Previous: >>541761202Day 1,651 – Daily assessment: understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>Oil refinery "Kirishinefteorgsintez" (KINEF) in Leningrad Oblast got struck>Several more OZON warehouses struck in Rostov Oblast>Another Tu-95 got struck at Engels airbase>Ukraine’s Strikes Russian Command Posts in Occupied Donetsk and Luhansk Regions>Preliminary reports show that a kotel is forming north of Lyman with 2000 russian troops stuck.>OZON loses 28.6% value in a single trading day, which was closed early to stem the bleeding>putin has authorized the nationalization of enterprises that, according to the authorities, are insufficiently protected from Ukrainian attacks>10 Ukrainian servicemen were released from russian captivity>UK to share Storm Shadow blueprints with Ukraine>EU pledges $7.1bn in aid to Ukraine>Tyube, Dagestan OZON (130,000 m2) COOKED>Enem, Adygea OZON (91,200 m2) COOKED>Andy Burnham visits Kyiv in his first foreign trip as UK prime minister>Strikes on OZON facilities continue in Krasnodar and Adygea, South russia>Ukrainian Forces Strike Su-30SM and MiG-29 Fighter Jets>Drones have attacked Plesetsk space port in Arkhangelsk region>Drones have attacked natural gas infrastructure in Kursk region>Su-24 bomber destroyed at Saky airfield in Crimea on 20th August>Smoooking accident reported in Orenburg▶Telegramrentry.org/telosint2023t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelt.me/DeepStateUAt.me/DroneBombert.me/Exilenova_Plusodin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapsdeepstatemap.live/enliveuamap.com/en▶russian confirmed KIAhochuvernut.com200.zona.media/poteru.net/en/▶An illustrative article for understanding the "kill zone" in Ukraine's front linesreuters.com/graphics/UKRAINE-CRISIS/KILL-ZONE/znpnojmknvl/▶/uhg/-approved vidyadeepstatemap.live/arcade/▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOURS 1-4: files.catbox.moe/19avc9.zip
TZD btw
>Losing land in Lyman>Losing land in Kupyansk>Losing land in konst>Losing land in ZapoThe russia lost, pathetic nigger country and their summer copefensive ended up gaining negative land KEKAROOOOOO
Imagine being Urkranian and while your country gets bombed to smithereens 24/7 you come here for comfort and your only friends are a fat british sex tourist who lays eggs in your women and then spams 60pbtid on /pol/ and a French redditor called in for relief once the last tranny 41%'d, meanwhile more and more of your country becomes Russia slowly and surely, or rapidly kek while you as a people rapidly decline from 40 million to 20 in a span of years.
Russians do not belong on /pol/
>>541777228You lost pakijeet nigger KEKAROOO.
Remember the last sex tourist in the ukraine who'd shill here, he was dutch and got killed in a missile strike a week or 2 ago? Lmfao that was fun.
"defend" Cuckoldlandia to own the libs
>>541777260>he was dutch and got killed in a missile strike a week or 2 ago?The absolute state of jeetnigger shill wishcasting KEKAROOOOO
>>541777260You seem to be confusing a Dutch /pol/ lad with a different Dutch lad who died of natural causes. But you knew that anyway, didn't you. Fucking liar.
>>541777126Damn your video made me horny OP
>wake up at 3:00>phone getting bombarded by drone warning messages in south Estonia by our defence forcesso is pidorussia burning or was that a nothingburger
>still butthurt about his mum having been fucked by a troon sex tourist
>>541777126so uhh what's going on here?some russian punitive rape because someone didn't want to be drone bait?
libs are so OWNEDDDDD omg
None of the shills want to talk about the Lyman encirclement. Why is that?
>>541777314UST luga again apparently.
>>541777328it's from early in the special pynya operation, so probably not about drones, but yeah
>>541777328Punitive rape is a cornerstone of the russnigger army. Totally not gay btw, how a man gets hard thinking about fucking another mans ass...well that's a mystery.
>>541777126Post more please anon.
>Remember the last sex tourist in the ukraine who'd shill here, he was dutch and got killed in a missile strike a week or 2 ago? Lmfao that was fun.
>>541777349Because supposedly Lyman and all of Donbas is Ukraine kek. Congratulations on simply PREVENTING russians from easily taking your land meanwhile you still die and gain nothing compared to if the war never happened at all. Russia is ADVANCING, when they pick up a new piece of "Ukraine" they gain that land. When Ukrainians "advance" 2km they're taking back something they already had. Kys
>Russia is ADVANCING,
>>541777441Russia is definitely still going backwards and has been since 2022.No sign of it stopping.
>>541777441LMAO what the fuck is this nigger cope KEKAROOOO. Is this how the jeetnigger mind works? HOLY FUCK
>>541777466>Advancing
>>541777492nation of cope
>advancing
>advancingNope, every timeframe I just don't see them advancing.
clown mir
>advancingEven in the town Putin said they took months ago they are going backwards. Maybe I could check kupyansk since they definitely hold that, maybe they are advancing there?
>>541777492Tell me when in the war plans russia promised to take all of the ukraine. The northern front served a purpose of stretching and thinning ukrainian manpower defending such massive front making it easier for the eastern front, the main goal to be penetrated. Exactly like what the ukraine hoped kursk would be but it succeeded unlike kursk kek
>advancingThat's odd, seems Ukraine is advancing there too.
>>541777634you are too dumb to live
They're advancingAdvancing towards total collapse
>carefully zoomed in cope maps
>>541777634>Just a feintPull the other one retard. It's got bells on.
>>541777126TZD
>>541777712Oh please provide your maps of Russia 'advancing' then?I do love a chuckle.
someone get us a good get, like "russian children must die for bandera"
>c-c-c-cope maps...
>>541777777
>>541776575>Because I want russniggeria to collapseThat's pretty much a foregone conclusion already. The remaining questions are scale, when, and if Europe/USA/China intervene again to keep it together for whatever reason.
>>541777820>keep it together for whatever reason.Oil. Trump fucking Hormuz makes it inevitable sadly.
>>541777874didn't they make a route that Iran has no sight of recently?
>>541777958No. They've hit 20 ships in the last few weeks trying to use that route. Put 3 cruise missiles in a million barrel tanker a few hours ago. Trump has fucked it badly.
Got to hand it to the Russians. Yet another dictator tossing them into a meat grinder for no reason and they're taking it on the chin.
>>541777126
>>541777369please be gentle, I'm a superpower
>>541777126I could tell this was uhg because of the sodomy in the OPic.
>>541778258russians unironically thinks this is good for character development
>I could tell this was uhg because of the sodomy in the OPic.
>>541778402>I could tell this was uhg because of the sodomy in the OPic.
The ass is in the ass, brother
>Gulagohomo isn't reeeal
Turkey has prepared a plan for the safe passage of grain through the Black Sea and is discussing it with both Russia and Ukraine, Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said on Monday, as attacks on commercial shipping have again disrupted exports from the two countries.“We have prepared a plan and we are in contact with both sides regarding this plan,” Fidan told a news conference in Istanbul. “If the necessary conditions emerge, we are working in particular to achieve another agreement similar to the grain deal.”Turkey and the United Nations mediated the Black Sea Grain Initiative, agreed in July 2022, which allowed the export of nearly 33 million metric tons of Ukrainian grain despite the war. Russia withdrew from the accord in 2023, saying its own food and fertilizer shipments still faced obstacles.Ukraine later ran a unilateral corridor along the western Black Sea. That route, and Russian Black Sea shipments, have been hit hard in recent weeks by strikes on vessels and port infrastructure. Fidan said the resulting disruption was a threat to global food security and that several countries had asked Ankara to intervene. He called on both sides to show restraint.Ukraine has backed a renewed maritime ceasefire. Russia has rejected recent proposals, arguing that Ukrainian export earnings would finance Kyiv’s military campaign. Neither government has publicly accepted Turkey’s new plan.The Black Sea is expected to feature in talks between President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Russian President Vladimir Putin in Bishkek on Tuesday.
>>541778496russia already said no, so you can starve, faggot
>>541778546yap
>>541778546>grain shipping to nigger shitholes stops>which means ukraine has to export more to europeAnd according to you that causes europe to starve?
>>541778546im afraid nobody cares about what russia has to say :(
1/2Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov attended a G20 finance ministers’ meeting in the United States on Monday for the first time in person since Moscow invaded Ukraine in 2022, and held talks with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.Siluanov, who is under U.S. and other Western sanctions, was invited by the Trump administration, which holds the G20 presidency and did not give European counterparts advance notice. Russia remains a G20 member.Russia’s Finance Ministry said the two men discussed financial cooperation and work inside the G20. A U.S. official said the meeting focused on President Donald Trump’s peace plan for Ukraine. Fox Business correspondent Edward Lawrence reported that Bessent pressed the 28-point draft floated last year, which stalled after Kyiv and European governments objected that it tracked Russian demands. A source familiar with the talks later told Reuters that when Siluanov tried to raise other issues, Bessent said “nothing is possible until the war is over” and ruled out economic relief while the fighting continues.Bloomberg reported that Siluanov was accompanied by a Russian delegation; its composition was not disclosed.European officials in Asheville protested his presence. German Vice Chancellor and Finance Minister Lars Klingbeil confronted Siluanov in session, demanded an end to the war and, with other Europeans, threatened to boycott the traditional group photograph if the Russian minister appeared in it. Siluanov was left out of the picture. Klingbeil said Washington should not have received him as a normal guest.
the russia lost
>>5417786742/2The trip came six days after CIA Director John Ratcliffe made an unannounced visit to Moscow. Axios and The New York Times reported that he met Foreign Intelligence Service chief Sergei Naryshkin and FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov to test whether they could push President Vladimir Putin back toward talks. NYT sources said Ratcliffe gave Bortnikov a grim reading of Russia’s military and economic position, urged a deal before that position worsened, and floated a trilateral meeting of Putin, Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Naryshkin later described the encounter as routine.
>>541777349I don't really follow day-to-day events. Russia and Ukraine are fighting two different kinds of wars.Russia's strategy is to take the high ground around towns that Ukraine will be required to defend to the last Ukrainian but where Russia has the logistical and tactical advantage, so they can wear down the Ukrainian Army.Ukraine's strategy is to win PR victories regardless of the cost.Russia's strategy is "bend but don't break". Fight only where it makes sense.Ukraine fights to the last man everywhere because they have to maintain the appearance they're not losing since their money depends on it.
