Judge finds NYC mom with postpartum psychosis not guilty of killing her 2 young kids. https://nypost.com/2026/08/28/us-news/judge-finds-nyc-mom-with-postpartum-psychosis-not-guilty-of-killing-her-2-young-kids/ Case is just like Lindsey Clancy’s case Dimone Fleming, 26, was found not responsible by mental disease or defect in court on Monday for the deaths of her two children, 3-year-old Daishawn Fleming and 11-month-old Octavius Canada, at a Bronx family shelter, the New York Times reported. On the night of the gruesome killings, Fleming was “grossly psychotic and out of touch with reality,” according to psychiatrist Dr. Eric Goldsmith.
>>541736945That was a sentient being. It had emotions. It had friends.
>>541736945I don't understand why the mentally ill just get a pass to be violent shitheads. Surely, no one who murders children is ever truly "sane" to begin with.
>>541736945good.
>>541737187Correct. Go vegan
what if the husband gets post partum depression from the murder and kills her?
>>541737255Sane people have murdered children in every war ever. Sane people will commit any evil imaginable in the name of religion, ideology, tribalism, etc.
>>541736945Banworthy
>>541737187Animals don’t have sentience or emotions like you do. Their cognition is somewhere between humans and plants. They react, they feel pain, they have instincts, but they don’t reason, they don’t have intuition, they don’t have emotions, they don’t have values.
>>541736945>OCTAVIUS CANADA
>>541736945Time to buy a summer dress and a hatchet.
>>541737369Like non vegans, abortionists and circumcisers of infants?
>>541737369There's a difference between killing in the context of war and murdering children during peacetime
>>541736945>Case is just like Lindsey Clancy’s caseNo. One case is about an animal killing animals. The other case is about a human killing humans.
>>541737396It's a reminder of the original sin.
>>541737438All humans are animals
>>541737396They have emotions. >>541736945>Daishawn and OctaviusGood riddance.
>>541737289Hitler was a vegan.
>>541736945A jew helping a nigger commit blood sacrifice of their children on American soil.All those guns and y'all won't do shit. Funny.
>>541736945>Daishawn>Octavius lmao, niggers
>>541737396>animals don't have emotionsThe 18th century calledThey want their arguments back
>>541737396Thats a bad analogy they are like 2 year old human children
>>541737289Eggs are not really animals. Chickens lay them regardless and they need to be fertilized to do anything. They exist in there own category and are 100% vegan
>>541737255She is going to spend the rest of her life in a mental institution. No they don't just let them go.
>>541737509He is right. If they had emotions then domesticated cats wouldn't kill for pleasure.
>>541737396>they don’t have emotionsthis retard has never made his dog resentful and sulky by pretending to throw the ball multiple times lmao
>>541737358Guilty. 19 life sentences, chemical castration, and all possessions repossessed by the state.
>>541736945>those namesThat's a bunch of nigglets tho.No one is doing something bad killing nigglets, post-partum or not.
>>541737187we are in hell.
>>541737552I understand that but she's still getting off easy in comparison to going to real prison as a known child murderer
they didn't tell you about this other case because it wasn't helpful in the campaign to demonize white women
>>541737546the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures.The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week
>>541737546Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking.In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest, about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:>“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
>>541737255Only matters if crazy people kill someone important like a jew
>>541737428Is there, though?
>>541737546Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions. Before you next purchase eggs, or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst, remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. https://www.simonknutsson.com/the-seriousness-of-suffering-supplement They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension, something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable, it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony, the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced.
>>541737546The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.The average meat eater causes hours of that!This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry. As Ren says in an https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xtcgsLA2G8bn8vj99/reminding-myself-just-how-awful-pain-can-get-plus-an#Miscellaneous_thoughts_and_takeaways article that’s very worth reading, describing her own experience with fairly intense pain:A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hoursofhttps://www.pain-track.org/broilers[disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilersslaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year?How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?
>>541737552Not necessarily. She’ll be hospitalized until she is no longer a danger to herself or others
>>541737664All women are demons you fucking simp
>>541737570Humans kill other species for pleasure all the time. By this logic humans don't have emotions either.By the way, even clinically psychopathic serial killers have emotions. Those emotions just don't include empathy.
>>541737546you murricans got no free range or bio chickens over there?
