Can someone explain to me why Ataturk was so obsessed with feminism? To the point that his Turkish Nationalists needed to create some complete hoax history where “we wuz ruled by qweens and sheeeit back in da day befo doze Ottoman honkeys done oppressed da communitee fr fr no cap” was official state mandated curriculum?just seems so weird to me that such extreme feminism was instrumental to a nationalist movement back in the 20s. Unless of course this has something to do with how the Young Turks were a freemason/jew conspiracy and international finance had a weird tentacle in there. But I never got a believable based interpretation for Ataturk
>>541720980I hate niggers.
bumping; please Turkbros I need to understand why your country was founded on feminism. I asked ChatGPT and Google Gemini and all I got was like 20 pages of woke drivel ….
>>541720980Maybe he wanted to work with feminism to undermine the role of Islam in culture and society because he was a secularist?
>>541724195Maybe? That just doesn’t seem to cut the mustard for me because I don’t really envision feminism and “secularism” galvanizing a nationalistic force to fight the Greek army and the rest of the armies of the WW1 allied powers who planned to cut Anatolia into a bunch of little colonies. In other words in that situation I don’t think feminism and secularism would have been a great force to unite against the powers of Europe and save Turkey from being broken up into like the Mandate regions that France and Wngland administered during that period
>>541724615>Wngland*England / The United Kingdom
>>541720980Kurds do the same thing, it's because a large part of Turkey is Alevi who are a branch of Shia. the sunni-shia split was over women (aisha vs fatima, wife vs daughter) so with women getting the vote worldwide after WW1 killing off all the men it naturally led to Kemalism in Turkey mixing all these trends together
>>541724835*arabs and iran didn't participate in the main WW1 european theatre with a resulting genocide so they didn't go through the same feminization process
>>541724904In Switzerland, women didn’t fully have the right to vote until 1971. This idea that “Europeans all were so feminist, and eastern places like Turkey and Fuckistan were just following Europe’s lead during the 1920s” is a farce and a deception. The pattern of rollout of women’s voting rights is very piecemeal and if you look at it, very suspicious and very indicative of communist infiltration , as far as my limited perception goes
>>541724835whenever someone in Turkey opposes liberalism, they can always say 'we are Alevi we respect women like Our Lady Fatimah' Iran seems to have taken this shia progressivism to the other extreme (we love women so much we put them in bags and beat them with sticks).
>>541725157they weren't copying Europe, they were copying the winners (UK, France, USA, Russia)
>>541720980Not about feminism. Turkey's pop was around 6-8 million in 30s. He wanted educated work force to get the industry going. Also Turkish culture doesnt really oppress women like araps.
>>541720980It isn't that deep, like britbong-anon pointed out >>541725227 türkiye was essentially copying all the winners and most influential countries which is always the best thing you can do if you're about to radically change things up through a revolution and want to start a clean slate.The beginning state of every revolution is often extremly fragile, because the fundamental change of life is something that a lot of people cant hardly adopt to - so you have to eliminate the factors that could play into a counter-revolution spearheaded by traditionalists.Copying the winners and taking every good aspect of their winning-formular is always a good thing too. I mean, look at china. They literally took everything that made all the first world countries great. Copied it to perfection and in the end even improved upon it. They faked it until they made it. The revolution of chinese and turkeys are the same in the sense that they pretty much broke up with their monarchy.Feminism was a genius move to instill very radically to counter insurgencies by traditionalists.For example - in chinese culture a "clan" was sometimes even above the state itself. Rules and laws didn't really apply that much. Monarchies didnt give much of a fuck if they still got their taxes. That gave the patriach of a clan a lot of powers. The patriach always had the last word and could decide quite everyting. It's essentially a state in a state. The same goes for muslims, where the patriach of the clan/family would commonly decide what was goes and what does not.The communists in china saw that kind of patriach/head of family as threat against the state in the long run, which could galvanize men more easily to go against the state if enough patriachs of different hoseholds came togeteher and organized. The communists literally broke that off completely by governing DIRECTLY into the affairs of the household/families - like divorce laws, women being obligated to education etc.
