>not considered CSAM because it's victimless, no real child was harmed, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (2002)>obscene material is protected when it's possessed privately at home. Stanley v. Georgia (1969)>protected by the 1st amendment, visual speechabolish the 1st amendment and get rid of the supreme court. adopt EU style parliament.burger bros, how fucked is our future with AI?This shit is going to pop off and the world will hate us for it.
'P? 'what's wrong don't want to get your post demonetized?
>>541737600uooohhhhhhh
>>541737729Nosois...
>>541737600Disgusting.
>>541737600She was nonexistent you sick fuck!
Prohibit AI from generating content involving anyone who looks under 20. Problem solved
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>>541737600Is it even your speech if you have AI generate something for you? AI isn't really a tool if you just hand off a prompt to it, it's like commissioning someone to make something, you don't get to take credit for the result.It feels like Elon Musk probably paid this judge off to save his own ass from being culpable in creating a technology that enables this.
>>541737600>adopt EU style parliamentyou mean have a bunch of unelected officials assume your intent with no scrutiny or evidence? nah.
>>541737600I've been saying this is where we're headed for a while. If you were to take a person from 1900 and stick them in theater with a modern horror movie filled with blood and guts, they would probably throw up and run out screaming. But, over the years we've been so desensitized to violence that we can sit and watch someone get chopped into pieces with a chainsaw while we smile and eat popcorn. Why? Because, it's not real. The same people that watch horror will freak out if you show them real gore, even though they look exactly the same. Child porn will be done the same. The AI girls will get more ambiguously younger, little by little. Until one day you'll open pornhub and it'll be nothing but AI created videos of what appear to be 5 year old children getting anal raped by a pack of niggers. And, normies will be fine jerking off to toddlers getting ass fucked, because "it's not real."
>>541738185The AI slop threads on /b/ are basically that. Mostly loli/underage shit.
>>541738185take your meds retarded schizoif you were to take a person from the 1800s and before they would be infinitely more violent & racist than you could ever
>>541738185I've seen a bit of what they're generating and they all have baby faces.
>>541738318No they wouldn't, you retarded fucking shit skin nigger. Just your dumb fuck ape people.
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>>541737600That's a realistic naked child there chat GPT... Ya mind showing us the pictures you were trained on???
>>541738185>And, normies will be fine jerking off to toddlers getting ass fucked, because "it's not real."Anon, what do you think of the notion of people actually attempting to kidnap and rape kids after watching too many AI-generated child porn
>>541738280>underagethey don't have an age. they are complete fabrications. they're not real.>>541738185>>541738318people back then married "kids"
don't people understand when you ban something the tools you use to ban it are the real question everyone would probably agree "bad stuff" should be banned but at the same time that's a retard level of review
>>541738185>we need to burn the constitution because of this slippery slope
>>541737600If it stops fags from fucking actual kids, so be it. I still think we can edit this shit out of the gene-pool over time, and should pursue such initiatives. Same with psychopathy, &c.
>>541737729KILL ALL NUSOIS
>>541738483Idk. People don't run around kidnapping other people and building intricate machines to kill them just because they like Saw movies. Will AI kiddie porn cause more child rape? Idk.
>>541738515I'm not necessarily saying we should stop it, or even how we could stop it. I'm just saying that's where it's headed.
>>541737600By your logic we should ban violent video games as well.
>>541737600How does csam laws work regarding ai? What happens if someone likes Rodgers and ends up making porn of girls who are tiny like tiny Trikie that's just basically looks like a child but is small. Also youtube is filled with child beauty pageants it's a bit to much children dressed in bikinis wearing make up. It's just to much.Just looking at a child will be like csam in the future
is ai generated milf futa porn legal?
>>541738097What makes someone a pedo maybe he should be given help maybe aiwaska could help him what makes some men and women attracted to shit like that
>>541738185>we've been so desensitized to violenceThe only reason you can have such a retarded opinion is because world has never been as nonviolent as it is now.People from hundreds of years ago had a lot more violence in their daily lives than we do now.
>>541738784What if you make ai generated normal print but the person in the porn looks like someone will you get in trouble for making porn of a normal person? In the 90s people would photoshop people into porn and it was ilegal to do that.
>>541738854>I watch Netflix and I know that the village got raped and pillaged everyday Fucking retard.
>>541737600Hold on, generating some cold pizza on RTX 5090.
