Capitalism was nice only in the beginning, in the honeymoon phase.Now it turned into feudalism and genocide.You should have picked communism. Now they will exploit you till death.
Communism is gay and Jewish.
>>541724257What about capitalism? Where is the prosperity? Young Americans cannot afford to buy a house, they live with parents, they don't have a family and no kids.
There are alternatives to capitalism that are not a brand of marxism.
capitalism hasn't changed. culture and values have. "a man who dies rich dies thus disgraced." the shift is in the loss of moral virtues and everything is downstream of that.
Just look at the RAM memory cartel. Everything in capitalism, all businesses, will become like this. Just wait.
>>541724210We don't live under capitalism. Now be a good retard and say>But not real capitalism right? Pwned lol I am very intelligent
>>541724324>What about capitalism? Where is the prosperity? Young Americans cannot afford to buy a house, they live with parents, they don't have a family and no kids.Nobody knows that capitalism is just evolution applied to markets.Evolution only means you get the best adapted life form evolving.Our societies reward monopolies and living off taxpayers, ie the government pays you or via legislation makes competition impossible.So we get companies that are exceptional at bribery, cornering markets into monopolies and playing the legalese game to destroy competition.When an equal party enters a market, they almost always form a cartel either explicitly or implicitly as neither party wants to waste profits on a price war.And ofc, both parties in the cartel will lobby the government to make new competition impossible.Capitalism as a system will in other words never work as long as there is a government. And without a government or state, capitalism is more likely to create war lord factions than products as it is more efficient to just steal wealth than to create it.This however doesn't make retardation like Marxism true.
>>541724394Capitalism intrinsically erodes morals.
>>541724210>capitalism is where you no longer care about the affordability/sales of your product and conduct 100% of your business around a digital ticker of stock valueBetter throw it all out because not capitalism is a really shitty system!
>>541724210not communism, but there should be rent controljews literally print cash and buy homes with it to rent it to (You)
>>541724210>Now it turned into feudalism and genocide60% of our federal budget goes to welfare now. What retard leftists call>late stage capitalismIs just socialism doing damage like righties said it would.
>>541724394Moronic and short sighted *and* utterly delusional takeI judge systems by their outcomesYou stick to irrational faiths even beyond religionThis is why callibg religion "opium of the people" was so precient at the timeCapitalism has become a religion and a faith upon itself at this point
>>541725005Something something internal contradictions of capitalismMost if these retards would even call John Smith a commie if you make the criticisns he made even before the system stood todayCapitalism is a cult, a faith, a religion
>>541724324>Young Americans cannot afford to buy a house, they live with parents, they don't have a family and no kids.The US government artificially props up home prices to prevent a financial meltdown. Capitalism is self-correcting, but we don't have Capitalism.>>541725239There are only three options:Command EconomyMixedFree MarketAnd of these three options, the closer one gets to a free market, the better. You correctly identify that government interference (mixed) is a problem.
>>541725441>Capitalism is a cult, a faith, a religionTrue.
>Pick blue communism over red communism goyim!!Fuck off retarded plaplack.
>>541724210Modern "capitalism" is the result of government regulations choking small upstart businesses to death. Big corporations can afford the overhead of compliance, small businesses can't.
We don't have real capitalism. Businesses are now "too big to fail" and get subsidies etc. Companies don't actually want capitalism they want corporate-socialism. In a true capitalist system companies would just get wiped out and get no help from anyone in a true survival of the fittest. Basically all subsidies must end but also all loopholes must be closed, no more tax-havens etc.
>>541724210>Capitalism was nice only in the beginning, in the honeymoon phase.No it wasn't. When the first factories opened, the farmers had to be forced into them at gunpoint. Communism isn't the solution either because communists did the same thing whenever they took power.
>>541724324So what you're saying is as the central government gained power things got exponentially worse.
>>541726664Capitalism doesn't exclude "central power" - the opposite - it's the end goal of every capitalist.
>>541724379There is a very simple Continuum from more government interaction in voluntary exchanges between citizens and less government involvement in the same.History has proven incontrovertibly that it should be pushed as far to "less" as possible while rights are still being respected, and that every step past this ideal point towards "more" produces exponentially more unnecessary suffering and degeneracy.Only a strong central government can prevent townspeople from removing degenerates and racial outsiders from their midst, no other force can do so.