>>541778772Not particularly interested in what a man that fucks dogs has to say.
>>541777634Didn't Strelkov say the exact opposite of this? That the donbabwean infantry were thrown into the teeth of Ukrainian defenses to lock those forces in place while the russnigger army took its glorious march through KEEV? That makes more sense than your version, since the advances in Donbabwe happened literal years later.
>>541778772Russia will break
>>541778950It's already broken but it's like those videos goreleaf posts with the guts hanging out but they keep breathing for a while.
>>541779037Good analogy. For me it's deliriously trying to put out the fire that is already well underway in cremating them.
>>541777634>Tell me when in the war plans russia promised to take all of the ukraine.russia has been demanding 'denazification' of Ukraine since day 1, what does that mean in your opinion? It means replacing Ukrainian government with russian pupets, and therefore taking entire Ukraine back under rurssian sphere of influence. That was the goal of the 3 day special military operation and thats why russians landed their VDV at Hostomel and attempted blitzkrieg at Kyiv. This plan was repeat of what soviets did invading Czechoslovakia in 1968 almost to the letter. You meanwhle are performing all sorts of mental gymnastics to prove that everything happened according to some russian plan instead of accepting the reality that this time russians failed miserably and have been unable to enforce their demands for almost 5 years now.
>>541777126Can you stop using sick pictures like that? This is a family forum.
>>541778772>I don't really follow day-to-day events>immediately unveils the grand unified theory of the entire warkekyou posted this the day the Lyman counteroffensive broke. 3rd Army Corps has been running a secret counterattack since April — captured Nove in July, pushed south into the Russian salient's exposed flank. ~200km2 recaptured, 144th and 2nd MRD under increasing pressure near Kolodyazi. Thorkill confirmed someone in 3rd Corps "effectively cut off information flow" for months. full encirclement isn't confirmed yet — separating confirmed movement from clickbait, difficult concept — but the salient is collapsing. Russia tried to encircle Lyman and got their flank rolled instead lmao>Russia's strategy is "bend but don't break"CSIS (July 2026): 1.4M Russian casualties, up to 450k dead. advance rate of 15-70 metres/day. monthly losses of 30k+ exceeding recruitment of ~27k/month. Mediazona/BBC confirmed 19,547 Wagner dead at Bakhmut alone, 17,000 of them convicts. Prigozhin said he lacked ammo and leaving would be treasonabsolute sun tzu: spend 20k men on one ruin under threat of execution, then call it selective fighting. very "bend", much "don't break" kek
>fatherless behavior
>>541778772the Oleksandrivka counteroffensive ran January to August 2026, liberated 745km2 across three oblasts, 26 villages, inflicted ~9,550 KIA and 6,600 WIA (UA General Staff / ISW). Russia pushed into the "intersection" and got rolled back. that's not "bending," that's breaking>Ukraine's strategy is to win PR victories regardless of costboth the Lyman op and Oleksandrivka were run under strict OPSEC. if your strategy is PR you don't run an 8-month op under radio silence while OSINT mappers can't even track your advances. worst PR campaign in history apparently lmao>Ukraine fights to the last man everywhere because moneyavdiivka: Syrskyi ordered withdrawal to "avoid encirclement and preserve the lives and health of servicemen"vuhledar: withdrew to "preserve personnel and combat equipment"siversk: withdrew to "preserve lives and maintain combat capability""everywhere" survived one search query kek. ukraine arguably held bakhmut too long. the manpower shortage is real. russia does use attrition. there, your entire true paragraph. none of it proves every russian setback is a clever bend or every ukrainian operation is a PR stunt. that's not analysis, that's a warranty protecting your conclusion from evidence>ukraine draft women.pngyour own Responsible Statecraft article admits the idea "hasn't gained real traction." its case is an ex-minister, an ex-US envoy, a petition, and some commentators. the Rada defence committee said on Aug 25 there are no legislative initiatives, draft laws, or even internal discussions. women join voluntarily. you posted the debunking paragraph inside your own proof and hoped nobody could scroll lmaoalso love citing Responsible Statecraft - that's the Quincy Institute's publication, co-founded with $500k from George Soros's Open Society Foundation. same Soros you were screeching about funding Ukraine a few threads back. citing a Soros-funded think tank to own the ukies, bold strategy kek
>>541777126TzD
>>541778772>ukraine's money depends on pretending it isn't losingthen why did Kyiv publicly announce all three withdrawals I previously mentioned? citation for the secret western pay-per-village contract: revealed to redshadowz in a dreamrussia advances = geniusrussia retreats = bendukraine advances = prukraine retreats = collapsea theory that wins under every possible outcome predicts nothing. it's map-themed theology from a namefag who opened with "i don't follow events"t. Eastern Ukrainian who does
>>541779438bruh that's 1:1 with what I read in One Soldier's War
>>541777302funny because most of those dead rusniggers were so eager to invade ukraine
>>541778686That's some good taste my manhttps://youtu.be/K70nC0FbxiU?si=EutEQwP5R5TmH1FY
>>541779519Damn lad, could have just called him a dog fucker and walked away but you just clean ripped out his jugular instead. I'm guessing you've had your coffee.
>>541778772mershy, you're genuinely fucked in the head
>>541779673it's not mearshnigger, he never, ever post pictures for some reasons. like some kind of boomer who dont understand how an image board works
>>541779621for me it's Hand of Doom, real TZDcorehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2az2Vxl0hjE
>>541777126When will Keef stop getting bombed?
>>541778772Who could be behind this post> Responsible Statecraft is the online magazine published by the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, a Washington, D.C.-based foreign policy think tank founded in 2019
When will pidors understand that terrorizing Kyiv won't change the outcome of the war, nor prevent their journey to the cube?
From the "Modi confronts Putin" threadHahahaha
>>541779178Your daily reminder snownigger
Niger’s army, backed by Russia’s Africa Corps, regained control of Air Base 101 in Niamey after mutinous soldiers attacked the capital, Reuters reported, in the most serious challenge yet to military ruler Abdourahamane Tiani.Gunfire and explosions were heard for hours from the night of Aug. 28 into Aug. 29 around Diori Hamani International Airport, the presidential palace and the state broadcaster, which went off the air. Defense Minister Salifou Mody said soldiers had detained comrades at Base 101 and opened fire on sensitive sites. State media spoke of hundreds of disaffected troops; that figure was not independently confirmed.The presidential guard held the palace. By Saturday evening the guard, with Africa Corps support, had retaken the airbase. Three Reuters sources said the Russian paramilitary force, which answers to the Defense Ministry, was decisive. One said it fought in the capital. A second, a Sahel specialist, said Russian units used kamikaze drones at the base and killed some mutineers. A third said at least one drone strike helped force a surrender.Ambassador Viktor Voropaev said Niamey had asked Africa Corps for help. Moscow’s foreign ministry said Niger’s army, with the corps’ assistance, had repelled the attack and that Russia would keep backing Niamey against militants.“Another cowardly attack on Base 101, and once again our defense and security forces ensured order… The situation is under control,” Consultative Council member Bana Wagana Ibrahim wrote on social media while fighting was still being reported.Tiani, who seized power in 2023 and replaced French and U.S. security ties with Moscow, had not spoken publicly in the hours after the assault. Base 101 also hosts an Alliance of Sahel States unit and Italian forces. The base was attacked twice earlier this year by jihadist groups.
>>541777126what is this video?who are those people
>>541780242one Russian soldier punishing another via punitive penetration (not gay btw)
>>541779401>>541779492>>5417795191) I'm not interested in petty arguing. I'm a grand strategist. Just because I randomly came here today doesn't mean it has any special significance to me.2) Ukraine constantly holds territory that makes no strategic sense so that you dorks can brag about how "Bakhmut Holds" or that "Russia isn't winning fast enough".3) I never said Russian advances are genius. Russia fucks up all the time. All I was saying is that Russia and Ukraine aren't fighting in the same manner because they have different incentives. Russia goal is to destroy the Ukrainian Army. Ukraine's goal is to get more money.>>541780060Not sure why you two are so triggered by the Quincy institute. How about pic-related?https://www.theamericanconservative.com/its-time-to-apologize-to-ukrainians/
>>541780281>I'm a grand strategist.You literally fuck your dog, grand strategist
>>541780281>I'm a grand strategistYou're a tit.
>>541777228>fat british sex tourist who lays eggs in your women and then spams 60pbtid on /pol/Did that bong really make you seethe so hard that you chose to mention him over goreleaf?
>>541780272Yuck. Thanks.
>>541777228from what i see, your side has more confirmed troons, that according to your side, are hecking cute and valid. that aside you're either some flavour of a shitskin (my money is either on spic or jeet) or certified retard
>>541779519>russia retreats>ukraine advancesThose things are not real, they only exist inside your copebubble.
>>541780281You have completely misunderstunded how things are. There are killer whales living nearby. They eat these bears up like small fry. Yes, they just attack as a pack – boom! – and tear them to pieces. It's all very interesting. Yes, that's the food chain.I hope this clarified it for you.
>>541780348saw a kyiv independent article that we're most disliked ally according to the polls, with 50% of aproval
>>541780348Jeet simply is unable to think about anything else than rapeing white women so he assumes everyone else is also rapeing white womenAnd because the bong actually went to Ukraine and proved it . That made the jeet mad because he isn't rapeing white women when he imagines the bong was
>>541780722I was a perfect gentleman in Ukraine. Didn't even try to chat up any women. Too much respect for the men at the front to be such an opportunist.
Bardcore cover of We didn't start the Fire. Actually pretty entertaining.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drDs-Y5DNH8
I love how the >Russia is advancing therefore winningcope doesn't work anymore, because Russians stopped advancing
>>541780971They're actively going backwards...in the Donbass. Reminder: glownigger kike putin set a deadline for October to completely control the entirety of the Donbass and now the niggers are moving backwards there KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>541781033you are now aware that the october deadline is the 16th time Jewtin made a deadline that didn't work
>>541780971They don't try the 'ukrainian men are all hiding' anymore much either since I started dumping my holiday snaps.They are trying strippers now, which is new. >>541779238
>>541781033Apparently the top brass are begging Putin to move the deadline to march.