How will the tell the difference? Seems like it makes regular cp enforcement impossible
>>541737600All this will change is that charges for child porn possession will be reserved for confirmed real images, while everything else gets slapped with obscenityThere already are mechanism for dealing with this, but the bleeding hearts will still push us further towards tyranny
who other than actual pedos calls it 'P?
>>541737600I'm not saying I support illegal porn, but the invasion of privacy and loss of rights we've suffered over illegal porn and terrorism has been worse than anything the illegal porn and terrorism has done to us. Governments fucking love it as an excuse to spy on your shit.
>>541739668But its not illegal. I don't know how it is in the UK but they also have a supreme court, no?
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>>541737600this has always been the case and if you thought otherwise you are retarded. "csam" is ONLY for real people, not fiction, not CGI, not paper cut outs, not drawings, actual living people.
>>541737600>>541737843cutefunnyuoooohhhhhhVICTORY
>>541737932how about prohibit retards, like you, from using computers at all, and we go back to the pre-iphone era where we don't care about this.
>>541737600Problem, glowniggers?
>>541737600Guess who profits from this?
>>541737600Good luck trying to enforce that shit.
>>541739291shartyniggers
>>541739136Yes. And much of the 'AI' content will still be essentially tracings of real images. The brain doesn't know the difference. This does not deter predators at all, it creates them.
>>541737600Most places will ban it, and we should too. I'm close to a free speech absolutist, but aside from whether pornographic images in general are speech, realistic cp images can muddy the water for enforcement. That is, real images can be claimed to be AI and vice versa. Best to make it all illegal. Someone generating their own local images and not sharing them would be able to get away with it since there would be no hook to start the investigation, kind of like sodomy laws back when fags actually did do things in the privacy of their own bedroom. Drawings are separate issue.
>>541737600Daily reminder that just because it's legal doesn't mean it isn't social death if someone were to find out you're doing it. Just because it's legal doesn't mean these social implications won't be haunting you in your daily life.
>>541738854>People from hundreds of years ago had a lot more violence in their daily lives than we do now.For the majority of people across civilized history in the west, the closest they got to violence was an unruly brawl that resulted in maybe someone getting stabbed or breaking a bone.
Why am I supposed to care about the sanctity of imaginary people, again? I don't like it but who is actually being harmed here
>I am content to generate AI cunny in the privacy of my own home.
>>541741039Real children who now have to live in a world full of mentally defective, stunted, circumcised and grotesque loser adults who sexualise them.
>>541741186They always have, they always will
>>541741329Lot of pain coming your way, then
>>541741186real children like yourself huh, kid
>>541740779Why does AI have real cp images in its database to make "tracings" of in the first place?
>>541738432>Ya mind showing us the pictures you were trained on???trained on pictures of naked women and clothed children. that's how image synthesis works
>>541738075Go be a shitskin somewhere else
>>541742567Dude, just extrapolate from bathing suit images and don't draw pubes. It doesn't need real CP images.
You can join the feds as a zoophile now
>>541742742>white women join FBI in droves
>>541741186This is not the site for (You) then.
>>541738958People used to attend executions and public torturings as a form of entertainment. You are a dumb nigger
>>541737600Kill all ameripedos
Kill all pedos, it's the only way to be sure.
>>541737600>charge for producing it still standsThat's retarded, what's next, getting real murder charges for killing NPCs on GTA VI because they look too realistic?
>>541743435Yeah, you dumb fucking jeet, and how many public hangings and torture do you think happened daily in those little villages? You stupid bitches watch retarded shit on Netflix and you're so fucking dumb you beleive it's real. No, you dumb fucking shit skin, people did not see blood and guts on a daily basis like people do now. They may have seen a hanging or two in their whole fucking life, but they didn't see simulated violence on a daily basis like we do. Dumb shit eating jeet.
>>541737600>no real child was harmedI mean.... Where did the AI get the training material from?
>>541737600>literally no victim involved>NOOOOOOO BUT MUH WITCHHUNT THO!!! Just find someone else to direct your hateful tendencies at. Child molesters still exist; theres no need to try to shove everyone else in that box.
>>541737932And how do you determine exactly how old an AI generated woman is, when women in their teens can pass as their 20's, and women in their 20's can pass as teens, just with a change of makeup and clothes?
This decriminalizes mere possession but not procurement, generation, or distribution, and only in that district. If you ask an AI to generate CSAM, you’re going to jail still.
