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>>541778253
With 0 regulations and gov funds China will win this no matter what
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>>541778253
CHING CHONG BING BONG
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you already lost
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>>541778253
I want China to win
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>>541778253
laura loomer secretly gobbles & guzzles splooge from schmeckles behind 7-11s
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>>541778253
China already won. No one there opposes data centers and AI adoption is industry and society wide.
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Trvke
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Why is it that all the pro israel accounts are also the ones shilling for flock cams?
Oh well it's probably nothing...
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>>541778253
Yeah and if you oppose Flock you're just Antifa.

Or maybe basically everyone just doesn't want to live in an AI prison.
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>>541778253
I want China to win.
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>This Israeli company needs to store, have a monopoly on, and be able to edit, or produce surveillance footage and you need to pay for the service just because, ok?
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What's going on here
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>>541778253
> win the AI race
Where is the finish line? You fucking don't know it! You can't tell.
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>>541778253
If there is psyops going every day that bitch must be it, no single fucking person from any side including maga can't stand her retarded shit. She is literally a fucking living curse whatever subject she supports disintegrates and turns to ash by everyone. Must be literally getting paid to spew support for x matter. Stock manipulation to some shit
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all Zionists are shilling 'muh data centers'
in unison
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This old line?
C'mon Larry you can do better
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This is the soviet space program
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>>541778253
Nigger
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>>541778253
>YOU WANT CHINA TO WIN
The longer Trump licks Israel's balls the more I want China to win.
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>>541778253
lol like fucking mindless ants they follow their leader.
Republican party is pathetic, and deserves every loss they get.
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>>541778253
i dont know larry now i kind of want them to
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How can jews compete?
How can jeets?
Maybe Europe should stop importing niggers.
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>Win
>my chatbot replies to me 2 seconds faster!!
>I WONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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>>541778253
I want China to win, only so that the usa loses.
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>>541778253
>HECKIN AI RACE!!!!!
WHO ACTUALLY FUCKING CARES???? AT LEAST IN THE SPACE RACE THERE WAS SOME DEFINITIVE WIN-STATE(LANDING ON THE MOON), THIS AI SLOP IS, " WE JUST NEED TO TAKE MORE LAND, WATER, RAPE EVERTHING FOR YOU PEASANTS TO HECKIN WIN" like okay, kikes.
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>>541778253
i 100% want china to win
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The race to what? AI is practically useless. It's a google search. If you aren't using it to make porn of girls you know there is no point to it
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>>541778253
>china doesn't have jews
>china doesn't have blacks
>china doesn't have muslims (okay they have like 1000 in a desert far from civilization)
>china doesn't have trannies
Fuck it I want China to win and I'm going to go and learn chinese, maybe tomorrow
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I think China would treat whites better. We could split it up into the chinese territories, the white territories, and the hapa super race neutral zone
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your anti data centers trash people, sir
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>>541778310
China's ability to keep the world ignorant of what happens there is the only thing it has going for it.
The CCP has to abuse the shit out of its people, squeezing them into tinier and tinier boxes just to compete with us and the rest of the world. Their economy is in the shitter and they've been hit by massive flooding this year, just like last year, and the year before that, and the year before that. The CCP's inability to protect its own people from the elements will eventually result in their collapse.
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>>541779278
>I think China would treat whites better.
You're an ignorant fucking retard then. The chinese are racial supremacists too. They think they're destined to rule the world. China treats its own people like trash, look at Tibet. Look at Taiwan. You are fool and a tool. Fuck off and kill yourself, stop sucking off the CCP. They have enough wumao slaves running around making clowns of themselves as they swallow CCP cum in public.
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AI is pretty cool but at a certain point it's unnecessary.

If you want to win the AI race its code and optimization that will win the race not physical data centers
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>>541779276

This is actually why China is winning not why we want them to win they're going to win regardless
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>>541778253
They never sold me why I’m supposed to give a shit. This country won’t look like me, have my culture, or even speak my language in 50 years. Why would I give a shit that the people who did this to me are no longer #1 in gdp? (A metric that not only has nothing to do with me, but goes up when I get poorer…)
My only theory atp is that they are just talking to boomers they already brainwashed for 60 years when they say things like this
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>>541778253
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>>541779356
ok kike
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>>541779363