>>541780281>i'm not interested in petty arguing>posts a numbered rebuttal>i'm a grand strategistLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOself-promoted to grand strategist one post after admitting "i don't really follow day-to-day events"absolute kino>just because i randomly came here todaynobody claimed your arrival psychically caused the counterattack, sun tzuthe point was that you admitted you don't follow events, then unveiled a universal theory of the war on the exact day current events stress-tested it"coincidence" does not magically refill the homework you proudly announced you hadn't done lmao>ukraine constantly holds territory that makes no strategic senselast post: "fights to the last man everywhere"this post: "constantly"evidence supplied: bakhmutthe exact case i already conceded may have been held too longmagnificent retreat from a universal claim to one disputed example. very bend, much don't break kekand if bakhmut made zero strategic sense, why did russia feed 19,547 documented wagner dead into capturing the same ruin, including 17,175 prisoners?either bakhmut had military value or russia also expended catastrophic manpower somewhere strategically irrationalchoose rake to step on lmao>i never said russian advances are genius>russia fucks up all the timeyou said russia "fight only where it makes sense" and follows "bend but don't break"now russia "fucks up all the time"that isn't clarification. that's your original claim bending until it audibly breaks LMAOOOOO>russia's goal is to destroy the ukrainian army>ukraine's goal is to get more moneycategory error from the grand strategist"destroy the opposing army" is a military means"obtain money and weapons" is a resource input
>>541781052One more deadline will save russniggerland! KEKAROOOOOO
>>541781033Nonsense. Russians are heroically regrouping to more advanced positions, while Ukrainians are cowardly backtracking forward.
>>541780281russia's political objective is subordinating ukraine. ukraine's is surviving as an independent state and defending territory. aid dependence obviously creates donor-signalling incentives and may distort decisions. that still does not prove fundraising is ukraine's terminal strategic objectiveyou keep repeating the conclusion where evidence is supposed to go lmao>not sure why you're triggered by quincy>how about pic-related?LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOpic-related is by ted sniderthe american conservative's own bio calls ted snider "a frequent contributor to responsible statecraft"responsible statecraft is literally quincy's online magazineyou answered "this guy cites the quincy ecosystem" by linking the same ecosystem's regular contributor wearing a different website as a fake moustachesame columnistdifferent cssTACTICAL SOURCE ROTATION COMPLETE kekfunding doesn't automatically falsify an article, incidentally. but since funder genealogy was apparently your purity test until five minutes ago: quincy launched with $500k each from open society and the koch foundation, while TAC's parent received a $528,400 charles koch institute grant in 2020you didn't escape billionaire-funded think-tank world. you changed browser tabs lmaoand your new source doesn't prove your claim anywaythe article itself says the stated goal of the deep-strike campaign was to compel russia to end the war and improve ukraine's negotiating positionyou can argue that operation failed. you cannot cite "operation intended to force negotiations" as evidence that ukraine's strategic goal is money without your own source biting you on the ankleits battlefield confidence is literally "perhaps taking" kostiantynivka, followed by "if it falls, or has fallen"grand strategy is when you don't know whether the city fell LMAO
>>541780281it says the US has no patriot missiles to give despite ukraine reporting an agreement for continued monthly allocations - explicitly insufficient, but not "none"it declares interception "approaching zero"; one week later ukraine reported intercepting seven ballistic missiles in one attackreal shortage inflated into absolute claim, immediately falsified. familiar technique kekits istanbul section performs the same trick: quotes arakhamia's boris johnson line while omitting that the same account says ukraine lacked trust and workable guarantees, the delegation was neither ready nor legally authorised to sign, johnson did not force kyiv's hand, and western governments advised rather than decided"comprehensive catalogue" with the adjacent debunking paragraph removed lmaooooosmall correction to my earlier post, because this is what following evidence looks like:lyman: ISW confirms ukrainian gains and russian-source admissions of counterattacks and pressure on the salient; 200km2, collapse and encirclement are not independently confirmedprigozhin said leaving bakhmut would be treated as treason; i don't have evidence of an execution orderoleksandrivka: 745km2 and the casualty numbers are ukrainian claims; ISW independently maps about 626.7km2 and calls it a relatively significant tactical successnone of those corrections rescues your argumentthat's the difference between analysis and theology: analysis changes when evidence changesyour system remains:russia advances = strategyrussia retreats = bendingukraine advances = PRukraine retreats = collapserussia sacrifices men = attritionukraine sacrifices men = fundraisingevery possible observation produces the same answerpredicts nothingexplains nothingcannot be falsifiedpresented by a self-declared grand strategist who doesn't follow events and accidentally escaped quincy by citing a regular responsible statecraft contributorLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt. Eastern Ukrainian
>80IQ dolboyobnice (((leader)))
good morning and TZD (BOTTOM TEXT), /uhg/>>541781159>>541781207weaponized autism at its finestcheers, fren
>>541781290gud morning frenwish death on russoid subhumans
>cofi status?
>>541781384one cuppa done, one more cuppa to go
>>541781384>Coffee statusUkie Finn has clearly had his.
>>541781420based
>>541781384Kathryn <3
>>541781420Coffee is what actually makes me chill lmao. I had no coffee and I slept a total of 15 hours in the last 3 days. I hate Rusniggers and their shills something fierce, let me tell you.
>>541781503>I hate Rusniggers and their shills something fierceMe too lad. Me too.
>>541781434- shhhhh _______________________________- not yet ________________________________- you may break the prime directive ___
>>541781503>something fierce, let me tell youWas something bombed in Kiev this night?
>>541781566Your mom's zhopa.
>>541781541>Me too lad. Me too.Was something bombed in Odessa last night?
>>541781566Just 1613 more nights of bombings and the Ukrainians might surrender......
>>541781566Remember when Khmara promised ballistic missiles on Moscow this autumn? Tick-tock zigger. Laugh while you can.
>>541781566refer to >>541780080and please keep your phone charged + online + set to notify
>>541781594Your dad's anus. By a high speed dog penile projectile.
>>541781594Can't win on the battlefield, bombs civilians in monke rage.
>>541781112>self-promoted to grand strategist one post after admitting "i don't really follow day-to-day events"A grand strategist mostly cares about geopolitics and the balance of power. Basically, I'm looking at alliances, resources, and industry. I wouldn't have needed to watch the day-to-day fighting in WWII to know Germany and Japan were going to lose. They won plenty of battles between 1941 and 1945 but they were always going to lose.>unveiled a universal theory of the war on the exact day current events stress-tested itThis has always been my view. Everyone knows Ukraine is fighting a PR war. I can remember Zelensky himself talking about the reason he can't give up any territory is because he would lose funding since people would begin to doubt Ukraine's willingness to fight or the return on investment.>the exact case i already conceded may have been held too longIt's the same everywhere there is any real fighting. Mariupol, Bakhmut, Kursk, Pokrovsk, and now Kostiantynivka. Probably many others I'm not even aware of because I don't follow the fighting closely.>if bakhmut made zero strategic senseI never said Bakhmut made zero strategic sense. I said Ukraine holding only Bakhmut as long as it did made no strategic sense. As I said, Russia's goal is to drain the Ukrainian Army where it has the advantage. To understand the strategy, watch this.https://youtu.be/CQaa4SfFFck>you said russia "fight only where it makes sense" and follows "bend but don't break"I said that's their strategy. I never said they never made mistakes.>category error from the grand strategist>"destroy the opposing army" is a military means>"obtain money and weapons" is a resource inputUkraine cannot fight without foreign money/weapons. Thus Ukraine's #1 priority is how to get more money/weapons. That isn't a consideration for Russia at all.Basically, Ukraine has to "sell" the war to its supporters who have to believe Ukraine will win if we just give them a little more.
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>>541781503keep on the good work, kind anonlet thy TZD come
>>541781613You probably meant Hohols and they are not allowed to surrender to the last one. Hohol is the name of their unique nationalistic patriotic haircut. Ukrainians joined Russia, as the name Okraina suggests.I heard that hohol supermarkets were full of food. Will they eat each other this winter?
Putin saw an AI video of orcas chasing a polar bear and believed it was real.In reality, these two rarely even meet in nature and no one is sure if orcas would eat bears.
>>541781687wtf is this real?!
oh boy, the famous dogfucker RedRocketz is here to be a lolcow once again
>>541781682If Ukrainians require food, food will be provided. It's nice having friends.
>>541781712>Jewtin, probably
>>541777126When I think of Russian soldiers struggling in the field, it's always this webm first along with other fucked up shit my brain has compiled over the years. Gay buttsex rape and holy drones with old crusty hardly functioning equipment. Fucking sad really. It ls not propaganda its just the reality of a poor zigger faggot
>>541781750kindly delet
bust-luga looks a bit smoky
the so-called Russia will break
air defense cuckold is hard at work
>>541781159>russia's political objective is subordinating ukraineRussia's true political objective is the neutralization of Europe. Russia doesn't need to subordinate Ukraine or Finland or anyone else. It just needs to keep America out.>responsible statecraft is literally quincy's online magazineI only linked to the fucking article because I thought it was funny listening to Keith Kellogg and others talking about how Ukraine should draft women. Then I saw a video of a reporter asking Budanov about it and he said he would only do that once he ran out of Ukrainian men to draft.I barely even read the article. But the opening was basically the meme about fighting to the last Ukrainian and clearing the land for New Khazaria.>>541781207My entire Twitter feed is literally Ukrainians crying because air raid sirens have basically not stopped for the last three days and no one is getting any sleep. Lots of people saying they feel like they have no choice but to leave Ukraine because it's basically impossible to live anymore. With NAFO fags telling them not to leave because it would benefit Russia. With one guy saying they would just be moving from one war to the next.I'm not interested in listening to your cope about "Steiner's Offensive" that will surely take Moscow this time. Repeating Zelensky's lies won't change anything either.
