I get that she murdered her kids and people want justice but her defence is that severe postpartum psychosis made her unable to understand that killing her children was wrong, so she should not be held criminally responsible.
are you reading my post in a american voice or no?
Okay so if she can't control herself enough to not kill why should she be allowed to live?
Idgaf just fuck off with this crap
>>541725183Electric chair will cure her and her friends
Why are British people so liberal?
>>541725183i love her fat arse
>>541725183Get your fingers out of your mouth you fucking ugly nigger loving cunt.
How is this fucking shit not over already?Kill all the jurors
>>541725183Dont care, get her into a hole where she cant get out. Shes either psycho, shizo or both.
>>541725375They are quite annoying in everything now.
>>541725183Everybody knows it was her husband, just look at him
>>541725376uwu
I went schizo. Almost killed someone more than once
>muh insanity how compelling, please face the wall now
>>541725183>that severe post/pol/ psychosis made her unable to understand that killing kikes was wrong, so she should not be held criminally responsible.
>>541725183Only faggots think that way.You must be a faggot.Kill yourself faggot
The fact that anyone would defend this child murdering witch is all you'll ever need to know about such creatures daring to call themselves people; you cannot be too extreme nor too brutal toward nigger cattle goyim fuck meat animals, there's not a single thing you could possibly do that'd be 'too much' at this point.
>>541725271Based joo.
>>541725375low T
>>541725183I just hate the double standard that depressed father kills kids, pure evil. Depressed mother kills kids, poor woman.They both deserve to be locked up.
>>541725435We're poor as fuck in america.Getting that free lunch every day is like winning the lottery. Its estimated the jury will deliberate for the next 170 days for free lunches.
>>541725269ThisShe is claiming to be a rabid dog
>>541727109No. She deserves to be dragged down a street by a truck, salt poured over wounds, acid on her face, eyes gouged out and then raped anally by a giant rusty train track until she dies
>>541726799Anger is a sinChrysotom is falling for the trap of righteousnessHe is covering his anger in pride so that he can express it without guilt
3 more hours until the jury does fuck all for 8 more hours
>>541725183It was a premediated triple murder, the whole mentall illness thing, suicide attempt and wheelchair are just her trying to garner sympthy and shifting the blame like all deranged liberal 4th wave feminists. She send her husband on an errand to have enough time for the killings and was on the phone with him while he was away....completely calm, no psychosis.....she was a nurse and new what dosis of medication and shallow wounds wound be unproblematic and the 2 story jump was cartoonish - we also have seen her walk to her wheelchair, so she is not paralyzed. All fake cryslop cope for 50 IQ tik tok femimarxists
>>541727148It's honestly like the idiots who claim they aren't mentally competant to stand trial for murder or say it was 2nd degree. Isn't killing random ass people intentionally within the heat of the moment (2nd degree) arguably worse for society?
>>541727412Usually when men kill their wife and kids it's a real murder-suicide but apparently that would make too much sense.
>>541725183
>>541727344>Majority womenIt's Joever, bro.At least the fallout will be funny.
>>541725262Beasts impersonating human beings?
>>541725183If we can't hold her to human standards then let's hold her to animal standards. What would we do with a dog that killed three children?
>>541725183didn't read don't careif not publicly executed in humiliating and excruciating fashion then there is no justice
>>541725183How is that even a defense lol>Why, yes, I am a cold-blooded, rabid fucking maniac but it ain't my fault!lolol
>>541727475you havent considered the 'boy moms'
>>541727568>if not publicly executed in humiliating and excruciating fashion then there is no justiceFor the sake of accuracy, your definition of "justice" here is likely unconstitutional:>Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.From the eighth amendment
Cant wait for not guilty and see the chud meltdown on the internet
Maybe she can hang out with Casey Anthony.
>>541725269The "postpartum" bit is important. She couldn't control herself in that period of time. I would not harm or kill anyone, but if someone is in the process of harming my kid, then in that period of time, I would not be able to control myself and would likely harm that person greatly.
>>541725183Your honor, my acute acoital spermotoxicosis made be unable to understand that raping these three young women was wrong. Please let me walk.
>>541727542Ok then have her declared legally insane and spend the rest of her life in a high security mental institution.
If you're on 10 different looney medications then you should be banned from driving, voting, and owning guns.She was on 13 different psychiatric medications.
>>541725183>I get that she murdered her kids and people want justice but>(((but)))fuck off you insufferable faggot op
>>541725183Fuck it. Be unaccountable for anything by being a women because of hormone-induced psychosis.
>>541725183When will the law realize that very few instances of murder are not from unhinged persons. Being unhinged (mentally ill, cray-cray, unfit for duty, whatever) does not make you less of a danger or criminal. There are a few cases out of every 100 of self defense, pushed into the corner molestee, etc. Those deserve special consideration, but just because you can't handle life with normal reactions doesn't make you somehow get to say "oopsie daisy"
>>541727707But what if the person who harmed your kid was a drunk driver who couldn't control himself in that period of time?
>>541727915>She was on 13 different psychiatric medications.All of them in ridiculously low doses. I don't believe her PPD ever got successfully treated. Idk if PPD can be enough you don't know right from wrong. But her mental illness wasn't treated, at all. Not in any serious way.
>>541727673I don't understand why people are acting like not guilty by reason of insanity means she just walks out of the courtroom and returns to her life. She killed her three children. The defense is not contesting the fact that she killed her three children. "Not guilty by reason of insanity" here is not acquittal of the crime. It is a decision as to where she is going to probably spend the rest of her life: in prison or a mental institution. She is very, very unlikely to ever live a free life ever again. It's very similar, in a way, to the bus stabbing recently. People seem to think that even if the guy who killed her is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he's just going to end up back on the streets. It's just not a realistic way to look at how crime and mental illness interact in our legal system. 99.99% of the time, you end up confined either way. I think this is just low-IQ sensationalism.
>>541728249“Mental illness” isn’t treated by jew poison
>>541725183I think she should get all of the mental health care she needs while in prison for the rest of her life
>>541728487The symptoms are treated with medication. Same as any other illness.
>>541728221Deciding to drunk drive and deciding to have kids are two different things, retard.
>>541728487"Mental illness" isn't even real, its literally just demonic possession
>>541725774>hey, anon. You want to scramble my eggs?>I love late term abortion>it's okay>You can creampie me>teehee
>>541725183I want to find a girl that looks at me like that
>>541727911It was temporary, she's already been medically cleared. If she goes it'll only be a few months max now.
>>541725269Massachusetts doesn't even have the death penalty.
>>541727412>It was a premediated triple murderyes obviously but this isn't about truth or justice but about women showing men who's boss.
>>541728706Okay, so being unable to control yourself in the moment can be a justification for killing children, but only sometimes. Would the drunk driver be justified if she had been drinking due to the stress of raising three small children?
>>541728249>her mental illness wasn't treated, at allIf your mental illness causes you to murder three innocent children you are not mentally fit to be in public. Why are people like you incapable of understanding this? You’re probably a pitbull owner.
>>541727707>She couldn't control herself in that period of time
>>541725183>whiteThere's your problem
>>541727707>The "postpartum" bit is important. She couldn't control herself in that period of time. I would not harm or kill anyone, but if someone is in the process of harming my kid, then in that period of time, I would not be able to control myself and would likely harm that person greatly.you disgusting inhuman fucking pig. the children were completely innocent, and your comparative scenario assumes justice for someone harming your own child. administering brutal justice to the wicked is completely sound, only kikes like you pretend it isn't.
>>541725183AI Overview Ringo Starr is not Jewish, though he has sometimes been mistakenly identified as such.
>>541727915>She was on 13 different psychiatric medications.That's typical. Notice the number of pills prescribed. 30 or less. Meaning she was told to take specific pills for a few days, the prescription was changed, and she was to throw out the old pills. She's mentally retarded if she doesn't understand how prescriptions are given and changed. But she's a nurse. The over-prescribed argument is a failing attempt to excuse murder.
>>541727463Blessed schizo, amazing find. Even without a duplicate case, the energy harvest angle still stands.
America is a place where you are not guilty for killing 3 little kids because some ordinary foids said so, instead of judges like in a normal system.