False dichotomy and it was never a choice. Both ideologies impose themselves and neither require your consent.
>>541724285show your flag(Israel)
>>541725496it really depends on the government, but I'd argue in a democracy you definitely want less interference
>>541725407>This is why callibg religion "opium of the people" was so precient at the timeOkay here's the pattern of your people's outcomes. You produce a population that's 95% gay within three generations.
>>541724257if socialism didn't work, the u.s. wouldn't have needed CIA death squads, regime change actions, false flags, invasions, puppet dictatorships, proxy militias, election interference, economic hitmen or school of the americas to sabotage democratically elected leadership or democracy in other countries. if socialism didn't work, there would have been no need for a cold war, the u.s. could have just watched the leftist governments fail on their own.but that's not what happened.
>>541726120>no, you have to suffer terrible working conditions, abysmal pay and narcissistic owners of small businesses >we can't have democratically owned means of production!
>>541726776Monarchies where the head of state was believed to be a fucking demigod were not as intensely centralized as modern governments. We are on the extreme, absurd far end of central government power.
>>541726141that's literally capitalism. the government is controlled by capitalists. that's how capitalism literally works.if the government was powerful enough to stop monopolies, it would literally have to be a strong socialist government
>>541724210truke
>a slavnigger learns that every road leads to maffia statism (feudalism)>it's now 4chan's problem
>>541726781Funny, since Christianity is so gay - with worship you masters, turn the other cheek and all that faggy stuff jebus preached.
>>541726120>compliancethe corporatists control the government, dipshit
>>541726840the point of communism is a classless societyany government would only be a temporary step to achieve this goal
>>541724379People tend to forget this
>>541726120What if I told you big boys are more efficient and therefore will always win?
>>541726804If pedophilia didn't work, SWAT teams wouldn't have to raid rape dungeons. They could just watch pedophilia fail on its own.
>>541726729>Capitalism is whatever something something money bad bla bla bla you have you use my motte and bailey termsThere are two poles, freer trade and more government interference in voluntary exchanges.To the extent that it is possible in stable conditions, the further you push towards free trade the more successful your nation is in every respect, from physical health to performance in war to lower rate of mental illness to birth rate to reported happiness to the size of the middle class, which is and always will be the most important class.
>>541726902>more efficientwhy do they need trillion dollar bailouts from american taxpayers every year then?
>>541726871The only response your kind has to pattern recognition is screeching catchphrases lmao.If playing golf made your population less gay I wouldn't bitterly argue that we should ignore it because golf looks stupid. Effects matter. Not instances, not individual cases, statistical effects over large periods of time. The "lore" of a religion is irrelevant, it's statistics are all that matter.
>>541726915Free trade has nothing to do with capitalism. It can exist or it can not (or like today - free trade for goyim, socialism for the rich).Capitalism is the rule of the capitalists.They serve themselves and not some faggy ideal you've invented and then go "no, you're breaking the rules (no one is enforcing because of capitalism), REEEE!".
>>541726874>>541726840So what you're saying is a heavily centralized, powerful government with significant connections to business is the worst way to arrange a society.
>>541724257Is skewing your meme at a retarded angle one of capitalism's innovations?
>>541724210Curiously enough you can have either capitalism or socialism work (each more or less depending on the kind of population) if you fill the following prerequisites:1. Racially and ethically homogeneous society;2. Strong borders;3. Economic protectionist policies;...so it's almost as all roads lead to Rome.
>>541726874abolishing the stock market would end corporations. dipshit.
>>541724210But communism was feudalism and genocide IN the honeymoon phase.
>>541727031Every priest is a closeted gay pedophile.So, no, I don't believe Christianity makes you less gay.
