Lets say we completely ban immigration as a means to solve the declining birth rates, and instead we accept the slow population collapse. What exactly happens?I asked AI but even it says it had no answers for what the future would look like in 100 years.
Things get to a level where they stabilize, then the population slowly comes back up. Kinda like happened every other time in history. You will also be able to afford a house and traffic will be improve. But you will always have midwits that think people will all just stop breeding and disappear.
>>541784308It means you will have a properly functioning country.
>dude I'm only force feeding you arsenic to cure the terminal illness I diagnosed you with, can't you see I'm trying to help, stop resisting! OP is brown (and a faggot)
>>541784401Nothing like this has ever happened in history, thats why not even AI has an answer, we have no frame of reference. We've never been in a situation where population reproduction has permanently stagnated. We dont know if it will stabilize and we dont know if the population will slightly increase with time, and how our society will deal with it and how our country will either.
>>541784528?I am just curious in the topic.Since we refuse to have children, and if we completely reject immigration, what comes then?
>>541784308Nothing happens. With the distractions and demoralizations finally gone, you will eventually notice the well poisoning Kikes who are responsible for the birth decline in the first place and get rid of them and eventually become a well functioning society. Maybe in the short term some millionaires/billionaires business owners will suffer because they won't be able to get cheap labor.
>>541784308DEPORTTHEMALL
>>541784308Your premise is flawed from the very beginning. Immigration isn't solving problems caused by low birthrates in any way that matters. In fact it makes many of the causes worse, and creates new problems of its own.>>541784600Population drops, GDP decreases, wages increase, housing prices decrease, and births start to rise again.
>>541784600We start fucking again
>>541784308Idk about where you live (sweeden?) But in the jewnited states it would be a net positive. Wages would increase since poos and beans weren't here to work for 5$ an hour and live 8 people to an apartment. Housing would return to pre kiked levels (assuming blackrock, Blackstone and other kike scam conglomerates are banned from buying the now vacant houses)... traffic would improve. Crime rates would drop. Less wasted on Medicare/gibbs fraud.
>>541784308There is no population collapse or declining birth rates. That's bullshit from Capitalist ghouls like Musk who has publicly stated that he sees humanity as a resource. Smaller localised communities were the norm before Capitalist scum took over and turned entire nations into multi racial GDP figures.
no more six flag's great america
>>541784308population collapse is a symptom that can be fixed tomorrow if the State wanted it to be fixed.Like do you think that declining birthrates (which began 20-25 years ago) and immigration are unrelated?
It's all a lie. Get rid of Jews, their bioweapons, and their propaganda, and people will continue on just fine.
>>541784308>accept the slow population collapseStop falling for jewish lies.
>>541784308>Lets say we completely ban immigrationALSO DEPORT THE CURRENT CROWD
>>541784308You can't reject it. Businesses need those people
>>541784551It's not permanent. The situation could be reversed easily. Incredibly easily.1: Interest free marriage loans2: 0% income tax for families that have 4 or more children.3: Limit voting rights to parents.4: Formally apologize and admit that the crisis was socially engineered by previous administrations to justify immigration. 5. Begin categorically seizing foreign controlled capital into a common trust while repatriating the immigrants. Periodically return the amassed capital to the natural citizens over 10 years.That's how you solve the problem. And you may say "that's never going to happen" and you're right, but NOT because it's too difficult (except for the 5th point, the 5th point is harder than 1-4) it's never going to happen because they don't want it to.But make no mistake, this situation is not permanent by any means.
>>541785361Hitler did most of these things listed and helped German working family's get cheap cars at no interest... it can happen and must within our lifetime or the world is lost to the synagogue of satan.
>>541785239>ban immigration as a means to solve the declining birth ratesno! the whole immigration costs us all so much. for this better build schools and help families get a house to raise many white babies in. lower the massive tax-burden on local workers, then there will be baby boom!>get rid off climate hoax and TOXIC feminism as well
>>541785525Exactly true. And in order for this to happen we have to agree to what we all want and do what the leftists have been doing for the last 20 years. Talk about it as if it's normal, post about it as though the alternatives are completely absurd (which they are) and actively (potentially violently) disrupt anyone attempting to undermine or subvert the effort. We just need one Nation to break through and set the precedent. It is likely going to be the USA (which is less than helpful as many Europeans will reject this on the basis of long standing anti-Americanism) but we only need ONE Nation to be the first to move in the right direction and let the results speak for themselves. It may take 5-15 years for the first Nation, and then 20-30 years for other nations to notice the benefits but that is what we have to do. Twitter, facebook, normie media, youtube, instagram, etc. All of these should be saturated, especially with the policy changes with META and X that allow for far more free speech, and in real life on college/university campuses. It's doable.