>>541725227>they weren't copying Europe, they were copying the winners (UK, France, USA, Russia)in Turkey these winners are often referred to as 'Europe' hence the confusion
>>541720980He wanted to BTFO islamists by giving women rights because he believed islam is a made up religion that oppressed women, and he didn't want this to happen to our women.
>>541720980>Can someone explain to me why Ataturk was so obsessed with feminism?he was just another roach suffering from a inferiority complex wishing he was a whitoid ,so he was just trying to copy whatever trash came from the pigskins, and feminism was one of it (inbefore he had white skin so he was white, unless he was a balkanoid rape baby, genetics are not just the exertial characteristic you can have a afghan with 0 european genes who look like a german it does not make him white/european)
>>541724615>force to fight the Greek army and the rest of the armies of the WW1 allied powershe only really fought the gayreeks who the roachs outnumbered demographically, westren European power didnt really want to fight against him and just withdrew after the fighting started, the myth of him defeating western powers was just bullshit to build him up and his myth and cult of personality up and legitimize his rule
>>541724615>In other words in that situation I don’t think feminism and secularism would have been a great forcehe larped as a holly Islamic warrior prior to taking power he even declared jihad, he only publicly showed those beliefs after he took overhttps://files.catbox.moe/yeyj2a.png
>>541726221Turkish independence and Arab independence happened at the same time, and some Arabs found oil as well. an Islamic Turkey would have meant Arabs buying up everything including their women due to polygamy because they ere lighter for whatever reason (colder climate, mixed with euros or asians etc.). it's the Sunnis who see Turkish women as white. so it would have been the same as the Ottoman empire but in reverse with Arabs on top, there is no Turkish (or Kurdish) nation while still being fundamentalist muslim, it's an Arab country.
>>541724835no, stop with bullshit explanation, Ataturk was just a cuck who wanted to be white so he adopted every trash from Europe, pkk kurds are just commies and those adopted the feminism from communism they also want to appeal to westoid and ZOG sensibility's so that the US become their master and protector and feminism is one of the major ones
>>541726569also it was the Arabs who fought for independence from Turkey, so Turkey was forced to develop some kind of nationhood. Ataturk was left with dealing with the reality of the situation he was left with and didn't cause.
>>541726569you can not buy a Muslim women in islam, you can only buy a enslaved kafir women, also Chechens are some of lightest skinned Muslim's out there and some of the most fundamentalist's and they do not allow non Chechens to marry their women, even if is from the other Caucasus ethnic groups, also most of arab country's where not even independent in 1920s let alone had oil, and if anything roach's westernization which led to their later collapse of birth rate , is what's today leading to the death of the roach as a specie
>>541726672the vast majority of Arabs fought on side of ottoman's in ww1, and kurds where some of the most loyal ethnic groups to the ottomans even more loyal then ethnic roachs them selves, before attaturk bombed and mass murdered them for that loyalty
>>541726825all marriage is a purchase in some way, it's about influence. and if not with money then social currency like speaking arabic natively in an islamic nation, having ties back to arab countries whereas turks are stuck in anatolia and so on. turkey also has a land border with arab countries as they have found out in recent years so different to other islamic nations. Turkey can't larp it like far flung nations even though they are accused of doing so the most.
>>541726929but it had nothing to do with marriages, there 0 evidences of that and no historian ever says that, the young Turks where just atheistic liberals wanabe whitoids
>>541726063as a islamist i want to thank him for destroying the roachs kufars birth rate
>>541727023it's about why would the average turk not only go along with it but fight for it, an ideology that to an arab looks bad for them? because a lot of it is just projection, like calling them cockroaches even if serbs do see them like that.
>>541725761yeah sure thing sure thing, it not like niqab was imposed on women even in Istanbul and the Balkanshttps://files.catbox.moe/e46bjp.jpg
>>541727095>it's about why would the average turk not only go along with it but fight for itattaturk only showed his real face after the war and after he took power, read this>>541726489
>>541727180you know this is an imageboard right?
