>assuming current frontline (which barely moved in years) becomes new border/DMZWill they recover/prosper or balkanize?
>>541763879jews take the prime real estate then import pajeets and somalis to be retarded slavelabor for the jews.Greater Israel.
>>541763879>>assuming current frontline (which barely moved in years) becomes new border/DMZyou're a dumb nigger if you believe any of that.Ukraine won't last past the end of this year. Everything's falling apart for them.
>>541763879Big Kosovo.
>>541763879They will be left as a beggar state to provide a buffer.
>>541764152Yeah yeah, and the other side says they'll reach Moscow in 2 more weeks.You're both full of shit and literally nothing happens
>>541763879No matter who wins. Ukraine lost. Did you really think the West was giving all that aid for free? Already Blackrock has said they would move in the "rebuild" the country. Ukraine has lost their sovereignty and right to self determination.
>>541764152two more ends of the year, pidrila
>>541763879Pick related
>>541763879Turn into a corrupt country of bitter "ultra nationalists" who's natural resources and wealth will be stolen from under their noses to pay for the war. Could turn into a civil war. They have a lot of citizens who are armed and experienced in warfare.
>>541763879they will be left defending Europe from the remnants of the inevitable disintegration of russia.
>>541764623He said Ukraine, not RussiaRetarded memejeet
We will oust Putin sooner or later and we will rebuild our relations with our brothers to the west. At least im optimistic. Danes and Norweigans and Swedes fought each other until they realized how retarded that is.
>>541763879Borders don't matter and they're completely fucked either way. In the worst-case scenario, we end up with a terrorist state in the middle of Europe. All this hatred currently directed at Russians isn't going to disappear, it will eventually spread to the rest of Europe which basically betrayed them.If they somehow manage to abandon their more aggressive ideas, then the very reason for Ukraine's existence loses its meaning. They are built on their opposition to Russia, and if they accept their defeat, that foundation will crumble. In that case, Ukraine will simply wither away and lose any sense of identity. I’d say it would become a paradise for migrants, but I doubt even they would want to live in postwar Ukraine. At this point their villages in Africa have a more intact infrastructure.>>541764761That will never happen because our Western “brothers” have already proven that they see us as nothing more than a threat. >>541764637
>>541763879they've become world leaders in drone warfare and will surely have a booming military export industry.
nothing, because they'll all be dead lol
>>541764376Nah they're genuinely doomed. You're out of gibs, EU is out of money. Your greatest ally swallowed all your PAC missiles, Feodorov the monkey decided getting some smoke photos of Russian Temu was worth getting all their ports and warehouses obliterated, Su-34s are bombing Odessa without danger right now. They're proper fucked unless Brussels kikes can get Poland to join somehow.
>>541764637>inevitableHave any of these regions actually talked about any kind of secession recently?Seems like this is just a rough outline of ancient ethnic territories that has no relation to modern Russia
>>541764739I was talking about Ukraine newfaggot.Ukraine has always had massive problems with corruption and "ultra nationalist" militias. That's not going to suddenly vanish at the end of fighting.
>>541765234It's just hallucinations. Most of these aren't "historic" because no states existed in Siberia before Russia, it's just nonsense about carving "decolonized native states" out of areas that are 90+% ethnic Russian. You can find the same cope liberal jerk off fantasy maps about China too.This one is funny because it emphasizes how those wholesome liberal statelets will be switching to the heckin' based Latin alphabet instead of evil ruZZian Cyrillic. Even though the Cyrillic alphabet is actually Bulgarian.
>>541764904>That will never happen because our Western “brothers” have already proven that they see us as nothing more than a threatNigga before 2014 entire western world was basically entering Russian ass with no lube. You had a chance to be a respected country and you decided to fuck it away for "m-muh soviet onion!!!". Even Ukies sucked your ass. The only country that really hated you was Poland and that's because the retards in charge thought you guys shot down the plane at Smolensk in 2010 because the alternative was to admit we should have stopped using old Soviet rust buckets to fly important people around long ago.Also because of inadequacy and butthurt belt issues over being ignored by EU "partners" like Germany in favour of them dealing with you but in that aspect I can be only thankful you fuckers couldn't pretend to be normal.
