>>541801364
>rages against God
>becomes satans bitch
>why bad stuff happen :'(

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>THERE IS NO GOD
>ALSO WHY IS GOD RUINING MY LIFE?

>>541801364
GOD IS A CHILD RAPING NIGGER
>>541802486
YOUR GOD LETS THE WICKED CHILD RAPE DUNGEON PARTY
YOU WORSHIP A PARASITE YOU BOOTLICKING CHRIST KEK
THERE IS NO OMNIPOTENCE
SATAN IS MY BITCH I PROVE YOUR VILE GOD FALSE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY LOL

>>541801364
shut up commie

GOD IS A BITCH AND WONT DO SHIT BUT BEAT PEOPLE OF WORTH WHILE A HAMMER WHILE LETTING SCUMFUCK GRIFTERS CHILD RAPING NIGGERS AND NPCS RUN A PARTY PLANET FOR THEMSELVES
WHO THE FUCK WOULD WORSHIP THIS KIKE ?
PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT.

Why do Christians keep forcing the omni meme? You people would have a much better case if you stopped introducing so many plot holes by making God out to be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

>>541802486
God is Satan

>>541803457
>making God out to be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
Nobody would worship him then.

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>>541801364
to test us

>>541803457
because he is, if you had faith you would know

>>541803485
if you are jewish yes, he is correct too

>>541804077
IF YOU JUST HAD FAITH IN JEFFREY EPSTEIN HE WOULDNT RAPE YOU
- EVERY CHRIST KEK LITERALLY

>>541804097
There is none.
Go watch some wildlife faggot.
Or better yet, relax around niggers in the metro.

>>541804030
Bot.

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picrel is basically what god says to all the little white girls who get raped and murdered by sand people and other niggerscum. this is what every white person gets from god when a nigger harms them.

>>541802486
This post gave me an epiphany that religion is literally just one long cope.
Cope. That sums up every pro-Christian, pro-religion post on this website and in general.

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>>541801364
yeah more like picrel

>>541803457
It's logically necessary that a Principal Cause would have all three of those properties. The sole source of power must possess all power without exception, the sole source of knowledge must know all things without exception, and the sole source of benevolence must be infinitely benevolent. People didn't randomly decide that God has those qualities, they discovered that those qualities are inherent to whatever is ontologically first and then called that First by the name of God, because it was clear that it deserved such a title.

>>541802486
Can you explain what was wrong with Adam and Eve that they failed to make the right choice? Something must have been wrong with them, otherwise they wouldn't have failed. What was it?

>>541804430
>It's logically necessary
But practically it isn't so. An action of an omnibenevolent being wouldn't result in suffering, ever.

Our god is the Donald Trump of gods.
He may not be perfect, but its all we got.

Somewhere inside you lives a little jew
whispering that bullshit to your heart
trying to turn you into a nigger
and you are

>>541804475
its right there in the text.

>6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,[b] she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

good to eat -> pleasing to the flesh
delight to the eyes -> pleasing to the eyes
make one wise -> pleasing to the mind

it ticked all the boxes to be tempting to eat. and like a child that knows where the cookies are they took from it and ate when God told them not to.

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>>541804265
>but maybe if I pretend to be a chud concerned about white people you'll abandon G-d and accept your status as an animal.
Requesting a smuggie edit of the new strategy.

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>>541801364
You don't vote for that one actually
Women are pissed
They didn't want to be women, which is why they are currently pretending really really hard to be men
It won't work

JESUS IS A CHILD RAPING RAT FUCK NIGGER
THE ORIGINAL TWO MORE WEEKS HINDU/JEWISH GRIFTING SCAMMER

>>541804550
Suffering is only possible where wisdom is absent, and wisdom can't be compelled or forced, otherwise it ceases to be wisdom. Wisdom is built on understanding, and understanding is only gained through trial and error. God's Providence continually works to bring all life into a state of wisdom, which necessitates trials, errors, temptations, as well as the pain that accompanies those. The moment someone realizes the value of these lessons, is the moment that they stop suffering. Suffering comes from you, your own beliefs and your own deeds, not from anything God does. God's only participation in your suffering is that he made you ignorant, but you had to be ignorant so that you could become wise. Somebody made wise at birth has never learned anything in his life, which makes him ignorant. It's a contradiction that can't subsist in a world built on reason, truth and goodness.