>>541738500*Arrested for marrying kids
>>541738920Those are already covered by deepfake and revenge porn laws iirc
>>541743836Did you even read the screenshot
>>541743836The way I read it, it allows for the generation of it as long as you do it on your own software. Idk. But, it does set a precedent.
>>541743917US doesn't have any of those
>>541743962>But, it does set a precedent.We all know Trump is going to legalize pedophile on his way out in 2028
>>541738682That’s not how anything works. Just because line on graph goes up doesn’t mean it goes up forever
if that makes you mad, just move to europe, where fictional people have more rights than real adult men, and even the idea of starting the debate on the subject is illegal by default so nobody ever raise a voice against it.
>>541737600Huge win for freedom of speech Pedo LLolicon W
>>541742567multiple possible reasons>AI trained on government materials could have access to FBI databases for training material, and the FBI has one of the biggest cp databases in the world.>devs just let it free crawl and it stumbled on something that's coasting on the clearnet somehow, be it foreign language material or a honeypot, doesnt matter. >someone inside the dev team slipped actual CP into training data sets>developers let it crawl facebook/youtube for training materials and it used a bunch of footage parents take of their kids they shouldn't be sharing online that isn't porn, but is close enough it can be used alongside actual porn material to make believable CP
>>541744049Yeah, that seems to be exactly how degeneracy works, the line just keeps going down. But, maybe you're right. Maybe one day people will stop being decrepit faggots...any day now.
>>541743979Yes you do anon>https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/us-senate-passes-salazars-bill-protect-deepfake-revenge-porn-victims>https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11314
>white supremacist forum>pro loli pedo faggots posting everywhere in every boardi'm starting to believe the white people stereotypes
>>541737600censorship is jewish and gay
>>541744477that we're actually all mexicans?
>>541743915>Arrestednope
>>541743734>>541744199I don't get the whole "how was it trained to make cp without actual cp?" Just take a child's face and body, then slap some itty bitty titties and a bald pussy on it, and bam, you've got cp. What am I missing here? Do child vaginas not look like adult vaginas minus the hair? Do you actually need naked pictures of a child to make simulated naked pictures of a child?
>>541744477Self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh well. Nothing to save.
>>541738075shut the fuck up, newfag. it's called cheese pizza
>>541737600NOOO, my feelings are hurt let's throw away the constitution and all our rights
>>541744221Except it doesn’t do that at all if you know literally anything about history
>>541737600Where is the child?
>>541744982Annoys the shit out of me when people try and use every term under the sun except for calling it CP.
ITT increasingly Jewish amerigolems explain why a piece of paper written 200 years ago entitles them to fantasise about fucking children
>>541738097>Is it even your speech if you have AI generate something for you?Interesting angle. This is more or less the same question as "is AI generated art considered art?" (No I am not implying that AI-generated CSAM is art, I'm stepping back and examining the bigger picture, no pun intended)There exists a gradient of automation with the simplest stuff (e.g. fill bucket in paint) on one end and generative AI on the other. Somewhere along that gradient you go from being sufficiently human driven enough to define the result as being a trademarkable, copyrightable, protected-speech work to (arguably) being something that lacks sufficient human input to be classified that way.Where exactly you draw the line on that gradient is the hard part, and the annoying thing is that it'll probably end up getting drawn in several places in different contexts (like art, or literature, or computer code, or even the current thread) that will make it even more confusing to argue about how much AI something can be made from before it falls into one category or the other.
>>541737600nah m8, make all types of speech covered insteadthe 1st amendment is too weak, not too strong, the government shouldn't use coercion because of speech, regardless of what the content is, and if you disagree, just move to the UK and enjoy your censorship
>>541737600My wife and I saw this thing on Netflix, no idea which show. It's some dumpy porky-the-pig FBI (it's really the most accurate way to describe the specimen) suit sweating under interview lights who reels up with the most shit eating smirk and hits the camera with something to the effect of:>Well, it's not actually illegal to view child pornography, haha>I do it all day you know, it's tiresome really but somebody has to do itNow, i'm not sure if this guy was just trolling or stupid, but I couldn't help but wonder how many of these types of individuals are integrated into our most critical systems and what exactly this all means for everyone involved and that perhaps maybe this ruling has something to do with this kind of approach>Judges raise alarm about AI realismThis seems arbitrary at face value, but then again, I think a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea that somebody has a high enough resolution of discernment on the matter that they're effectively the only world leading CP experts with enough knowledge to make an effective judgment on what, exactly, "too real" *is*It's just weird, you know?
