Would you prefer Greece over Germany and France to lead the EU?
>>541740551The only sane fiscally competent people in the EU are the Dutch IMHO.
>>541740681They are like faceless NPCs to me.
>>541740551SAGA PAO PAO PAO
>>541740551how could that piss poor shithole lead the eu?
FUCK NO!I'm no fan o fthe French but of the three i'd rather see them rule over the European continent. I can't believe what i'm about to say but of the three, they are the least ZOGGED (it sounds wrong to call the French least zogged but it's true nonetheless in this case)
>>541740551Who's going to bail out Greece if Germany is gone?
>>541740839We could give ourselves advantages to boost our economy like the Germans do and throttle theirs.
>>541740551Our prime minister and his party are on a corruption and zogg overdrive.Gotta be the most hated/sold out family to ever rule this joint.We've been proffesional at selling anything of any value on 1/5th of the price since a couple of decades. What makes you think we won't sell the EU
>>541740906France is a degenerate and godless nation.
>>541741428Less so than Germany and Greece somehow.
>>541740939They don't have to go, but instead of feeding millions of Arabs, Turks and Africans or paying for bike lanes in Peru, they can use their money to pay off our debt, so we can start helping other EU countries by reducing their debt.
>>541740551I would prefer Frenchs to lead France to begin with.
>>541740551I want EU to die I don't care who leads it to it's death
>>541741872Even in your current Zogged state you're still less zogged than Germany and Greece which is mindblowing, because you're already zogged to the core.
>>541740551>Would you prefer Greece over Germany and France to lead the EU?this is probably the most retarded idea i heard my entire lifei prefer greece to be nuked, a bunch of granny-fucking pseudo-hindu WE WUZ gypsies and niggers (literally)fuck you
>>541741428said the WE WUZ CHRISTIANS where 98% vote communist
>>541741922Thanks to Laïcité I guess. It keep the apparence clean but in the end it's the same shit maybe even worse because it uproots the French.Simone Weil (not Veil) wrote "jews are the poison of uprooting".She wrote some retarded shit too but this one was spot on.
>>541740939How many times did Germany go bust and how many times Greece did?
>>541740551Our government is a gigacorrupt US puppet. Germany's government is a suicidal Zionist puppet. Don't know which is worse, but neither are fit to lead the EU.
>>541741403It can be solved with harsh punishments for corruption along with giving EU citizen the option to remove unpopular politicians like Ursula von der Leyen.
>>541742249>Don't know which is worseyou can't get any more zionist than being corrupt, dipshitthat's the whole point, the zionists can buy you in 2 minutes flat, at a discount rate, and you wouldn't ever know it (because they pay off everybody that would inform you... or the cops investigating murders, in case they aren't in the mood of paying off journalists or politicians)fuckin idiot
>>541742260and who will do the punishing? will you import Turkish soldiers? lol
>>541742119No, not thanks to laïcité. This aspect of your institutions was always easily bypassed by freemasons, secret societies, jews, and groups of influences who have been trying to take ahold of all the key positions in your legal, parlementary, executive and military branches.I'd say it's a mix of De Gaule's heritage and undoing of a large part of foreign influences that set them back (the situation by the end of the 3rd republic and 4th republic was almost comparable to today) and maybe the fact that you weren't buckbroken into becoming vassals like Germs or Greeks so you still have proud frenchman who care about the flag finding their way to the top, although, the streak of assassinations ("suicides") of the late years among members of the DGSE and high officers of the military isn't reassuring at all. It highlights a battle of influence that is being won by the wrong side.
>>541741786What makes Greece more degenerate than France?>>541742249If we had control over the EU, there would be no need to be their lapdog. More and more people are already in favour of cutting off Europe from the reliance on America.
>>541740551>Greecespiritually slavic >Germanysame but not fully>Francelel
>>541742523>What makes Greece more degenerate than France?They're owned by the global financial elite at the institution and state level in ways that exceed what i've witnessed in France and are Israel's whore in ways that equal the US (if you don't see it yet you'll understand what i mean within the next 10 years) and they're somehow more LGBTQ+ zogged than France which completely baffles me.
>>541740551I'd prefer the EU to be lead by it's people, politicians, bankers, economists and technocrats can all march into the sea.
>>541743099The masses never rule, even in supposedly democratic system. If you want a rule of the people by the people you need to get rid of representative democracy and implement a system that leverages technologies of information and communication to allow whoever wishes (or in some cases only the concerned demographics) the right to vote on any legislation to be passed.Else you'll live in an oligarchy that doesn't say its name.
>>541742407It wasn't bypassed by them, it was created by them to end Catholicism.If you want more infos, he was also rendered inoffensive by them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHvNZ4F5qkAssassinations aren't new but you are right, it really accelerated these last years. Im trying to find a video about a ex-RG and Tepa (both murdered the same year) but it probably disapeared, even on odysee.
>>541742775That problem can be solved by giving citizen the power to democratically remove unpopular politicians or traitors against their will. The second part is true, because Christianity is dying and our average IQ must be below the European average. https://www.ilga-europe.org/report/rainbow-map-2026/
>>541742775>They're owned by the global financial elite at the institution and state level and are Israel's whore very true for the government, their population is the most antisemitic in all of Europe>they're somehow more LGBTQ+ zogged than France which completely baffles me.not even remotely, they are still largerly conservative especially compared to Northwestern Europe I mean they had a real natsoc party in parliament one decade agoBut I agree that they are zogged hard
>>541743297Found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRe82CQ-mhs
They would immediately send all the eurocucks to die retaking Constantinople and give us war kino.