Here's what will really happen:>Russia either succeeds or fails in its goal to take Donbass and Luhansk, then the war either formally ends or it doesn't, and the line freezes>Eventually fighting either stops after a treaty in which Ukraine refuses to recognize Russia's conquests, but wants to stop fighting, or fighting continues, but it's just occasional drones and assassins killing stragglers while things become mostly peaceful. It never joins NATO>Ukraine the country is fucked because it lost so many men (including emigrants) and women, and won't rebuild for decades. Russia is certain to meddle in its elections and assassinate politicians who don't like it as well>On the other hand, Russia itself is highly damaged by losing so many young men, didn't really gain much practical in exchange, and will spend years repaying China, North Korea, and Iran for their help. It won't be able to keep invading its neighbors like it used to, except for maybe Ukraine again and Georgia. It ends up as a Chinese vassal
>>541765673Are either countries really that "damaged" by losing so many men?Practically speaking, seems like just fewer mouths to feed.And considering in both cases (but Russia's especially) it was just the poor retards and churkas getting drafted while the college-educated young guys just paid the bribe and went along with their life.Seems like a healthy pruning more than devastation.
>>541764968Honest question. Why would anyone in Ukraine do that? There used to be this dream back when Ukraine had some factories, but now they’ve all been bombed, and everything is produced outside the country.>>541765234Only Chechens and even that has died down quite a while ago. You'll find more supporters in Europe than in Chechnya. As another anon said this is just nonsense, and at best, you’re getting some random Russian living off grants talking about how he’ll rule his little democratic kingdom.In reality, none of these countries would be survivable on their own. The gas pipelines and other infrastructure from the Soviet era are still a constant source of problems because none of that shit was built to function on its own.>>541765662>2014The conflict with the West began back in Georgia and Chechnya. The West is categorically allergic to Russia having any interests of its own.>>541765944Russia has literally gained more people through its new territories and Ukrainian refugees even if you take the wildest estimate of 2 million killed.Ukraine has moved down a tier, falling from a level comparable to Poland to something closer to Estonia and Latvia. People really do underestimate just how large Ukraine was before the war.
>>541766198>The conflict with the West began back in Georgia and Chechnya. The West is categorically allergic to Russia having any interests of its own.back in georgia and chechenya it was kaczynski screaming we cant allow it and everyone laughing at him
>>541766198>> The conflict with the West began back in Georgia and Chechnya.It started way back in 1994 when Crimea under Meshkov wasn’t allowed to secede into an independent state or in to Russia despite Meshkov having ran to office on those promises and being backed up by the population. Ukraine was already a western agent in 1994 just not to the 2026 Banderite extreme.
>>541763879I was told in no uncertain terms by a Ukrainian poster on this very board that as soon as this war was won, Azog oops I mean Azov would lynch Zelensky and coup the liberal government.
>>541764481I mean I think it actually will be around two more years, yeah.unless Ukraine seriously steps up recruitment from the third world.
>>5417638792 billion Indian Hindu rape rats getting Ukranian citizenship, and raping everything with a wet hole as far as the eye can see. Like playing Metro: Last Light.
>>541766198>The West is categorically allergic to Russia having any interests of its own.This is a euphemism for "right to invade its neighbors and ignore their sovereignty when they do things Russia doesn't support."
>>541765944>Are either countries really that "damaged" by losing so many men?What a retarded thing to say. Is a thing made of men damaged by killing and maiming untold thousands of those men? You're a jew.
>>541766525No one wanted that because the country was already in deep shit and the only thing missing was Crimea. Funny enough it could have happened if someone inside Russia actually wanted it to because Ukraine was even worse off than Russia back then >>541766691The irony of this coming from American flag. At least we're defending our interests, not Israel's.
>>541764968everyone can just copy their drone designs though. Their big advantage with all this drone tech is that it doesn't require big factories that can be easily bombed from the air. They can buy the things they need like batteries and electric motors, and the manufacturing can be widely distributed. Certain things can't be copied, like if a device relies on starlink, but most of the other stuff could be easily be copied by a country like Iran.
>>541763879Watch for updates this week and then you'll realise you have the wrong flag up there.
>>541767036>everyone can just copy their drone designs though.I don't even think it's necessary because they are no longer the leader in drones. At the start of the war, they were undoubtedly the world leader in this area and continued to grow for a while, but right now, between Russia, China, and Iran, they are definitely no longer in the lead. What’s more, the makeshift nature of these drones could backfire, and they’re more likely to end up in the hands of terrorists and cartels than the military. This is especially true when it comes to the US and NATO which really dislike appearing crude and unprofessional.