>>541737589You’re assuming emotions are involved when you have no evidence or proof. Just because you would feel the emotion behind sulking doesn’t mean they do. Furthermore, dogs, like horses, have been domesticated over millenia to be particularly sensitive to and mirror OUR emotions.
>>541737570Humans kill for pleasure (hello, hunting and fishing as a sport, animal meat industry as the food is pleasurable, etc), and killing PEOPLE is even rooted into society in some historical civilizations (Aztec empire, Mayans, French guillotines where people would gather to watch out of pleasure) Your concept of culture and societal standards skews your perspective on this. You have been programmed to hold a certain morality. Cats can certainly feel emotions, they just have a predator instinct. Think harder about this kind of stuff. You truly think because cats kill prey that they're a husk of a creature and have no soul? If so, you're a retard.
>>541737730>>541737706The chicken literally lays eggs everyday regardless of human captivity. Nature made them that way. I can't speak for egg factories.
>>541737833yeah but you're not gonna breed with a black woman anyway and even if you do it'll be half black so not too badwhite women are worst of all because if a kid has 2 white parents then it's an enemy
>>541737882Free range and Organic is a scam Pasture raised is 5x the price in the grocery store
>>541736945>Daishawn Fleming>Octavius Canada>Bronx>out of touch with realityFind me a better definition for a jogger, I dare you.Also sheboon killing the next generation of nigs is of course not guilty.
>>541737893It has been rigorously scientifically proven through a century of experiments and research that animals have emotions. There is literally no doubt to that at this point, and anyone claiming otherwise is just sticking their head in the sand.
>>541737893The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree that animals like birds and mammals are conscious to a significant degreeall those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officersAgree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousnessThey can suffer a lotThey can also experience wellbeinglike me
>>541737552She'll be up for annual review and will be released when she's judged no longer a threat. That's the law in Massachusetts
>Goldsmith
>>541737977Feral chickens lay less eggsHumans selectively bred them to lay lots of eggsHens at vegan animal sanctuaries are given birth control to stop them from having a period to prevent osteoporosis
>>541737546>eggs are veganretard alert.
>>541737893>You’re assuming emotions are involved when you have no evidence or proof.I also have no evidence or proof you are even sentient
>>541737552I don't understand why we allow these people to continue to exist. If they're such a danger to society they must be kept away from society then put them out of their misery.
>>541736945She flushed 2 turds?
>>541736945>3-year-old Daishawn Fleming and 11-month-old Octavius Canada>daishawn>octaviusAnd nothing of value was lost
>>541738132Christianity “The sanctity of human life”Same with boomers who have a few months left to live and cost millions of dollars in healthcare
>>541737730The chart is clearly telling us "eggs" arent the worst. Also, Cage batteries are banned in civilized parts of the world (Europe).
>>541738087>strips away reproductive rights from a dumb animal for reasons other than to reduce overpopulation >look guize we're so ethical
>>541737925The instinct is more powerful than their subconscient. You woulen't get it because you are a sodomites, you're more close to animals than humans.
>>541736945Look at how peaceful he is. He ended up in a plastic bag heaven.
>>541737546Veganism involves all animals or animal derived products. Beeswax is not vegan, even if it is not a living thing or bound to be a living thing. Hope this helps, retard
>>541738184Yes but other practices like castration without anesthetic and gestation crates aren’t
>>541738102Yes vegans are retarded, thanks for the alert
>>541738286Is this you? lol
>>541737552lol, you are a few decades out of touch. they let these people go and then don't even monitor them. stuff some meds, stamp as not a threat, let em loose. justice system is totally broken. you're even on pol and you still believe the lie about being declared insane being a life sentence worse than prison. lmao. imagine how little normies know
>>541737289Vegans are all mentally ill. Like somebody who ends up being disgusted by the fact they poop, and then changes their diet to reduce the amount of poop, constantly stresses out about the causes of pooing, and eventually goes full retard and spends 99% of their time berating others for causing the world to be filled with so much poop.You were born to eat meat, meat based objects have to die to be eaten, this happens in nature constantly. Sometimes the animals don't die for days even as they're eaten. That's how it works. You're mentally ill if this worries you. Now go eat some meat, go for a walk, and try to cure your illness.