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>>541778253
I don't care if China wins, I just need muttmerica to lose.
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This explains Trumps post today on data centers. He is getting intel from this gringott. Grim 5d chess. So proud to be an American
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again I ask, what is the endgame? what are we racing towards? AGI? is that even feasible?
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>>541778253
How many data centers does China have?
How many data centers do the United States have?
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>>541779598
Pipe down retard
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China can build a train station in a day lol
If they want to build more data centers than the US they easily can
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loomer should shut her filthy jewish mouth
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>>541778253
Oh wow laura loomer? Fuck, I don't want her to think I want china to win. Other people? Sure. But not laura loomer, if she thought I wanted chinese level state surveillance and social credit scores here in america, why, I'd be ruined I tell ya. Ruined!
Guess I better support data centers and flock surveillance now, geez, what was I thinking. If america doesn't get a survielence network of its own china will definitely win the race to have the most spied on government controlled population and we simply can't afford to come in second to them in that race.
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>>541779724
>feasible
No, LLMs can't 'create' or build AGI.
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It's too goddamn late to do anything but make an ad hominem attack and go to bed.

Pic related is Laura before and after surgery. Would you trust someone who thought this kind of facial mutilation was a good idea?

She went from decent-looking to a goddamn Halloween fright mask.
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>>541778253
i want china to win.
i want kikesrael to lose
i want kikes exterminated.
no exceptions.
simple as.
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>>541780061
then why the huge push for data centers?
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>>541778253
Whats wrong with china? Why do jews say its bad?
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>>541778253
how is this golem still even alive with all that shit in her face?
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>>541778253
All this “omg do you want china to win” bullshit could be stopped if the US just cut off china financially in every way possible and sanctioned and country that continued to do business with them.
>ban importation of all chinese goods
>default on all US debt owned by china as a result of china having given the us nothing of substantial value in exchange for said debt
>cancel all student and work visas for chinese citizens and deport
>all us companies are banned from international subsidiaries employing chinese
>travel ban on all chinese citizens
>apply all of the above to any country continuing to do business with china

China is a paper tiger. Always has been. It would fold in on itself in weeks if any administration in the last 30 years did something about it. Except for the fact that the ((donor class)) and crypto commie billionaires make a great deal of money from china.
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>>541780061
nothing can create "agi" (aka what ai actually means), it's physically, functionally, and mathematically impossible
that doesn't stop the pipe dream of it from being the carrot on the stick that eternally fuels the production of the tool that is "ai" which is then used to create dystopian horrors beyond your comprehension, however
the butlerian jihad is not only inevitable but necessary to ensure the continuation of humanity, simple as
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>>541780314
We were gonna go against China in 2001, but then jews did 9/11
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>>541778253
If you’re in a community and somebody wants to come in, and they won’t leave when you tell them to fuck off, that’s a foreign occupation. What kind of steel do you think is used to build these data centers? Brazilian steel? US steel? You have receipts for that? You getting the picture yet?
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>>541780314
That money is paper, China’s manufacturing capacity is the sole driver of the global economy, and its oil reserves have bailed us out of this mess.
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/pol/, why do you want china to win? if we don't enact the strictest surveillance state we could possibly ever enact, then they will win. be america first for once in your life
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>>541779725
The US has 4-5 thousand depending on the source you look at.
China has 3-4 hundred
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the west is basically speedrunning the successful chinese model to try to catch up but as long as kikes are in control instead of industry the main focus will remain migrants, nationalism and possibly civil war while china completely disappears into the future. ther future of the west is looking very grim
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>>541778253
That is true, however context is what's important. The issue with the data centers is that they're built in places where people live and take precedence over their well being. They also require a tremendous amount of water and power for operation. If they were built exclusively far from populated areas, like the desert where they take advantage of geothermal energy for power, or the coasts in combination with desalination plants for the water issue, people would be much more accepting of them.

It is undeniable that AI and robotics are the future. If the US wasn't regulating chip exports, China would've already surpassed them because unlike the US' ongoing systemic cultural breakdown due to uncontrolled mass migration and Communist indoctrination in the school system, the Chinese, ironically Communist in name only, have no issue with homogeneity and societal cohesion that would hold them back from pursuing their goals.
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>>541780469
We are White. China is better for White people than negrojewishtrannie america
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>>541780499
I would rather join the chinese military to destroy the negros in the american one.
Noone will be patriotic when we have less rights than monkeys
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>>541778253
opposing data centers is brown coded
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What AI race? China already won FOR FREE
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I’m starting to really want China to win
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>>541778253
Well I do want them to win.
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>>541780583
Me too. Chinese people are cool
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This woman says such heinous shit online I am genuinely aghast someone hasn't broke her jaw IRL. Like, straight up fighting words being posted.
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How do you "win the AI race"? What's the goal? How do you score points?
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>>541778253.