>>541767290>they are no longer the leader in dronesYes they are, by a large margin. It's not just designing and building them, it's deploying, flying and tactics. Ukraine has no peer in this. End of.
>>541763879>Will they recoverNah
>>541767463You russian shills are fucking retarded. You know fine well Russia is crumbling both on the field and in the rear, militarily, economically and politically they are fucking collapsing.Yet you cope with your daily catalogue flooding while your entire belief system is being systematically dismantled. It's over, you lost. Get used to it.
>You russian shills are fucking retarded. You know fine well Russia is crumbling both on the field and in the rear, militarily, economically and politically they are fucking collapsing.>Yet you cope with your daily catalogue flooding while your entire belief system is being systematically dismantled.>It's over, you lost. Get used to it.
>>541767609You know I'm right. I'm always fucking right.
>>541767402Why do British flags always soak up propaganda like a sponge? If you look at the actual state of affairs while Russia has adapted Ukraine's tactics haven't changed at all. I wanted to dig a little deeper into this like how Russia’s use of small groups instead of BMPs has significantly reduced the effectiveness of drones, or how they’re simply overwhelmed by firepower and often can’t even set up their drone receivers but seeing your next post made me realize you’re just hopeless.
why did gulaghomo lose to ukraine?
>You know I'm right. I'm always fucking right.
>>541767764Russia is retreating right across the front. Mobilisation has to come but can't come till after the election. It's too late. They are breaking everywhere. Now try moving hundreds of thousands of men under long range, mid range and close range drone fire towards the front. It will be carnage. It's over, you lost.
>>541767839Yes, it's clear you have no argument. Even while Russia has been pushed out of konstantinivka.
>>541767969We'll see about that truth my man
>>541763879This is actually a good question. It really depends on what kind of story they can tell themselves. I don't know how nationalistic hohols actually are besides the nazi memes. Like, do they truly believe in Ukraine as an ethno-national project.Without this story, without true patriots to cleanse the filth, Ukraine is just going to revert to the same corruption it had before, as elites continue to loot funds and repeatendly fall behind on their EU accession duties, and eat each other alive in internal post-war political chaos, with Russia constantly stoking the fires.
>>541767969kek
>>541763879There will be no "them" after the war.To the last hohol!
>>541768147Ukrainians are massively for cleaning up corruption, joining the EU and growing. The war has fucked all that for a while (which is why Putin started it, can't have a success next door when you're a failure) and they have taken to the streets even under fire to protest decisions related to corruption. Everyone I spoke to there said the same thing, they didn't go through all this since 2013 not to fix it in the end.
>>541763879debt rapeukronazi ISIS all over yurop
>>541768191Every one of those symbols has a geolocated video behind it. Russians shelling Ukrainians in the south of the city yesterday......Kek indeed.
>>541763879After every white Ukranian is dead the country will be filled with turd world pajeets who will rebuild Ukraine into the multicultural cesspool of Europe.
>>541768191Or maybe you'd like to kek at the cauldron trapping Russians in a 200sq km pocket north of Lyman right now? Will be announced later this week but it's done....How's that 'winning' coming along now?
>>541767905>Russia simply lost a large chunk of the territory it had captured in a single day.This is literally propaganda and not how war works. Ideally, the entire front line plus 5-10 km on both sides should be a neutral zone, because there are soldiers from both sides everywhere. Recently, there was a news report that a group of Russians had advanced further than even the most pro-Russian propaganda sources claim and simply slaughtered unsuspecting Ukrainians. You might have seen it because the whole thing was caught on video.>>541768147>Like, do they truly believe in Ukraine as an ethno-national projectFor them, it’s literally either this or the Soviet Union. They literally couldn’t imagine any other form of state.>revert to the same corruption it had beforeIt literally has the highest level of corruption than ever
>>541768460Ukraine is practically 100% white. Meanwhile, in Russia, every single video is full of browns Allah akbaring.....Fuck off with your ancient and solidly btfo already cope tropes.
>>541768585Why did you refuse to fight for your country Mykola? Why are you hiding in Britain?
>>541768510Cope. When you're finished, seethe.
>>541767969Full control huh. Why on the edge?
>>541768621If you don't know who I am then you have no place to discuss this war. Newfag.