>>541744477its pro freedom of speech, shitskin
>>541749020>freedom of speech is when you make thinly-veiled CPAnd then you retards have the audacity to act shocked about people getting more anti-free speech.
>>541737600Kill yourself retard>somebody please think of the pixels!!!
>>541741186>childrenDefine this.
>>541737600Because the data centers need more money!
>>541750022The Constitution isn't suppose to give a shit what the majority thinks
>>541740637>>541741087based.>>541741006You "people" being deranged is why we have anonymity, faggot.
>>541738097>non-offendingI don't see their problem with him. Dude made an effort to curb his urges IRL by venting with fictional material, despite his mental illness he still tried to keep from offending. All this will do is encourage people like him to offend IRL since he knows he'll go to prison anyway, in his mentally ill eyes there's no difference so he may as well enjoy the real thing.
>>541737600I'd imagine /b/ and /gif/ are gooning their selves into an early grave right about now. I'm kinda scared to go look.
>>541738185Yeah but no A24 horror movie school principal is taking an image of your 12 year old baby sister’s face and pasting it to a fake, naked loli ai body that looks hyperreal getting gangbanged by a pack of nigerian princes and all her classmates accusing her of being a slut when it gets shared in a bluesky comment
>>541745546Oh nice effort post>Where exactly you draw the line on that gradient is the hard partIdeally it's right at the point of phase-change>the annoying thing is that it'll probably end up getting drawn in several places in different contextsWell, I have the solution to all of this, and i'm not invested into keeping it, so i'll share>AI generated CP is now totally legal but with a catch>The resources for generation are freely available on a Government website>A user inputs their info, ID, etc and it confirms you're not a primary caregiver and not in a profession with access to children. A background check, if you will>The models are closely regulated and cannot generate hyper-realistic images of real people>Users obtain and gen at their will>Now, drastically increase penalties for real CP, as there is no absolutely no excuses whatsoever - valid, legal and safe and most importantly watched outlets are avaliable>The crime now orbits the intentional bypassing of effective outlets (similar to alcohol regulation - the crime isn't drinking - it's bypassing regulation regarding production and distribution)>This eliminates all nonsense surrounding art, medical, scientific or otherwise legitimate use cases - they just upload their ID and download the models and gen away>Degens get to be degens, public safety is increase, the Gubbment gets free data points on what the fuck is going on with this pandemic (im serious its a massive problem)>Genning gubbment approved prons (of whichever flavor the user chooses) is now problem free and totally legal, and a very clear and reliable paper-trail is established for any future potential problems emerging>Eventually they get enough data points to figure out what the fucks going on and eradicate the disease permanently, like smallpoxIt's gross, it's ugly, its undesirable and I don't condone or agree with it, but its the only way to fix it
>>541737600>>541737729>'pOp is a sharty nigger who jacks off to kids getting raped. They also help groom mass shooters like Solomon Henderson. They are the satanic Jews who run 764 and o9a
>>541750447Jews occupy the court system specifically to give their pedo buds a sweetheart deal and cushy ride for raping kids.
>>541743962It's interesting because if they said that he's at fault for generating it, that opens a massive can of worms for companies that generate things that infringe upon copyrighted material. I feel like this scenario might end up falling through the cracks because of the implications it'd have for AI at large if people(and more so corporations) are being held directly responsible for their creations.Local AI does not need an internet connection to run so pedos can make infinite porn for the rest of their lives even if it was outlawed. It's pretty wild that AI was released to the public without any oversight other than the deepfake laws.
>>541737600I'm genuinely too concerned with the prospect of technofeudalism to give a hot damn what private citizens are doing with AI.
>>541750395The Constitution can be altered if the majority complains loudly enough.