>>541738212>ad hominemGo ram a baguette up your ass, muslim dog
>>541738310>like castration without anestheticstill better than meatgrinding them. what happened to that infrared technology that could determine an eggs gender very early?
>>541738449muslim dogs have a easy time with so many faggots like yourself.
>>541738366Looks like the typical frog to me. Go tell your mother that her muslim bull is ready for another stroke now that he's done with your asshole
>>541737570>domesticated cats wouldn't kill for pleasure.domesticated cats kill for training, but they probably take pleasure in training.
>>541737187It came into this world to be ripped away from its mother immediately and be thrust into a short-lived, pain-filed and cruel existence.All because goycattle like their cheap meat and don't mind at all profiting from intentional cruelty and infliction of pain and suffering on others. It just has to be kept out of the public's mind. Eyes Wide Shut. I'm not a Satanist Kike so I refuse their disgusting treatment of animals. Only demons would in such a way and encourage and teach to humans to not only take pleasure in the suffering of God's Creations, but to think it is normal.
>>541736945> According to ((( Eric Goldsmith ))).
>>541738514>seethesYou lost
>>541738514Projection. We aren't raped by our rabbis and fathers in Europe.
>>541737255Jews. The nigger on the train that stabbed the Ukrainian woman was arrested 14 times prior. The nigger judge sent him to a mental health facility THAT SHE OWNED, did that MULTIPLE TIMES, and released him yet again, which is when he killed that woman. Of course the nigger judge was put in place by a kike judge.It's part of the anarcho-tyranny. They want life to be hella for normal people. Also this signals to other women that they can kill their children and suffer no consequences.
>>541738421>You were born to eat meat, meat based objects have to die to be eaten, this happens in nature constantly. Sometimes the animals don't die for days even as they're eaten. That's how it works. You're mentally ill if this worries you.
>>541737396a cat gave birth at the top floor of the apartment I live inone day i came back from work and i saw one her one of her kittens lying in pool of blood it seemed someone might've thrown her from the top, the mother kept meowing around her helplessly it felt like she was crying, she never left for while after we removed the dead kitten. animals do have feelings and emotions
>>541737552The nigger that stabbed the Ukrainian woman on a train was literally released 14 times beforehand.
This must have been such a difficult case for the judge. On the one hand, blacks dindu nuffin and shouldn't be held accountable for their crimes because racism. On the other, Nigger Lives Matter and those little niglets could have grown up to be space doctors. Do not envy having to make that difficult decision.
>>541738524Hunting instinct>>541738674Maternal instinct
>>541738132The government is fine with it. They're okay with you getting stabbed to death by a jibbering nigger, because that has no affect on how much money they can print for Israel. In fact it helps them, because if normal people like you could form healthy, stable communities, you might be a threat to them politically.This is all intentional.
>>541737670>>541737706>>541737755>>541737796>>541737833>>541737995>>541738025>>541738087>>541738183Bait, tardation, sarcasm?Ye be the judge.
>>541736945>more of those jewish blessings no doubtthanks jews.
>>541738739Literally any argument you're trying to make here can also be applied to the species of animal known as Homo Sapiens.
>>541738739>procreation instinct>therefor sex is no pleasure?
>>541738878Of course.
>>541738664>You were born in a universe, things have to fall down, this happens in nature constantly. Sometimes things don't hit the ground for minutes even as they're falling. You're mentally ill if this worries you.
>>541738631Je t'encule, frenchie. Go lick your brown pony's pole, eat shit and die
>>541737570Just passing by to say you're retarded
>>541736945women tell you what they are on a daily basis and yet you fuckwits will still wine and dine these cunts and defend them to your dying breath, your society will die and it'll be the least of what you deserve
>>541738664Jump off a tall building without a parachute.Gravity is just a fallacy.Go do it faggot!
>>541738906Then, by your logic, humans also aren't worthy of moral consideration because their emotions are also fake.
>>541737481Love that guy.
>>541736945>GUILTY
>>541737475True, but not all "humans" are human
>>541739028humans were amoral pieces or shit untill Jesus Christ showed up. That should be common knowledge in the human kingdom.
>>541738934>>541739012Gravity existing doesn't make gravity good, nor does it make it wrong to overcome it. We did overcome gravity, by the way. We made fucking spaceships, for Christ's sake.
