Why are eco-fascism and other green-centered movements a minority among the global right?We are losing votes to the left, because they use this neutral topic to their advantage, even though it makes more sense for us to protect our homelands and their future.
>>541744389Nathan Cofnas is right. The Right has an IQ problem.
>>541744389Greta is a plant used by the right to discredit eco/green movement and make it look like a bunch of bougie hippies that love Chinese EVs and infinity niggers.
>>541744389Most people who claim to be conservationists couldnt tell you an elm from a sugarberry tree. In their defense, most hunters, "outdoorsmen", survivalists couldnt tell you a red maple from a sweet gum. How are you going to save the woods when you dont even underatand the woods?Most of the world, no matter what hobby, lifestyle, or political position are just larpers.
>>541744389Because they tend to conflate environmental protections generally with the lunacy about not using oil and gas. They also tend to have various retarded communist beliefs about economy.
>>541744389Because most conservatives are shortsighted and selfish.
>>541744389Because its inherently against capital and the global rights #1 priority is to protect capital. You cannot have green politics unless its inherently anti capitalist, anti extractionist and anti growth.That's why I'm a degrowth socialist
>>541746286Describe, in painful detail, what is capitalism?
>>541744389natural beauty is for TRANNYS and LEFTIST real men live in hellscapes depleted by big business (based and trad) an raped by DIESEL AND COAL
>>5417465488 billion brown and yellow niggers willed into existence for the sole purpose of wageslavery
>>541744389jews hate nature.
People on the right care about the environment in sensible waysLefties are performative and fruity about it
Capitalism is an economic system organized around private ownership profit and the endless accumulation of capital. Production is organized around what can generate a return for owners and investors rather than what people or ecosystems actually need. Competition forces businesses to keep expanding cutting costs extracting more resources and producing more or lose out to businesses that do. It treats the market almost like a religion and relies on the heuristic (you dont know what that word means but im using it anyways) that infinite growth is both possible and necessary. From an ecosocialist perspective that makes capitalism fundamentally incompatible with ecological limits because the costs of growth are pushed onto workers communities and the natural world while profits remain concentrated with the people who own capital. You cannot have an economy that requires infinite growth on a finite planet. Thats why serious green politics requires degrowth and democratic control over what we produce and why
>>541744389Didn't Donald Trumpstein just sell off a small portion of Yosemite to a private company?
>>541747036Can you repeat that in English?
>>541747175I am your medical provider anon and I hate to do this so publicly but I have to diagnosis you as a medically stupid person. Its terminalAlso about your last visit you did contract aids from having gay sex with your father.
>>541746845You literally just described global-homo space communism
>>541744389The right is mostly morbidly obese boommiggers that are completely reliant on zogmobiles for all their basic needs.They are so cucked, they get jealous and insecure when they see anyone who doesn't worship ZOG like they do, and tries to be more self reliant.They do everything in their power to increase their own and others reliance on zogmobiles because it's like a religion to them.So they don't care about the environment because it just gets in the way of their worship of their false idol: the car.
>>541744389There's a multitude of factors that contribute to this. First of all, the influence of Protestantism on the attitudes of Europeans post-industrial revolution combined domination of the natural environment (stemming from Abrahamic frameworks) with what was coined the 'Protestant work ethic', resulting in dominating attitudes towards nature, which influenced the growth mindset, and broader mechanisation introduced to industrial systems. Edmund Burke, Theodore Roosevelt, and Gifford Pinchot are key figures that tie 'conservatism' to more ascendant attitudes regarding conservation of the natural environment, but these attitudes were put on the back burner as the right-wing slowly changed, and globalization further took root. The convergence of neoliberalism, political 'conservatism', and big business further severed the significance of these figures, and their outlooks regarding authentic conservatism. Eco-fascism did see a somewhat of a countercultural upswell in the 60s and 70s - Charles Manson, of course, combining apocalyptic racialism and environmentalism (ATWA) into its own expressive ideology, which saw representation among Anti-Hippies and Eco-Fascists, before the broader subversion and neutering of the hippie movement. Its fair to say that abandonment of certain attitudes pertaining to Abrahamic tenets (while exploring Animism and Paganism) combined with explicit racialist thought, along with entertaining early conservative thinkers could inspire Eco-fascist sentiment, but it certainly will not be found in exoteric, mainstream politics.
>>541748887You should actually read early Protestant theologians, not rely on stale stereotypes of Protestantism.A major theme in early Protestant theology was the distinction between God's creation and the works of fallen humanity. The natural world was understood as God's handiwork, ordered by divine wisdom and capable of revealing God's glory. Human beings, by contrast, were fallen, corruptible, greedy and prone to reshaping the world around pride, wealth and appetite.That is why early Protestant thought could produce a deep suspicion of excess, luxury, exploitation and the idea that whatever humans build or profit from is automatically good. Nature could be seen as morally valuable precisely because it was not created by us and did not exist simply to satisfy human desire.What you are describing is capitalism with a surface level Christian patina, not the actual theological tradition you are invoking.