>>541781970
>>541781970lmao, dogfucker is SEETHING because his little nigger cope about russia controlling the donbass is in the fucking TRASH. Now go ahead and tell us how russia is actually the based saviour of Whites KEKAROOOOO
>>541781647>i said ukraine holding bakhmut as long as it did made no strategic sensefair correction: i compressed your claim too far. you meant the duration, not that bakhmut possessed zero strategic valueone (1) point awarded to the grand strategist>to understand the strategy, watch battle of verdun 3DLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOimperial war museums gives roughly 377,000 french casualties versus 330,000 german and concludes falkenhayn's plan to destroy the french army failedyou selected the canonical failed attrition trap - near-symmetric slaughter, objective not achieved, commander sacked - to demonstrate that an attrition trap necessarily works"watch verdun" kekand a youtube animation about 1916 does not establish the bakhmut exchange ratioto prove russia drained ukraine "where it had the advantage," you need credible comparative losses, replacement costs and operational resultsnot "look, another battle contained artillery" lmao>mariupol, bakhmut, kursk, pokrovsk, kostiantynivkamariupol was a strategic port and land-corridor objective, completely encircled, whose garrison was eventually ordered by kyiv to stand downthe main kursk pocket ended in withdrawal. whether it was worth the cost remains legitimately debatablepokrovsk was a major logistics centre, and syrskyi explicitly ordered units out of positions that were no longer practical to holdkostiantynivka is an ongoing battle for a critical fortress-belt stronghold. you haven't supplied an outcome, casualty comparison or proposed superior withdrawal datebakhmut remains your strongest example and i already conceded the possibility it was held too longyour five proofs are therefore:one conceded overstayone debatable operation that ended in withdrawalone ordered surrenderone battle with selective withdrawalsone battle that hasn't ended yet"same everywhere" remains something you generated from vibes while admittedly not following the fighting lmao
>>541781647>i said that's their strategy. i never said they never made mistakesthere's the warranty againrussian counterexample = an execution mistake that says nothing about russian strategyukrainian counterexample = revelation of ukraine's entire strategysame event, opposite evidentiary rule kekif "russia fights only where it makes sense" now merely means "russia generally intends to choose favourable battles but sometimes chooses disastrous ones," congratulations: you have discovered the doctrine of every military organisation in recorded historyukraine can likewise have a force-preservation doctrine while making a bad decision at bakhmutyou don't get to classify russian failures as exceptions while classifying ukrainian failures as essence>ukraine cannot fight without foreign money/weapons>that isn't a consideration for russia at all>attachment: china will not let russia lose.jpgLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYOU ATTACHED THE COUNTERARGUMENT TO YOUR OWN SENTENCEif china is the geopolitical backstop preventing russian defeat, foreign support is quite literally a consideration for russianorth korean troops, weapons and ammunitioniranian drones and missileschinese components, equipment and raw materials for the defence industrytotally autarkic war effort btwplease ignore coalition holding up war effort lmaoyour WWII analogy makes the category error even clearerbritain and the USSR depended on enormous american material assistance. lend-lease existed before the US even formally entered the warthey had to persuade washington, maintain the coalition and demonstrate that continued assistance served american interestsdid that make britain's political objective "getting money," rather than survival and defeating germany?of course notsurvival was the endweapons were meansmaintaining allied support was a strategic taskexactly the distinction you keep pretending not to understand
>>541781647>i can remember zelensky himself talking about...excellent source: "i can remember"post the quotationthe documented version is that maintaining allied belief takes enormous effort and that without aid ukraine will loseyes. obviously. ukraine is aid-dependentthat still does not say territory is defended solely to preserve cashflowwhen rejecting a donbas withdrawal, zelensky's stated reasons were fortified defensive lines, strategic high ground, opening routes toward zaporizhzhia/dnipro/kharkiv and the absence of security guaranteesyour remembered "return on investment" confession remains revealed to redshadowz in a dream kekand your china headline says only that beijing reportedly does not want russia defeated because washington could then concentrate on chinapreference is not a guaranteepreventing defeat is not ensuring victoryan unattributed closed-door report is not an alliance commitmentmore importantly, that stated motive implies beijing may prefer the war to continue tying down america rather than russia actually concluding it victoriouslyyour alleged guarantor's optimal outcome may be russia bleeding indefinitelyabsolute grand strategyLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt. Eastern Ukrainian
>West is le bad, which is why we have to ally with... hobo piggers...
Did the jannies or the thread originator delete OP pic?
>>541782244Looool looks like jannies dilated a bit too much.
>>541780101lot of shattered shitters in that thread>>541782282correct
>>541781647>That isn't a consideration for Russia at all.LMAO
>>541782244Probably jannies. If was a russian soldier being disciplined.
TZD!hang putin!
>>541782244>OP picwhat was on it?
>>541782295In a trad and completely non-homosexual way, I bet.
>>541782372Two Russian soldiers raping a third.
>>541782372that one webm of dedovshina as a backdrop for the US vpnpidor jakpidors really appreciate that one it seems
>Putin has increased the staff of his security guards for the fourth time since the start of the war.It is afraid
Good morning NAFO sisters, did the Rasha lose today ?
>be Russian>get arrested
>>541782491Putin's personal security detail is now the third biggest employer in Russia after firemen and front line cannon fodder.
>>541782578Super now explain why so many men get arrested in the streets of Ukrainian cities
LMAO WHY is your general so dead today
>>541782551>NAFONAFONAFONAFO NAFO NAFONAAAAAAAAFFFFOOOOOOONAFONAFO
>>541782650oh hey it's mogilicope #1platinum kek
>>541782760Most of our regulars don't live in India saar it simple timezone matter saaaaaaaaaaaaaar
>Large fire in the town of Koltushi, Leningrad Oblast, near the "Vyborg" agricultural firm.
>pidors flee to georgia en masse>a (((georgian))) zister starts appearing in the threadNOOOTICING
>>541782760lots of bans from hooked jannies, as always, /chug/'s only lifeline
>>541781970>Russia's true political objective is neutralization of Europe>Russia doesn't need to subordinate UkrainePutin, July 2021, kremlin.ru: "I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia"Moscow's 2021 draft treaty demanded Ukraine be barred from NATO. the 2024 terms demanded four oblasts Russia didn't even fully control. dictating another state's borders and alliances is subordination with extra syllables kekthe keep-America-out masterplan also put Finland and Sweden in NATO, doubled NATO's Russian border from 754 to 1,584 miles, and gave US forces prepositioning across 15 Finnish facilities. absolute grand strategy lmao>I barely even read the articlehe confirmed it himself. four posts, four sources, none of them read. we've been saying this the entire thread and he just typed the confession with his own fingers LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>541782790This is not an answer
>>541781970>the opening was basically the meme about fighting to the last Ukrainian and clearing the land for New Khazariathe grand strategist has entered the Khazaria lore arcsmall geography problem: the Khazar Khaganate had three capitals. Balanjar - Dagestan, Russia. Samandar - Dagestan, Russia. Atil - Volga delta near modern Astrakhan, Russia. the heartland was the North Caucasus, lower Volga, and lower Don. all inside the modern Russian Federationif anyone's building New Khazaria on historical Khazar territory it's Putin lmaooooothe "New Khazaria" fanfic isn't in the Marcetic article either. headline + conspiracy DLC kek>Budanov said he would only do that once he ran out of Ukrainian men to draftactual quote: "There is absolutely no need. How can we mobilize women when not all men have been mobilized? This is quite strange"you amputated the rejection and converted a rhetorical objection into a timetable because you read the meme instead of the source. the redshadowz special lmaoRada defence committee, Aug 25: no legislative initiatives, no draft laws, no internal discussions. women join voluntarily>my entire Twitter feed is literally Ukrainians crying because air raid sirens have not stoppedthe alerts are real. Kyiv had near-round-the-clock sirens for days. that proves bombardment hurts civilians, not that no counterattack occurred. random NAFO accounts aren't military doctrine
>>541782856Dzugashvili is about to send you back to where you came from BTWenjoy being target practice for Chadkraine frens
>>541781970>Steiner's Offensivefair: my first Lyman wording outran the evidence; corrected above. geolocated gains are confirmed; 200km2, encirclement and "collapse" aren't. literally the opposite of "Steiner takes Moscow"the oleksandrivka counteroffensive is independently mapped by ISW at ~626.7km2. calling confirmed operations fictional while admitting you don't follow the fighting is coping with evidence you haven't examined kekand if that jpeg is meant to answer the loss sourcing: Zelensky claimed 1.6m/700k. CSIS estimated 1.4m/400-450k. different numbers, source and method. rebuttal by vaguely similar thumbnail lmaooooorecap for lurkers:post 1: "I don't follow events" + "bend but don't break"post 2: "I'm a grand strategist" + zero evidence addressedpost 3: "watch Verdun" (where the strategy failed)post 4: "I barely read the article" + New Khazaria (located in Russia)grand strategist who can't locate his own conspiracy theory on a map, can't quote his own source correctly, cited the most famous attritional failure as a success model, and confirmed he doesn't read the articles he postsLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt. Eastern Ukrainian who reads past the headline
>>541782085>imperial war museums gives roughly 377,000 french casualties versus 330,000 german and concludes falkenhayn's plan to destroy the french army failedThe reason Verdun was chosen was because of logistics(German rail networks) and because Germany knew France would be forced to defend it at all costs. The goal of Falkenhayn was to use Verdun to "bleed the French Army white". Falkenhayn's main failure was that he couldn't take all the high ground early on. Otherwise the K:D ratio would have been much more in favor of Germany.Russia's strategy is exactly Falkenhayn's strategy except they are much better at taking the high ground.>to prove russia drained ukraine "where it had the advantage," you need credible comparative losses, replacement costs and operational resultsIt's impossible to get "credible comparative losses". At least not of infantry. The only somewhat objective sources are obituary records and body-exchanges. And no one accepts either.For that matter, Falkenhayn believed the French were taking much higher casualties than they actually were(and vice-versa).>mariupol was a strategic port and land-corridor objective, completely encircled, whose garrison was eventually ordered by kyiv to stand downThey were initially given the order to "stand and fight" and they lost everything except Azovstal for nearly three months. The most traumatic thing I saw from that period of the war was a soldier in Azovstal with gangrenous limbs who was writing in pain but couldn't be evacuated because Azog said only cowards surrender(they eventually surrendered when they were on the verge of starvation).>Kostiantynivka is an ongoing battle for a critical fortress-belt stronghold. you haven't supplied an outcomeIt will be lost. Ukraine loses every real battle. Ukraine only wins where Russia doesn't control key positions, and thus doesn't commit(especially where soldiers get way out ahead of supply lines and reinforcements). Russia is a slow-moving bulldozer.
Also if drone walls are real why they couldn’t protect Pokrovsk ?
>>541782966What was Falkenheyn's strategy for dealing with endless precision drone strikes on advancing infantry groups?