>>541727707Bullshit excuse. By this logic teenage boys should be allowed to rape.
qrd on this foid? late abortion?
>>541727412Don't forget. She googled "is it possible to treat a sociopath" 4 days before she executed her plan.
>>541727915>>541729719>She was on 13 different psychiatric medicationsNope. She was only on a couple and they were therapeutic doses. Most of her pill bottles were full btw.
>>541725183Am I the male version of those women who go for the criminal with the face tats if I fantasize about fixing her with my BPC?
>>541730946They prescribed her totally 13 she botched several ones because they didnt help/she wasnt able to sleep , 4 were found in her body during the fateful night
>>541725183If thats the case. Muzzies and Nigs with a low IQ and strong sense of Sharia shouldn't be convicted for their crimes?
>>541730592sent her husband to the store and while he was away she killed their 3 kidsafterwards he made some lame shallow cuts on her arms to make it look like she was trying to commit suicidewhen she came to in the hospital her first question was "do i have a lawyer?"shows a remarkable lack of remorse and seems to only care about not getting convicecteddespite all this, defending her is the hill a lot of white women want to die on
>>541731395He made cuts on her?
I'm not even sure why the discussion is being made the bitch should die immediately
>>541731470because wokies want revenge on the depp trial
>>541731470The difference between men and women is that the average man doesn't look at a man facing punishment for killing three children and think "that could have been me".
>>541731594"that could have been me" goes from the notion of woke culture, and the fact that 80% of the liberal women go tho a therapist where they fill their heads will bullshit.My sister is a therapist and I had a fight with her 2 days ago she called me a heartless scum because poor woman has a serious condition and nobody helped her.
>>541727109I think you mean stoned or hung in the village square you soft bastard.
>>541725183Throw the bitch in a cell with a violent paranoid psychopath and tell her that it's okay because he has a psychosis as well.
>>541727658memeflag.
>>541731866>Aquafresh educationImagine my shock
>>541725183Women are fucked in the head. Vid related.https://youtu.be/6iU_wl85pBM?t=35
Since she hasn't killed herself due to guilt and despair we can conclude that she meant to kill them
>>541725183>>541727564>>5417275421. she went through twelve different meds through endless psychiatry appointments, refusing to adhere to a single one because it made her tits saggy or made her tired. she is a nurse herself who knows that weeks of medication are needed.2. she told the husband to leave and separated the child she hated systematically and strangled him with enough force to make his eyes pop out. that rules out non pre-meditated psychosis. 3. she went to a hospital, refused to divulge her full symptoms, then left and refused to do the post-hospitalization rubric.4. she was not, is not and was never diagnosed as psychotic nor postpartum. her actual psychiatrist thinks she has bipolar disorder. the police psychiatrists didn't diagnose her with anything. only two doctors on the defense believe she was 'clearly psychotic' but they've never been in a room with her. 5. she admitted doing it. tiktok whores and XY abominations who listen to what hysterical women say who think 'the evil husband, family, doctors etc. failed her' have not paid any attention to the case.
>>541732106she is a gemini bro, she wouldnt do it
>>541725183Giving women carte blanche after having a kid will have enormous downstream effects for society. Which is probably the point of this case.
>>541727316>there's no such thing as righteous angerYou're a christian retreatist, not a Christian.
Hope the giga dykes in prison fill her holes like a swiss cheese
I guarantee you this bitch is dead walking, either she gets the chair or someone who is a mother ends up killing her ass. For all those "Mothers" claiming to side with her, there is one who is literally polishing off her Husband's hunting rifle just for something like this.
>>541733051you watch too much tv shows
>>541733128You never had a child. Child Killers are hated by everyone, even cellmates. You really think this bitch has a chance at a normal life after this? LOL
>>541727316That quote speaks on the matter of tolerance.You can't really afford to tolerate anything.The more you tolerate, the worse the violations get and the more common they become.Trust me, I'm from Amsterdam and I'm not tolerant.
>>541727463This is interdasting anon
>>541732106It was eye opening to see how deep a lot of women are into the whole, "women good, men bad" mindset to where they will give themselves mental illness to uphold that model. The facts of the case are plain, but they contradict the misandrist mindset that is bone deep in these retard roasties, so they insert a fictional reality. We can't have gender equality if we don't hold women equally responsible.
She is finished like the synagogue of satan
>>541733199They will find her not guilty, she fucks off to an another state.If they find her too mentally illl to be guilty she spends 5 years in a mental hospital with drugged people, and when she gets free nobody is going to remember her.
>>541727621>it's considered unusual punishment to execute a woman who premeditated the murder of her 3 children.
>>541733335and you really think people are going to forget what she did? People still remember Casey Anthony, say what you want, not everyone is going to forgive her ass. And fyi if she does walk, you can kiss women's rights goodbye. Remember roe v wade? Overturned because of stupid shit like this.
>>541725183> severe postpartum psychosis made her unable to understand that killing her children was wrongIf you allow this bitch to walk, you will be allowing "mentally ill" niggers to stab people on trains and walk awayI'm sick of playing foid games
>>541727707Hitler just couldn't control himself in that period of time. He would not harm or kill any Jew, but if one is in the process of harming his Volk, then in that period of time he would not be able to control himself and would likely gas that Jew greatly.
>>541725183>muh headspaceCool, so a guy with severe depression can't rape, glad we cleared that up.>but muh pillsAwesome, now drunk drivers can't be held responsible either.We're really going places here.
>>541725183i've been in the darkest depths of hell going through the worst chemically induced bullshit that would normally destroy anyone's psyche, and not once did I consider killing my kid because she was being a nuisance
>>541725183If that's all true she should still never see light of day. And be locked in a mental institution. If she actually believed any of that should would go there voluntarily. Imagine being her and doing what she did under literally any Jewish circumstances you can think of. Would you not punished yourself and voluntarily check out of society?
>>541728296>It's very similar, in a way, to the bus stabbing recently. People seem to think that even if the guy who killed her is found not guilty by reason of insanity, he's just going to end up back on the streets. It's just not a realistic way to look at how crime and mental illness interact in our legal system. 99.99% of the time, you end up confined either way.Except he was released into the streets a bunch of times prior to him murdering the white girl.
>>541733529Right and just like Benoit huh? She's really one of ours huh bros? Fucking Idiot trying to use niggers as an excuse for a jew to murder kids.
>>541728296you are literally too stupid to insult.
>>541733389Yes. People forgot about snowden in a month who risked his whole life to show how cancerous your country is.You talk about Casey Anthony, go out to a shopping mall and ask 10 people if they still remember her.
>>541733471Yes, Tarl, but you had an owl demon's support.
>>541733578What? What the fuck are you on about? This woman needs to be incarcerated for life at the very least, but the proper punishment should be execution. >one of ours?What the fuck are you even talking about? Who's "our"? What percieved team do you think you're on? The mental illness angle is just gonna put her back on the streets after a short time in a mental hospital, just like that nigger that kill the girl on the train. I pointed that put because that nigger was sent through the system like, 20 or more times and had like, 40 arrests. Also, who the fuck in Benoit? Is he the guy who murdered his 3 kids and wife? Yeah he should be executed too, but at the very least should have life in prison. People are hesitant to issue the death penalty and I understand why. What the actual fuck are you on about? You fucking nutcase. Fuck off faggot.
>>541733497Nah man she just had one psychosis episode for the exact 18 minutes she strangled her kids like she was in a saw movie. She's good now.
>>541725183Modern women should not be trusted with children, their own or anyone else's. Get women out of our schools.
postpartum psychosis at 8 fucking months is not a recognised pathology anywhere
Today feels like the day. NGBI most likely. Hoping for a first degree murder.
>>541725183>Who was in the wrong here?jeeeeWomen!
>>541733389I hope she gets acquitted. Accelerate this shit.
>>541734124doubt it.The two guys will hold up for one more day, but they will have enough from the foid pressure after that.
>>541725183>>541725376Her husband should have just fucked her fat ass instead. Would have avoided all of this.