>>541743321>That problem can be solved by giving citizen the power to democratically remove unpopular politicians or traitors against their will.Which require getting rid of representative democracy which is only representative by name and engineering a brand new system and it'd be poetic if such a system were to be engineered in Greece though unlikely.>>541743383>very true for the government, their population is the most antisemitic in all of EuropeThat's just wrong. There is no consensus among their population on the matter and they're not the most antisemitic of all the continent. They have some substantial segments of antisemites but also very agitated pro-israel philosemites who believe that an alliance of interests with Israel will bring about a neo-hellenistic age. Those will learn their lesson in due time.>not even remotely, they are still largerly conservative especially compared to Northwestern EuropeThey have some of the most LGBTQ+ friendly policies and propaganda. Both on that and the Jewish matter, it doesn't matter what some contrarian large segments of the population think. The fish rots from the head.Germany is arguably the most zogged. Maybe less than Spain on LGBTQ+ but if you factor in all aspects of ZOG you're the European champion. Greece has the most prostitute behaving politicians so it's only a matter of time. France is in large parts compromised but not at that level yet.
>>541743281>If you want a rule of the people by the people you need to get rid of representative democracy and implement a system that leverages technologies of information and communication to allow whoever wishes (or in some cases only the concerned demographics) the right to vote on any legislation to be passed.Yes this is exactly what I want
>>541743859direct fluid democracy in a identitarian context.the same shit the founding fathers and early liberals would have build if they had the internet and cellphones. liberty and freedom for all "humans"
>>541743859Me too anon, me too. But we're ngmi i'm afraid + on our side of the mediterranean, it's even harder to apply because it requires a highly educated population or else it could yield catastrophic results.
>>541743998>the same shit the founding fathers and early liberals would have buildNot sure i'd agree with you. I think your perception of the US founding fathers and the British early liberals is biased in a sense. They were not so fond of getting the masses involved at all levels and the representative system was a mean by which the bourgeoisie could reproduce with popular contempt. I think the fathers of liberalism in Britain would've rejected the idea and favored the parlementary system.
>>541744202>the representative system was a mean by which the bourgeoisie could reproduce with popular approval*approval not contempt
>>541744030I mean get some programmers to work to set up a direct democratic platform, convince some local officials to implement the system in several regions as a test, build up from there, make sure to run votes on the platform in tandem with the regional votes regarding the same subject, and test to see who's solution is better and to expose corruption in government to discredit representation based systems. keep growing the platform till you reach national level and the powers that be cannot ignore you, now run a faceless nameless campaign against the current politics with the soul goal to erase them and replace them with the will of the people.should take no longer than 15-20 years, less if it's done in more locations and several tech teams working together at the same time.
>>541744202fair, but in the same spirit of thought that the enlightenment brought, people should not be ruled but rule. representation is the archaic base for this, now we have the tech to have all participate they are obsolete.
>>541744349>>541744429I think it'd be hard to find someone you couldn't convince that it's better to have a direct democracy structured around a resilient, zero-trust digital infrastructure with some sort of voting catalogue and possibly coefficients of authority or banned demographics in some aspects of the decision making where lies a conflict of interests, or even the possibility for individuals to push for policies in said platform.I still think it's not gonna happen. I have a different understanding of the french revolution, spring of nations in europe and american revolution in that i believe that it just replaced a self-reproducing elite with an elite of cunning psychopath who charm you with their words and who engineered a system that enables the most cunning psychopaths to find their ways to the top.There'll be no direct representation without revolutions and the masses cannot organize without a thinking head. That thinking head is rarely, if ever, truly altruistic. And even if it is, chances are high that it won't be anymore by the time they get ahold of power.Besides, such a system would also have flaws that can be exploited. It needs to be thoroughly audited by trusted actors and requires getting rid off the concept of "owned-media" in favor of open platforms where an open-source algorithm rules.Thinking about the hypothetical is an interesting exercise of the mind, but i'm too much of a doomer to believe such a think could ever come to fruition literally anywhere.
>>541745099>such a thing*
>>541745099>Besides, such a system would also have flaws that can be exploited. It needs to be thoroughly audited by trusted actors and requires getting rid off the concept of "owned-media" in favor of open platforms where an open-source algorithm rules.I'll agree that this system too is prone to exploitation but just throwing it in the trash for that seems ridiculous, especially if the alternative is just keep on going as we are.It's safety in a "I told you so" mindset, which is destructive on it own.>There'll be no direct representation without revolutions and the masses cannot organize without a thinking head. That thinking head is rarely, if ever, truly altruistic. And even if it is, chances are high that it won't be anymore by the time they get ahold of power.While I agree that flushing out the trash would be the most direct way to go at it, it seems stupid to not try the non violent option first, in general I expect the established powers to react to this and violence will come either way so better to instigate a revolution with a replacement system in hand than going in blind, this is what killed the earlier revolutions, wanting change but discussing the conditions afterwards.>I still think it's not gonna happen. I have a different understanding of the french revolution, spring of nations in europe and american revolution in that i believe that it just replaced a self-reproducing elite with an elite of cunning psychopath who charm you with their words and who engineered a system that enables the most cunning psychopaths to find their ways to the top.It did and it's fucked but it was an evolution nevertheless, the recurring problem so far is one step forward, two steps back and only the psychopaths coming in with a plan, we can legitimately turn the tables and come out on top by out autisting the psychopaths.As I always say the last thing in pandora's box is hope and I intend to cling to that.
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>>541740551Greeks are just bad with money. They also have never grasped the purpose of taxes. I would absolutely elect Malta to run the EU over Greece, France, and Germany.
>>541747353Greek states were the wealthiest for millennia. Greece made mistakes in the past decades due to corrupt leeches, but the economy fell due to incompetent German and EU policies.Turns out cutting money everywhere and selling out the country doesn't create growth.
>>541740551Greece. I'm sure they would start the de-Islamization of Europe and attack Turkey.