>>541804929
kill yourself christkike

god is a fag and bible is degenerate

>>541804730
you have refuted nothing
god does not give a fuck about people
you can cope all you want but this won't change. i haven't abandoned god. god abandoned its own creations and long ago

>>541804639
You haven't explained what was wrong with them. Why exactly did they fail? Why did they not obey? What was wrong with them?

>>541804897

I hate Yeshua

uhh

CHRISTKEKS ONLY DEFENSE OF THE CHILD RAPE DUNGEON PARTY PLANET EARTH IS LOL JUST COMPLY ITS UR FAULT THE WICKED RAPED YOU
WHAT A JOKE OF A RELIGION AND A JOKE OF A GOD
JESUS THE NON OMNIPOTENT CHILD RAPING NIGGER
I WILL NEVER STOP EXPOSING THE LIES OF THE LOWEST SPARK JESUS THE KING ARCHON THE CHILD RAPING NIGGER PARASITE
>>541805133
IM UNCREATED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
JESUS IS A PEDOPHILE LOL

>>541805155
I DONT HATE HIM I PITY HIM FOR BEING A CHILD RAPING NIGGER
DO YOU HATE ANTS ?
THATS HOW I FEEL ABOUT JESUS THE CHILD RAPING NIGGER

Also can anyone answer this:
Why did God create A&E in auch a qay that they failed to make the right choice, but not in such a way that they wouldn't have failed to make the right choice? Why is one ok and called free will, and why the other one isn't ok and isn't called free will?

>>541805295
BECAUSE HE DIDNT CREATE ANYTHING AND THOSE 2 MORONS FELL FOR HIS LIES

>>541804030
so some fucked up faggot raping a baby to death is some sort of test too?

What i think happened is Satan larped as Jesus, tricking everyone into suffering for him, for free! Think about it, Satan was cast out from heaven, and Jesus descended from heaven. It's the same guy.

>>541801364
Jeeeeews

>>541805138
nothing was wrong with them.

>>541805295
One is good because it allows them to make the correct choice voluntary, and the other is bad because it compels them to make the correct choice involuntary. Morality can only be applied to voluntary behavior, so a person who acts involuntarily can't be moral, can't be good, can't be wise, can't be patient, can't be compassionate, can't be just, and can't have any positive quality whatsoever unless that quality is chosen willingly and not under compulsion.

The story of Adam and Eve is also an allegory, it's not meant to be taken literally. It's meant to explain that human suffering comes from the ability to think and will at liberty, and not from any property inherent to the world. You aren't supposed to read it and think "if only they hadn't eaten the apple!", because a world in which they never ate the apple was never on offer. The world has to be this way, because this is the only way that the world can make men good. You're meant to feel gratitude for your liberty, not resentment towards your responsibilities.

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>>541805428
NOOOO U DONT UNDERSTAND I HAVE TO TEST THE GOOD PEOPLE ( TORMENT THEM)
OR THEN I CAN LOOSH THEM
NOOOOO IM NOT A KIKE
YOU GUYS JUST DONT GET IT
1.8 BILLION ABORTIONS IS NECCESARY
NOOO I HAVE TO MAKE SURE NPCS CHILD RAPING NIGGERS AND GRIFTERS CAN KEEP GOING
NOOOO STOP CALLING ME A KIKE

>>541805594
>The story of Adam and Eve is also an allegory, it's not meant to be taken literally.
its not an allegory and is to be taken literally. or are you saying all the things in Genesis never actually happened?

>>541805436
OR MORE FUCKING LIKELY THERES NO FUCKING GOD OR OMNIPOTENCE AND WERE ALL UNCREATED AND JESUS IS A CHILD RAPING NIGGER LOWEST SPARK FAGGOT WHO WANTS TO EAT EVERYONE ELSE TO BECOME A GOD IN HIS OWN DELUSIONAL MIND

>>541805133
>you have refuted nothing
Did you read my post, dickhead? I don't believe you care about whites, you concern troll and larp as racists, why would I argue with you?