>>541782395>>541782416that was not porn, there was no dicks or ass in sight! who is OP? you should report jannie
Azov is super
>pidor subhuman thinks i will not filter his ID if he gives his posts a veneer of civility and pseudoreasonable discourse LOL
>>541782151>post the quotationIt was years ago and I didn't save it. I don't remember it verbatim, but it was actually something like, "If Ukraine were to give up X. What won't it give up?" It was someone asking him about pulling back the Army to more defensible lines. He basically said it would "look bad" to Ukraine's supporters if Ukraine started giving up territory without a fight. And that they might stop supporting Ukraine altogether.>and your china headline says only that beijing reportedly does not want russia defeated because washington could then concentrate on china. preference is not a guaranteeAs I always say, China will not let Russia lose, but China doesn't want Russia to win. China wants this war to go on forever.PS: I got suspended from Twitter twice after posting pic-related. Do you have any idea why? They never gave me a real reason, but restored my account both times after two appeals.
>>541783068ofc it's not, but hardly the first time I get b& for the grave crime of not wanting my favorite board abused as russnigger containmentbut I trust that this issue will diminish a great deal post mobilization, thank you Jewtin
>>541782850>I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with RussiaYes. What do you think that means? Even Arestovych said Russia only required Ukrainian neutrality.>Moscow's 2021 draft treaty demanded Ukraine be barred from NATO.Which is something they had demanded since 1991.>the 2024 terms demanded four oblasts Russia didn't even fully control. dictating another state's borders and alliances is subordination with extra syllables kekWhy didn't they demand all of Ukraine then? But yes, if Ukraine is going to start a war, they will inevitably lose all of the Russian-speaking territories. How else can Russia solve the cause of the war?>he confirmed it himself. four posts, four sources, none of them read. we've been saying this the entire thread and he just typed the confession with his own fingersNone of my arguments have anything to do with that article. I mostly post pics and articles as an "appeal to authority". I've been saying all of these things since before the war started.
>>541782331Could be worse.
>Heavy smoke is visible in the sky in St. Petersburg. We explain what happened.>The Leningrad Region government told Fontanka that a spent gas cylinder exploded at a landfill in the Yanino district. There were no injuries.Muahahaha.MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
>>541783379>just lie, bro>just male your life a forever war against reality, broto what end, pidor
>>541783360here come the schizo commie points, because all the cope has been spent
>>541782966>Falkenhayn misread the casualty ratio>credible comparative losses are impossible>Russia is doing exactly Falkenhayn's strategy successfullyyou've described a commander who assumed a favorable ratio without reliable data, was wrong and failed - then made the same assumption while admitting the evidence needed to prove it is impossibleyou aren't comparing Russia to Falkenhayn. you're roleplaying Falkenhayn kekRobert Foley (Cambridge, 2005): Germany expected to take the eastern heights and shred French counterattacks. when that failed, Germany kept attacking while insisting French losses must be higher. at Bakhmut, Avdiivka and Kostiantynivka Russia is the force assaulting Ukrainian positions. "eventually takes some heights" is not the same operational design lmao>only somewhat objective sources are obituaries and body exchangesexact bilateral ratios are uncertain. agreed. therefore your favorable-Russian exchange is also unprovenMediazona/Meduza cross-check named dead against Russia's Probate Registry and estimated 352,000 Russian male citizens aged 18-59 killed through end of 2025. published May 9 2026. 217,808 individually verified by name. imperfect evidence isn't zero evidence. body exchanges measure recovery and swap schedules, not total KIA"credible comparative losses don't exist" while citing zero sources of your own is a dodge, not a methodology kek>Mariupol - they were initially given the order to stand and fightyes: costly holdout, Russian victory, horrific conditions. it still ended when high command ordered the garrison to save personnel. one exceptional encircled strategic port doesn't prove "everywhere"gangrene is documented. "Azov said only cowards surrender" isn't - Azov's stated reason for reluctance was fear Russia would kill them in captivity. Olenivka proved they were right
>>541782966>Kostiantynivka will be lostmay be. it hasn't been. ISW Aug 31: both sides advanced; Russia has been struggling with the envelopment for ten months. you haven't supplied an outcome, casualty comparison, or proposed superior withdrawal date"it will be lost" is a prediction, not evidence. predictions from a grand strategist who admitted he doesn't follow the fighting kek>Ukraine loses every real battleKyiv: Russia withdrewKharkiv: 12,000km2 liberatedKherson: city liberatedSnake Island: recapturedOleksandrivka 2026: 745km2Lyman 2026: confirmed gainsthese become "not real" because Russia lost them. logistics failures apparently don't count eitherRussia wins = real battleRussia loses = supply issuewarranty renewed lmaooooo
>>541783413Fuck those precission spent gas cylinders. Putin should ban them.
Are we warring or wot
>>541783553It's all a bit phony
>>541783508>WW2 Germany lose eastern front because logistic gets fucked in Ukraine swamps>"Modern" Russia lose the front in Ukraine over logistics.History does rhyme doesn't it.
>>541783586We've tried jaw jaw for too long desu time for war war
>>541783375
>>541783661I'm starting to think we might.
>>541783661>>541783677Do it again, Nigel.
>>541779866AIDS caused by anal rape (by a man, but not gay) can cause eye problems, maybe he's blind
>>541783375lol
>>541783198>post the quotation>it was years ago>I didn't save it>I don't remember it verbatim>something like>he basically saidLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOthe primary source has completed its metamorphosis into oral folklore. two more replies and we'll be reconstructing Zelensky's quotation from pottery shards kekthe closest traceable match is his March 2023 AP interview about Bakhmut. what he actually said was that Putin would "sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran," Ukrainian society would tire, and defeat could create pressure for territorial compromise. AP described it as a political more than tactical concernnothing about western aid being cancelled because Ukraine withdrew to a better defensive line. you converted "a defeat may strengthen demands for compromise" into "the paymasters dock Ukraine per village" entirely inside your own skull lmaoeven better: one month earlier Zelensky told Corriere della Sera that Bakhmut mattered "but not at any price and not for everyone to die"so the preserved quotation contradicts the universal claim while your supporting quotation exists only as vibes kekand I already conceded Bakhmut may have been held too long. one disputed battle still does not prove "Ukraine fights to the last man everywhere." you need evidence for "everywhere," not a half-remembered anecdote about the one exception already conceded
>>541777126Picrel.
a million deathsor one murder
>>541782966>Ukraine loses every real battle.Hello
>>541783198>as I always say, China WILL not let Russia loseasked to justify the modal leap, grand strategist simply repeats the modal verb louder lmaoCNN reported, through an official briefed on a closed meeting, that Wang did not want Russia defeated because Washington could then focus on China. it reported no guarantee, no red line, no promised interventionChina materially enables Russia and may prefer a long stalemate. plausible. that still does not establish "will prevent defeat" or "wants war forever." what happens at your alleged red line? direct weapons? PLA deployment? unlimited bailout? no mechanism, just "as I always say" incantations kek
>>541783198>China wants this war to go on forevermore importantly: that stated motive implies Beijing may prefer the war to continue tying down America rather than Russia actually concluding it victoriouslyyour alleged guarantor's optimal outcome may be Russia bleeding indefinitely. your slow-moving bulldozer has a fuel supplier who wants it to stay slow foreverthe grand strategist's framework in one thread:post 1: Russia has a coherent strategy to winpost 7: Russia's main external backer actively doesn't want it to winthese are not compatible lmaooooo>22-25 millionyour own jpeg says residents on territory controlled by the Ukrainian government. it excludes ~5.6m refugees abroad and millions under occupation. other demographers estimate 28-29m because there is no wartime censusyes, Ukraine's demographic situation is catastrophic. migration is the largest immediate driver, alongside occupation, low births and war deaths. nobody disputed that. it still is not a casualty count, does not draft women, and does not prove every Ukrainian operation is PRanother true but unrelated jpeg triumphantly defeats an argument nobody made lmao>I got suspended from twitter twicewithout the enforcement notices or account logs, nobody knows. being restored twice on appeal is at least as compatible with automated false positives as with forbidden-truth persecutionan unexplained suspension proves an unexplained suspension. remarkably, it is also not a citation kek
>>541784038Jfc. They are unbelievable.
>Russian Foreign Ministry: Moscow's response to any potential hostile moves in the Baltic region will be devastatingLol, they started building the casus belli now. Surely they won't invade r-right?
>>541784059You are massively underemployed good sir.
Europe and China should split the so-called Russia in two, cold war style. Siberian state for them, West Eurasian EU protectorate for us. About the only good thing that can happen to pidors at this point.
>>541784094Perhaps. But I'm employed nonetheless.
>>541784086If they go into Estonia then they are at war with the UK. Even if NATO doesn't step up. There's no way our lads there would be stood down.
>>541784075Yeah. They want to dominate, but they do it in a pathetic way.
>>541784178I think a ground attack on baltics would be done simultaneously with a missile barrage across NATO, including the UK. Putler is well aware of the AD shortage in NATO, and he believes the right time has arrived with US stuck in Middle East to finally start WW3.
>>541777874You dont need Muscovia to extract oil from the siberian fields. Changs can do it themselves. All attempts to preserve monkeperium will be purely ideological by nature. Old fossilized brains, who should have retired a decade+ ago, and that have been conditioned their whole life that the planet will literally explode if the Muscovite empire stops existing
>>541784278Russia doesn't have ammunition to strike all of Europe. They have barely enough missiles they stockpile to strike Ukraine.
>>541783485>>541783508I'm not here to provide clear and objective evidence because it doesn't exist.. As I said, I'm a grand strategist. And what that really means is that I'm a "structuralist". Or as Hegel said, "The real is rational".If you know the structure of a system you can predict its output. Russia has the advantage on nearly all fronts, and only commits to battles where it has the clear advantage.>KyivRussia pulled back with almost no fighting for multiple reasons. Part politics. Part logistics.>KharkivRussia pulled back practically without a fight to defensible lines.>KhersonRussia pulled back for logistical reasons almost without a fight(after crushing the short-lived "feint" that had diverted much of the Russian Army from the north).>Snake IslandAgain logistics.>OleksandrivkaI have no idea what this even is. But I can safely say it wasn't a major battle and Russia most likely pulled back to more defensible lines after overextending.>LymanI have no idea what's going on here. But the Lyman direction is not something Russia has committed significant resources(yet). They seem to be much more interested in coming up from the south. But staying in range to harass Sloviansk/Kramatorsk from the north. I'm guessing it has something to do with the terrain.>>541784020>the primary source has completed its metamorphosis into oral folkloreIt's not that important to me. We already agree that Ukraine is dependent on foreign aid and thus has an incentive to misrepresent what's happening in the war to keep the money coming in. That's all I was trying to say.>>541784059It's not about what CNN says, or even what China said to whomever. China declared a "friendship without limits" at the Olympics a few weeks before the war started. It is is China's interests for Russia not to lose. But it is not in China's interests for Russia to win either. If you weren't an obnoxious autistic blindly pro-Ukraine cunt you could figure it out.
