destroy them" write the history whether true or not and run the education system and choose to ommit or include things "modifying things if included too". Most know what they know from a carefully engineered system to keep them, there.
Wasn't loomer friends with both Putin and zelensky
>>541706666USSR under Stalin was highly nationalistic, flags in everywhere, modernized infrastructure, etc. That doesn't make either the USSR or Communist China National Socialists, nor does it make National Socialists communists.Like Hitler said >"Communism and National Socialism have nothing in common except the word ‘socialism'."The things that distinguish NS from Communism are precisely why the CPC aren't just Nazi's larping as commies. At the core of Nazi ideology is the German Volk and the explicit superiority of the German race, which entitles them to engage in conquest for the sake of Lebensraum.Nazi's were warmongers because it's an explicitly stated goal of the ideology.The CPC has nothing like that in their ideology, and their peaceful behavior reflects that. Even the racial concept of the Volk isn't directly applicable. Contrary to what /pol/ believes about China being a Han ethnostate, the country comprises tons of different ethnicities with hundreds of languages. It's not like Germany in the 1930's.
R. I. P. WHITE RACE
>>541714189the Russian ykd surrounded US presidents as WW2 was building up, they wanted America to abandon the UK as an allie because of muh colonialism. The same old shit they hit us all with today.
>>541713913>Leftist are all troons that hate marriage and the family unit, they want to make everything gay and kill your children.Western liberals have nothing to do with communism. Why are they the representatives in your mind when there's 1.5 billion people China, Vietnam, and Korea that are actually living in Communist countries, that their parents and grandparents fought a revolution for. Leftoids in the west are all freaks by design. The most deranged ones are elevated with professor jobs and platforming to well poison and make the left as repulsive as possible to working class people.
>>541715904>liberals"Liberal" does not mean leftist. Liberals support private property, negative rights, and personal freedom. Leftists are egalitarians who believe everyone is fundamentally equal, and the only differences are due to the successful guy cheating (loser envy).