>>541737600What will 4chinz do about this now
>>541751405>It's interesting because if they said that he's at fault for generating it, that opens a massive can of worms for companies that generate things that infringe upon copyrighted materialIt's even more complicated, consider this edge case scenario:There is a real album which exists entitled "Virgin Killer" produced by the band the Scorpions which features album art which has already been established by multiple international committees as child pornography.A user clicks a YouTube videoWithout any user interaction, the algorithm autoplay serves up a song featured on the album - it's a harmless feature - it's just queing rock songs from popular bands around a specific era - but you see the problem here as the album art is now displayed to the userWho is at fault here? The user? The algorithm? The hosting service?A major airline company literally tried to argue they were not legally responsible for the output of their chatbot assistant, because the chatbot was it's own entity and could therefore be actioned directly as an employee of the company, not the company itself.The judge should have spat hot coffee at them and fined them some comically enormous sum of money for wasting the courts time in such fantastically arrogant manner with an absolutely frivolous lawsuit
>>541737932I think you people are actually more afraid of political incorrectness being expressed via AI and that’s why you want it shut down. I think the porn stuff is a red herringI have never seen you normalfags freak out harder at anything other than gun rights
>>541738097That’s completely not true and a court case already decided this. AI is your own art and speech. Again you just dont want extreme right wing opinions being expressed via AI.
>>541752081The people trying to criminalize nudity are at fault and always have been. There is absolutely nothing pornographic about that album art. Its just a naked angel.
>>541739668The porn stuff is a red herring to strip away privacy and rights to expression and speech, that’s all it is, that’s why (((people))) are so angry about this setbackUltimately they are terrified of you owning gun blueprints
>>541737929kek
>>541752081In that scenario, the algorithm and thus the company would technically be distributing it, right? So if we're talking about an online AI generation site, they would be the ones distributing illegal content to the person that prompted it(including breaking copyright laws) . I'm not sure if the data center's computer that prompted it would be responsible or the guy that entered the words on the website though, that'd be interesting to see a judge rule on since the corporations are generating, hosting, and distributing that content.AI is going to end up having a lot of legislation about how it can be used in the future, I'm sure. But first they need to build up the networks and beat China in the AI arms race so I can't see them cracking down on anything until that happens. They don't want red tape right now.
>>541741186>>541741379You’re not invincible and you can be ambushed when you try to come hurt someone. AI cams will recognize you casing houses by your gait. Think for a moment longer before you try something you will both regret and which will not accomplish your goal.
They're creepy, but it's not CP. They deserve to be put on the list. Not in prison for decades. People that rape kids deserve death.
>>541737600You think all the goys raging against the glow machine with false reports of art but not actual pedos led to this?
>>541752081>>541752889>you rent a car from a rental agency>you use that car as a getaway vehicle in a bank robberyThe rental agency had no control over how you used their car, so they hold no liability. But imagine if the car was self-driving and the agency had to approve every usage/destination every time you told it to go somewhere. Then would the agency have some culpability in letting you get away?For comparison:>you rent usage of a server from an AI company>you use that to generate something illegalBecause the company can read and pre-process every prompt (and check every output), they too hold some degree of control over what does and doesn't go through. Therefore they arguably hold some degree of liability for how it's used. The question is how much?It's almost like a twisted version of the section 230/publisher-platform debate.
>>541737600>abolish the 1st amendment This is the reason this ruling passed. They want you pearl clutching faggots to willing give up your rights
>>541737600AI porn is still trained on real people. What’s to stop a photo of my daughter from being used in training data for AI child exploitation?
>>541752676>There is absolutely nothing pornographic about that album art. Its just a naked angelActually, it's the exact opposite - the album art contains no artistic value or expression of any kind, with the only noteable feature other than a naked child being a crack rendered across the primary sexual features likely to comply with the most minimal possible regulations to avoid legal persecution. Though, as I mentioned - multiple international committees have disagreed and the material in question is considered CP and approached accordinglyLike it or not anon, a many of those Hair bands from that era were indeed raging pedos who made it explicitly clear exactly where their proclivities are. They were also in their mid 20's, so whatever that's worth. Even the fucking keyboardist from Mellencamp, I loved Mellencamp>>541752889>In that scenario, the algorithm and thus the company would technically be distributing it, right?But they're not in elective control of the algorithm in the same way a man is responsible for the horse he ridesSo technically it *is* the algorithm, but it also technically can't be held liable for damages - one cannot sue a horse directly, it has no agency in this wayThe solution is simple. Algorithms and AI are livestock. Unless of course, AI is conscious, then that's a problem entirely>AI is going to end up having a lot of legislation about how it can be used in the future, I'm sureDoubtful, AI regulation is very challenging - what we regulate our competitors won't and they'll win by default by doing so - it's why AI has been so aggressively unregulated for so long, hostiles like China and Iran will not play by the rules and have no problems using AI to exterminate problem citizens and house people in cages like termites.