>>541731395was this custodian dispute or somethingtypical jews of gender behavior
>>541726799>100% of her supporters are white women and a few of their cuck partnersI haven’t seen a single non-white/non-kike person support this bitch
>>541733805Low-key western civilization needs a three strikes, you're out (death penalty) system for violent crime
>>541734518Just to point out, kikes are non-whitealthough it doesn't change your point, I'd just like to note
>>541725183Daily reminder that the medical industrial complex produced another murderer. She is guilty for committing the act, but these slimy cunts shouldn’t get off so easily.
>>541734113You don't understand, ANYTHING is possible when it involves absolving women from responsibility and accountability
>>541733391>If you allow this bitch to walk, you will be allowing "mentally ill" niggers to stab people on trains and walk awayAnon, that's already happening...
>>541734619I know, but some people might think kikes are also not supporting her, that’s why I mentioned them separately. I actually wanted to write non-white person or non-kikes to imply they aren’t human but it reads a bit awkward then
She's clearly still on the same anti-psychotic psychotic meds that she's always been on.She needs to be taken off those to see if she exhibits any type of remorse.
>>541734569Personally, I think death row inmates should be placed (if willing) into gladiatorial combat against other death row inmates. If you win, you stay alive for the next fight. If you die, your execution has been served. Sell tickets, make money off of it. Wildly unpopular I'm sure, but just my idea. That said, I agree with you, but the death penalty needs to be a real threat reserved for extremely heinous crimes.
>>541734656Most competent female doctors
>>541734656>retard doesn’t know facts of the case
>>541725269>why should she be allowed to live?Because I am 46 years old and not married :(I have been waiting all my life for the type of woman that I find attractive mentally.I just want a woman to whisper in my ear."I want you to cum in my fuck hole and get me pregnant so I can get an abortion and kill my baby." So hot I would empty 10L of cum in her dirty evil cunt, fucking whore I love you!
>>541735230>>541734656She had both male and female providers, some of them at Mclean, one of the best psych hospitals in the world. What both of you cuck faggots missed is that this bitch went around shopping for providers and asking for drugs and not telling them about the drugs she already had from others. The drugs were almost all not controlled substances so the system didn’t track which ones she had and flag them. The doses were very low too, not enough to have any serious adverse issues. She also didn’t take any meds other than benzos for a full week and psych meds work over weeks and months, but she wanted immediate relief or was just looking to get high. Faggots like you who have no idea about anything but default on defending white womynx and kikes are the lowest scum of the earth
>>541735273What am I missing?
>>541735470I do not defend the use of psych meds period, as there is no proof to their actual efficacy. They’re Jew magic.
>>541727707No, it's pyschosis that is important here.Psychosis is always temporary, no matter what caused it (post-partum depression, schizophrenia, bidpolar disorder...etc)Postpartum is the IRRELEVANT part, despite feminists trying to make the whole case about it
>>541735539So what are they supposed to do? Use healing magic? Beat her until she improves? Personally, I think beatings are probably what many women actually need but that’s a different story
>>541735487See >>541735470
She will spend the rest of her life as a ward of the state in a mental hospital. I've been to an asylum once after getting drugged. Trust me it aint fun. They are much safer then prisons but every waking second you are under direct supervision and are heavily sedated usually 5+ drugs. Its not a fun way to live. I cannot image spending my entire life locked away in a ward it is a fate truly worse then death.
>>541735847If she gets not guilty by reason of insanity, she could potentially be out in a few months or few years. That’s what the defense is trying for, the psychosis was temporary and related to her being postpartum so it’s not an issue anymore or soon won’t be according to their claims. She’s already talking about looking forward to her life after the trial and wanting to participate in wheelchair sports. Last I checked, they don’t have those at psychiatric hospitals but then again you never know in 2026
>>541735847No she will be out in less than 5 years if found innocent of criminal charges.
>>541725183That's retard logicAnd seeing your flag, it makes sense you think like that
>>541736006No once your ruled a ward of the state it is generally very difficult to get out of a forensic psych ward. Even more so then prison. Prisons are much more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt if you are a model inmate. In a forensic ward most stays are lifetime and you need to prove to a panel and a judge that you are no longer a threat which doesnt happen often. They literally do throw away the key in there. Forensic psych wards are no joke.
Here is my take (the correct take):she killed her children (is culpable)but she was in drug-induced delirium at the time (is not culpable)but she's the one who took a whole spectrum of mind drugs and then killed her children(is culpable)but her doctors prescribed them to her (is not culpable)but she was the one who chose to hop from doctor to doctor hoping for an overnight fix, and thus accrued all these different prescriptions and diagnoses (is culpable)so she's culpable. she's responsible for causing her own state of insanity.
>>541736441>but she was in drug-induced delirium at the timelol that was a bullshit alibiit was premeditated murder
>The medicine made me CrAzY!!>The best thing for her is not guilty by reason of insanity>That way she will be pumped full of psychoactive substances for the rest of her life>That'll show those pharma jews
>>541725183Option A: guilty murder, she goes to prison Option B: not guilty of murder, she goes to an asylumI don't understand how this true crime slop got so big here.
>>541736408I understand it’s difficult and she killed 3 kids so they’re not likely under regular circumstances to let her out during yearly reviews but there is a possibility they do, there are cases of women being let out eventually. Couple that with the huge amount of retards constantly fighting for her and trying to fault everyone but her for the deaths of the kids, review boards aren’t immune from public pressure. If there’s enough people still supporting her after the trial, you’re going to likely see female/kike politicians call for her release to win votes
>>541736535There’s also a manslaughter and a regular not guilty option. Judge said so at the beginning of the trial. It’s almost certainly not going to be not guilty but just wanted to point out that it’s included by default
>>541736441If you watched the trial you'd know her psychosis claim was bullshit. Nothing about it was consistent with actual psychosis. She was simply tired of being a mother and wanted to off her kids. So she went to all these different doctors and was prescribed lots of drugs she only took a couple times. Then in the run up to the killings she wrote melodramatic shit in her notes app like "I feel like the medication is taking over." 4 days before the murders she googled "can you treat a sociopath." The day of, she researched takeout restaurants and compared distance and travel time. When she realized it would take longer than she thought to chase them down and strangle them, she calmly sent Patrick to CVS so she'd have more time.
>>541727316and you and every nigger cattle normie faggot like you are all guilty of countless rapes and murders being done to whites, boys and girls, men and women of all ages and you're just gonna sit there and say being 'angry' about it is a sin like the fucking soulless cuckold hack you fucking are.You will die in a fire and you will die screaming like the boy whore you are and if you're lucky, your supposed guardian angel will come to accuse you of all YOUR sins.
>>541737014Imo, there are two possibilities for why she did it:A. She resented the kids and wanted to be free of responsibilityB. She wanted to commit suicide and wanted to take her kids with her because she didn’t want someone other than herself raising them or because she thought they would suffer without herBoth reasons are murder 1 because they indicate premeditation and both are common reasons for why non-psychotic women kill their own kids. There is good evidence she was suicidal for months before it happened and I haven’t seen much evidence that she was a bad mother to her older kids
>>541737295Other than when she killed them of course :(
>>541727542Holy shit that is the most Jewish doublespeak word-mincing garbage I have ever read. I want to light you on fire.
>>541737014I dont deny her psychosis claim. People think that having a mental illness gets you off the hook which it does not. She still killed her kids she could have just decided to end her own life and not hurt anyone else. The hearing voices part is usually bullshit excuse. Most people who have psychosis dont actually hear anything but their perception of themselves and others around them changes drastically. They begin to fear others and withdraw socially. There is the constant feeling of bring watched being judged feeling like your life is about to end. She clearly knew what she was doing so she was not insane in the sense that all her faculties were compromised but she suffered from severe forms of depression and anxiety.
>>541737295It's hard for me to believe that her suicide was genuine considering it's like the dumbest way I could imagine. Plus she's a nurse so why wouldn't she slam a bunch of meds and pass out with a noose? But I suppose it's possible she really was stupid enough to think you could die from jumping out of a 2 story.