>>541737289keeping Kosher is good enough for me.
>>541737187So? All life must die. What does it matter if it dies now, or later?
>daishawn>octaviusWe all dodged several bullets with this heroic act
>>541739079The Golden Rule existed in some form for thousands of years before Jesus was even born.
>>541737255If anything, that should increase their sentences from a shorter “rehabilitation” to a longer “let’s keep this dangerous defective off the general public”
>>541736945>Octavious Canada lmao
>>541739150>All life must die.
>>541736945>nypostPeople actually think this shit is real?
>>541737396>>541737570>>541737893>conformist cattle like me don’t have sentience or emotions like you do. Our cognition is somewhere between humans and plants
>>541739333We were refering to humans who don't have the excuse to lack of scientence but act like animals anyways because they are ruled by their primordial instincts.Glad you recognised yourself.
>>541737289Chickens shouldn't of said the n word
>>541737289>I can't eat eggs because they're alive>also I'm pro-choiceWomen.wav
>>541737358Read the names. There are two different fathers and neither stuck around.
>>541736945>(((Dr. Eric Goldsmith)))
>>541739412https://youtu.be/xcsODn_IeC0
>>541736945>Goldsmith.lollmoa even
>>541739471Would be interesting to see if vegans abort or are pro-choice at lower rates
>>541737187bullshit, he was an unlovable incel just like me.
>>541736945>psychiatrist Dr. Eric Goldsmith.
>>541739576It would at least be consistent if they were, which is why I doubt they are because vegans are retarded. But yes, having the stats would be interesting to see either way.
>>541736945jewish humiliation ritual. jews->evil monsterwomen->biggest joke aka jews' biggest weaponmen and children->victims
>>541739293Do your own research https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/9th-judicial-district/webcrims
>>541736945>her two children, 3-year-old Daishawn Fleming and 11-month-old Octavius Canada
>>541737396muslim or jew who never had pets.
>>541739087And? I didn't argue that gravity is a moral issue, I argued that it's the truth. In the same way, women are mentally retarded when compared to men. It's nature and it's the truth.
>>541738132>we4chan is not control of things. if things were controlled from here - jews/trolls and their bots living here, world would be paradise.
>>541739753>The world is built on cruelty towards others, therefore we should be cruel.This is your thesis, and that is a moral issue. Let's just cut the bullshit out.
>>541739818It only takes 1 dozen men with guns to shut down the power to most of the country. I am not encouraging this it would be very bad but it is possible which is why government needs to harden these systems
>>541737396As a rancher with cows, chickens and hogs i dont quite believe this i think they have some intellect but nothing even close to humans of course. Either way its the law of the jungle. I give them a good life and they give me meat and eggs. We need to stop this suicidal empathy bullshit it has made us into weak effeminate men. We eat meat and thats fine but we can do it without abusing the animals and giving them a decent life these days.
>>541739087This can't be bait.It's complete retardation and autism mixed in with some unwarranted self importance.But anyway...>without gravity life on this planet cannot be possible>therefore gravity good yes?>we did not overcome gravity, just found that a pig can fly with sufficient power and speed inside an atmosphere or outside (escape velocity, what is that, why is it necessary, does it mean we beat gravity, noooooo)Btw, that fallacies poster to whose authority (((you))) are appealing is not the 10 commandments, yes? yes yes?Fucking tard!
>>541737552Yeah, they do. There is also a shitton of court decisions on that. Keeping someone "indefinitely" institutionalized is not a treatment.
>>541739333Does winnie know you've disabled the great firewall again?Go back to eating dogs, bug.
>>541739947A dozen men couldn't even shut down a small town, bro.
>>541736945>Dimone>Daishawn>Octavius
>>541739576>>541739639>How many vegans are pro-abortion? A poll taken by Sistah Vegan reported that 44% of vegan respondents were pro-choice, 46% were pro-life, and 10% selected “not sure” or “other.” However, this data may be biased since the readers of Sistah Vegan do not represent all vegans.https://www.iamgoingvegan.com/vegans-and-abortion/
>>541737396How come when they sleep they bark and move their legs around like theyre dreaming?