>>541726910World's smartest polak
>>541724210Modern capitalism is a simple system eroded by bad faith exploiters.Communists want to replace the system and give all power to the exploitersOnly a kike or a retard would propose communism
capitalists WILL fuck you over because fucking you over benefits themnever trust a businessman
>>541727056>>541726840so what you're doing is ignoring how capitalists literally control everything and if you took the state away, capitalists would create a new state.kill yourself.>>541726888yeah that's why communism will never achieve success. socialism with a government is better if everyone is educated. you can't end government as soon as the state is taken away, capitalists will ruin everything by starting up their monopoly schemes again and form governments
>>541727040>Free trade has nothing to do with capitalismI'm not interested in your gay buzzwords. I'm not going to suddenly start playing your game.You either have more government involvement in voluntary exchanges between citizens or less. Less is almost universally an improvement, the extremes you have to reach where it is no longer the case functionally do not exist in history. If you are proposing less government interference in trade, you're almost universally correct, if you're proposing more, you're functionally always wrong. With this metric we can easily cut through your irrelevant Pilpul grammar debate and just look at what you're actually insisting be changed on that one axis, and know instantly if you're right or wrong.
>>541727071>>541727108
the strait of hormuz is closed because it creates a demand for EV vehicles. ask yourself who owns EV vehicle companies. who owns an EV vehicle company that is also allied with trump?
>>541727136>so what you're doing is ignoring how capitalists literally control everythingSo you want a less centralized, less trade involved government.>if you took the state away, capitalists would create a new state.Humans existed for a million years primarily in states less centralized and with less government influence in trade than any sitting government in the world today.
>>541727084>brutalised victim can't leave rape dungeon >wahhh it's not fair you sent in the police >brutalised citizen can't leave communist country >wahhh it's not fair you sent in the world police It's literally the same.
>>541724257Why isnt China on the list?
>>541727074>The only response your kind has to pattern recognition is screeching catchphrases lmao.That's what I thought lmao
>>541727161The army that protects the bad guy in your picture is only possible with the most centralized state system in history.
>>541727161YeahEnjoy 5 years waiting line for cancer treatment.OH WAIT!KIKES DO NOT WAIT!
>>541727202China is a shithole and the degree it has been less of a shit hole has been directly proportionate to the relative reduction of government interference, but there's only so much you can do with the Han race, the sick men of Asia.
>>541727196CEOs and corporations are central planners. capitalists are central planners. when capitalists bribe government officials, that is capitalism's logical next step to ignore logic and become and obstacle to humanity's progressstronger government that stops capitalist malfeasance is what is required. weaker government literally means it's just more easily controlled by capitalists.when was the last time you looked up the list of roman assassinations? the praetorian guard auctioned the empire off on the regular
>>5417242571. China.2. China.3. China.4. Vietnam.5. Laos.
>>541727278Negro hands typed this.
>>541727265>cancer treatmentif there was socialized healthcare, there'd be more early screenings and catching things early with preventative medicine would save money and more livesretard
>>541727142There is no evidence for your statements, there's plenty of evidence for the opposite.What you're proposing is a brown jeet shit hole where everyone is scamming each other unpunished because no one is enforcing any rules.And if you get scammed it's your fault because "you have eyes - you know what you bought" or "you should've bought from someone else" except there isn't anyone else - everyone is a scammer - as market forces require every business to race to to the bottom.
>pick communism>they exploit you to death RIGHT AWAY
>>541727243centralized for who? oh right, the ruling class.
>>541724210There is no modern capitalism. The modern world operates on financialism. The Jewish financial instruments have overtaken any real economic activity.
>>541724210What? If anything capitalism was worse back in the beginning. Socialism was invented to make capitalism less bad.
>>541727218>can't understand per capita You're a certified nigger. Like most Christians.
>>541727289Capitalism is what brought prosperity to China.
>>541727278>China is a shitholeLmao look at your own nigger infested country.
>>541726840The rhe government is useless and bankers should be death.
>>541727218Number of Catholic priests in the US = 33,000Number of public school employees in the US = 6.8 million
>>541727218There are 37k catholic priests in the US [USCCB].There are 6.8m "public school employees" in the US [national centre for education statistics].201/37k - offending rate of 543 per 100k29k/6.8n - offending rate of 426 per 100kAccording to your stats: Per capita, catholic priests are roughly 25% more likely to sexually abuse a child.