>>541727707thats like claiming youre sorry you killed that old lady with your car but you were just too shitfaced to know what you were doing. by your own logic, it makes perfect sense. but by the jewish talmudic system's, you made both decisions of your own volition. in this case, the woman proceeded to have children knowing the risks it presented, as she had had children previously. unless she came out of this experience somehow altered, not knowing killing her kids was wrong. but shes not, shes claiming temporary psychosis. and its a stupid defense. she was on her third kid, any temporary psychosis excuse flew out the window with that second kid.this is such a nothingburger case. media will make a goldmine of it tho and pretend like its the next OJ because things are just that bad and theyve got nothing better to do
>>541737365That's the legal standard for an insanity plea, retard.
>>541727707>but if someone is in the process of harming my kid, then in that period of time, I would not be able to control myself and would likely harm that person greatly.You are a colossal cuck if you would not deliberately hurt someone that is hurting your child.
>>541733199She's probably going to run for office for the DSA.
>>541727463I believe this.
>>541736441Those drugs were prescribed to her, anon. She didn't buy black market SSRIs and snort them or something. Shit like this just gets so politicized and sensationalized these days. People are freaking out like they were with Iryna totally losing their shit about the killer pleading insanity as if it meant that he would just like... be released back to the street, or something? Neither he nor what's her name are likely to ever be free again, so significant are the crimes to which they're literally admitting. And even if they DO get released like twenty or thirty years down the line... in a sense, isn't that evidence of the justice system mostly doing the right thing for once? It means that people with no necessity to literally ever release them (and quite a few financial incentives to avoid doing so, but that's a different rant) have deemed them effectively treated. Isn't it kind of an ethical burden to treat and eventually release people who were insane at the time of their crimes? Is it not fundamentally true that only people fully culpable to a crime should be imprisoned? That sounds like a literally foundational aspect of... America, honestly.
>>541725183>severe postpartum psychosis made her unable to understand that killing her children was wrongThat sounds exactly like the type of person who needs to spend their existence locked away from sane society. Why even have prisons or asylums if you're not putting someone like this away.
>>541737572and hes calling it jewish, retard
>>541725183Her myriad psychiatrist for A:switching between meds so often, and B:not noticing obvious warning signs and not even consistently acting as her provider (she had like half a dozen if I remember corretly). The mental health situation in the states is truly bleak
>>541727463
>>541737073youre literally defending a cryptojew who would barge into white peoples homes unannounced in order to seize potential "pagan contraband" anon, get off your high horse
https://youtu.be/_FeiIs4hN14
>>541737676They released a guy who killed his 3 kids here the other day. Of course both Iryna's killer and this cunt are going free after some retard doctor says they are cured https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/allan-schoenborn-conditional-release-9.7223122The shrinks tried to free that guy just 1 year after the murders and the gov had to step in and say wtf are you doing hell no
>>541725183Of course a sick broken bong is going to say this shit.
>>541737567>in this case, the woman proceeded to have children knowing the risks it presentedMaybe she thought abortion is murder kek
>>541737874You don't think 18 years of treatment might have materially improved his mental illness?
>>541737963do you think 2 years of mental health treatment cured that pedophile priest from the boston globe story?
>>541725262I unironically read all burgerposts in the voice of Bandit Keith from yugioh
Good law is protecting not only people but also law itself. The judgment and penal system function is also making such a punishment that society behaves and is not left with widespread impression that they need to take justice in their own hands...
>>541738112No one's talking about cures, anon. I'm talking about the effective management of symptoms. I can't speak to the circumstances you're bringing up, partly because there's an additional political dimension to Keoneghan's case which got him off easy.
>>541737505>dumbest way I could imagineTrue but that’s explained by her being a woman, they are known for half-baked suicide attempts. One of the forensic expert witnesses mentioned they found a wine tumbler with prescription drugs in crushed and mixed in it with lemonade, they also have reason to believe she made it before her husband left the house. She also tried to cut herself with the knife before jumping. That indicates she was planning different suicide methods until deciding to jump out the window. It’s also possible she made those attempts to make it look like a real suicidal person’s erratic behavior but I feel that’s less likely
>>541725183The kids obviously as they were asking for it. They should have known that mommy wanted to go back to partying every weekend and getting cum dumped by randos and gotten the fuck out of her life. You pack your tiny little suit cases and walk your ass to an orphanage or mommy kills you. The oldest one carries the baby too. Pretty simple.
Fox News uses these weird airbrushed pictures of her to make her look more attractive I hate existence so much
>>541727542>It's being unable to understand right from wrong due to mental illness at the time of the crime.She admitted to knowing it was wrong to shrinks that interviewed her in the immediate aftermath. Before she changed her story to "I heard voices" three days later. It's insane that the jury is taking any time at all with this. There must be crazed foids who think they should be allowed to kill their kids on that panel.>>541737365Gigaretard.>>541737697Average retard.
>>541738501This bitch had no reason to kill her kids, if she wanted to kill herself, the husband was wealthy and both their parents were offering help, the kids would’ve been taken care of. If she wanted to leave the responsibility, she could’ve just divorced her husband and went off, there’s no way she really thought killing her kids would allow her to to still remain with the rich husband and she made no attempt to hide the crimes unlike casey anthony, so wtf didn’t she just abandon them and leave?
>>541725183>I get that she murdered her kids and people want justice butKILL YOUR FUCKING SELFI'M SURE GLAD 4CHAN HAS ANTISPAM FEATURES SO WE HAVE TO DOX OURSELVES TO POST JUST SO WE CAN HAVE AWESOME THREADS LIKE THIS
>>541738571Fox has been doing this kind of thing a lot in general lately. They keep bringing up how hot AOC and Abdul El-Sayed are, talking about their rippling muscles or raven black hair or whatever. It's weird until you understand that Fox's traditional viewerbase is pining for the fjords and will all be dust in the glue factory within a couple decades max. What's the primary demographic of people on the right amenable to their general views? Incels kek. I think they do it so they can imply this kind of Chad/Stacy dynamic and to soften up their new generation and get them hooked. It's a business, after all, not an center for ideological study.
>>541738650And the jury will decide all of that. My point is not that SHE is innocent or guilty or legally insane -- it's that the insanity defense is actually a real and well-defined thing.
>>541738800I am not confused by it I know Fox is an entertainment business that loosely caters to conservatives its just depressing this is as good as it gets in this shithole of a nation
>>541738650I heard the women in the jury were mostly older, which might not mean anything but it’s not beyond cuck faggot males today to white knight for female child killers. I followed the casey anthony trial closely back in the day and distinctly remember an interview with one of the jurors post-verdict, a white male somewhere between 20s-30s, and he was asked if they didn’t find anthony’s partying at a bar/club very soon after her daughter went missing odd, he was like “nah, she was just a young woman having fun,” not odd at all to him that her daughter had just gone missing. With faggots like that on the jury, all hope is lost
>>541725183>postpartum psychosisnah, she hated her kids theres video of her pouring water on her toddler and smirkingshe fully knew it's wrong and so were the murders
>>541725262i read all posts in a jeet accent or jewish accent depending contextually on how evil/depraved/stinky/scammy the post is. we’ve all seen the posts by country charts
>>541738941THIS is the genius play
>>541738880It is indeed very depressing that the media is as profit-driven as it is yet free -- as a business -- to make money from manipulating America's political process, left and right alike. In a large sense, the corporatization of news media violates the spirit of the law behind the necessity of a free press. It's not their fault, since government in our Founders' time was always the biggest player in town, but the way big money directs our media to manipulate us is philosophically totally opposed to our most basic ideals. That government can make no law restricting the speech of the media is almost quaint in an era where that media is directed by capital not just what speech is restricted but which speech is explicitly required in order to maintain employment.
>>541725183this is going to end with the psychology profession being completely discredited and purged from society.this bitch is marked for death anyway. This story has offended so many that either someone on the outside or anyone on the inside will get their 15 minutes of fame for the deed.
>>541725183guilty. they cant let this one walk despite anything. as they say, "it'll set a dangerous precedent"
>>541727542Regardless, this type of person shouldn't be allowed in public ever. They have already shown how easily they are broken. No matter how much rehab, you have shown how easily you are broken. Away from everyone the rest of your life.
>>541725183Why is the jury taking so long? Are the 3 men trying to mansplain to 9 women that murdering your children is wrong?
>>541739141>No matter how much rehab, you have shown how easily you are broken. Away from everyone the rest of your life.Everyone breaks, anon. You do, I do, she does, Trump does -- we can all break.