>>541738184In case there’s any confusion: When chicken farms go “cage-free”, the chickens kept in battery cages aren’t suddenly released into open green pastures, stretching their wings, breathing fresh air, and strolling around in the sun. They’re still packed into the same gigantic metal barn that doesn’t even remotely resemble a healthy, enriched environment. “Cage-free” means the kind of cage has been switched from a single-chicken cage to one massive cage containing tens of thousands of other chickens.So true. And the girls we’ve saved from ‘free range’ farms are in the same or worse condition than the battery hens we’ve liberated. It’s impossible for them to establish a pecking order with so many crammed in a shed and they suffer hugely from overcrowding and pecking each other out of boredom and frustration. And of course, they all end up in the same slaughterhouse. For any of your readers who aren’t familiar with the condition of free range hens, I’ll share a pic of one of the girls, Nell, who was saved from a ‘free range’ farm recently.
>>541739639https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9o [Open]Abortion pills which can be easily obtained and ordered online work to to 14 weeks legal in all fifty statesThe earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltageslow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes
>>541737255> I don't understand why the mentally ill just get a pass to be violent shitheads.It exists as a point of strategic ambiguity. Certain kinds of people get to claim it, others do not. Haven’t you figured that out by now?
>>541736945Niggress late term aborted two niglets. Imo, she should be given replacement niglets from some orphanage and then we can hope for the best.
>>541737396You can feel what being an animal is like by looking deep into one of their skulls, I was able to do that with a deer skull and I even guessed that they had terrible vision from doing it
>>541740531> The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.This is one of those subjective points which always gets used to move the goalposts. Theres no point in being ok with any abortion, because they are going to always use whatever you’ve agreed to as the basis for expanding it more.
>>541737475m'roastie
How come women don’t murder their cats or dogs ? Why do they value animals over a human child, in this situation children that had no life crippling birth defects. Just good children with a bright future. Sad.
>GoldsmithThis has to be a joke.
>>541741216>How come women don’t murder their cats or dogs?Anon, I...
>>541741359that was a hunting dog that would have gone on killing random animals if it were not killedretard>>541741216probably because cats and dogs don't remind them that they need to be responsible (or be held accountable)
>>541741359He voted for it
>>541741464It was a loyal, loving sentient being whose life she was responsible for.
>>541741532stop roastieposting
>>541741558I don't even want to know what shithole that memeflag is hiding
>>541741634i touched a nerve huh
>>541741704if only you could touch a shower
>>541741725be careful or u'll overdose on that fake cope of yours
>>541741761your mom overdosed on my dick last night
>>541739087Why is it called the theory of gravity if it exist why is fundamentally different from the other 3 forces of the universe?
>>541737428>there's a difference when I justify itYou're proving his point retard.
>>541737396Anons are mad because they know you're right. You could say those same things about most people too.
>>541736945Wow, so even BPD schizophrenics serial killers are generally accepted in society now, what's even the crowd 4chan reaches out to now?
>>541742493If you can say it about non-human animals, then you can say it about literally all humans as well. All of the same arguments apply. >You don't actually love anything or anyone, it's just an evolutionary survival mechanism making you think you do>Literally all of your higher thoughts and emotions are just extensions of your primal evolutionary drivesAnd so on. And if you're just smugly accepting that's true like the other guy did, then the whole argument for treating non-human animals differently from humans goes out the window.
>>541742828>>541742493There are different kinds of egoism: psychological and ethical. Psychological egoism says that people always and only act in their self-interest. Ethical egoism says that people should only act in their self-interest. The big problem with ethical egoism is that it's totally ridiculous. Suppose that you could press a button which gives you some benefit but tortures a bunch of galaxies full of people. You obviously shouldn't press it. But ethical egoism says you should.Ethical egoists, in response to this objection, often try to tell some story about why pressing the button would really be bad for you. But we can stipulate away these features: imagine you'd feel no remorse, you can't trade with the people, no one will know, your memory will be wiped, etc. It still seems wrong to press it.What about psychological egoism which says that people always only act in their own self-interest? This is just very implausible as a fact about human psychology. Sometimes people
>>541737428Here.You dropped your tiny hat.
