America is finally banning all lithography sales to China and also banning ASML from doing maintenance on the ones china already has. This will completely shut down China's semiconductor industry. DUV lithography machines need constant maintenance, or they will shut down within weeks. Without any new machines and with their existing DUV machines useless due to lack of maintenance, we will see total collapse of China's semiconductor industry within months. By next year, China will no longer be able to make chips smaller than 90nm, 20 years behind the cutting edge. And china is still decades away from domestic DUV or even EUV lithography. In less than a year, China will be less advanced than India and forever lose the A.I race. And of course, their entire economy will be also be done for. China is finally finished for good
>>541709723If the USA has the balls to do this, what's stopping China from bumming off of other Asian players, or Russia? I'm familiar with silicone wafer lithography, but am not familiar with the logistics of the markets involved with it.
>>541709723Because that worked so well with GPU
>>541709723>"US may push.....">Memeflaggot says, "America is finally banning....."
>>541709723if the us invested as much time, money, and manpower into fixing the reasons we are falling behind china instead of these kind of games we'd be much further along than we are, the reality is the competency crisis and hr hiring practices have gutted the united states, the culture war completely rotted us out and now a unified country like china obviously caught up and started to surpass us, we're over here arguing about if biological men should be in womens bathrooms with children or not, china was improving the lives of chinese people and they closed the gap on us quickly without us knowing, and whats the reaction? spending valuable resources in bullshit thats not going to stop china from outpacing us, we're focused on slowing them down not MAKING US BETTER, the only thing you do is create tougher more resilient competition you fucking morons, you're creating the conditions that will force chinese tech companies TO INNOVATE YOU NEED TO PUSH THAT MOTIVATION INWARD YOU STUPID FUCK.
Every time the US does this kind of retarded shit it backfires so massively it's not even funny
>>541709723>push your enemy to innovate and break free from your monopoly5D chess.
>>541709723China is just going to do the exact same thing they’ve been doing, get them secretly from Taiwan. This is a massive nothingburger
In other news, Israel just kindly offered to buy all those spare lithography machines we had (with a discount due to the plummeting demand, obviously)
>>541710322this anon gets it, the only thing we are doing is creating a situation where we becomes the motivator behind innovation in our competition. trying to undermine other countries is the only thing the united states can think to do, thats the sad part. in our leaders minds the idea that our people couldn't compete fairly without the us government trying to destabilize the economy of our competition says alot about what our leadership thinks of our peoples ability to meet the challenge, they don't provide any resources or framework to improve the situation in our country they think to themselves "i cannot compete with these countries so they must be destroyed"
>>541709723>falling behind chinaPeople have no idea how far the USA is going to fall behind China. I know China is a country of unoriginal zero empathy bug people. But all you have to do is look at the # of power plants being built, the # of industrial robots in manufacturing, and how they keep adding to these numbers. USA is doomed. If USA wants to build a power plant it takes like 20 years just for planning permission. USA hasn't built a brand new nuclear power plant since the 1970s. China is currently building over 30. Simultaneously. Actually building them, not planning to build them, actually constructing them. It's never been more over for the USA than it is now.
>>541709723>they will shut down within weeks.two more weeks?
>>541710161>into fixing the reasons we are falling behind chinaLoxism.Jews destroyed Western civilization out of pure spite for white people.
>>541709723>US may…TWOMORE WEEKS
>>541710595this is a common mistake that i see people make in games, trying to split your focus on too many objectives instead of focusing on CORE OBJECTIVES what we are doing is trying to maintain whats left of the united states world police apparatus with our 5 billion bases worldwide, trying to manage a debt spiral, trying to deal with the publics quickly eroding trust in the insitutions, and still trying to do espionage to destabilize our enemies we have too many problems that require nuanced and professional action and what we're getting is someone trying to do everything all at once and failing to do anything.
>>541710746>>541710595i should note that we USED to be able to do this juggling act when we had more robust employee structure that actually did their jobs because contrary to popular belief ( i mean you doge) a lot of the federal apparatus we had did their jobs well and it wasn't always great but it worked, we were the reserve currency with the full backing of our allies and their economies like the eu and canada, we had no technological competitor outside of countries like russia and now what we have is a gutted federal apparatus, isolated from our historic allies and their resources, and we have REAL competition in the chinese and they've come to play the game to win, you can't skate on your laurels like in the past we need to tighten up the ship and cut the bullshit we need someone leading the charge who actually knows what the important objectives are and whats periphery AND THIS DISTINCTION FUCKING MATTERS GUYS.
>>541709723Seems this memeflag missed the news as to why Korea's stock market imploded, which was China beginning to produce domestic lithography machines.
China already stole this technology thanks to the EU. Dutch actually just GAVE them an EUV machine for FREE lol. But EUV is useless without a special acid only the USA makes, it goes bad after a couple months and is so brutal that it has to be stored in pure teflon. It'll go through a quartz vessel like boiling water through ice.Trump banned the export of this to China and also to Toshiba (who is on the export control list for selling the USSR some 5-axis milling machines that let them make super quiet submarine screws) and both Toshiba's and Huawei's main research facilities blew themselves to smithereens trying to replicate it.This special acid is like the spice in the Dune universe, nobody else makes it and newer small feature size processes all need it. If you don't have it you're limited to 2005-era semiconductor feature sizes.