>>541725183Her husband was in the wrong for putting babies inside her to begin with.Never stick your dick in crazy. Psycho bitches deserve to live alone.
>>541728825>If she goes it'll only be a few months max now.She could still get a criminally insane verdict which would mean if she's medically cleared she will have to serve out a sentence and she won't get the time she spends in the hospital going towards serving out the sentence either.
>>541739258>Never stick your dick in crazy. Psycho bitches deserve to live alone.Nigga these bitches know how to lie about being crazy. Do not underestimate a psychopaths ability to fool another into believing they are capable of love.
>>541739114Psychiatry is the one being aimed at, and online at least indications are that docs are anxious about the future. Mental care for women is going to get much worse, that’s what they’re all expecting lol. Even on cucked forums like reddit, psych doctors are openly lamenting how 20s and 30s upper class white women have always been the nightmare demographic, including women who are in that demographic themselves lol
>>541739288That's a little different. If she's declared unfit to stand trial, they'll treat her until she is ready to stand trial... and then she'll be tried. That's about a defendant's mental state at the time of the trial. Being ruled not guilty by treason of insanity is an evaluation of the defendant's mental state at the time of the crime.
>>541739240Cool. I didnt kill anyone and kept my problems to myself.
>>541737963NoThis guy stabbed his daughter to death and after almost 20 years of sanity juice he was released and stabbed 3 people https://globalnews.ca/news/11493414/man-accused-chinatown-stabbing-attack-not-criminally-responsible-mental-disorder/
>>541727316>righteousness and Godliness appear as pride to the wicked, for they do not know the Lord, and he does not know them.
>>541734656see>>541730946
>>541739141>Regardless, this type of person shouldn't be allowed in public ever. They have already shown how easily they are broken. No matter how much rehab, you have shown how easily you are broken. Away from everyone the rest of your life.Honestly cannot believe the virulent sexism I am hearing. That would mean 90% of whores are not permitted in public and are put on the chopping block for misconduct and abuse towards men. All of the clubs would be emptied out of sluts immediately. This is some kind of Nazi-fascist dictator patriarchy wet dream that will never come true, I'm afraid, it simply is incompatible with modern Western liberal democracy. You've been reading too many fascist thinkers like Curtis Yarvin and Julius Evola, terrorist.
>>541725183I think she needs a medal for being so brave
>>541739258How was he supposed to know? Her life before third kid was completely normal, she was just another run-of-the-mill white woman with a long dagger-like nose. Apparently first in her nursing class. No criminal history. The dude is a sales executive at Microsoft, he probably did his vetting within reason. In older times, when arranged marriages were a thing still in the west, you would have a chain of women in your family lining up to investigate and find every little issue with any potential bride and report back, they have their ways of sniffing out issues with other women that men don’t notice. Still works that way in Arab and South Asian cultures, but it’s a thing of the past now here, you only have your own solitary judgement to verify if the bitch presenting herself to you as a normal human might go psycho and annihilate all your kids some day in the future
>>541738206Good observation. The law must meet expectations
She brought them into this world, and she can take them out. That's what my mama always said.
>>541725375It's bait, they say ozzys are the best shit posters but the british are masterclass in it and dumb foreigners always fall for it
>>541725183If post partum psychosis is real and bars women from being held responsible for murder then pre coitus psychosis is real and bars men from being held responsible for rape.Women aren't the only ones capable of experiencing raging hormonal fluctuations.
>>541739543Sounds like they made a bad call letting him go unsupervised. My point stands.
>>541739473Want a cookie, or something? A big gold star for not killing people? So long as you continue refraining from killing people, it sounds like you're not really the point of this discussion, are you?
>>541727463what the fuck
>>541739387We should be grateful. Sycophants prescribing meds like they were m&ms. Whole industry needs to be chucked into the fire, and the courts should start carrying out death penalties for convicted killers by stoning.
>>541727707> She couldn't control herself in that period of timeWhere is the proof for this? It's not the obligation of the prosecution to prove that she had control. This is indicated by the fact that she committed the deed.
>>541725183>you can excuse any crime as mental illness Or>women are inherently fucked and cannot be trusted with certain rights and privileges because of their insane biology
>>541740070Yes. Giving royal honours to suffragette terrorists and erecting statues in London then genuinely making a deliberate push to become matriarchal and gynaecocratic with w*men in powers of authority and officer enforcement outdoes any Aussie shitposting I've ever seen.>it was just a prank m8
>>541727463kino post
>>541738895It really goes to show how rotten it all is. Juries were made so that moral people could be responsible for their own communities. Now the government is an inept tyranny and the people are irresponsible retards. Our institutions are literally not intended to function in this kind of environment.
>>5417252692pbp and /thread
>>541740780Yeah you could have major depression and still know what your doing is wrong.
>>541725183I agree, my pre-nut testosterone induced psychosis made me unable to understand that raping was wrong, so i should not be held criminally responsible
>>541740883>It really goes to show how rotten it all is. Juries were made so that moral people could be responsible for their own communities. Now the government is an inept tyranny and the people are irresponsible retards. Our institutions are literally not intended to function in this kind of environment.so... democracy precisely as intended then
>>541740911That's exactly it. The way the legal system defines it, you can actually "have" anything and still know what you're doing is wrong... except insanity. There is absolutely no mechanism for taking a broad swath of symptoms and checking them off a checklist which determines whether or not you were criminally insane. The definition -- knowing right from wrong at the time of the crime -- is deliberately only an heuristic because the justice system itself is supposed to determine that according to the burdens of the state and the evidence both sides can provide for their positions. The idea that other anon proposed where "if postpartum insane then mad incel insane" is just not how the system operates on literally any level.
>>541730946>psychiatric medication>therapeutic dosesNigga, what? As compared to what, exactly? Recreational antipsychotics? Of course the prescribed doses are "therapeutic", else they either wouldn't be effectual or the side effects would be debilitating; you've just done a meaningless tautology.
Good'ol beating into default settings beats any big pharma SSRIs prescription.
>>541727463seems like strangling your children is just an irish mom thing
>>541738861Okay... and my point is that in this particular case the insanity defense obviously doesn't apply based on her behavior before and after the murders, and her own admissions. Especially given that she had the wherewithal to change her story a few days after the shock wore off and reality sunk in. The fact that the jury hasn't returned a verdict yet shows that the screening process failed in this case. >>541738895This. I am guessing it's going to be a hung jury and a retrial, otherwise we would have had a guilty verdict by now. The relevant facts in this case are so in your face and obvious that there isn't any reason for them to still be deliberating other than sympathizers refusing to convict. I don't see someone who wants to convict giving up their position either though. So it takes only one actual human on that jury to make sure she doesn't get the outcome she wants. Then they'll have to somehow find 12 people who have been living under a rock for the retrial.
>>541741146>noooo muh fee fees at the time of the crime>jury in egalitarian 'justice is blind' relativistic system begging this woman to disclose her psychology.>claims to be justiceLol. Just do it based on ontology of who did it and type of crime like our ancestors. W-men betraying womanhood are condemned to death regardless of her psychic condition and fee fees. even if you based it on 'insanity' it should consider whether she knows it was wrong when not psychotic. as if guilt can change based on a w-man's whim. cucked judaeo-matriarchy democratic system.
>>541741146But she clearly knew what she was doing was wrong. According to her testimony she heard a voice telling her to kill her kids which grew stronger and more agitated until she lost control as she described being overwhelmed with an irresistible urge to harm her kids. Was she insane no doubt and yet was she fully there and control? I don't know she seemed as if possessed by something. I honestly doubt she wanted to harm her kids she didn't seem to express remorse which is a symptom of her dissociation a vital coping mechanism for severe stress.
>>541725183If a woman kills her children she should be killed.Reasoning is irrelevant.Anyone capable of killing a child should not be allowed in society. If the bitches supporting her are right that this could happen to any woman, then that means the only rational thing to do is put women in chains and closely monitor them at all times to prevent them from harming children.The fact leftists want to make this about her and not the kids is the problem with leftists and its why they dont deserve rights.