>>541742972throw themselves on a bomb to save their friends or toil for years so their children can have a better life. It's implausible that this is really in their self-interest. I think basically all good people all the time do things that aren't in their interest.I sometimes wonder whether psychological egoists have ever met a parent. Isn't it obvious that people often do things for their children's sake, not for their own?In response to this argument, psychological egoists start trying to tell some story about how the real thing motivating this behavior is that you feel bad when you behave badly because of guilt. That's true enough, but it's not at all plausible that that's why people do it. You might feel bad if you don't save your friends, but you will also feel bad if you explode.The standard of proof for "people always act for the sake of X," cannot be "when people act you can generally tell some story, however implausible, about how it advances X." By that logic, you could similarly say that people are only motivated by gaining money, or
>>541743143something.The argument that convinces people of egoism is generally something like the following:1. People always act in accordance with their desires.2. But acting in accordance with your desires is invariably self-interested.3. So people always act in self-interested ways.The big problem is that 2. is false. If you desire to help other people, it isn't selfish to help them. It's only selfish if you try to help them because you think it benefits you. But if you have genuine care for them, then helping them out doesn't involve acting in self-interested ways.
>>541737187The only reason you're mad is because it hasn't been turned into pork chops yet, you performative fag.
>>541742972>It still seems wrong to press it.This is moral intuitionism, which I do find valuable and make use of myself, but which is generally inaccessible to more sociopathic personality types. >>541743143>Sometimes people throw themselves on a bomb to save their friends or toil for years so their children can have a better life. It's implausible that this is really in their self-interest. I think basically all good people all the time do things that aren't in their interest.Connecting this to the earlier conversation, rats in experiments will reject food if doing so prevents the other rats from being shocked. The argument from earlier could theoretically extend to all of this empathetic behavior as well: it's still the self-interested evolutionary survival drive, except it's extended towards the species instead of the individual. What becomes dicey is cross-species empathy.
>>541737552Yes they do. They let them go all the time..I don't know where this myth that they're kept in asylum for life came from
>>541740531If the cells are dividing, it's alive.If it wasn't alive it wouldn't be doing that.No religious bullshit required, it's just true.
>>541743579I don't eat animals outside of some shellfish
>>541737396>I've Never Been Around Animals, The Postmy DUCK has more emotional range than a squad of hollywood actors. Get raped, loser.
>>541737187>Octavius>Daishawn
>>541744335I didn't even read the OP text, anon.
>>541736945This woman was living in a shelter. There were witnesses. She did not send her boyfriend on an elaborate errand. She had so few resources compared to Clancy and her claims of psychosis believable. The cases aren’t really the same.
>>541744458What about the male to female ratios on the juries? What about the quality of their lawyers?
>>541739853No, i said women are retarded and should not be voting. Letting them vote is actually the evil thing to do.
>>541740852It's all so tiresome
>>541746246Oh, you were butting in on a completely unrelated conversation then.
>>541736945If Lindsay Clancy goes free then women should no longer be given rights
>>541737396brownoid detected
>>541736945Goldsmith, every single time.
>>541736945Cute pigger
>>541747241shame on a pigger who try to oink game on a pigger
>>541737396>I get a free pass in commiting manslaughter because the butterflies in my tummy told me tosociety is in the spot its in right now because boomoids let retards like you in (((positions of power))).
>>541737255Yeah, I also don't get why mental illness is considered a mitigating factor. I rather be victim of a guy who hated my guts than a lunatic, who thought cracking open my skull will open the gate to Narnia or something.
>>541747241>>541736945Ukrainians will see this picture and still insist they are winning.
>>541749021But incarceration / finding someone guilty is supposed to be about deterrence, retribution, incapacitation or rehabilitation so finding a pitbull or a schizo guilty doesnt make much sense as opposed to putting them in a mental hospital
>>541737289>>541737187>jeet's law
>>541737481>somethings happening at both times means its jeet's lawSAAR
>>541737481>hannibal lecter kills humans to eat so it's ethical>napolean was short manlet so all short manlets are cool warriors
>>541737187Me too. And one day worms and fungus will rot me down to the bone, but I think it's retarded to cry about it.
>>541749212But people use it as a get out of jail card or to avoid the death penalty. I think if someone doesn't have a rational motive to commit a crime, they should be put down like a rabid dog. There is more potential for rehabilitation with a career criminal.
>>541749642https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwt35SEeR9w People are unsuccessful at pretending to be crazy all the time like this guy in this video