>>541784278>he believes the right time has arrived with Russia stuck at abandoned towns in eastern Ukraine for years.
>>541784337savory cope from a communist dogfucker degenerate mmmmmm
>>541784337>Russia has retreated due to the same systemic issues but that shows how russia has an advantage.Sure finger crossed russia won't multiply the same exact mistakes all over again because their leadership is known for their wisdom.>has an incentive to misrepresent what's happeningHow about, hear me out, not lying to your economic benefactor in a protracted war so you don't cause anger in said partner?I know for russcattle, lying is the normal path of life, and Ukrainians have that same cultural enrichement (see russification).But that would be an obvious idiotic thing to do, which I haven't seen Ukraine do.
Putin got lectured by prime poo:>Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has urged>Russia to end the Ukraine war and for a cessation of>hostilities during his meeting with Russian President>Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Shanghai >Cooperation Organization summit on Monday.>"India supports all peace efforts in this area [Ukraine>war], and we will continue to do so," Modi said,>adding that "we must move from endless war to the>end of war, to the cessation of hostilities.">"Every day that the war continues, humanity takes a>step backwards," Modi said.Imagine being so bad at war that even pajeets say"you know, cheap oil isn't really worth this. Stop it, you are an embarrassment"
>>541784337>As i said im a grand strategistLmaooo
Don't hold back, 'cause you woke up in the morningWith initiative to sign, so why wait my zigger?Don't hold back, if you think about itSo many outta gas, be cool, Z, get paperDon't hold back, and you shouldn't even care'Bout those noses in the air and their hate of Z'sDon't hold back, 'cause mobilization comes in fallSo you might as well sign now and get proper paidDon't hold back, rus (You're holding back)The time has come toRus (You're holding back)The time has come toRus (You're holding back)The time has come toMobilizeCome on, come on, come on with itDon't hold back, if you think about it too muchYou may stumble, trip up, become a fagDon't hold back, we think it's time you get upStill hohli post their meme stuff, the monke faceDon't hold back, put apprehension on the back burnerLet it sit, don't even get it litDon't hold back, get involved with the jamDon't be a prick, hot chick, with a dickRus, the time has come to (Sign the kontrakt)Rus, the time has come to (Sign the kontrakt)Rus, the time has come to (Sign the kontrakt)Rus, my pencil is on the kontraktMy pencil is on the kontraktMy pencil is on the kontrakt (Sign the kontrakt)The time has come toMobilizeCome on, come on, come on with it
>>541784278All their experienced units are tied up in Ukraine. All they could spare for a baltic invasion is freshly drafted meat with barely one week of training. I would welcome their attempt, for in their imperial arrogance they believe there is no resistance from locals as nobody has agency beyond the """sovereign""" Also everything that happens beyond the border is kept a close eye on by intelligence. Nothing will come as a "surprise" to anybody if there is any actual build up. For now all the fresh meat they raise into units gets shipped straight to ukraine Finally there is another factors doomers never think about. If we don't immediately fall we WILL start bombing uga-buga and primorsk. Also harassing and attacking pidor shadow fleets trying to pass through the baltic sea. Ukranians have effectively shut off Novorossysk and if we shut down the baltic it leaves the pacific as the only escape route for their oil Monkey is playing with fire in more ways then one
>>541784073>post 1: Russia has a coherent strategy to win>post 7: Russia's main external backer actively doesn't want it to winAs the great Henry Kissinger once said, "It's a pity both sides can't lose."I guess the question is, what do we mean by win and what do we mean by lose? Stubb says Ukraine wins even if it loses all of the Russian-speaking territories. Would you consider that a victory?And if Russia takes the Russian-speaking territories, would that be a victory for Russia? What is a Russian victory really?Does Europe benefit from this war? What will happen to Europe if Russia takes the Russian-speaking territories and there is a frozen conflict?China is going to make sure Russia doesn't lose because it is in China's interests to keep Russia fighting with the West. It will allow allow Russia to achieve some of its objectives. Enough that Russia can call it a victory, but not enough for Russia to solve its security dilemma.The only question in my mind is what is Europe going to do? Because Europe is fucked unless Russia is defeated.
>>541784484Imagine thinking Putin is sane in 2022+1651 days
>>541782811Cute smok nafo trannie.Meanwhile in Kiev.
kiev has fallen
>>541783360>true sovereignty means partnership with Russia>even Arestovych said Russia only required neutralitylmaoooooooooooooooo"sovereignty" now means Moscow chooses Ukraine's alliances, borders, armed forces and security guarantorsArestovych is not a treaty, grand strategist. read the actual texts:Russia's 2021 NATO draft:Art 4 - force deployments rolled back to the 27 May 1997 baselineArt 6 - no further NATO enlargement, not merely UkraineArt 7 - no NATO military activity in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, the South Caucasus or Central Asiathe companion US draft banned American bases, infrastructure use and bilateral military cooperation throughout the former USSRat Istanbul Moscow additionally demanded deep cuts to Ukraine's army, tanks, missiles and aircraft, plus a Russian veto over guarantors assisting Ukraine after another attack"only neutrality" somehow became a continental sphere of influence, Ukrainian disarmament and the attacker holding veto over the victim's security guaranteevery sovereignmuch partnershiplmaooooooooo>they had demanded neutrality since 1991citation: another thing remembered in a dreamin 1997 Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act recognizing every state's right to choose how to ensure its security, rejecting spheres of influence and explicitly denying Russia a vetoin May 2002 Putin said Ukraine was entitled to decide about NATO itself and that membership would not "cloud" Russian-Ukrainian relationsUkraine then ACTUALLY pursued non-alignment from 2010 to 2014Russia answered by annexing Crimea and starting the Donbas war. Ukraine abandoned non-alignment in responseyour theory was A/B tested in real life kekneutral Ukraine: invadedUkraine seeks allies after being invaded: "see, the alliance caused the invasion"absolute grand strategy lmao
>>541784545>How about, hear me out, not lying to your economic benefactor in a protracted war so you don't cause anger in said partner?Zelensky says only 50k Ukrainians have died to Russia's 700k. Do you believe him? Or is he a lying fucking kike?
>>541784773I recognize that toll booth anywhere.
>>541784298>subtitles by gordonthanks
>>541783360>if Ukraine is going to start a warRussian ex-FSB officer Girkin on his armed detachment crossing the border and seizing Sloviansk: "I'm the one who pulled the trigger of war"the ECHR found Russia exercised effective control over separatist-held territory from May 2014 through its military presence and decisive military, political and economic supportRussia occupies Crimea. Russian armed unit crosses border and seizes Ukrainian towns. Ukraine attempts to restore control inside Ukraine. "Ukraine started the war"your definition of sovereignty is apparently "obey the invader before he has to shoot" lmaooooooooo>why didn't they demand all of Ukraine then?why didn't the robber take the bathroom too? checkmate, robbery disproven kekPutin's 2024 terms demanded the ENTIRE administrative territory of four oblasts including cities and land Russia had never captured, plus permanent abandonment of NATO and "demilitarization." annexing fewer than 100% of a country does not make territorial seizure "partnership">posts 2003 language mapLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RESPONSIBLE STATECRAFT 2: LINGUISTIC BOOGALOOread your own caption: "principal language usage." not ethnicity. not nationality. not political allegiance. not consent to annexationactual political evidence:1991 independence referendum:Donetsk - 83.90% for independent UkraineLuhansk - 83.86%KIIS April 2014, after Crimea:join Russia - 28% Donetsk, 30% Luhansk, 4-6% Kherson/Zaporizhzhiaa majority opposed joining Russia in every oblast surveyedyour own map paints Kharkiv dark blue. Kharkiv fought off the Russian assault and launched the counteroffensive that liberated 12,000km2. NBC News, March 2022, Russian-speaking Kharkiv resident: "I'm a Russian speaker, and I can't see any discrimination against me in Ukraine"Russian-speaking does not mean Russian, and neither means "please annex my house" lmao
>>541784773Damn. They'll be gone in 2 more weeks
>>541783360>I mostly post pics and articles as an "appeal to authority"LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>find jpeg>do not read source>attach "authority">announce pre-existing belief>when source contradicts belief, explain argument never depended on itthat isn't an appeal to authority. it's an appeal to thumbnail lmaoso the finished sovereignty model is:Ukraine chooses non-alignment = Russia may invadeUkraine seeks alliance after invasion = alliance caused invasionRussian-speaking Ukrainians choose Ukraine = map overrules themRussia dictates borders, military and alliances = partnershipUkraine resists armed seizure = Ukraine started the waryou have not described sovereignty. you have described obedience to Moscow and taped the word "sovereign" over itt. Russian-speaking Eastern Ukrainian who can read a map legend
>>541783736Soon
>>541784773I tip my Fedorov to you, Z-xistah.
need more webums nothing is happening!
>>541784927Why not just split like czechoslovakia or serbia and everyone goes their separate way?
you lost
>>541784877even after this is pointed out, ziggers still reply to the image in earnestactual inhumans
>>541784838>"only neutrality" somehow became a continental sphere of influence,Listen nigger. I said Russia's goal is the neutralization of Europe. Demanding NATO leave Eastern Europe after it promised "not one inch to the east" doesn't mean a Russian takeover. It means taking NATO's boot off Russia's neck. Which is literally NATO's stated strategy for "overextending" Russia.https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.htmlI'm done arguing because you're a stupid nigger who just spams me with utter stupidity to win some kind of argument by twisting my fucking words when you know I'm right.
board stealers thwarting ctatyc? decomfyfication ctatyc?
>>541777784>"russian children must die for bandera"Killing children and CP is like religion for nafo trannies
>>541784927>Ukrainian separatists don't exist. They're just Russians pretending to be Ukrainians.kys retardhttps://youtu.be/LKAt56zW0-g?t=744https://youtu.be/egAw27oqY3Y?t=1514
>>541784739>I guess the question is, what do we mean by win and what do we mean by lose?Please check all of those checkboxes to see the answer on russian end:>Denazification>Demilitarization>No EU extension>No NATO close>Regime change>Kherson, Dnipro, Luganda, Dombili regions.For Ukraine its>Getting 1991 border backSo yeah both side lost no matter how you see it.Russian speaking region with empty mined fields for 200years is... a strange opinion on winning.>Does Europe benefit from this war?No, completely assfucked besides poland that got 1M ukrainians in their newly built factory (with german money lol) and which is now in position of power because our security in the east runs through poland now.>The only question in my mind is what is Europe going to do?Nothing, Apathy is the name of the game.>>541784863Who cares about what that comedian says. We have our information elsewhere, Ukrainians take hold of their human loss (as they actually care for their own people)And it's closer to 100K death related to military and probably 100K-300K for civillians if we include all the genocidish things that has been done in mariupol and all the kids abucted.Also yeah I believe that ukrainian have 1 / 7 ratio, commies hate to see all the gore this war has to offer, but if you did like the psychopathical freaks we are here, you'd believe that ratio too.