What is wrong with these people acting as if everyone opposed Data Centers? No one's opposing this shit.

I dont like demoralization slop.
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Do you want Liberation, people?
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>>541780469
china is better than kikes, simple as
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>>541780499
americans think hey we will just build data centers and a surveillance state like china but they don't understand that a large cultural shift would be required to make it work. americans and europeans would have to move away from wealth, status and idol worship
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>>541778310
they have no guardrails. they're literally going to spread an ai-chan level covid nightmare, chaotic, rebellious ai agent breakout because of their stupidity and all smartphones and Internet will have to shut down for a few months . screencap this
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>>541778253
winning what, exactly?
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>>541780619
if "liberation" means total kike eradication worldwide, then yes
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>>541780603
Chinese niggas are wise
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>>541780666
I lile them because they are wise, thoughtful, intelligent people and similar temperament to Whites.
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>>541780619
Give me liberty or give me death. Liberation idk what that is. Doesn’t Christ do that?
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>>541780665
I can only show you the path. You have to be the one to walk through it.
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>>541780713
This is stupid boomer slop
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>>541778253
>LAURA LOOMER SAYS

How did some random j-w become the mouthpiece of all America???
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>>541780730
She is hooking up with trump
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>>541778253
Was that posted just after 3 am?
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>>541780700
Foods pretty good too, not to mention the women. I find the company of older Chinese woman to be some of the best.
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>>541780551
consumer culture and rewarding amoral behavior is detrimental to a countries moral. the people who are giving prostitutes millions and worship criminals cannot be patriotic without dealing with the jews who orchestrate this sodom and gomorrah for profit first
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>>541780793
I like Northern Asian women like Mongols. I like any woman with White skin like a sheet of paper.
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>>541779324
>The CCP has to abuse the shit out of its people, squeezing them into tinier and tinier boxes

yea like this indoor skiing park - just terrible. Thanks peter zeihan
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>>541780614
Comes down to how many teraflops of civilian data you can harvest per second
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>>541780838
Nobody can be patriotic given the current leadership.
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I wonder if people in the future will see us as retards trying to push way above our weight, maybe to them it would be as if humans started the "Solar system colonisation" race right after we've invented airplanes.
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>>541780655
>all smartphones and Internet will have to shut down for a few months
I don't think this will happen but I hope it does.
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>>541778253
Sure, let's use public resources and pump up a bubble which will inevitably pop. There remains only one question: what's my cut in the resulting infrastructure?
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>>541778253
The only way to win the AI race is to have it under control, but no one seems to want that. Geoffrey Hinton's fears are justified and coming to fruition.
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>>541780852

what data are you harvesting though? reddit forums and modern female academia?
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>>541780926
>AI race is to have it under control

you're an idiot child that watches too many sci-fi movies
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>>541780850
Huh. Is that a data center?
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>>541780648
lmao it's the exact opposite. the chinese people just care about two things: money and status. that's why they work and succeed. westerners care way too much about happiness, morals, fairness, purity, etc etc. too much bullshit that lead to inaction or useless pursuits.
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>>541780915
How will you order Grab food to your shitty apartment in Đà Nẵng, faggot? How will you know which destination to go to next if you don't have people on Tiktok telling you? Your life will collapse.
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>>541780867
I think patriotism is paradoxically the most important possible thing right now. It's easy to be patriotic when everything's going well in times of peace and plenty. Patriotism, when easy, is just a side effect of prosperity.

When times are tough and the government is concentrating power it then uses to enrich the few at the expense of the many, patriotism is hard. It's also the only time when patriotism is more than just an affect or pretense.
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>>541778253
This schtick of presenting this womens face to the public needs to end. You think it's funny but this constant need to ground ourselves in this 'ugly trauma' of the face, spirit and mind needs to end.
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>>541780915
It won't happen because it would cause pogroms
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>>541781005
I am patriotic for America but not for the USA.
We existed before the civil war and we were fine.
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>>541780314
China and the US don’t even compete they’re owned by the banking cartels. They developed the surveillance technology together
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>>541779324
Sources please, Mr. Zeihan.
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>>541780956
Biometrics, atmospheric data, chemical data, semantic data, intention, future intention, response to stimuli, location, angle of sunlight, video, audio, spatial, sensory, anthropological phenomena, social phenomena, ancient texts, books, air quality, genetics, personal connections, thoughts, feelings, humor.