>>541720980Ataturk was a Greek freemason boyslave who was installed as a leader for the made up Turkish state after the Turks got their asses handed to them by the British and the Russians.Despite this, his rule was a huge improvement over whatever the brown musllim turks were able to come up with themselves. The ideology espoused by that man was around 50 years ahead of its time, in order to act as a trojan horse of modernity within Turkish society.The subhuman Turks idolize this greek janissary impostor to this very day, because his ideas are completely alien to Turkish society and culture (which is why they work). If Ataturk was actually a turk I'm sure things would have been a lot worse for Turkey. The same goes for many post-colonial rulers of former English colonies and subjects. Most of these "first rulers" were actually of foreign origin.
>>541727238yeah i do but the dirty kikes who run this shithole site range banned my region, so now i cant post pics
>>541722503He always looked up to the westies and copied them. He had inferiority co.plex because a bulgarian general wouldnt let his daughter marry Kemal.He hated the idea of bwing an anatolian turk so he conjured the westoid turk identity to better blend in.And he wasnt a feminist. He met both his lovers at cocktail parties. Ottoman women cant attend those places so he wanted femoid rights so he could court them.
>>541720980>such extreme feminism
>>541720980>feminism was instrumental to a nationalist movement back in the 20s.You don't understand the nature of nationalism. It used to be a leftist movement and a force against the old regimes—that is, the aristocratic, monarchist, or theocratic regimes. None of those old regimes were nationalist. In Germany, the nationalists—those who hated the Holy Roman Empire—were the same people who demanded the liberation of the peasantry and voting rights.
>>541720980Becuase he was working with Satan to undermine Islam
>>541720980Guy was a modernist and feminism was one of the modernist assumptions of his time. One that needed another few decades to be proven utterly incorrect.>But it's always been incorrect and people pointed that out far earlier. Yes but it needs to be obvious, painfully obvious, otherwise it doesn't penetrate into the minds of midwits and runaway intellectuals like Ataturk.
>>541727180What does that have anything with what i wrote, memeflag? Also no women wasnt forced to be covered up especially in 1900s wtf are you talking about? There were tons of western parties in both Balkan holding and in Istanbul even before 1850s.
Atatürk was a nationalist, but he viewed the west as a rolemodel for Turkey. But only in terms of economy and society, not politics.
>>541728195there's a thing called class which Turkey no longer has. upper class women (and lowest underclass) could do what they want, everyone else had rules for women. even my country women covered up in the 1800s and before or they would get the stick as they keep reminding us so Turkey certainly did.
>>541728195stop with the bullshit, there is reason why Turkish women wore the niqab publicly when you look up photos from ottoman times, Turkish women culturally where treated the same as Arab women during ottoman times, so drop the muh we wuz le enlightened feminist liberal before the aRAPE invasion larphttps://files.catbox.moe/l5zoaq.jpg
turks worship this dictator like north koreans worship kim family. if you critize this greek dictator you can go to jail in turkey. great democracy!
>>541728335Feminism in 1900s is not the same thing as whatever the fuck we have today. So degrees of dressing modest wasnt same either. But women were never forced to wear arap style shit in Turkey, especially in 1900s.
>>541728472>oh look some women wearing retarded shit in 1900s that means its forced by the state>Never mind the western style ballroom events and nightlife where women were free to wear whatever they wantWhy am i even replying to a retarded "jihadi" memeflag. kys.