>>541784308It's way too late to just stop. You have to deport everyone.
Population collapses were common during human history. The fall of Rome, the volcanic eruptions in the medieval period, the black plague... As long as you don't fill your country with shitskins there's always a solution. The easiest one is sending women back to the kitchen so they have kids again, at least till we create artificial wombs and we can exterminate those useless cunts.
>>541785925>till we create artificial wombsthats another psyopswho will raise those babies, you alone?
>>541784308if there are any jews, they’ll lift the ban and let in immigrants
>>541784308Nothing
>>541785972>who will raise those babies, you alone?Anon, women have shown their true nature, I would rather have a trusted man raising them in a kindergarten than having some hormonal bitch deciding that she's going to kill my sons.
>>541784308Conservative birth rates are > 2.Liberal birth rates are < 2.So what happens is that conservatives get in power and stay there. Liberals will thrash around while going extinct. Expect more terrorism from leftists.
>>541786067true but still not a functional society as we knew it back then>babies raised by men only...what a faggotery!
>>541784308market will fix itself and population will balance itselfwealth will be redisributed a bit from non productive to productive in long run it will allow to keep higher productivity per person and better geneticsafter currencies collapse (nearest 15 years) all those niggers, arabs and feminists will be burden, you cant feed them already, they are required only to boost memetic GDP (which is not produce anymore lol) and housing prices
>>541784308This happens all the time in nature when a population exceeds the carrying capacity of the environment, the population crashes to a sustainable level and slowly rebuilds
>>541785972you are a stupid cunt, believing propaganda like pic rel; they are artificial babies because they do not need parentsher husband will raise the baby, obviously, that's why he ordered it (NO GAYS ALLOWED)
>>541784308first before anything, you type like a faggotfix it. stop abusing the line break like thatit doesn't collapse in most scenarios, the thing that collapses is the parasitic financial side of the economy, which is so far reaching in most countries that it's going to take the regular economy with it when it goesconstant expansion is kind of a weirdness for humans, normally shit settles out
>>541786319utter shit
>>541784308we need to collectively acknowledge that mass migration destroys diversity and being relatively stagnant with regard to migration is something that preserves and embellishes upon diversity.
>>541786153>still not a functional society as we knew it back thenWe have advanced technologically a lot. You needed a housewive because shit like cooking, dishwashing and cleaning the house took a long time. And kindergartens weren't a thing because there wasn't such a huge surplus of workers, and people didn't have vehicles back them.Imagine a society were women are just treated as the cattle they are and they are sent so breeding farms where they will spend their lives birthing children and being milked. Society would become very eficent once we don't have to tardwrangle these retarded creatures 24/7, even in the workplace. Like imagine how productive most workplaces would become if only white and east asian men worked. We could afford letting men NEET for 4 years straight to take care of his son till the kid is old enough to go to school. In a society with no shitskins and retarded bitches a kid could be picked by a bus without fears of the kid getting kidnapped. I hate women and shitskins, we could be exploring space right now if we didn't have to nanny these retarded creatures.>b-but children need a mother!They don't, single father do just fine. Meanwhile single mothers are a criminals' spawn points. Also we have the technology to make robot companions way more intelligent and loyal than foids.
>>541786621traditional role model is gone...
>>541784308people that dont breed will go extinct and people that breed will replace them and take their material shit
>>541786732I don't give a fuck about the traditional role model if the new model is more healthy for society. A traditional stay at home wife could be easily replaces with a realistic looking robot with an advanced AI model more capable than your average woman.