>>541768656The fuck is that stupid cope nonsense supposed to be showing?
>>541768715Mhmmm so why on the edge of the town? Got some top idea? That north one is the very edge.
>>541765101This. In a tragedy the hero is not supposed to survive.He is supposed to stupidly cause his own demise.This is the original meaning of the tragic fate.And the hohol is such a tragic hero.
>>541768715Here is when Russia wasn't up their ass. Odd it doesn't match that appearance of being pushed out.
>>541768748It's a fucking active war zone. There are fires everywhere. It means nothing.
>>541768941Actual battle fires. This is as the Russians were inside.
>>541768974Mhmm so why on the edge? This when Ukraine actually wasn't pushed out. Weird.
>>541767969What the fuck is this map? There's literally news about fighting for the next town from both sides.
>>541768941>>541768976Are you fucking retarded? Fires can be from drones, artillery or just fires that have been burning for days. It's a fucking frontline town being fought over. Firms data means nothing. There is GEOLOCATED VIDEO EVIDENCE you fucking clown.
>>541769051Mhmm so this Ukraine being pushed out. You can see where the blasts at on the edge which you keep dodging for some reason. This was 2 weeks ago.
>>541769029No. There is news of ONE small infiltration/sabotage group that snuck behind the lines. That's it. The lines are nowhere near there.
>>541769081They are FIRES not blasts you absolute fucking moron.
>>541769116Ukrainians being demolished by what looks like a thermobaric. You still seem confused
>>541769116After that brutal burning in the center you can see fires appearing as they back out and run for their lives as the trail follows.
>>541769176>what looks like a thermobaric.I'm done replying to you, this is possibly THE most stupid and uneducated thing I have ever read in my life. Seek help. You are clearly suffering a brain hemmorage or something if you think you can determine weapons from firms data. Gtfo.
>>541769320So why is russia bombing way back here? Can you give a top tier reason? You seem quite confused.
>>541769096>There are Russian soldiers here but that doesn't countYou realize how absurd that sounds, right? The whole fucking front is like that. How is it that it turns out the Russians infiltrated the area, rather than Ukrainians getting trapped in the middle of an enemy offensive? What's the difference?Your entire line of reasoning and arguments revolve around the idea that Ukraine is winning and you just need to prove it rather than trying to show the actual state of the war
>>541769320Here's where your retards really are stuck dumbass. Pretty far back there bud? You okay? This doesn't look like the center of konstan. Can you give a reason?
So. What we see currently happening is Russia losing large swathes of land it took them months/years to take at massive cost. Losing them in a few weeks. To slow, methodical advances and at light expense to Ukrainians. Which if you're honest, has been happening since 2022. Going backwards. Still......
>>541769320Bud are you okay this is yesterday if you have all of konstan why are you so far back eating shells? Is it a top secret tactic? Pretty sure russia would bomb konstan if it was there. Why is this happening? You have a good reason? Are you okay?
>>541769429If Russians are in druzhivka why are you bombing and drinking it daily? Why are Ukraine losing vehicles there to drones?It's because you're using standoff weapons because you're not there.
>>541769500This assertion collapses under scrutiny.
>>541769646>drinking*Droning
>>541769646Are you okay bud did this cause you immense stress? This is your reality why does make you suffer so? It's a fire confirmation. More vital than any false claims.
>>541769681Please. Scrutinise away. I enjoy a good laugh at russian cope.
>>541769732You seem to be stressing and coping quite hard can you explain why all the Russian attacks are concentrated far away in the north west? Is it a new tactic? You okay bud it's not hard to explain you said it's easy.
>>541769646Because Druzhkovka isn't the next town after Konstantinovka. There's another town between them.
>>541769814It is funny he can't quite comprehend why august 29th had no heat signatures in konstan besides one and the areas north west are pummeled.
He threw in the towel lmao. Fucking troon coward ahahaha.
>>541769814Yes. There's nothing happening there. Hasn't been for days. Meanwhile Russia is shelling the south of konstantinivka. Explain why.
>>541770010You are an idiot. That's why. >>541769320
>>541770219So explain the images then? Stop being a retarded pussy. You'll never have one.
>>541770180>There's nothing happening there. Hasn't been for days. Meanwhile Russia is shelling the south of konstantinivkaAnother anon literally shows you a satellite photo that proves the opposite.