>>541728725>the western style ballroom eventsno there weren't western style ballroom event, and even the few shit you could call "ballroom event" was after tanzimat westernization reforms (not from the turkish culture), and where not western in style, and women wherent free to wear what they want nor did elites women allowed to wear what they want, also the point of me showing you actually photos from the era is to show you what was the norm that reflected what the people/norms/laws whereeven the sultan harem and concubines had to wear the niqabhttps://files.catbox.moe/zcs8b4.png
>>541728620they where you dumb fuck roach subhuman, you know that ottoman jurisprudence (laws) are public and recorded, and Muslim women's had to wear at least a full hijab if not niqab depending of her class
>>541720980I remember seeing somewhere that this guy was jewish
>>541728335yeah even working class British women as late as 1902 had to cover up some what and fallow a certain dress code, but braindead historical illiterate secular brownoids from the third world have this imaginary version where they where all about freelove naked feminist hippies before le muh ARAPE invasion, even arab liberals and seculars do this weird shit where they post sherry picked pics of naked women from the 70shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAA35WW0QGM
>>541720980Ataturk was a freemason
>>541729355women would cover their face like that because of all the coal, which is like sand for arabs. or it was too cold. but still they had to wear something unlike now
He was a nationalist, militarist faggot. He contributed to the industrialization of the Anatolian geography. He tried to destroy the cultural values of the ethnic elements that made Anatolia what it was, and create a false Turkish identity. There was a period in Turkey when absurdities like the Sun Language hypothesis were imposed. It was a pseudoscientific hypothesis that claimed all languages originated from Turkish. Turkish is also a fabricated language. Even the Turkmens and Yoruks, who are genetically and culturally the "true" Turks and are actually a minority in Anatolia, wouldn't speak today's Turkish. The language spoken by the Ottoman elite was a very heavy language. Migration from villages to cities was already planned; millions of people were going to work for the industrial system in some way. Therefore, a ridiculous, awful, shitty, soulless language was created so that everyone could understand each other. I'm not surprised he supported feminism either. Millions of women would have contributed to employment; this was already planned. Women's employment had to be encouraged in some way. That's why feminism was used. Just as the Sea Peoples were a disaster for the Bronze Age Anatolian natives, Atatürk was that for the people of 20th-century Anatolia. In fact, the decline happened before Atatürk. During the Ottoman Tulip period, for example, the ban on homosexual relations was lifted. The cancer called Western civilization somehow spread here as well. Atatürk was the final nail in the coffin.Fuck him and his faggot supporters.
>>541726618This is the simplesy explanation, even if it feels like a less clean narrative.Multiple reasons are possible, especially if simple, for a similar outcome.
>>541730101>During the Ottoman Tulip periodTanzimat period*.
>>541720980Concubines (sex slaves) held enormous political power in the Ottoman Empire which contributed greatly to its downfallhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Imperial_Haremhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Imperial_Harem
>>541730627this video gives historical background as to why concubines contributed to the fall of the Ottoman Empirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMLuvmedWZc
>>541730627you can't fuck something and not let it have an influence on you. even if you don't believe in jinn it releases a load of brain chemicals
>>541720980Who gives a fucking shit, diaspora Nigger. The country is at the brink of collapse. One generation of Pisslam at the helm and we're right back to being an isl*mic shithole, which quintessentially equals being catapulted to the brink of collapse, as if it were an immutable law of nature.Kill yourself.
>>541730101Your child rapist iconoclast is slowly rotating on a spit in hell with an apple in His mouth.
>>541728335Islam took the niqab thing from upper class pagan Persians, they just made it available for all women, to them it was the ultimate egalitarian moral thing, it's like of those zarostrian fire worshipers hide their noble women even our lowest women could, as times changed it started being seen as weird
Gentle reminded to filter memeflags. How to? Get 4chan X via a browser script extension like Tampermonkey. In 4chan X settings disable "Stubs" under filter settings, in filter tab select "Flags" from the drop-down menu and write the display names of the flags in /^...$/ format. For example /^Kekistani$/>>541722503To give you a hint here is a quote from him:"Humankind is made up of two sexes, women and men. Is it possible for humankind to grow by the improvement of only one part while the other part is ignored?"I may write more later. If you didn't get the hint he was not much different than the 1st wave feminists, his difference from them may be that he was more traditionalist/conservative. Anything more than this is bastardization of him and his legacy. Look around you, priests/imams are running around saying that Christianity/Islam is feminist, today feminism just means "the good thing" and this incident is just a result of the zeitgeist of our time. No one want to face the truth and be honest to themselves
>>541730101>Turkish flag>Frothing at the mouth about TurksI know what you are. What's your native language, again?
>>541720980he wasnt obsessed with feminism>>541722503our country is not founded on feminismatatürk did promote gender equality but that is a normal thing