>why dont more people subscribe to this retarded bullshit? Idk. Good question. Theres certainly more than enough retards. Perhaps this retarded bullshit just isnt as interesting as some other retarded bullshit that captures all their attention instead?
>>541744389Because 'the global right' was largely raped by neocons over this Trump 2 admin and the lead-up desu.And now there is 'good old boy' and 'salt of the Earth' centrism (slower libtardism) ready to take the wheel right after.
>>541751330All of the political machinery in the West is bogged to high hell, it will probably take a very traumatic event for it to (possibly) change at all.The people are getting worse, not better or more informed as well, so that's not really a sign for optimism for pure democracy believers. The most positive sign for the akshual global right would probably be everyone realizing that >there's nothing to saveAt which point srs actions might akshually be made.
>>541751467Everyone is probably 200 people btw, it's not a large group at all.
>>541751082The commodification of Christianity, in thanks broadly to America's own influence, has much to do with this. I was merely attempting to demarcate the stark differences between Animist and Christian interpretations of reality and lifestyle iterations, as compared to the influence of broader Abrahamic doctrine on Americans. Eco-fascists would have more to gain, in my view, from looking to the Eurasian Sàmi, the Afghan Kalash people, or otherwise; along with classical conservative thinkers who blended metaphysics and conservation of the natural world, than they would stand to gain from blanket Christianity. Though maybe going that far crosses into ideological AnPrim territory. I'm not disputing your claim, as the Amish, for example, blend suspicion of excess and luxury with their own interpretation of Protestantism. Though, they are perhaps the most observant of such interpretation, as contemporary Protestants. I just don't think blanket Protestantism, and the values it imbued in Americans can be ignored, namely as it applies to how it influenced attitudes during and after the industrial revolution, broader mechanisation, and the way we came to view labor itself.
>>541752170I mean I disagree any right-wing political movement can meaningfully protect the environment im open to be proven wrong if you can show me any examples of fascist governments reigning in the power of capital owners.
>>541745265Most retarded post I've seen in a long while
>>541746873It's true
>>541744389It's time to rape OP.
>>541753673You're the one that wants mass immigration for the benefit of big capital, which leads to simultaneous urban development, in addition to wage suppression to keep the scam going. The burden of proof is on neoliberals/contemporary political ideologues to prove consideration for the environment, and they surely don't care about race. You also believe in wealth redistribution schemes, that swell domestic foreigner and actual foreign populations, at the expense of the West. Racial consciousness and environmental protectionism can be reconciled. The aforementioned early conservative thinkers were racially conscious, and also attempted to do this. Manson's interpretation may be too extreme for you, and also has metaphysical significance that is divorced from Christian thought (more Gnostic, if anything) even if Manson was inspired by a racialized interpretation of apocalypticism/Revelation. Ted Kaczynski's critiques of both liberalism in general and industrial society draw some parallels, though he disavowed eco-fascism later in life. Manson, Burke, Kaczynski, Roosevelt, and Pinchot are apart in their application and interpretation, but alike in some ways in their racial consciousness and environmental consideration.
>>541744389the left doesn't give a fuck about the environment. that is an offshoot minority of the left. the left promotes development in the name of "more affordable housng" and more "economy." they are the ones that sign off on every new suburb, shopping center, highway project, and other bullshit that requires dozing thousands of acres of trees. eco-fascism will never be mainstream because it only attracts high-IQ people, and that's mostly centrists or unaffiliated being a better description.most conservatives are cuckservatives, just like most liberals are retarded middle-class NPC cucks. both of those types of people only care about what happens in their lifetime and in the immediate future. they are materialistic whores who don't even interact with nature or marvel at the design. even the average vegan is completely delusional and doesn't understand nature or care about it beyond their immature reasoning.
>>541744389Because it's (((Liberals and / or Conservatives))) actually and most of the "right" are just Neo Cons and Jews, Anon
>>541755077>Manson was a glownigger schizo>I liked uncle Ted's writings when I was a teenager but they are a bit juvenile and underdeveloped. Also probably a glownigger schizo>Roosevelt did some good things but I would firmly put all his conservation efforts into the category of neoliberal conservation and it didnt go far enough>pinchot was also a neoliberal and worse he was a utilitarian which will never be able to conserve anything of value because capital will always be above conservation I dont think you know what degrowth socialism but Now I think the best writers that capture my ideology are Penti Linkola and Edward Abbey (you might like the latter he was racist and sexist)