>>541741625>on ontology of who did itOntology, the study of reality as it exists largely in and of itself, (i.e. metaphysics) is an extremely crude term for what you're saying. It's a level of abstraction beyond what you're otherwise reaching for here.
>>541741643demonic possession gets you instant death by bog. she was probably summoning demons with her abortions for tiktok anyhow.
>>541741930No. It's not abstraction, but what legal code has precisely been based upon. Metaphysics is the cruder term, ontology defines the type of being and roles, duties, ethics and meaning at a deeper layer. Stop trying to be Mr. Expert when you can't even wrangle yourself out of a relativistic legal system. Ontology solves it far more concretely than anything else. Americanism and modernism are both allergic to ontology. Societal roles are all statements about ontology, the basis of the civilisations from which these very legal codes are derived, yet have abandoned.
>>541741571>Especially given that she had the wherewithal to change her story a few days after the shock wore off and reality sunk in.>and reality sunk inIn psychosis, it's insufficient to catalog self-reported statements as if they are real. If you think about it for a second, the act of doing so assumes the conclusion: that the potentially psychotic person is making sufficiently rational (with respect to external reality) statements such that they conclusively evince... that the person isn't or wasn't psychotic. The content of their statements is evidence, but you have to catalog and analyze them from a different perspective. It's a delicate and nuanced process beyond simple "he said, she said."
>>541735447This is why you're single.
>>541738188it was our language first, you commie. get out of my country.
>>541741930>>541742104It is so funny that people will hand-wave away concrete knowledge with crude terms like 'abstraction' simply to demonstrate what they are missing. In reality, it's another disguising of foppishness under haughtiness and intellectual refinement. Peak midwit personality trait. ChatGPT could have given a less gay answer.
>Should I give my kids up for adoption?>No, I must kill themLeftism is a mental disease
>>541742104I don't think you understand the terms you're using. Ontology is about the nature of reality. If reality is physical, then ontology, the physics governing physics, is indisputably metaphysics. Please go back and understand basic philosophical terminology before you try to use them to construct arguments. If I want to understand what happens if I apply an arbitrary force to a box at rest in a local frame, I don't care about the nature of the reality which permits it. I care about the laws which govern it. These questions are at different levels of abstraction and they aren't interchangeable.
>>541741195she wasn't on ssris
>>541728687>I want to have kids>oh noes I want to kill them
>>541725183>post partum psychosisok, so she gets life in a psychiatry ward, we have cases here in Sweden with people who have spent 50+ years locked up in psychiatry, this bitch thinks she can get away with murder...child murder
>>541725183>made her unable to understand that killing her children was wrongthen why did she try to kill herself right after?
>>541742299If anyone is hand-waving anything, it's you. >>541741625>Just do it based on ontology of who did it and type of crime like our ancestors.Your response to a post about the way the American legal system operates was literally "just do it based on ontology." You then went on to give no test or method by which we could even start "just doing it based on ontology." You threw a word out extremely clumsily and then started pretending that whatever half-baked reasoning you're employing is readily apparent and obvious to someone who isn't willing to nod along, fill in the blanks for you, and pretend what you're saying resolves to anything at all.
>>541739944Your momma was a cotton pickin' liar!
>>541725183she looks ultra jewish btw, can anyone confirm?
>>541742417I read up on it. She was on trycylic antidepressants, mood stabilizers, buspar , and benzos at various points. They tapered her off the benzos klonopin which is standard after a month since they are very addictive so she was left with no crutch. Should have gotten her a bottle of jack and told her to take it easy
>>541742350I know precisely what the terms I am using mean, and have even defined them for you, you have inverted them. Metaphysics is the nature of reality (above physics), ontology defines the type of being and is a subset metaphysics, so therefore more precise. Don't demean people when you have demonstrated the lack of philosophical knowledge yourself so you can be Mr legal expert and control the conversation when it starts to reveal truths that make you uncomfortable.I have a richer understanding than you, your condescending language is a disguise for your spinelessness so you can keep this legal farce running.Ontology is a subset of metaphysics that refers to the nature of being and the eternal principles directly relevant. Kindly fuck off and don't tag me with these inane dunning-kruger messages simply because you are scared of asserting typology at a higher level like our ancestors did. It is not an adult discussion, but schoolyard-level whining. Not surprised you give so much credence to her fee-fees. That response also makes an ontological statement about you, foppish trash.
>>541742593>Ah yes, you didn't give an entire legal system in an off-hand one-line comment so I win! you must define an entire empirical legal code now by my a priori suppositions or you lose!Excellent job moshe. I might quote this anon here, which I wanted to do earlier but couldn't >>> >>541737365>Holy shit that is the most Jewish doublespeak word-mincing garbage I have ever read. I want to light you on fire.Stop trying to dominate the thread little man, your legal 101 course hasn't given you the '''ontological''' authority over me.
>>541742906>>541742593Always judaeo-legal psychopaths trying to handwave truth away with 'abstraction' and 'empiricist' when they are intimidated that they are not the big boys in the room. It's another power grift>>>>>541739709
>>541725183Ignorance is literally no excuse for the law. Fucks sake, "hey siri. Is it illegal to strangle my 3 kids to death?"... "yes you dumb bitch". Case closed.
>>541742803>she looks ultra jewish btw, can anyone confirm?Yeh, surprised that they didn't try a "religious freedom" defense. Sacrificing her children to Molech is an ancient jewish tradition going back millennia.
>>541725183Believe it or not, nigger animals for example also don't understand that murder is wrong
>>541742827You're right, my definition was sloppy. My mistake. But you agree that it is metaphysics, at least. By your words, it's a "subset metaphysics." Can you identify for me the branch of metaphysics used to determine psychosis? You're claiming that I was hand-waving but didn't specify where or how I was hand-waving. I'm asking you for one small test implementing your "ontological" legal system. Can you connect abstract metaphysics at all to reality?
>>541731425no sorry she did it to herselfall this Indo-European grammatical gender troonery is confusing to me
>>541725183She should be publicly strangled to death. It will cure her depression.
Btw out of all SSRIs out there Zoloft is the worst since in interferes with the same reuptake that is used for memory forming. She apparently was prescribed it before complaining of insomnia and discontinued it use abruptly. Not saying it caused this but Zoloft had been linked to numerous cases of self harm
>>541727542hehe I hope I don't get a little depressed in front of a synagogue
>>541737835I hate christcucks and symphatize with pagans, but if you disagree with that quote then you're a subhuman animal.
I remember for a long time the justification for "not guilty by plea of insanity" was that the person would end up in a mental institution and that was a fate far worse than prison. Nowadays do they even put insane people like this in institutions? Will this lady end up in one?
>>541727316>Jesus with a whip in temple beating (((merchants))), circa 33 AD, colorized.
>>541743340Me, too. It would be a really stupid thing to throw your life away over, and even more stupid a thing to justify taking the lives of others.
>>541743285zoloft is for depression, this bitch claims she was psychotic, I think she can go to hell t. actual schizo
>we have to let jurys do their own thing for countless hours otherwise they will be forced into making a decisionwhere do they draw the line here man!
>>541743193>chatgpt legalese answer>massively insecure man tries to install insecurity into another to coereve him and fails, resorts to empiricism as another coercive tool.I don't have to because my original response denied these 'tests' and democratic juries to begin with and posited an older method that transcends the modern degradation of legal systems with the very preceding law that they are founded upon. In a patriarchy, this law>>> says that the husband has full powers of a censor upon divorce. Something similar would be implicated in actual murder.>>541739709The modern American legal system has failed, which many others agree with in this thread. How's that common 'common sense' working out for you?Hope you are paying for the expensive chatgpt model, shill, the free version won't cut it. Maybe it can help you can get an insane murderer off against every human and moral instinct. Concession accepted.
>>541725183Postpartum women who kill their kids should be violently tortured to death
>>541743456Now people see the big room full of 100 bunkbeds and black people and say: I'll take the mental Institute!