>>541770180Mhmmm perfectly safe this shows it. All these.eimages are from druzh you retard.
>>541770252>So explain the images then?Have you ever seen a frontline video? Everything is on fire you fucking clown. Firms satellite data is as much use as a chocolate teapot. Now fuck off you retarded monkey.
>>541770321Explain this.
>>541770344So why are attacks so far north west? They are the front right. Why druzh on fire every day. They aren't there right? Are you okay this is like a toddlers logic. Perfectly safe huh.
>>541770359Explain the purple ones bud. Why do you struggle with this?
>>541770344So why is the area where, in your opinion, the heaviest fighting is currently taking place the least affected by the fighting?>>541770359That's called propaganda.
>>541770436>That's called propagandaIt's geolocated video time stamped behind every fucking icon you clown. It's an interactive map. Fuck me you people are either paid to do this shit or your iq is so low you should be kept in a cage for people to study.
>>541770552You okay bud you seem to really struggle explaining it.a 5 year old could do it it's like imaging a morning where you didn't eat breakfast. Imagine a morning where you didn't retake shit lmao.
>>541763879It all depends of what happens to the EU and USA. If the old school conservatives and liberals are in power, they will get the same deal that South Korea got and Russia will be North Korea.If the pro-Russia parties, like the AfD, win a lot of countries leave the EU, and US is lead by the pro-Russians anti liberal west, like Vance or like AOC - Mamdani, then they will get nothing and be on their own.
I'm done here, as "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"rings far too true for you fucking imbecilic retarded window lickers. Fucking firms data. Jfc. Kys.
>>541770656Don't seem to argue much tranny faggot you just run away like a bitch. Talk about a pussy youre supposed to make an axe wound not become one.
I decided to check out Deep State and man it's even worse lol. >>541770552So how is it that this actual geolocation data doesn't match the satellite photo?>>541770656You were confronted with irrefutable third-party evidence and literally broke down, repeating the propaganda as if it were dogma.
What has always confused me is Azov battalion, like these guys are all super motivated racial politics psychos, but do they think after the war they'll all be put into government positions or something? How the fuck do they even get willing recruits. As if they won't all get liquidated for being way too dangerous and politically unfashionable to keep around, and regardless of who wins both sides would want that for them, because they're capable soldiers who'd be bent on getting revenge.
>>541771242It depends very much on the outcome of the war. I seriously doubt that Putin would agree to a peace deal without Azov being eliminated. And even for Ukraine it's in its interest to make them the scapegoats. If they somehow survive the war, it seems entirely possible that they would seek revenge against both Russia and Europe.
>>541771242They already took over ukraines police departments starting back in 2014.
>>541771242> As if they won't all get liquidated for being way too dangerousThey are too stupid to become dangerous to their masters. They will always be their useful golems.
>>541763879Ukraine is dead. Hopefully they disappear from history after being the dumbest goys on the planet. I'm always surprised there are still young women in Ukraine. Hopefully the last of them will go to Europe before it's too late.
>>541765234>>541764637>Have any of these regions actually talked about any kind of secession recently?No, and there are only a couple regions in Russia that aren't majority ethnic-Russian.
>>541764761>DUDE just let jewish glowniggers infest your countriesUltimate cuckMight as well hand your country over to globohomo NATO and get injected with LGBT and progressive propaganda, and turn into India. Would you be happy then? Because that's what Western glowniggers do to countries under their power.
>>541764761>Danes and Norweigans and Swedes fought each other until they realized how retarded that is.No. They fought each other until the Swedish empire ceased to exist and they all became cucks.>>541767753>I'm always fucking right.You can't always be right because I'm always right. Except the few times I was wrong. But I was still right, just premature. I really thought Ukrainians would get tired of losing/dying already.https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-draft-women/
>>541763879Oinkraine is the "omae wa mo shindeiru" of the world, already dead. There was already a conflict there in 2014, shouldn't have been so cocky about it.
It's quite simple, Ukrainians will become Europeans, and thus prosperous. Anyone further east than them will become a bricscuck, and thus a soulless broke subuuman non white.Ukrainians =/= joos, joos are the ones starting wars like Russia did (not Ukraine)
>>541763968Ukraine will cease to exist as punishment for its sins. Europe will become a failed continent as punishment for its sins. All their wealth will be transferred into the right hands./thread