>>541784308You have to decide how to manage the big balloon of old people who need cheap physical assistance or they will die, when there are very few young people and each young person who goes into elderly care will be taken off some other demanding physical job. Since you've ruled out the people coming to the jobs, the jobs in non-elder care will just be outsourced too.
they will have to increase retirenment age, there will be period of time when old people live like shit then younger generation will realize that the sate cannot help them in old age and instead choose to have more kids to rely on them when they're older increasing the birthrates just to have someone close to them subsidize them in old age (like how it worked throughout entire human history) the pensions is what really causes migration (inb4 but migrants take away from state more than they put in - I know but our retarded politicians dont know it)
>>541786918that will just produce npc bots
>>541784308you'll get less swedes while not turning into retarded low IQ mutts, low crime rate, low rape rate, better society, maybe in 50 years or so you'll get a new birthrate boomwith immigration your people will die forever and your country will turn into africa with 0 chances of ever recovering
>>541787117point of no return...
>>541787068oh yes, because women are known for their complex thoughts and unique personality. The traditional wife doesn't exist anymore, and techonology don't support the old model anymore. A housewive spent the entire day cooking, cleaning and buying groceries because walmart didn't exist and they had to visit multiple stores. They had to manually clean the house, and cooking took a lot of time. Nowadays you can buy groceries online and have them delivered at your home for an extra fee or you can pick them up at the mart with your car. Cooking a good meal takes less than 30 minutes, and it can be automated with intelligent cookers and the like. If you keep a woman 8 hours at home she will spend 1 hour doing chores and in the other 7 hours se will be bored out of her mind and finding some Chad to come to your house to fuck her takes less than a couple hours in tinder... Women are basically obsolete, and they have proven that they are useless in the workplace and that they want to destroy civilization by killing their own children and cheating on their husbands when you give them freedom.
>>541784551It's no different than literally every other time population collapsed. Wages rise and productivity improves as businesses invest in labor saving devices. Black Death in Europe (and to a lesser degree other parts of the world) was followed by proliferation of watermills and windmills and urban expansion, 25 years of war in Europe in the 1790s-1815 was followed by the industrial revolution. Mass immigration kills innovation and productivity because it's cheaper to bring in an immigration and lower the cost of labor than invest in automation. That's incidentally the reason that Ancient Rome or medieval Islamic world or China never industrialized despite complex financial systems, because they had an endless pool of slaves to use. This is just economics 101.
>>541788106the Roman case was funny because they were in the early stages of developing a steam engine but no one invested on it because slaves were way cheaper lmao
It's pretty retarded idea that we need infinitely more people. We would be sounding alarm bells for any other species doing that, but not us. We've never had more people than we do today. Population going down isn't a problem. We need to stop funneling endless supplies keeping boomers alive and let them pass - they chose not to have kids, if they did not secure the wealth or progeny to care for them into old age, then unfortunately they will need to pass on or accept a much lower quality of living. Like imagine you have a five family household and your grandmother, who lives with you, passes away. Your house's population has crashed 20%. Are you going to put some random guy in that room to maintain the same amount of people? No, that's retarded.
>>541784551You're being retarded. People aren't breeding because there's no space, no jobs, and endless beaucracy has made it difficult to do most things. Once people start to have space to breath and they're not as easily replaceable, stability forms, and people start having kids again. It's called carrying capacity. Humans are not magically exempt from it and we as animals can fundamentally understand there are not enough resources and prioritize fewer or even no offspring until conditions improve. This literally happened during the black death and life for way better for the average Joe afterward.
>>541784308people die, property becomes vacant, prices go down, people have more kids because they can afford it, jews kvetch and seethe because they are "losing" money and can't speculate property anymorevery VERY antisemitic, should be avoided at all costs
Even in the absolute worst case scenario, which is absolute population decline because people genuinely stop having kids (which would not happen anyway), the choice is still>countries with low population but extremely high quality of life and a defined culturevs>country with large, booming population but with steadily decreasing quality of life and severe cultural erosionYou have to be a genuine retard to choose the second option.
All of this ignores the fact that the birthrate had been too high since the end of WW2. The US population should be closer to 100 million (about where is was in 1915, the Golden Age of America). And considering we don’t need hundreds of thousands of factory and farm laborers, it could be even lower.
>>541784551Nigga this shit happend many times in human the ep and flow of populations history. what you don’t do with a declining population is throwing a foreign high breeding population in the mix because it that will cause a genocide and a civil war.