>>541725183She attempted suicide because she knew what she did was wrong and she would spend the rest of her life behind bars
>>541739387>Even on cucked forums like reddit, psych doctors are openly lamenting how 20s and 30s upper class white women have always been the nightmare demographic, including women who are in that demographic themselves lolPretty much the precendent from here forward that is being set (not just in psychiatry but also legal cases of this nature) with this and similar analogous cases.Among the public broadly, it is going to cast even more skepticism and doubt about pharmaceutical corporations and medical-industrial establishment. (Doubts about the general integrity of civil society overall, its morality and that of the justice system are a separate matter)
>>541743538>>>541743193>shill script, used in this very thread
>>541743495She was also prescribed Seroquel which is used for both insomnia and psychosis.
>>541743456thats such a dumbfuck adamruinseverything take>umm aackshually, mental institutions are even worse than prisons!no theyre not, and then they get out in 3 years anyway Mona
>>541743538>I don't have to because my original response denied these 'tests' and democratic juries to begin with and posited an older methodOkay, but can you understand why someone might read this as evasive? "Men should decide" is at least a coherent stance, but I'm not seeing how that's a necessary principle of your "just do it based on ontology" legal system -- in large part because you consistently refuse to, ironically, do anything more than wave your hands about it. What is it about "ontology" (yes, we are still at this stage because you refuse to drop the act and give a straight answer) which, according to the nature of reality, which you have invoked, implies... anything about what you're saying at all?You're doing a lot of assertion and posturing but very little, if anything, of substance.
>>541727463>CDCwhat does that mean
>>541742153>the insanity defense obviously doesn't apply based on her behavior before and after the murdersWhy did you ignore this part, choosing instead to strawman based on a figure of speech? By "reality" I obvious meant after the shock of having murdered her three kids and failing to kill herself had worn off. Not that she was detached from reality in a way consistent with the legal definition of insanity.The case doesn't rest on her statements alone, although they are perfectly valid evidence given that there was zero behavioral evidence of psychosis. Psychosis is extremely obvious when you see it and she exhibited zero symptoms of it immediately before or after the murders to qualified professionals. It's not a state that can lasts for 15 minutes just long enough to kill your kids and then you go back to perfectly normal function, which is what the defense is trying to argue in this case. She even handled a phone call from her husband while literally in the middle of killing her kids and acted perfectly normal for him. There is absolutely zero evidence in this case of any psychotic break. Instead there is>acting not psychotic right before when she got released from inpatient>acting not psychotic all day preceding the murders>acting not psychotic right after the murders>having detailed recollection of the incident in initial interviews>answering questions about whether she had known at the time what she had done was wrong (she said yes)>a few days later starts pretending not to remember things that she remembered in earlier interviews and concocts a story about having heard voices It couldn't be more fucking obvious that she decided the loony bin would be a better option than prison and started trying to sell an insanity narrative. So why exactly are you simping for a twisted bitch who killed her three kids in cold blood and is now looking for an easier way out than prison?
>>541725183>crazyI would put them in an observation cell.If they know enough to wipe their ass after taking a shit, they're not crazy.
>>541743482I know, it would be horrible, which I presently understand due to being of sound mind, but you never know when depression could kick in and just make you totally oblivious to right and wrong
>>541743285she said she took one 25mg (sub-therapeutic) dose in october and stopped immediately because of worsened insomnia and racing thoughts. i know you're obsessed with ssris, but you're just going to have to accept that she wasn't le heckin ssri junkie.
>>541743847>Why did you ignore this partI directly addressed that, anon. In fact, honestly, I ignored everything BUT that part because it's the crux of the entire issue: the nature of psychosis and its reliability, and how to avoid begging the question. I'm not trying to hem you up on how you phrased it. I was going to, but decided not to. The extra line of greentext should have been deleted because nothing which follows relies on it at all. My bad on that part.
>>541736006>wanting to participate in wheelchair sportskek she's going to throw that wheelchair away right after the sentencing
I've done her drugs before, never did I think about killing kids. Ever
This case is a good one, because it makes us examine the root of justice. If we imagine that our "justice system" delivers the maximum amount of justice, what would that mean?Many people would agree that it means (1) rehabilitation: where possible, convicted criminals should be re-conditioned, subjected to evidence-based methods to re-integrate and function in society. This is a real rabbit hole, leftists often get lost in. Leftists suffer from a crippling level of Universalism -- everyone is exactly like them, and if they could just get the "right help", there would be no recidivism, and potentially no crime at all. In this worldview, people basically do not exist, they are just Newtonian billiard balls being pushed around by external forces, and we just need to adjust those forces to keep them from going into the wrong places. In the Clancy case, rehabilitation is either unnecessary (years after post-partum psychosis) or impossible (not something that can be addressed).So now we move on, the second pillar of punishment is (2) detterent. In reality, we understand that what we categorize as post-partum psychosis is a tragic but normal feature of mammalian development. An anxious mother, one who exists in a state of physiological stress (which can be brought on for causes both imaginary or real), a dangerous environment, will sacrifice her young. This is an evolutionary strategy that can be observed in many places throughout Nature, "survive and try again later". However, our medical establishment is not competent, and has other interests than representing reality, including the flawed and dangerous biomedical-pharmacological interpretation of human behavioral disorders, which makes hundreds of billions of dollars and is highlighted in this case.
>>541725183If you are psychotic enough to kill you should just be executed anyway. She’s guilty either way
>>541738650>It's insane that the jury is taking any time at all with thisAre you really expecting women to hold another cunt accountable for murdering her children? Kek
>>541743807Back to the original post>ontology of who did it and type of crime like our ancestors. W-men betraying womanhood are condemned to death regardless of her psychic condition and fee fees. Well, Mr GPT, it would imply an anti-democratic-, patriarchal-/agnatic primogeniture- (picrel), aristocratic-, and sacred-rooted system, with precedent in both Roman and European legal systems, including English common law itself. Roman law had two components, of both sacred and legal law. Both are well-defined, taught in universities, and have shaped numerous codes across Europe. That means standards and ethics for women based on their roles, rather than 'legal' tests. The denial of any involvement of religion in the American code is one of the major factors that renders it allergic to any metaphysical statements about men and women and their roles, and further roles beyond that, such as that of the father, patrician, king, descendants, inheritances, and so on. It is a rather robust system. You can get there quickly by dissolving Parliamentary systems or by subjugating them under male agnatic lineage, like the rest of society. That is 'men should decide' in a more robust declaration, and one that is nothing novel, but has in fact, been the norm in Europe for thousands of years. Hence 'the basis of the system' from which Americans have deviated. It is a comprehensive critique of the American and modernist system, with no vagaries'.The founding fathers were anti-European, they warped the system. The Roman legal system has been instituted and re-instituted over collapse scenarios numerous times. 'Civitatis' as opposed to 'tyrannis'. Maybe when they let this woman off free, you can finally admit your founding fathers and the judeao-masons ruling you are extremely gay, and hate you, then finally come home, if you can shed your compulsive effeminate 'academic' foppishness.I was already explicit and cannot be more explicit.Lord Nelson: >>541741104
Members of /pol/ will understand that women are acutely aware of their powers granted by the State. Clancy being adjudicated as not responsible for this incident is a message about being absolved from responsibility over horrors. They intuitively understand that being able to evade culpability for a horror of such magnitude opens up the door to this and many other actions that can be justified. As rational, amoral power-seeking agents, women can use this information to further their goals, just like they do in the domains of the workplace, sexual misconduct allegations, marriage and divorce. In conclusion, the maximum amount of deterrent needs to be applied, to save children from imitators, and to prevent the use of this case in the public consciousness from empowering women to engage in antisocial and psychopathic behaviors with impunity.Given this reasoning, it doesn't actually matter if she was "in psychosis" or not. We expect that this kind of language will be used as a smokescreen to distance oneself from heinous acts, and our justice system should communicate "call it whatever you want to call it call it, you're done for life". This protects the greatest number of children, fathers, and society as a whole.
>>541744701>Maybe when they let this woman off free, you can finally admit your founding fathers and the judeao-masons ruling you are extremely gay, and hate you, then finally come home, if you can shed your compulsive effeminate 'academic' foppishness.>>541743807RETVRN
>>541742799No it's true, she absolutely would have if we were bad or if she got mad enough at my dad
>>541725183Men were in the wrong when they agreed to allow women to vote
>>541727463Just nuke this fucking timeline
>>541741571>The fact that the jury hasn't returned a verdict yet shows that the screening process failed in this case.They might be fighting over which of the lessers they will give her, esp the Involuntary Manslaughter thrown in at the last minute.