>>541727340finance capital is part of capitalism>>541727380the government is supposed to be the tool of the people. those who weaken the government only do it to line their pockets and the pockets of their ruling class masters
>>541724210>binary brainbinary brain (absolutism) has to be one of the worst afflictions of the human mind and its not even mentioned in the bible, closest would be Jedis talking about sith lords.Pure capitalism is shit, so is communism, whatever rule system you have is gonna be abused by pushing its rules to the limit or finding loop holes. what matters is if you can keep the spirit alive.for that to happen in a democracy you would have to ensure checks, balances, a population that has half a clue, a media that reports balanced, in depth and unbiased.fuck you and your thread OP and fuck everyone that joins political sides like a soccer club.
>>541727430And that's even with the far greater access school employees have to children. Catholicucks are just cultists who will defend their open borders homo religion no matter what.
I don't understand why capitalists are so fervent in their faith towards their chosen economic system. Capitalism isn't utopian like Communism is, so what's the appeal in defending an obviously flawed system when alternatives exist? It's not as if it isn't as kiked as Communism is. Markets don't need to be hyper-competitive stockholder value maximizers, so why bother defending the system that encourages that? >real capitalism isn't like that!That argument is on the same level as 'real communism hasn't been tried' and you know that. Fundamentally, capitalism is focused on maximizing personal profit, aka money, aka power. Money is traded for power, including political power. It is in the capitalist's interests to grow and capture the government to increase their power, aka money, aka profit. The current situation isn't a bug, it's a feature. So then, why bother to defend this system if the result is this hellhole? I just can't make sense of it.
>>541724394"but muh human nature"capitalism specifically rewards greed and corruption.
>>541727471they just want to tell us about their special snowflake capitalism and completely ignore the general welfare clause
>>541727460So third position old friend?
I don't know why this hack is still considered relevant, all his predictions were not fulfilled and those he inspired failed spectacularly and discredited themselves with their cruelty and inefficiency.
>>541727361Ah yes the capitalism from usaniastan traitors of the west with cero loyalty willing to buy from chinks to save more money and earn more profits it worked wonderfully for you to trust the kike industries.
>>541727308>there'd be moreTypical commie retardation in action.You lack the IQ to se fault points in your system.What WILL happen is that funds will disappear among "distributors" (boards, deen etc.) and suddenly there is no more check-ups.Commies want efects of a high trus society while destroying it, and subsituting it with survilence dystopia.>but this is what is happening now!Yes, because corporatism is transitional communism. Kikes are very happy.
Brought you by Capitalism.Don't forget BLACKED.comThe kike will defend capitalism bc they want you to worship the central bank
>>541724210The south was close to achieving a fully automated negro economy with UBI until the north destroyed everything because they needed more slaves for their factories.
>>541727524my point was you can use either system, just make sure tackle arising problems as they show up. speaking as an IT guy you can use a wide number of systems so long as its used in good faith and by competent people.If the population is clueless and manipulated to vote whatever billionaires spend the most money promoting and you have no checks, balances and all of the media is bought it doesnt matter what your system is called its gonna break and turn into a billionaire and technocrat controlled dystopian shithole.
>>541727469>access to childrenThat is also a good point. I don't know why people are so quick to defend even pedophilia when it's their tribe doing it. Be it the Vatican, MAGA, or the pedos shot by Rittenhouse. They're immediately forgiven when kayfabe is on the line.
Capitalism is a scam. From the beginning.
>>541724379Pretty much, being anti capitalist without related to communism/socialism is actually being antisemist.
we live in a world where pedophiles are so rich that it's impossible to prosecute them, all of the world's species are getting hunted to extinction, the ocean is becoming so acidic that the algae we need for oxygen is dying off, nobody can buy a house but all of the houses are made out of shit materials that need maintenance before they even open for the first time, all of the companies that deliver products to people are corrupt as shit and put their workers in cuck cages, energy prices are through the roof because they're putting retarded fucking datacenters everywhere, they're putting asbestos in everything again because it's cheap and the corporations who benefit from it being legalized are so rich that they can pay the world's governments to make it fuckin legal without seeing any meaningful impact against their fucking margins from it,How the fuck can you stupid assholes live with yourselves knowing the world is actually gonna fucking end because of the economic system YOU propped up? Sure it's not gonna end in the next 20 or 30 years but within our lifetimes it's gonna be fucking over and it'll be YOUR fucking faults.