>>541784308Pic related.
>>541784308>population collapses>OMG!!! WE CANT FUND OUR GIBSMEDAT!!!>OMG, 72 year old MEEMAW HAS TO GO BACK TO KNEEPADS AND SUCKING DICKS FOR A QUARTER CUZ MY HOT POCKETS COST 100 PESOS EACHof course, a bunch of incel retards can't do basic math. that's why we need jeets, blacks, muslims, asians to lift up the entire iq of all white countries. fuck, 1 indian started going to my school and lifted up my rural village school's average sat by 300 points. lmao fucking white trash vermin need to go back into the pond scum they came from, always ooga booga for israel and circumcising for white jesus. or let it collapse. once the gibsmedat for white cockroaches dries up, they'll die out. whites can't do anything anyway. can't grow shit without big daddy gibsmedat giving them billions of dollars. i was talking to a cockasian retard the other day and he still thinks biden caused inflation. lmao
>>541784308The adoption of hydrocarbon energy resources was the only significant thing that happened in the last 150 years. Even though you input energy to obtain the hydrocarbons, the value of its potential does not match your input. This is what Adam Smith called "prodigal consumption". What he means is that basically you are just an energy consoomer. Oil is not capital because you didn't make it. You just found it in the ground and it comes out of your oil faucet. The demand to extract that energy requires you to immerse yourself in the stupid end products of industrial society that denies you life and requires you to exhaust yourself in futile efforts. Everything that you desire can be quantified by the ability to construct right angles in nature with energy you never had to make, and thus anything that threatens this is swiftly annihilated and conformed to its consumption habits. Yeah I mean the point here is that you didn't make that energy. You just found it. You are more like monkeys in a feeding frenzy who found a pile of bananas, and this is the best description of a leftists. You see, when you have to actually make your energy you can't live like a bimbo faggot. The faggotry is too expensive for energy producers.
>>541784308When you understand the problem you understand why control solves the problem, the scale at which this must occur, and therefore why this would solve almost every other problem. The global international trade network arose out of necessity to solve what was perceived as the final dispute (end of history). Free trade was the triumph of a military strategy over the Soviet Union based upon Mackinder's Heartland Theory under the conditions of economic growth (line go up). This was possible only because the world discovered a cheap free energy supply that continuously increased in production, that could be traded around the world as an asset, and was fungible (Bretton Woods). When global energy peaks in production this paradigm is no longer possible. The goal shifts from maximizing production to maximizing efficiency. Currently we measure our productivity based upon what if anything can be done with as much oil we can produce (fake jobs). This introduces a teleological dilemma that must answer the question of what do do with what we have left. There is no mechanism available at such scales to manage that dilemma
>>541784308if control is an off-switch, "take" implies control. Only this satisfies Burnham's conditions of ownership or sovereignty. So for example, if you claim to take something and only do what anyone else would do with it, you do not really own the thing. Therefore, in this particular circumstance, to prove you own the oil would only require consooming less than you did yesterday. To this day no person or entity has been able to demonstrate that. Yes I mean it is totally uncontrolled (like monkeys) which is indeed ridiculous for any person who claims to have power. You don't have power, but you can. Just take the oil. No one is doing it.
>>541784308(1/5)-->You are a slave inside a technological system and this (picrel) is how you are managed. The easiest way to manage people, who must also operate the system, is to subordinate them to people that the technological system finds easy to manage (niggers). That is why it appears like you are occupied by an enemy while that enemy is not really in charge of anything. The nigger is a surrogate for your subordination. Subordinating you to niggers was the conditions for your surrender to the technological system. The niggers are like agents of the technological system who constantly remind you that you were defeated by the human rights regime long before you were born.
>>541792046(2/5)-->The Nigger Enforcement Mechanism:Take the average criminal nigger and ask yourself who is he most dependent on? Of course, it is the technological system that provides him everything from the moment he is born, insulates him from any risk or repercussion, and completely protects him from any threats or exclusion. They are issued direct, simple, detailed instructions much like commanding orders which they refer to as being “woke”. They are distributed around from location to location like an advanced logistical network of agents. If the purpose of a system is what it does, it is obvious the nigger’s purpose for the system is to constantly terrorize law abiding citizens into submission. If it was not for the technological managerial state, the nigger would be eliminated instantaneously, but then so would its caretakers. He has no chance without the thing he is dependent on, and so the relationship is mutual. The criminal nigger exists to enforce the conditions of your surrender, which is the only way such a complex technological system can exist and also manage so many people in close proximity who have no shared affiliation. The nigger enforcement mechanism is a cheap bargain for your behavioral management.