>>541744701>I ... cannot be more explicit.I'm starting to get that feeling, yeah. Can you try to answer this question without bloviating? You say here:>>541744701>it would imply an anti-democratic-, patriarchal-/agnatic primogeniture- (picrel), aristocratic-, and sacred-rooted system, with precedent in both Roman and European legal systems, including English common law itselfCan you show a bit of your work for me? Implication, at least, is well-defined. We might represent proposition P implying conclusion Q as P => QI think I understand what Q is: "an anti-democratic-, patriarchal-/agnatic primogeniture- ... aristocratic-, and sacred-rooted system".Can you walk me through what P is in your words and maybe a quick sketch of your lemmas and assumptions such that P implies Q?
>>541725269IF WE KILL HER.THAT MAKES US.NO BETTER.THAN.HER.OR SOMETHING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
>>541744903FAIR AND UNCONTESTABLE POINT.
>>541745352>Jay dyer has entered the Chat>Shifting the register of discussion rather than identifying actual defect in argument.>I'm the one bloviatingYou treat ordinary institutional implication as though I had claimed a single proposition in elementary propositional logic:P1 = political authority is not founded on equal individual sovereigntyP2 = sex, fatherhood, descent, and lineage have constitutive legal significanceP3 = paternal and agnatic authority extend beyond the merely private sphereP4 = inheritance and political continuity are organised through lineageP5 = law participates in a sacred order rather than being exhausted by secular-positivist legislationP1 + P2 + P3 + P4 + P5 => QQ = anti-democratic, patriarchal/agnatic, primogenitary, aristocratic, sacred-rooted constitutional order.The point is Q is itself a description of a constitutional order. They are partly constitutive implications, not some mysterious chain of deduction: if political authority is hereditary and lineage-based rather than derived from equal suffrage, the system is anti-democratic and aristocratic; if paternal and agnatic authority are juridically constitutive, it is patriarchal, sacred, and agnatic; if succession follows inherited lineage, it is primogenitary or cognate to such forms; if law derives legitimacy from a sacred order beyond positive legislation, it is sacred-rooted.The historical claim, thus: Roman law, European hereditary institutions, English common law supply differing precedents.Historically, that also means undoing the successive revolutions of emancipation that dissolved paternal, agnatic, hereditary, and status-based authority into equal individual Judaeo-Enlightenment citizenship; Q is therefore explicitly restorative.if you dispute P1-P5, the implication, or the historical precedents, identify which. Converting discursive constitutional argument into P => Q notation does not, by itself, expose ambiguity. It is notation, not rebuttal.
>>541728296> I don't understand why people are acting like not guilty by reason of insanity means she just walks out of the courtroom and returns to her life. She killed her three children. The defense is not contesting the fact that she killed her three children. "Not guilty by reason of insanity" here is not acquittal of the crime. It is a decision as to where she is going to probably spend the rest of her life: in prison or a mental institution. She is very, very unlikely to ever live a free life ever againAt that point you might as well abolish it like what is literally the worst that could happen
>>541743495She originally only complained of depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts without planning, and insomnia. Psychosis was ONLY claimed after meeting with her defense attorney
>>541745469In america people brag about having the right to shoot someone in thr back that stepped on your property
>>541745927Great, thanks, now we're getting somewhere. Now let's tie it back into the discussion. As you said here:>>541741625>Just do it based on ontology of who did itHow does ontology imply P1?
>>541741625>>541746186Since we're running out of time before the archive, let's cut to the chase: it doesn't. You can't outline a way in which ontology, as you invoked it, is even semantically meaningful, much less a mechanism which could be used to supplant the American legal system. As you (admittedly unintentionally) said earlier, you cannot get more explicit. You have reached the outer limit of your ability to make explicit what you implied. I'm not going to make the claim that this does or doesn't prove the impossibility to bridging reality and metaphysics because, honestly, I couldn't give less of a shit. I don't care about your make-believe ontological legal method and I care even less about the decidedly-not-ontological appeals to tradition you insist are wearing ontological clothes. When pressed, the metaphysics drops and out comes ancient rome and Europe and history and everything else you can look up a big word for. It's just razzle-dazzle. What I care about is your fundamental dishonesty. I care about the fact that you asserted an ontological argument and then spent two hours pretending a much more mundane appeal to tradition was ontological. Maybe because you think ontology means "truthful" or real or whatever. I care that you are wrong, and now that you've decomposed what I was trying to get you to decompose this whole time (thanks, discrete math 101 kek) I think it is plainly obvious that there is actually no ontological argument at all and there never has been. QED. See ya.
>>541734275Those guys better watch their back if she’s anything but NGRI, regardless of their vote, thousands of rabid femcels and their leashed faggots will try to dox and murder them
>>541746186Well, Mr Dyer, now that we know their meaning, ontology alone doesn't imply P1, there's an intervening juridical premise, which was already implicit in 'based on the ontology of who did it'.O = persons aren't politically primordial, interchangeable abstractions; father, mother, child, ancestor, descendant, patrician, king etc designate differentiated beings/relations/ontological types possessing different ends, obligations, capacities and forms of authority. As I said before.J = the juridical and political order ought to recognise and instantiate those real distinctions rather than erase them under an abstract equality of individual legal subjects.O + J => P1P1 = political authority is not founded on equal individual sovereignty.That's why the question is ontological, not merely procedural. If 'man', 'woman', 'father', 'son', 'house', 'lineage' etc designate ontological realities anterior to the state, with intrinsically differentiated relations of authority and obligation, then the constitution doesn't begin with N interchangeable sovereign individuals and afterwards ask what rules they consent to. It begins with an already differentiated order, and gives it juridical form.basically:O + J => typologically differentiated legal statusdifferentiated status + paternal/agnatic authority => unequal political authorityunequal political authority => rejection of equal individual sovereigntyHence P1.You can dispute O, J, or the inference, but asking how ontology relates to P1 doesn't rescue the earlier claim that I was somehow misusing 'ontology'. It just identifies the normative bridge between ontology and jurisprudence.
>>541746565>nooo it's just abstraction!>too decadent to adhere to the standards he claimedYou entered and sparked a discussion intending to humiliate, control the dialogue, demean, handwave away, and could not sustain a higher critique, relying on notation word games and casuistry. You are disjointed from tradition and Europe, and presume to bring everyone down into your '''ontological status'''.I know what terms I use, remember, it was you that didn't.Not everyone carries the same limitations as you, nor the American legal system. I know others with the same principles. You are not the centre of the world.Do you even know what QED stands for? I am fluent in Latin and many of those quotes are original translations. quod erat demonstrandum. Next time, stop trying to coerce people with formalisms. Bye Ameritrash.Concession accepted.
>>541746896Ameritrash are always despicable human beings, no exceptions. Not surprised he was trying to defend a murderer, and not surprised their women are so bad either. They deserve them. Thugs, and bullies. There is no aristocratic bone in their bodies.
>>541746565Ancient Rome is sacral law, dummy.>>>>>541747010Paine's 'common sense' hasn't done too well for your 'ontology', has it? It has loosed every lesser type, which we see before us. Europe has not abandoned it.
>>541747262The Americans have bastardised the Senate. Its root in Latin is 'senex', or 'wise elder male'. What Americans have forced is more of a tribune of the plebs. An ancient Roman would have a panick attack if you dropped him in the middle of the USA.The proper Latin root for an elder woman, even then used with derision, is 'anus'.Americans, and more generally, moderns, are bad people, they deserve what they get. Even their women act with this despicable, controlling personality.>it worked when mummy did it to me!
>>541746896>>541746565>Not everyone carries the same limitations as you, nor the American legal system. I know others with the same principles. You are not the centre of the world.Always remember your place, despicable Ameritrash. May the gods curse you. And they shall. You deserve what you get. Japan is the last standing nation that maintains what I speak about.
Stop trying to make her look white in these photos.
>>541746896>Not everyone carries the same limitations as you, nor the American legal system. I know others with the same principles. You are not the centre of the world.>>541746565Run American. Run from Europe.