>>541711382we should take advantage of our sciences more by investing in it and funding their research, thats the one thing our grandfathers knew to do that it was important to ensure our sciences were funded and well staffed, nowadays we brag about stopping physics breakthroughs and out here totally not executing scientists for their valuable work because the work is worth more than they are, its the mentality like this that is fueling our slide backwards we have to do something about this.
>>541710550Our leaders are Jews. Jews gonna' Jew.
>>541711562>we should take advantage of our sciences more by investing in it and funding their researchWe have shit that's 20 years ahead of today's tech, working in the lab. They're moving to direct transfer or materials onto the substrate with micro-positioning. The problem is, we then license it to some company which is 80% jeets.We have shit that'd turn Obama White. But when it comes time to release it, it's done in a grifty way that doesn't help us particularly.Like how did EUV help America, which invented it at Sandia Labs like 40 years ago? Well it turned into a big NATO project and eventually the only company with good EUV is Dutch (Old Delft optics company which got bought by Rodenstock and teamed up with other companies there). We just gave it away to the Dutch. Meanwhile Intel's chinks n jeets can't get EUV performing, yields are still super low and the new tall shit they use, FINFET or something, fries itself eventually.We need to create new spin-off tech companies without the interference of VCs, small lean ones. All the best tech companies were started by a handful of people in a garage. That's impossible now.
>>541711562>we should take advantage of our sciences more by investing in it and funding their researchNever going to happen. That would mean letting white men succeed. They would rather turn the academic system into a nigger faggot daycare and watch it all burn.
>>541711921i completely agree, we need small teams of professionals focused on doing it right from start to finish, companies in the us have been a problem for a long time and its an issue that needs to be dealt with, they cause to many pain points every problem eventually leads back to "our companies are run like shit by retards"
>>541709946chink gpus are still 20 years behind my dude, that one they wee hyping turned out to be fake
>>541710161you have no chance.
>>541710746Sure, but all of that also has to happen without being racist or sexist.
>company gets big>hiring spree>board gets input on future direction>jeets n chinks n other h1bs take overhappened to every big tech firm in the US now, the old CEO of Intel has a place out here and I've run into him a few times, he's a nice guy and a Christian and tried to turn it around for America and basically, so much resistance was had from within that he failed. He even hired Big Jim Keller to come in and basically just tell them what they were doing wrong, it cost $250 million dollars to hire him for 1 year making him the highest paid employee in human history, but they just IGNORED him at every level.They had hired him from AMD which is currently kicking Intel's teeth in and has has been since Zen came out. Just to learn how to do better. And everybody he spoke to was like "shove it" lol even though they were getting destroyed.
>>541712800Giant egos will be the final nail in the coffin for the west
>>541709723>THE STONE AGETHE STONED AGE
>>541710161the entire production of semi conductors is based in europe, not xina or anyone else. not africa and not russia lol.when asml in europe stops business the semi conductor factors on the planet will all shut down.its trumpf, zeiss and asml. these 3 companies do all of it.literally the entire planet cant do this. this machine must maintain a high vacuum plasma environment to function and print. the wear and tear is insane some parts only last one week.
euros make all of this not your shitty nvidia.
>>541713166Key components are coming from the US, like the fucking acid anon is talking about above.
they say euros are useless but you have no rtx graphic cards without euros. then you have what you can produce some 386 lol. based idiots.you have to make this as discalimer for retarded americans they think they build everything.
this is way more complicated than a mercedes car or bmw^^dont you think that muttgolems could ever understand this. you need 130iq to understand this machine.
this is around top 10% and up, the rest of engineers cant do it. not every random retard can do this.
If you, white dude, get fat, then you lose your fighting skill, and this happen to you.
>>541710161Smartest anon on pol
>>541711562>>541711921The problem is our gay national security state. There is a reason why the EUV LLC patent assignee is "National Technology Solutions of Sandia National Laboratories" and not LLNL. Guess what they make at Sandia? Not EUV machines. It's Reagan Era SDI research declassified for the commercial good, which we haven't done in a very long fucking time. Basically since EUV.
>>541714903Dude my old neighbor is a Sandia guy, they do shit there that'd blow your puny mind. LLNL is lower tier still.Sandia's Starlink type shit is SDI. In any event the argument is what... one lab good other bad? We've already got the next generation of semiconductor manufacture with direct lithographic transfer working. No more optics (for making the final product).
>>541715035They do absolutely zero research outside of weapons at Sandia is the point I was making.
>>541710161you got no chance chief. You dont need even understand that the western world is under a planned demolition right now and western tech has been getting sold to the Chinese by jews for nearly 80 years now. Agenda 2030 is very real.
>>541717006oh trust me pal i know im barking up a well funded well oiled suicide cult well aware in fact, thats not going to stop me from fighting them with the pen, i'll put my thoughts down on paper and if that ruffles feathers and gets people thinking so be it.
>ban repairs>china collapsesit's that easy. better luck next time chinks!
they already have the technology. they are already building their own machinesit will take 2-3 years but they will be pumping these machines out by the hundreds by 2032ish