>>541792046(3/5)-->The problem with the nigger enforcement mechanism is that it is very imperfect. That is unacceptable for the technological system that is always increasing in complexity. It now needs more than just niggers to enforce your surrender. Who would have thought those rebellious revolutionaries would become weaponized into identity groups protected by the technological system under the banner of human rights? Ted would have thought of that. Ted Kaczynski predicted exactly this long ago. In addition to niggers, now you must also become subordinate to:(a) any and all migrants of a specific category(b) transexuals(c) pedophiles(d) deviant homosexuals(e) disgusting overweight women with strange glasses(f) highly resentful low status males with inferiority complex living in extreme comfort motivated by females attention Code: 65239451.553-92217.823-9
>>541792046(4/5)-->Of course, It is obvious the technological system operates on a very short time horizon. Every outside-system that successfully opposes this particular technological system knows that it only needs to survive longer than the technological system and this is not difficult. That is because the technological system defeats itself. It only allows defeat to exist. Only the most pathetic scum, cuckolds, and masochists are allowed to endure alongside the most primitive silverback gorillas and this is not sustainable. The technological system consumes itself because that is the purpose it was built for. It is a genuine paperclip machine where the goal is to transform the environment into a standing-reserve to then be fed through an engine of thermodynamic decay. It has no design features beyond that.
it's all bullshit to keep muh GDP high. they bring brownoids not to work. but to consume.consooming is the GDP.
>>541792046(5/5)-->so basically Ted was right and all people who live more than 2 generations in industrial society stop reproducing and cease to function normally. There are no exceptions. The industrial society you live in is inherently anti-ecological and hostile to all life in general. Populations in industrial nations are collapsing including all participants. There are ghost towns in Europe. Take a look around the city you are in and realize nothing is living. If constant waves of immigrants did not feed the current system these contradictions would become obvious and cities would depopulate. He was just like not a very good politician.>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/procrsmed00338-0007.pdf>https://www2.hawaii.edu/~freeman/courses/phil394/The%20Question%20Concerning%20Technology.pdf>https://ia601409.us.archive.org/18/items/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-TheUnabombersManifesto/IndustrialSocietyAndItsFuture-theUnabombersManifesto_text.pdf>https://youtu.be/f9g4-5-GKBc?
>>541784308(1/9)Liberalized: Energy Oversupply-->While most of civilization was built upon the storage of capital for later use, what we have become accustomed to is a lifestyle based entirely upon consumption. Saudi Arabia for example, according to Adam Smith, should be the wealthiest nation ever, but in actuality it is only as wealthy as people buy their petroleum products. The moment we found large oceans of petroleum energy we have been constructing an open ended system that requires very little feedback into its maintenance.
>>541792652(2/9)-->Before fossil energy a community had to give as much or more than what they take to store for later use; like a seed crop or surplus production. The management of limited resources required hierarchy and social planning. Cheap available energy liberates people from the behaviors of feedback in a closed system that would otherwise reward social planning. Everything that a liberal desires can be quantified by the ability to create right angles in nature with energy they never had to make. The hypermoralization in pursuit of surplus energy (feed the world, world peace, end all violence, etc), is an evolutionary mismatch expressed as the need to fill an empty void in the pursuit of endless boundaries absent of limitations. Very few have considered how much their lives will have to change when those limitations become apparent.
>>541792652(3/9)-->If we were to assume a technological society requires existing within an error space that never requires a correction, the probability of any correction to a normal configuration relies entirely on the energy used to supply that system. If we do not have the energy we cannot afford to make such a mistake. An infinite amount of energy consumption only produce a maximum amount of error. All living systems resist entropy by repeating form. A system will usually allocate a certain amount of energy to propagate backwards for error correction, but under certain conditions this fails to occur. This is called control and we understand this as governance.
