The most common Ukrainian argument regarding the attrition war is that Russia spends its own money and Ukraine uses EU funds, so they are in a better position. They believe it absolutely unironically. What kind of brainwashing they use there to make the population that stupid? The funniest surprise will be when they realise that everything was a loan which they need to pay back in case of any outcome of the war, even if Ukraine will be completely conquered by Russia.
>>541714734>ukranians>thinkBHAHAHAHA
the argument from russian side is that hohols are russian so they have to kill them because russians are hohols and nazis
>>541714886The west will never let Ukraine die or go without, the same way they’d never let Israel, Taiwan, Repunlic of Korea, Japan go without - they’re in a strategic place where the enemy is and it serves them to pour billions into it no matter the outcome
>>541714734They don't think that far ahead, and in fact they don't need to, for 2 reasons:>Ukrainian national identity and future are driven entirely by ideology, and not be any semblance of material/financial considerations. Maidan by itself happened, after Yanukovich realised EU Association agreement would lead to a worse economic situation. But Maidan crowd didn't care, they just wanted the EU identity stamp.>Ukrainians who possess money won't be paying anything, as they easily move around the world right now, and can dodge taxes same way they dodge conscription. And it is very unlikely someone will manage to force them to pay EU anything, given as in 20+ years of Ukrainian independnece, Russia never managed to make Ukraine pay for the gas Russia was supplying to Ukraine and to EU. At some point Ukraine was even actively stealing EU gas, and EU couldn't do anything about it.The truth is that EU taxpayers are the ones that are getting fucked here. Ukraine won't bother paying anything, and nobody will be able to force it to. Historically - nobody was ever able to.
>Ukrainian>pay back loanhahahha
>>541715063Ukraine, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are all extremely different entities though. Just because they enjoy some American protectionism doesn't mean their future can be compared.Ukraine, if we go by historical geography, is unironically part of Russia, far more so than Taiwan is part of China. And fighting against something that is a natural outcome will always get ever more so expensive as time goes on.I think t is natural for South Korea and Japan to remain under western grip, simply because they represent natural enemies of China (and have historically been such for centuries).But Ukraine is more of a large field, that had never been truly a self-sufficient sovereign statehood, and more so resemble Frankenstein's monster that was assembled piece by piece by neighbouring powers. I do not believe Ukraine will exist for a long time. Not even if US decides to pour America's entire GDP into sustaining it.
A loan that will be paid with proceeds from frozen Russian assets./thread
>>541715694if EU ever gets to use frozen Russian assets, they will spend all of them on buying more weapons for Ukraine and paying soldier families.There will be no money left to pay any loans.
>>541715694I hear this but it never happens because you have just as much assets frozen inside Russia /thread