>>541729054>the world is actually gonna fucking endFor you.Rich people won't be affected by any of this. Natural selection is back on the menu, all you useless eaters are going to die.
>>541724257China is eating our ass right now using leftist ideologies.
I've had a theory capitalism was good before worldwide connectivity. It's not a good system for the individual where companies can scour the entire world for materials, people, and markets. There is no incentive for a savvy business man to treat his countryman any better than a Jeet or some Filipino who will work for less. Before companies had a lot of risk trying international ventures (I'm an old fag and was a liaison for western companies in Japan in the 2000s), companies could only realistically hire local talent (and therefore were incentived to train and cultivate their own people), and doing business locally was easier.We need something like regional or sectioned capitalism where the country or world is divided into sections and markets and cannot dip or pull from other parts without oversight from government entity or something.
>>541726120I always thought laws should apply separately to businesses say above 50 people and those below. Obviously a mom and pop store does not have the resources to even be aware of what regulations they need to follow while operating a business, whereas a giant corporation has leagues of lawyers to do it.
>>541729842>We need something like capitalism heavily regulated by the stateshut up commie
>>541729988Modern capitalism has failed and simply name calling isn't going to change that. Also not a communist - workers owning the means of production is retarded because they rarely want to take on the risk too. I'm more of a syndacalist.
>Modern capitalism has failed
What do you guys do for work and what will your jobs be in the new workers paradise.
>>541724210>Capitalism was nice only in the beginning, in the honeymoon phase.What's causing the problems you describe isn't really capitalism itself, it's capitalism together with LLCs, stock markets and fiat currency.Modern companies no longer desire profit. At least a never ending quest for higher profit leads to efficiency gain and innovation and if the owners only get their income from the profit of the company then they would be incentiviced to not only go for short term gains at the cost of long term gains and customer loyalty. What is important for modern corporation is evaluation and stock value if they are publicly traded, this gives the executives and owners a lot of very negative incentives that hurts the company long term, hurts the market and hurts the end users of the products.I'm not saying this to defend capitalism, I am simply trying to nuance the discussion.
>>541727202>>541727289>>541729620China after Mao fell into extreme poverty, which it then dug itself out of by embracing market reforms and sweatshops. Any and all Chinese prosperity is a result of capitalist economic behavior. China is still a developing country, however.Taiwan is similar, but has always outperformed China.
>>541726714>Profit motive incentivesProofread your fucking memes, guy
The final redpill is realizing Christian Medieval Europe was peak civilization. The (((Reformation))) and (((Enlightenment))) are responsible for today's cancer and degeneracy.Christian monarchs kept the money powers under control. After the separation of Church & State the (((money powers))) aka Jewish oligarchs started their usurpation of governments and nations.Capitalism and Communism are both shit. Products of the post-enlightenment Nihilism and satanic revolutions. Life doesn't just revolve around money and le pursuit of temporary happiness..Atheists are gay and retarded.Thanks for reading my blog.Reject the "enlightenment" and embrace TRVDITION that puts emphasis on ethnos, family and local communities.
>>541726804>Tried to stop it>Failed>Now it has taken over and we are everything we were warned about but still cry capitalism Wow. It's like orange nigger blaming king nigger for emptying out the oil reserves in the war that orange tranny startes!
Everything turns into Feudalism when resources start becoming scarce. Feudalism is the natural state of the scarce world at war. All your socialist utopias will morph into it.
>>541724210Capitalism was great until the fall of the soviet union. Once there was no other competing ideology, it turned to shit, like all monopolies. There was no longer a reason to keep the plebs satisfied, that's why everything has been turning to shit since 1990.
>>541729620China is the modern version of the southern confederate states.Without slave labour (or near enough as to make no difference), China would not be dominating anything.We could cut chinas legs off by bringing manufacturing back but it would mean the jews making slightly less money for a little while and they won’t allow that.