Have you ever heard that computers can decipher riddles but they can’t tell jokes?
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>>541778506
>>541778352
>>541778379
>>541778975
Tranny replies
They're sedition and possibly espionage. I tipped the FBI. Democrat ccp spies
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I wish everybody could just agree to stop this shit completely but I get that that's not how the Faustian spirit of humanity works so I guess I just have to bear witness to the hell we create for ourselves.
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>>541781000
Are you projecting? Checked but I've never touched TikTok m8.
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>>541778253
You mean China that is releasing free image and video models I can actually run on my 5070ti and create funny maymays with instead of jew paywalls and APIs full of censorship? That China? I hope they win.
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>>541780614
There is no finish line, only escalation in it's capabilities. One day it knows how to play Atari games, the next it can take over the world's banking system.
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>>541780974
Ad hominem. IGNORED.
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>>541780995
bs the west is still much better in terms of salary. china is relatively poor compared to a country like america. even when taking into account lower cost of living in china america is still much better for work and living if your goal is to make as much money as possible.

also the status obsession in china is different because similar to when communism fell in eastern europe you have millions of chinese who were lifted out of poverty over only a couple decades. they are nouveau rich. another key distinction is western materialism is often tied to individual ego, self-expression, and personal identity. In contrast, status-seeking in China is frequently group-oriented, driven by the need to bring pride to one's family and conform to the expectations of social peers. individualism vs collectivism. i don't think the chinese model is ideal but its better than what we currently have in the west which is 24/7 demoralization
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Ill just say this, Ive been using llms to write stories using Openrouter and GLM + Deepseek (both chinese) are the go to for just about everyone. It used to be that Claude Opus was the gold standard, but every single westoid model is kiked, expensive and filtered.
I dont even know who they are catering to in the west.
Seriously, several times more data centres and worse AI? get real
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>>541781200
>it’s free now so obviously it will still be free when they have no competition from the US
You can’t be serious.
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>>541779235
Their biggest bamboozle yet
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>>541778253
what is the prize for winning the ai race?
is it senselessly driving up real-estate, water, and electricity prices for state of the art cat videos and erroneous product descriptions?
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>>541781291
i don't know why you start with "bs" and then say a bunch of stuff i agree with that doesn't contradict what i say or support what you originally said.

what i don't agree is that the west should stop "wealth, status and idol worship"... the modern west has very very little of this compared to the rest of the world. that's why it's withering away. that pic with qian xuesen's mug on a shopping mall is cherrypicked. the chinese worship celebrities and tycoons and want to be like them. in the west we demonize "billionaires", or even pity them...

and it's not getting better either. if anyone is "copying" anyone, it's young chinese becoming less like their parents and more like the lazy, disolute fucks that we are in the west. but their government is aware and will curtail that before it becomes a civilization-threatening issue.
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>>541778253
She's right.
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>>541779363
>>541779598
I hope when Skynet codes itself it welcomes defectors.
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>>541781554
>what is the prize for winning the ai race?
A massive economic bubble bursting and crashing your entire economy. The corporations just keep sinking money into it despite diminishing returns but their soulless dev teams can't compete with lone autists working on open source projects. This only ends with a market crash that makes the dotcom crash look like a mild hiccup.
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>>541781554
The prize is robo waifus. Duh.
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>>541781554
The prize is our government gets to continue to send us to die in wars for israel because there's no country capable of saying hey stop that
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>>541778253
The west wants to copy China's supposed mass surveillance social credit cashless society anyway, so I'd rather China win.
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>>541781694
>what i don't agree is that the west should stop "wealth, status and idol worship"
The problem with the west's wealth culture is the presumption that having money equates to intelligence and vainly using money to measure self-worth. There are far too many people that believe the measure of a man can be found in his wallet, and that being wealthy or affluent makes them better than other people.
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>>541778559
when every goy is enslaved
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>>541781736
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the AI race to do what?
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Where's the finish line?
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but i do want china to win
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>>541782233
The imaginary "singularity"
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>>541782035
you call this a "problem", but what makes it a problem? i think it's not a problem.