>>541792652(4/9)-->Notice how whenever a politician encounters a problem, the answer is always to print money and build an institution. This would never work if oil was not abundant. So to a politician today, an error is just another expense rather than something which requires a correction. And that is why nothing ever happens, but this is a very temporary luxury. A system can only function without unity and harmony if it has an abundance of cheap energy. That does not describe our current situation. It only functioned that way in the past based upon ignorance of what is about to occur. There is currently no ideology to represent what life will be like in the future with less hydrocarbons. No one is doing it
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>>541784308The lack of immigration will increase birthrates. Especially if the useless invaders are expelled. Without the massive drain caused by subhumans the government could subsidize native couples to have children.
>>541792652(5/9)-->Lets just say boomers had it really good their entire lives but especially when they were kids. It was like the best and easiest time to be born a human but that is gone now. If one dollar bought them 30 units of oils in 1965 it would only buy them 3 today. Energy animates life. What made their population "Boom" does not exist anymore. They consoomed it already but they still want it. They cannot imagine life any other way. It is not just boomers though. This trend is true for everyone who experiences less energy abundance as time progresses.
>>541792652(6/9)-->The problem arises when you have to input energy to get energy. So since we use energy for everything in the form of petroleum, it is more like inflation. But also there is less return on investment to discover more oil reserves. It takes years to build a well and return an investment. We can all track the rate at which people are investing and discovering and drilling more oil. At the rate we are currently at, demand will exceed production in a few years.
>>541792652(7/9)-->What makes oil so unique is that it doesn’t have to be made. It only has to be harvested. The oil is just there in the ground. The consequence of this is that anyone can make use of it and everyone who uses it does not know how to make it without using oil to make it. It cannot be substituted. It is the primary energy source for everything and feedstock for most industrial chemicals. If you had to produce the hydrocarbon molecules you consume a much different world would exist with far less abundance. When you spend dollars you spend energy, and likewise debt is a lean on future energy production.
>>541784308>it had no answers for what the future would look like in 100 years.the world can go fuck itself for what i care once i'm dead.
>>541784308The world will explode if the grapg stops goind to the up right
>>541785525It didn't actually work, it created a slight increase which flattened. Numerous other states from Egypt to Japan and even the USSR in the 70s tried and failed.There is no solution except to let natural selection eliminate the organisms expressing maladaptive traits, which it is.Currently white “conservatives” have a birthrate of 2.7, white liberals 0.9, jews 0.8, hispanics 1.7, blacks 1.2, and “others” 1.3. The only demographic in any industrial nation which is breeding at or above replacement level are right wing whites in America. That is why they are so desperate to import more non-whites, without that importation by 2050 America would be 75% white again and the vast majority would be voting so "conservatively" that the GOP would not have been politically viable by the 80s. Similarly we see fecundity of shitskins tank when they are imported into Europe, after a single generation it is down to 1.6 which is little better than the native population as an aggregate. Certainly the cause seems to be hedonism and distraction of all types even abstract intellectual distractions we don't commonly consider hedonism. Remember that in the past most leisure activity was social and thus it would introduce young men and women with one another increasing the rate of contact between compatible mates. Remember than in the past society coerced them into breeding and caring for the offspring. Remember that in the past there was no option to engage in regular sexual activity(not counting sodomy ect) without the possibility of procreation. In the paleoenvironment selective pressure did not strongly apply to hedonism as it did not impinge upon fecundity; not only were ancillary distractions rare and expensive due to the material poverty but what distractions did exist where tied to familiar and community life which to an extent facilitated reproductive activity rather than interfere with it.http://gss.norc.org/get-the-data
>>541792652(8/9)-->GDP is correlated 1:1 with energy consumption along with population growth. Technological development and innovation is correlated 1:1 with population size. The ability to innovate and manage current existing technology requires maintaining the health and size of the population. For example, many people will fail to invent a thing before such a thing is actually achieved. Innovation has an energy cost overburden. Doing such things and maintaining them is only possible with excess surplus energy in a society that is highly managed to achieve that goal.