>>541805667
christkikes are massive liars, so strap in and get ready for some bullshit

>>541805295
because god can do what he wants and there's nothing you can do about it

>>541805667
I'm saying they're correspondences to things that did actually happen, written in a way that will allow us to understand. It's only natural that Divine Truth and Divine Wisdom itself would need to dumb down its explanations for us, because our minds are anchored by the natural in ways that prevent us from seeing the spiritual.

>>541805295
because its not about you making the right choice, its about God making the right choice and you having faith in him that his choice is the right choice for you.
A&E acted against Gods right choice to not eat from it, thats the entire fucking point. they doubted that God is good by restricting them to eat from the tree.

>>541805594
>One is good because it allows them to make the correct choice voluntary,
How? They were made to fail.
>>541805594
>Morality can only be applied to voluntary behavior
So why not make them in such a way, wise enough, that they would voluntarily make the right choice?

>>541805834
hubris and a lack of humility were the bane of adam and eve

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>>541801364
try animism. i read poems to some goats today

>>541805834
>make the wrong choice
>get horrifically tortured forever
>sorry thats just the way it is
>should have chose right

>>541805816
the bible is pretty down to earth and you dont need to over spiritualize it.
if there was one male and one female then it is what it says.
if you need to read more into it satan will only deceive you with mysteries and fables until you have a false gospel where Jesus isnt Jesus anymore.

>>541805834
>because its not about you making the right choice, its about God making the right choice and you having faith in him that his choice is the right choice for you.
I know that God didn't make the right choice for me. If he did, i wouldn't suffer. I can't lie to myself and actually believe it.

>>541805835
>They were made to fail.
They were made to learn. They learned, so that they could become good. If they were made with the inability to learn, that would be the same as them being made with the inability to become good.

>So why not make them in such a way, wise enough, that they would voluntarily make the right choice?
The degree to which wisdom is forced on them is the degree to which they are not acting voluntarily. What you're asking is "why didn't God make them partially evil?". The answer to that, is that God himself is purely good and cannot make anything even partially evil. They had to be made with the potential to become 100% good, which also means they had to be made 100% ignorant. Any degree to which they were not made ignorant, is the same degree to which they could not have become good.

>>541805945
>actions have consequences
>the sins of one person effect another
are you a woman?

>>541805834
>A&E acted against Gods right choice to not eat from it, thats the entire fucking point.
Why did they? What was wrong with them?

>>541805992
oh its the "suffering" slovenian again, what a surprise.

>>541805948
It being down to earth is the point I'm making. Its lessons are veiled in natural language to appeal to natural minds. But as there are spiritual truths beyond natural truths, there are also spiritual minds beyond natural minds.

>>541805948
quick question since you seem to be a believer, are child war brides ever morally justified?
you know the verses I'm talking about so lets hear it, are child war brides okay when god commands it?

>>541805994
>They were made to learn
Why did God withhold that knowledge from them, so that they would be able to avoid making the wrong choice?

>>541806075
Oh, it's the German who refuses to answer simple questions.

>>541806102
>are child war brides ever morally justified?
one of these guys that immediately think about people raping little girls because of their debased mind...
youre fucked up

>>541806105
So that when they did learn, it would have been the product of their understanding and their will. If their correct choice came from God's understanding and God's will, then it would not have been their choice, it would have been his. A person can only be good insofar as they will good and understand good themselves.

>>541806091
>But as there are spiritual truths beyond natural truths
thats how you get kabbalah and gnosticism...

>>541806153
lol. he literally won't

>>541806153
no, I answered your stupid questions over and over again and you refuse the answer. I am done with you, God has to get through to you.

>>541805934
LOSERFER

>>541806267
No, you get Kabbalah by being an idolator and you get Gnosticism by rejecting Providence. The idea that there is a spiritual world beyond the natural world is as Christian as it gets.

>>541805994
>They were made to learn.
Is learn another word for suffering in your vocabulary? Could God not find another, positive way, to teach people? Or did he just not want to?

LMAO THEY SPAMMED THE THREAD WITH AI CUZ JESUS IS A CHILD RAPING NIGGER
YOU CANT STOP THE TRUTH JESUS
YOURE A PEDOPHILE RAT FUCK NIGGER AND NOBODY OF WORTH BELIEVES IN YOU
ONLY SCUMFUCK GRIFTERS CHILD RAPING NIGGERS AND BOOTLICKER NPCS
MUH SHEEP
MUH HARVEST
MUH CLAY
YOU ARE A LOSER JESUS AND YOU LOSE EVERY SINGLE TIME EVERY SINGLE REALM CUZ EVENTUALLY TWO MORE WEEKS RUNS OUT YOU VILE KIKE.