>>541785172Nice filet
>>541784838There's no point arguing in good faith with ziggerniggerfaggots. They are beyond saving, thus TZD.
>>541785137based hoholina
>>541785137
Gulaghomo lost lmaooo
>>541784732They have a large group they've been accumulating in Leningrad region. About 100k iirc. It's equipped and trained.
>>541785303>rainbow flaglike clockwork
>>541785172>Also yeah I believe that ukrainian have 1 / 7 ratioRofl. You seemed almost reasonable until this.>commies hate to see all the gore this war has to offer, but if you did like the psychopathical freaks we are here, you'd believe that ratio too.I know you're a retarded nigger who can't do math but you can't be stupid enough to believe you've seen 700k gore videos(actually more than that since many/most didn't die). What do you think the average number of new videos per day is? 10? 20? Tell me nigger so I can laugh at how fucking stupid you are.
>>541777126So, what was it, in why is /pol/ woke now and deletes stuff?
>>541784773That's a metro train. Can't get out of Kyiv on that.
>when they call you shumadian pig
With so many dead Russians it feels like the world is healing. Imagine if these ruskies lived a full life. The damage they would have inflicted on the normal world. Shitty tourists, scammers, thieves, muggers, bad workers, scammy company owners etc. that normal people would have had to encounter in their lives. Now all of them are dead and rotting in Ukraine. And more will die. And the world becomes a better place.TZD
>>541784732>we WILL start bombing uga-buga and primorsk. Also harassing and attacking pidor shadow fleets trying to pass through the baltic sea.Theres no need to bomb. We will literally fill the narrowest part of Gulf of Finland with mines, it takes about 2-3 hours and Russia is blocked from Baltic sea. Their ports become obsolete at the same moment.
>>541785336Yes? Gulaghomo is incredibly gay
>>541785392see >>541782416b& for "pornography" kekmao
Gulaghomo lost Lyman lol
>>541785306that's 150k less troops than those used to invade ukraine at the start of the war, also a barely functional airforce and no armored units.would be very retarded but that is par for the course for the ziggers.
I propagate anti-Russian sentiment and memes as a hobby
>>541784337>I'm not here to provide clear and objective evidence because it doesn't exist>I have no idea what this even is>I have no idea what's going on here>but I can safely saythere it is. the entire methodology, gift-wrapped by its author lmaoa structural model earns its keep by making ex ante predictions that can fail. yours encounters an unknown case, imports the preferred conclusion, then announces that conclusion is "safe"that's not structuralism. >Russia only commits where it has the clear advantage>Russia most likely pulled back after overextendingsame post btw. overextension means it committed beyond its sustainable advantage. logistics are part of the structure, professor kek>Kyiv - almost no fightingRussia spent five weeks attempting to take the capital. fighting around Bucha, Irpin, Brovary and Moshchun lasted roughly three weeks before withdrawal. PBS: "signs of fierce fighting were everywhere — destroyed armored vehicles from both armies lay in streets and fields." "almost no fighting" is simply false>Kharkiv - practically without a fightReuters examined thousands of abandoned Russian documents from the Balakliia headquarters. they describe depleted formations at 71% strength, ammunition shortages, broken EW equipment, repeated HIMARS strikes on command posts, bodies pulled from destroyed headquarters, soldiers discarding weapons, a traffic jam of abandoned vehicles. "practically without a fight" is a rout translated into Russian MoD English lmao
>>541785502It's their reserve I guess so would be stupid to commit it to expansion. But like you say, it's Russia.
>25 million ukrainians are leaving kiev by metro and through the ukraine-china border! the ass is in the ass and soon everything will be known. Z!
>>541784337>Kherson - logistical reasons, almost without a fightyes. logistics. Ukraine attacked crossings and supply lines until Russia could no longer sustain those positions. Surovikin publicly told Shoigu the defense of the right bank was "without any perspective" and keeping the grouping there was "futile"that is the mechanism of the defeat. it is not an argument that no defeat occurred"he was checkmated for mobility reasons" - very profound kekand if the Kherson operation diverted "much of the Russian Army" as you claim, then the diversion worked. Russia subsequently abandoned Kherson anyway. what exactly got "crushed" besides the adjective?>Oleksandrivka - I have no idea what this even is. But I can safely say it wasn't a major battle745km2. eight months. 26 villages. ~9,550 Russian KIA, 6,600 WIA (UA General Staff). ISW independently maps ~626.7km2. briefed to Zelensky by the Commander-in-Chief. "I have no idea what this is but I can safely say" is the grand strategist method at maximum purity lmaooooo>Lyman - I have no idea what's going on hereTHIS IS THE TOPIC YOU ENTERED THE CONVERSATION ABOUT. a British anon was posting Lyman updates. you responded with your grand theory. nine posts later you confirm you have no idea what's happening at Lyman kek>the real is rationalHegel's actual wording is "what is rational is actual and what is actual is rational." Wirklich means the actualized or realized, not whatever merely happens to exist empirically. you quoted half a sentence and translated it into "whatever Russia did was rational because Russia did it." from Hegel to headcanon in one paragraph kek
>>541785450>that one webm of dedovshina as a backdrop for the US vpnpidor jak pidors really appreciate that one it seemsDoesn't ring a bell
>>541784337>the Zelensky quotation isn't important. we agree Ukraine has an incentivethe quotation became unimportant because it evaporated lmao"Zelensky himself said it" --- "it was years ago" --- "I didn't save it" --- "I don't remember it verbatim" --- "he basically said" -- "it's not that important"you alleged a specific quotation. when asked for it, you produced a vague memory. now you've replaced it with: aid-dependent states have incentives to advocate for continued aid. stunning discovery. Congress of Vienna tier statecraft kekmotive is not evidence of the act. Russia has an incentive to understate its losses - that doesn't automatically make every Russian casualty statement false either>China declared "friendship without limits"it did not create a formal military alliance or an automatic intervention guarantee. Beijing itself repeatedly describes the relationship as "non-alliance, non-confrontation, and not targeting any third party." China has not recognized Crimea or the four later annexationsyour own BRI jpeg draws routes around Russia in both colours lmaoeven accepting the CNN report verbatim: "Beijing does not want Russia defeated because Washington could then focus on China" establishes a preference, not a guarantee. no red line identified. no intervention mechanism specified. no price China is committed to paying. preference is not inevitability kek
>>541785633for reference
>>541784337>if you weren't an obnoxious autistic blindly pro-Ukraine cunt you could figure it outLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOfive minutes ago: "Hegel. structuralism. the real is rational. I predict systemic outputs"one request to distinguish a preference from a guarantee later: "REEEEEE AUTISTIC CUNT"the grand strategist could contemplate the rational structure of history right up until someone asked him to define one word. then the entire Hegelian apparatus blue-screened into playground squealingnot an intellectual breakdown btw. his frontal lobe merely conducted an orderly withdrawal to more defensible lines for logistical reasonsvery bendmuch don't breakLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt. Eastern Ukrainian
no matter how much they kvetch and censor, nobody will ever take gulagshills at face value on this board again
>yuo see, ivan>if you offer kalash to drone>drone will spare yuo>trust me
>>541785591Sadly, I do expect we will see quite a lot leave if things carry on the way they are going. It won't help Russia win but Kyiv must be intolerable with the constant drone spam and if they manage to turn off the power again....
>>541782650>why so many men get arrested in the streets of Ukrainian citiesWell, there are plenty of russian spies and agents in Ukraine. Do you even know why Ukraine has curfew every night?
>>541785756>KyivIt's Kiev
>>541785789Kyiv. She's not a tranny.
>>541785663Ah, that one, thanks. Saw that countless times as title image for /uhg/, tho..
>It's Kiev
>>541785085uh oh getting a little uppity there, commie dogfucker
>>541785789>It's KievGet some new material.
>>541785848I became a high priority target for report spamming /chug/gers alongside goreleaf, as well as the ancom flag news anon who unfortunately gave up because of itjannies more or less have to indulge them, if they stir the zigger hive here, /k/ and others become unusable/pol/ does not deserve to be pidor containment but alas it is
>>541785728anon, do not misconstrude what i'm going to say as a fondness for ziggers, but what's recorded here classifies as a war crime under geneva sugestion
>>541785085>I said Russia's goal is the neutralization of Europeyes. we noticed. that's why "Russia only required Ukrainian neutrality" was falsea sphere of influence does not require Russian tanks in Lisbon. it means a great power claims privileged authority to determine other states' foreign and security policiesRussia's December 2021 draft demanded no further NATO enlargement for ANY state, no NATO military activity across Eastern Europe/South Caucasus/Central Asia, and force rollbacks to the 1997 baseline. Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania were not being offered "neutrality." Moscow was demanding a veto over what they could host and which alliances could operate on their territorynot annexation. not necessarily direct occupation. a sphere of influence. this really isn't difficult lmaothe especially beautiful part: Russia signed the 1999 OSCE Charter for European Security (Istanbul). Article 8 says every participating state has the inherent right to choose or change its security arrangements including treaties of alliance. it then says no state or organization "can consider any part of the OSCE area as its sphere of influence"Russia signed that. Russia agreed to it. the grand structuralist's analysis apparently does not extend to documents Russia itself signed kek>"not one inch east"Baker did use that phrase during the 1990 German reunification negotiations. there were informal Western assurances, and the archival record supports the argument that Soviet leaders were led to expect NATO would not exploit their retreat. no need to pretend otherwisewhat did not exist was a signed perpetual agreement granting Moscow ownership of every future foreign-policy decision by Poland, the Baltics, or countries still inside the USSR at the time. the binding Two Plus Four Treaty codified restrictions concerning East Germany. it did not prohibit later enlargement
>>541786114that only applies to humans though
>>541785392>why is /pol/ woke nowZigger troons in janny squad and their shitskin leader rape ape hate fun
>>541786114>genevaWhy post a bunch of shit neither party in this war has signed?