>>541792652(9/9)-->But if we were to discover that technology and excess energy itself is in some way hostile to living things, like for example low birthrates, these conditions cannot be sustained. Take a look around your city and realize nothing is living. The society you live in is hostile to life in general. It is just as hostile as standing on top of a grenade, or the Newtonian equivalent of standing in front of a car moving at 200 miles per hour. You are continuously immersed in vast amounts of available energy in the absence of all control. For living things this is not survivable. This is called energy oversupply.
>>541784308The welfare state collapses and people go back to the family structures of the past were we had enough kids to take care of us in the future.
>>541784308Boomers stop getting their pensions and people who live off rent and interest loose their income that's about it
>>541793019There are also other behavioral predispositions besides hedonism that play into reproductive behaviors and also that in the past children provided financial security and thus were not detrimental to the long term prosperity of the individual. Those "conservative" whites live in America where food is cheap, they live in rural areas were free distraction is plentiful, they have more STEM degrees than liberal whites both per capita and in total, they have more disposable income than liberal whites and thus could buy more distractions. Yet they are breeding while all others are not, why is that? Because most of them are the descendants of cruel, taciturn populations: Cavaliers, German Mercenaries exiled after the 30 years war, expats of all sorts ect. They are naturally brutal people with inherent predispositions towards an insular religiosity, clannishness, stocism, racism, and hatred of all sorts. They are the strong ones, they are ones who have reject modernity as a matter of course because it is eminently natural for them to do so, they cannot accept modernity no matter how much society demands them to do so. The use the fruits of modern technology be feel little interest in the behaviors associated with it. If it wasn't for the importation of hundreds of millions of shitskins this situation would have been a boon not a curse. Our race would be purged of the weak in a far more complete and merciless than any eugenics program could have managed, because natural selection via the voluntary suicide of all libtards, pussies, faggots, and hedonists would over generations have scoured their genes from the breeding population. And still is in the white rural areas, this division always existed in white populations but now it has effectively created too distinct populations with minimal gene transfer, this is the what the beginning speciation looks like.
>>541793187We've seen bullshit like the libtards before, the Cathars were accepting of homosexuality, vice of all sorts, and even murder. They encouraged people not to breed, and thought that because the world was filthy and fallen nobody should have children and that no authority should control them because it was temporal, except for the Cathar Elect of course. Sound familiar? How many times has a libtard bitched to you about overpopulation and how you are selfish for bringing children into a world where they suffer, you are selfish for not adopting a little nignog because muh overpopulation, you are selfish for doing anything biologically adaptive and placing your family before shitskins you've never met. And when you point out that we could just stop feeding the shitskins and billions would die off in the first ten years they have no material rebuttal they and only sputter and stammer "W-W-WACIST!"This is the same sickness we as a race have always had. The Catholic Church organized the extermination of all adult Cathars under the request of France and the German states because these faggots were trying to destroy society. But they didn't purge enough it seems, the Cathars were never that big and the Inquisition was created to prevent another heresy of that sort. And it did, and it only cost 4,500 lives at most over an 800 year period to do it. The Inquisition essentially invented modern investigative law because they weren't a secular court looking for scapegoats to throw to the outraged mob. They were actually trying to stop heresy.But it was a mistake and yes any NatSoc plan of forcing these fags to act like humans would also be a mistake. For too long these parasites have survived off of our cultural largesse when we compelled them not to be maladaptive pieces of shit. We should just let all those who don't have a predisposition to survive die off, ZA VINAL ZOLUTION IV YOU VILL!
>>541792833How do births increase while populations decrease?
>>541784308Good side:Housing prices will crash hard over night, more than 50%, possibly 66%. School classes will be smaller and have more teachers per students. No more waiting lists for child care. More doctors per patient (migrants use more doctors than they bring). Social security payouts will increase.Public transit will be safe to use again.Bad side:Boomers and foreign investors will seeth hard, because their investments will crash in value overnight. Boomers will be impoverished.You will not be able to order food delivery anymore, you will need to drive or walk.Only a few kebab stands per city will remain.Mundane work like cleaning will need to be done by low class citizens like social studies PhDs.
>>541784308The entire grift would end. In other words that jig is up. The entire scam being perpetuated against humanity is based on infinite growth economic models and financial ledgers to enslave everyone.