>>541724210>Capitalism was nice only in the beginninghaha sure, capitalism put capital before everything else, hence why it destroys nations, bc race, culture, heritage tradition literally doesnt matter—the capitalism taht did work for some time had those elements implicitly, it was only ever working in white countries with basic decency & morals that were like an unwritten law—national socialisms principle is common good before private interest, the americans hate that attitude, they want the chance to fuck everything over as they please, as a migratn nation ofc you dont have any connection to your fellow citizen so the only worthwhile goal is to get filthy rich & not care about anything anymore—
>>541729842Capitalism is good if you don’t have jews manipulating currency to extract value.Communism/socialism is good if you don’t have jews infesting the state structure and intentionally creating famines.Nationalism and any economic system works perfectly.
>>541724210>You should have picked communism. Now they will exploit you till death.>a is bad, therefore you must pick bnational socialism is neither—
>>541727289China got rich after market liberalization. FDI and SEZs were very important to their current standard of living. Picrel Guangzhou is an open coastal city where foreign capitalists were free to invest and set up companies.Same story with Vietnam and Laos.
>>541731573>international socialism bad>national socialism goodYou're just a racist commie, second on the list for free helicopter rides.
>>541724210We're in late stage capitalism now>>5417242571. USSR2. China3. Yugoslavia4. Burkina Faso5. Best Korea
>>541724285Look at MAGA in the cuck chair again.
>>541731653>We're in late stage capitalism nowMarx said that 200 years ago. How long does this "late stage" last? What do you do for work and what will your role be in the new workers paradise?
the bitter truth the right refuses to accept is that while communism is a disaster, Marx's critique of capitalism is the ultimate blueprint for personal wealth. grinding 60 hours a week and believing in meritocracy or hard work is pure wage-cuck cope designed to keep you happily exploited by people who actually understand the game. the leftist takeover of HR and academia wasn't some shadowy globalist psyop, those people just realized early on that siphoning surplus value, exploiting institutional rules, and having zero employer loyalty pays out infinitely better than being a good little employee. if you want to actually win in this system, you need to drop the blue collar morality, stop trying to be a model employee, and start exploiting the game exactly like the people at the top do.
>>541731653>get cancer>'"i am in late-stage health"
>>541726765The best form of capitalism is one that fucks over corporations/share holders in favor of the consumer since consumers are the life blood of the economy not the corporations/share holders
>>541726979They are efficient in that too.
>>541724210>a small elite has crystallized exploiting everyone>therefore we should hand over all our property to another small elite exploiting everyoneWhy are poles so consistently retarded? Politics should revolve around benefiting as many people and small businesses as possible, not blindly trusting the powerful, be they corporatists or politicians.
>>541724285>Thats why all kikes are now capitalists!Real Christianity was communist
>>541731653>late stageThe party's over? This was said in 1867 too. Then 1873. Then in 1914. 1918 was for real this time. 1939. And the list goes on and on. I heard you fags say capitalism is finished when COVID hit. Where is it? Two more weeks?
>>541726890Am glad they do, fucking tribal monkeys thinking collectivism was invented by a bearded austrian is the definition of close minded, same bearded austrian who writes about the natural state of humanity as a socializing socialist ape
>>541732445>therefore we should hand over all our property to another small elite exploiting everyoneThe palace and the merchants are not the same in character. The palace derives its mandate from and gets its power from the people. The people are their wealth. Merchants, however rich and powerful, view themselves as private individuals whose power is derived from their personal dragon hoard of wealth. Merchants who have attained enough wealth to become robber barons or international bankers or whatever name they call themselves often have more power than duly elected representatives or kings, but feel exactly zero incentive to use that power responsibly. As far as they're concerned, that's something they did all on their own; not something that only happened because they lived in a society which allows it; and that just shows they're superior to everyone else. And since they're superior, why shouldn't they make their brothers and sisters into slaves? Such is the merchant outlook.For an example, look at China. China's communism has a powerful central palace that protects its people from its merchant class. It doesn't destroy its merchant class, but it trims them back when necessary, and that alone is what makes them a success. In China business serves government, not the other way around.
>>541733078the rate of return on profits is only getting worse. tick tock buddy. Marx predicted this.
>>541724210false dilemma tbqhwyf
>>541733590What are you averaging over? Revenue? Firm count? The rise of service industry and the stock market make firms keep profits low and rely on investors to raise valuation. This change finalized in the 1980s which is why it hasn't budged since 4 decades.