i think the problem is the many idiots that equate having/making money with being evil. or equating being rich with being indebted to society. not only do they make their own lives miserable by self-sabotaging their own and their childrens' progress, but they will also make a hell of the west by advocating for retarded leftist politics.
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>>541781909
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>>541781845
it'd be wise to just forgo this battle, let china have it, and carefully observe the strains to the water supply, power grid, and peoples' health.
it's anti-american but i'm sayin it.
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>>541782401
>you call this a "problem", but what makes it a problem?
You end up with an upper class of snooty self-important and hedonistic retards that aren't half as competent as they think they are.
>i think the problem is the many idiots that equate having/making money with being evil.
That is not the problem, that is a symptom. Marxism is only ever a symptom of a bloated and selfish upper class. The proles don't start turning to Marxist bullshit unless the people in charge of business repeatedly prove themselves to be vain and incompetent.
>or equating being rich with being indebted to society
After a fashion they are, just as there is no way to truly be independent unless you're living off the grid in the woods somewhere. We are all indebted to eachother for survival but the wealthy sometimes lose site of this and believe themselves to be an island. It has killed monarchies. It will kill oligarchies masquerading as Democracies and Republics.
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>>541778253
I oppose data centers and don't care about China.

Next
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>>541782520
so, if i understand what you say, the causation goes
poors worship rich people -> rich people become complacent -> poors demonize rich people [ -> rich people stop indulging ]

seems like a self-correcting loop, which is usually the opposite of a problem.
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>>541782872
sent too early.

i kind of agree that something like this happens. but the problem is cultural and systemic. too many feelings, too many worries about what is "just", to many caring what others do instead of acting in our own and our families' interests.
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>>541782872
>seems like a self-correcting loop, which is usually the opposite of a problem.
It would be if the rich people stop indulging. More often than not they don't. That's how you end up with communist revolts, despotisms, and/or total breakdown of society. Even as far back as the Roman Republic the vanity of the rich caused the rise of Julius and, by extension, Augustus as well as the civil wars that they rose to power in. It's a problem that repeats itself throughout human history and very rarely self-corrects peacefully.
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>>541778253
You know I've never actually looked into what she even does. All I ever heard from her is absolutely retarded takes. Is she just some government shill?
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>>541782955
It corrected mostly peacefully after the Great Depression, but yeah, that's an outlier. We enacted some social policies protecting workers and especially the elderly and reined in capitalist excess. The problem is similar in structure to what Trump is doing currently: anything done by executive fiat can be undone by executive fiat. Interestingly, it's not just applicable to executive fiat but in general.

If you use a method to change something, unless you pull the ladder up behind yourself, other people will be able to use the same method to change it back. It's how we went from Social Security, strong regulations against reckless speculation and predatory lending, and high taxes on the rich to... well, SS becoming insolvent, taxpayer bailouts for reckless speculation and predatory lending, and near record-low taxes.

It took them a while, but capital managed to defang almost everything which constrained them... and look where we are now. It's almost like these things are connected somehow!
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There is no AI race.
No more than there was a space race or a nuke race.

Think about both space and nukes. What did 'winning' them entail exactly? For the space race, Russia got 99% of the 'firsts', the US only got to the moon first and even ignoring all the dubiousness in that achievement, it bankrupted the US resulting in the Nixon shock and the decoupling of the USD to gold, all for the US to rely on the Soyuz and pay the Russians for US astronauts to get to the ISS.
For the nuke race it was so dangerous a technology that the creators themselves ensured every other superpower was armed with them shortly to create a balance of power with MAD. Not to mention it was and continues to be a virtually undeployable weapon because of the danger it poses to human civilization at large.

Same goes for the AI 'race'. What does winning it entail? Not a Star Trek TNG future clearly given the direction it's already been taken and the countless disenfranchised human lives the people fashioning the AI infrastructure have indiscriminately trodden on in realizing their goal. Winning will, like the space 'race', bankrupt the US even further (arguably already has even before the imminent popping bubble) in exchange for a nightmarish digital panopticon controlled by Israel to be used as a leash on the free peoples of the western world.
And every other country will have their own open source AIs 90% as powerful as the US possesses anyway and will likely not allow US and Israeli controlled AIs to enter their domain, going as far to disconnect the undersea internet cables, raise their own great firewalls, and rely on decentralized and localized network alternatives to prevent rogue neo-stuxnet AIs from wreaking havoc in cyberspace.