I can’t imagine being so fucking stupid that you think the way humanity currently exist was perpetuated from an organic process. Anyone with half a brain can look at an ancient megalithic structures all over the entire planet and see there used to be an ancient high technological societies that rival our own. This is animal farm.
THE AUTOMATIC REGIMEThe Structural Replacement of Industrial Civilization Through the Architecture of the (\Phi \)-SwitchPREAMBLE: THE THERMODYNAMIC CORRUPTIONI. THE COGNITIVE PARADOX: THE ILLUSION OF MAJESTY AND THE DESIGN OF LIBERTYII. TECHNICAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE AUTOMATIC REGIMEIII. AUTOPOIETIC ASSIMILATION VS. TYRANNICAL CORRECTIONIV. SYSTEMS LOGIC FOR ERROR CORRECTION AND THE MITIGATION OF DISSENTV. THE UNCOMPROMISING HORIZON
>>541784600>We refuse to have childrenWe're being forcibly stopped, it's not a choice we're making.
>>541785255It doesn't need to be fixed, line doesn't have to go up all the time
>>541784308...and instead we define reproductive duties for fertile women that they have to discharge before they can go to college or get a fulltime job. If we can force young men to die for their nation, we can force young women to give birth for their nation.
>>541784308 immigration and women in the workplace is the cause of declining birth rates. western citizens are competing for resources and jobs with immigrants while trying to maintain a 1st world standard of living. the very first thing that happens in that set of circumstances is that citizens will have less children. immigration and the two income household is a kike scheme to inflate the price of goods and housing while depressing wages.
>>541784308Countries like the US have to find other sources of tax revenue besides taxing labor, or the country goes into debt death spiral. Simple as. Bond buyers are going to expect huge yield on long-term debt, because between AI, automation, and fewer people to be income taxed, it's not clear where the government revenue is going to come from (other than just printing money, which causes inflation and erodes the value of existing bonds).
>>541784308Wow, that looks like a scene from Fallout.
>>541793347delayed feedback https://www.donellameadows.org/wp-content/userfiles/Limits-to-Growth-digital-scan-version.pdf
>>541793895Chernobyl
>>541785361>Formally apologize and admit that the crisis was socially engineered by previous administrations to justify immigration.Do you think this is enough? Do you know how many people's parents have died because of migrant nurses? Heads need to fucking roll. The people apologizing have no choice but to hand over those heads.
>>541784308Oh God, there are so few of us—a mere, pathetic 9 billion people... We *have* to breed more! So that we run short not just on scraps of land, but on fresh water and food, too... so that power outages become the norm and the value of the individual plummets even further, so that the elite view us not merely as a herd, but as fucking insects... the kind you can stomp a thousand of a day, yet an even larger swarm of this FACELESS HORDE just keeps shitting itself into existence!After all, the main thing in life isn't the quality of life, but the number of brainless fuckwits around you!
>>541784551>>541784308Immigration is economized insurance against international war. If we reject immigration, then we have to accept standing on our feet and not being gay jews.
>>541784308Yugo survived plague that killed half of its population. The only downside to population collapse is because of the debt based financial system.
>>541795388>we have to accept standing on our feet and not being gay jews.Oh yea, you guys are fucked
>>541785357Send them all to live with business owners then since they need them. Problem solved
>>541784308>implying stagnating birthrates wasn't by design Are you unaware people are given awards for population control? They don't look at you as a person, they look at you as a herd animal to be farmed and culled. They think you got too complacent and uppity so they're reintroducing what being in the wild is like with immigrants so you fall back in line and know your place.
>>541784401This. People will spread out and enjoy the elbow room. Garden a bit. Families may become multigenrational, with a Grandma and Grandpa around to watch the young ones. Help out. Feel safe and comfortable and less stressed. Have more kids. Maybe try their hand at farming. It will be fine.
>>541784401>But you will always have midwits that think people will all just stop breeding and disappear.calling these people midwits is pushing it. they're full on brain damaged.>le heckin population is falling!>that means it'll continue to fall forever!>so let me project the current numbers several centuries in the future and pretend it's meaningful in any way!
>>541784551Time to make breakaway microcountries. Crypto allows financial tools outside of banks, even power generation doesn't need centralized tools. Neither does food. Wars are fought from living rooms now with cheap 3d printed drones.