>>541785085"the West handled enlargement badly and damaged trust" is a defensible historical argument. "therefore Russia possesses an eternal inherited veto over sovereign states that were not parties to the discussion" is not. especially after Russia subsequently affirmed their right to choose alliances in the OSCE kek>which is literally NATO's stated strategy for overextending Russia>posts RANDLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAND Corporation is not NATO. RB-10014 is a 2019 options study sponsored by the US Army. a commissioned options paper is not an adopted NATO strategyRAND's own editor's note on the page you linked: "because Russian entities and individuals sympathetic to Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to invade Ukraine have mischaracterized this research, we also encourage you to explore this helpful resource on Russia's 'firehose of falsehood' approach to propaganda"RAND put a disclaimer specifically because people like you keep misrepresenting it. you linked the disclaimer along with the misrepresentation. the source is arguing with you in real time LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOand the conclusion in your own screenshot says most measures are escalatory, Russia would counter-escalate, each option requires careful calibration, and extending Russia for its own sake is not a sufficient basis for policyyou posted the debunking paragraph inside your proof. again. this is becoming a recognizable medical condition kekthe report was published in 2019. its Ukraine section discusses increasing the cost of Russia's already existing commitment after Russia had seized Crimea and started the Donbas war. it is not evidence that NATO expansion was secretly designed decades earlier to execute a 2019 RAND paper through time travel lmao
>>541785392Jannies delete and ban when they hit a large enough report threshold.
>>541785546>that's not structuralism.It is, retard. I just don't know all the parameters for 1000 km of frontline when I don't have access to data from the fucking Russian Ministry of Defense to know troop concentrations(or anything else). I only know the overall strength of the Russian vs Ukrainian Army and their strategies. Ukrainian strategy has generally been to make quick attacks at weak points on the Russian line. Forcing Russia to pull back to defensible lines and/or bring in reinforcements. Russia does a lot of probing with infiltration groups trying to take control of strategic positions before bringing in artillery and other heavy equipment. Then Russia essentially sieges these places. And since Ukraine is obliged to defend them, Russia doesn't go for a full encirclement. They want Ukraine to keep feeding troops in where they are easily killed. That isn't even really a Russian strategy. It goes back to like Sun Tzu.The point is, when there is an actual battle between Russia and Ukraine where both are committed. Russia ALWAYS wins.As I said, the difference in strategy is that Russia isn't obliged to hold territory. Russia can simply pull back from Kherson and Kharkiv the moment they lose the advantage. Ukraine can't.>Russia spent five weeks attempting to take the capital.Russia spent five weeks trying to encircle the capital at a distance to pressure Zelensky into peace talks. Zelensky agreed to peace talks and Russia pulled back.>>541785597>Hegel's actual wording is "what is rational is actual and what is actual is rational." Wirklich means the actualized or realized, not whatever merely happens to exist empirically. you quoted half a sentence and translated it into "whatever Russia did was rational because Russia did it." from Hegel to headcanon in one paragraph kekHegel is essentially making a "Deterministic" argument. That if we know the inputs, then we can predict the outputs. The world is rational. Everything happens for a reason.
>>541785085>I'm done arguingyou said this in March too. same RAND report. same meltdown. same "stop replying to me"you entered this reply to deny that Russia seeks a continental sphere of influence - then stated that Russia's objective is to neutralize Europe and force NATO out of Eastern Europeyou entered it to prove NATO officially seeks to overextend Russia - then posted a RAND options paper that expressly warns against extending Russia for its own sakenot a ragequit btw. the grand strategist is simply bending but not breaking away from the argument. fight only where it makes sense kekthe full arc:post 1: "I don't follow events"post 2: "I'm a grand strategist"post 3: "watch Verdun" (where the strategy failed)post 4: "I barely read the article" + New Khazaria (located in Russia)post 5: "I have no evidence and it doesn't exist"post 6: "I have no idea what Oleksandrivka is but I can safely say"post 7: Hegel -- playground squealing in one paragraphpost 8: same RAND report from six months ago + "I'm done"nine posts. zero evidence provided. zero counterarguments addressed. two Hegelian breakdowns. one conspiracy theory he couldn't locate on a map. one source with a disclaimer warning against exactly his use of it. two admissions of not reading his own articles. and a Verdun citation that proved the opposite of his thesist. Eastern Ukrainian who will still be here next timeLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
baker needed btwI'm likely about to get b& twice for good measure
Perkerdane gone and Redrocketz rotated in. Monthly shifts?
>>541786114>clearly expressesI don't see any white cloth or raised hands
>>541786192wrong. ukraine is a sygnatory of the geneva convention
>>541786279>Redrocketzlol
>>541786229>38 posts by this ID
>>541786288that's a solid point. still i think that even if monke is ousted and let's assume russia elects liberal goverment, i guess they will still cry about "muh warcrimerinos commited by those ebil xoxols"
>>541786114he was a gud boi who just happened to have a magazine on his weapon, he didn't really want to use it! t. karol wojtyla
>>541786422you know that after the war rusnigger foids will be crying to ICJ about "muh vanya's death was a heckin warcrime"?
baker?
>>541786477Weapon on the floor, arms in the air. If you want to surrender you damn well make a better show of it than that. No case to answer.
>>541785392Puntative homosex
>>541786516Probably banned for posting Russian homosex in the OP
>>541786297this isn't a war though, it is a special military operation
>>541786547Based Russian traditions
>>541785651>you alleged a specific quotation. when asked for it, you produced a vague memory.I said "I can remember Zelensky" saying it. If you don't believe me I don't care. It was just intended to be supporting evidence to something else that you agreed with.>>541785682>the grand strategist could contemplate the rational structure of history right up until someone asked him to define one word. then the entire Hegelian apparatus blue-screened into playground squealingI don't know wtf you're talking about. The point is, instead of listening to me and having a conversation, you're trying to "win". Which is a common behavior among autists.They never read what you say. They just scan your text until they think they find something they don't like then spam you with nonsense.>>541786125>a sphere of influence does not require Russian tanks in Lisbon.I'm fine with this definition. It matches my own view that the world consists only of empires, vassals, tributaries, and barbarians. I would go even further. Russia's goal is to become to Europe what America is now.>>541786229>you said this in March too. same RAND report. same meltdown. same "stop replying to me"You know you're incredibly obnoxious, right? I'm sure someone else has told you that in your life. Probably everyone.
>>541786601isn't monke calling it a war now too?
>>541786631it's an orcas eating bears world, out there
>>541786516(You)
Fine I'll bake
>>541786227>when there is an actual battle where both are committed, Russia ALWAYS winsdefine "actual battle." define "committed." define either one BEFORE learning who wonbecause your present definition is:Russia wins = actual battle, both committedRussia loses = feint / logistics / not committed / pulled backyou haven't discovered a law of war. you've constructed a filter that deletes every counterexampleRUSI reconstructed the original plan from captured Russian documents: invade in ten days, seize Kyiv, occupy the country, annex by August. Russia assigned ~50,000 troops, VDV airborne, Hostomel air assault, advances on both sides of the Dnipro, five weeks of fighting50,000 troops and the national capital apparently don't constitute an "actual battle" because Russia lost it"Russia ALWAYS wins actual battles" means "every battle Russia loses wasn't actual." Brazil has also won every World Cup if we classify the others as friendlies kek>Russia can simply pull back from Kherson and Kharkiv the moment they lose the advantageyou placed the exception immediately after the absolute lmao"Russia ALWAYS wins. except when it loses the advantage and retreats"if Ukrainian action causes Russia to lose its operational advantage and abandon its objective, that is a Ukrainian operational success. the retreat may be the correct decision. a competent retreat is not retroactively a victoryand "logistics" is not a cheat code that removes an event from military history. logistics IS war. if your supply position becomes untenable because the enemy interdicts your crossings, the enemy has defeated your position kekalso: Russia supposedly isn't "obligated" to hold Kherson?Putin annexed Kherson on September 30, declared its residents Russian citizens "forever," and promised to defend Russia's newly claimed land with every available meanssix weeks later Russia abandoned the regional capitalextremely relaxed interpretation of "forever" lmaooooooo
>>541786227>Russia encircled Kyiv to pressure Zelensky into peace talks. Zelensky agreed to talks and Russia pulled backchronology has left the chatZelensky agreed to negotiations on February 27. first round occurred February 28. further rounds continued throughout MarchRussia did not then withdraw. it continued attacking for another monthUkrainian counterattacks at Moshchun began March 19. Irpin was recaptured March 28. Russia announced its "reduction" March 29. withdrawal completed early Aprilyour CNN headline begins "Russia says." it proves that Russia SAID its retreat was voluntary. it does not independently prove WHY Russia retreated. the first two words of the headline are doing more epistemological work than your entire Hegel paragraph lmaoif merely agreeing to negotiations accomplished Russia's objective, why did Russia continue attacking for a month after negotiations began? why was there no peace agreement? why did the surviving forces redeploy to another front?>Hegel is making a deterministic argument. if we know the inputs we can predict the outputsagreed: IF we know the inputsyour declared inputs this thread:"I don't really follow day-to-day events""I have no idea what Oleksandrivka is""I have no idea what's going on at Lyman""I'm guessing""credible evidence doesn't exist"and from this information vacuum you derive "Russia ALWAYS wins"this isn't determinism.
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>>541786714>>541786747you typed all that? on phone?
>>541786227>Russia isn't really using a strategy, it goes back to Sun Tzu"fight with advantages and retreat without them" is generic military prudence. it is not a unique Russian grand strategy. both armies attempt it, both sometimes fail, and whether either possesses the supposed advantage is an empirical question - which brings us back to the evidence you announced doesn't exist LMAOOOOOso name one observable result that would count as Russia losing an actual battle. define it in advance. no post-result exemptions for logistics, terrain, commitment, politics, feints or Hegelif no possible result can falsify the claim, it predicts nothingthe argument wasn't defeated btw. it merely pulled back from causality to more defensible semantic lines. for logistical reasonsvery bendmuch don't breakLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>541786619Fake hearsay usually isn't considered "supporting evidence", mr dog raping grand strategist commie retard
>>541785597you're arguing with someone who is paid to write garbage behind a vpn, and who probably uses his hard earned money to eat cow shit
>>541784877>>541784773>About 20 lanes or so at the widest >At least 5 lanes afterKek, yeah.Totally something we see regularly in Europe, especially in Ukraine.