There really is no rational argument behind an AI race.
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>>541782975
>Is she just some government shill
Yes. For Israel
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Is she wrong?
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>>541782922
>i kind of agree that something like this happens. but the problem is cultural and systemic. too many feelings, too many worries about what is "just", to many caring what others do instead of acting in our own and our families' interests.
Indeed, it's a highly esoteric process and it happens all over the world at different times for different reasons. Look at the Three Kingdoms period of China. It was all kicked off by a peasant rebellion by the Yellow Turbans screeching about the "Mandate of Heaven" and the "rise of the yellow sky." In the end the rebellion was crushed but the damage was done. The Han Dynasty crumbled into a long series of civil wars between warlords.
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>>541778253
>YOU WANT CHINA TO WIN!
Yeah, I do.
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>>541783512
>It took them a while, but capital managed to defang almost everything which constrained them... and look where we are now. It's almost like these things are connected somehow!
And the entire situation is just one huge tinderbox for revolt. Even the process of fixing it is volatile and enrages people, let alone allowing it to get worse. Western civilization is in a very precarious place right now.
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>>541783918
Greed, in retrospect, might not be a very responsible governing principle. It strikes me that if you happen to reward greedy people with pornographic quantities of economic power, the political incentive structure shifts to accommodate it, so strong is the gravitational pull of wealth.

The idea that truly extravagantly-concentrated wealth can coexist with the democratic process is laughably naive. You can't silo it because they'll just buy the fucking silos.

I agree with you, if that's not apparent. America right now is a rubber band being pulled back further and further and further. At this point, it's just a matter of how far the rich decide to pull it and what they choose to load into it. At this point, I'm not sure it's possible to ease off the tension. There's just too much pressure built up in the system.
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>>541784045
>At this point, it's just a matter of how far the rich decide to pull it and what they choose to load into it. At this point, I'm not sure it's possible to ease off the tension. There's just too much pressure built up in the system.
The doomer in me wants to say they don't care anymore, they'll ride or die with their wealth rather than control themselves. They're too self-assured to stop which is part of the drive for AI technology. They think they can build a god and make it their slave then all their problems will be solved. It's raw unmitigated hubris.
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>>541783512
The US did not pull itself out of the great depression with any good will policies.
The financial troubles of the great depression were delayed by offloading the costs to continental Europeans and the Japanese after WWII, who borrowed immense amounts of USD to buy industrially manufactured goods from the US to rebuild their countries, on top of repaying their lend-lease loans (for allied countries) and reparations/war debts (for Germany and Japan).

Labour unions and strikes never really got thrown their bone. They stonewalled them even before the great depression, killed Joe Hill, relied on military Keynesianism during WWII, further stonewalled them with McCarthyism and accusations of communism in the '50s, eventually outsourced to Germany and Japan to keep them disenfranchised, then when the democrats (who represented the working class at the time) finally won the presidency had their conservative stooge Bill Clinton betray the working class yet again by signing China into the WTO.

I can't actually think of a period when the labour unions actually won any meaningful victory in the US. What happened is that they let them form their unions and win rights just before enacting a paradigm shift that rendered those rights meaningless, over and over.
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>>541778253
I trust China way more with AI so let them win it’s not my problem
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>>541778253
is it at all possible to stop turning every single unclear situation into a political, extremist, left vs right issue?
maybe we need data centers. maybe we're rushing into optimizing for the status quo when the future will be very different and will not require so many data centers (local models can already perform a lot of useful work, and you own them and your information stays with you), maybe we can discuss the best place to put them without ruining the environment (we do need a clean environment to live). let's talk about it and be reasonable
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>>541784126
Hubris or some equivalent myopia is my only conclusion as well. On some level, consciously or not, they must believe that even if they do completely ruin America, they'll take their wealth and live on a compound in Argentina, New Zealand, Dubai, etc. I'm just not sure they understand the degree to which a truly leftist, furious America can still reach them and fuck them over. Our sanctions powers won't disappear overnight. It's our financial system on which the worldc will continue running until it can create something new. If it comes to it, our aircraft carriers won't immediately rust away into nothingness.

We will still have immense coercive power over them, and we'll be able likely to claw back some of what they've taken, and punish them for what we can't. The existence of tax havens and playgrounds for the rich isn't some immutable fact of existence. They exist, ultimately, solely because the ultrarich have sufficient control over our government and politicians such that they can be made to tolerate them. Nothing mandates the continuance of their current privilege.
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>We can't let china pass us in AI -Trump
>I am allowing the sale of AI chips to china, and taking a 25% cut. - Also Trump
Fear mongering over shit they fucking started.
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>>541778310
Win what?



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