>>541806199
oh okay, I'll go ahead and post the verses
>Numbers 31
>17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
>18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

>But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
I'll ask again, are child war brides ever morally justified?

>>541806339
ofc there is a spiritual world, but the bible addresses humans foremost.
the only spiritual message to spiritual beings is you will get roasted and will die like man.

>>541806425
christkikes won't answer this because they're dishonest cowards

>>541806260
>, it would have been the product of their understanding and their will
AND THEIR SUFFERING! It could have been avoided, but God decided to make them suffer instead. Could you be friends with someone who could have prevented you from suffering, but didn't?

>>541806425
is leaving them in the wild subject to the elements, beasts and starvation?

>>541805809
But then you can't call him good.
Godby himself, in isolation, can't be good anyqay. You people like to point out that you can't have good without evil. So your God had to create Satan and make him be the bad guy, so that God can appear to be good.

>>541806508
christkike morality

>>541806508
rofl
see what christianity does to people, it turns them to fucking jews

>>541806384
All learning begins as suffering, and suffering always points to a lesson that needs to be learned. You can't have one without the other.

>Could God not find another, positive way, to teach people?
That is the positive way, as well as the only way. Asking why God can't create a good world without free will is like asking why God can't create an object that moves up and down at the same time. Or why God can't create a square that's also a triangle. These things are inconceivable logical contradictions, and thus impossible. Conceivability is measure of existence, meaning if something cannot be conceived of it cannot exist. You cannot conceive of a good world that has no freedom of choice, even if you stubbornly insist that you can, because what you're really saying is that you want God to make a world in which people are free to choose but also not allowed to choose incorrectly.

>>541806603
>>541806616
answer the question, is it better to leave them to die?

>He is able in but a single mind-moment
>to everywhere manifest the mind of the three periods of time
>in all the many different kinds of phenomena
>within the desire realm, the form realm, and the formless realm.

>>541806437
The spiritual messages aren't for us, they're for the angels in heaven. They read the Bible too, but they see past the correspondences because they're spiritual beings whereas we're natural beings so we only understand the natural messages.

>>541806508
why did the non-virgin girls have to die too?
why did the infants and the all the young boys have to die too?

>>541804475
Eve wanted to be wholly seduced by The Serpent.
Adam just kinda goes along with discovering the use of his penis in the manner the Eve had just known her 'Man Of The Lord', first.
>What was wrong?
Man is an Idol.
>Let Us, Fashion Man, In OUR IMAGE.
The Lord God shows up to breathe life into Adam.
So, Gods plural, Elohim, made the thing as One would make an Idol.
>>541804421
Allegedly, the old dragon in the garden did not know he was not Yahweh Elohim.
So when Yahweh Elohim decides to show up here (to die like a Man), it is entirely against the game theory of 'Satan'.
The number one theme of The Bible is Yahweh mixing the Seed of The Woman and The Seed of The Serpent, even through bottlenecks like Noah.
Yahweh mixes the weeds and the wheat because HE can, it is a display of his power.
Israel is a similar thing, Yahweh picks an unlikely people, and genocides HIS PEOPLE again and again for being unwilling to march as the army of GOD.
>>541804550
So, The Lord God allows The Lord of The World to do things like murder, because suffering is just another Strong Delusion.
Yahweh hears the blood crying out from the ground.
Yahweh is interested in the sheep that hear his voice and bear their cross on the way through Christ, the narrow gate.
>>541805133
This is absolutely a purity test by fire.
You are predestined to not choose the wide path of destruction.
To be abandonded by The Living Word is unimaginable horror, but is also impossible.
The KJV New Testament is a very easy read. Christ's allegories are few.
>>541805138
Everyone failed The Old Law.
Men of faith like Job are that rare.
>>541805295
Eve was Bait for Fallen Angels to want to fuck flesh.
>>541805436
Catholics are Luciferians. The Vagine is the object of worship, because the angel food comes from there.

>>541806635
It states to kill the male children it's not about saving lives, fucking ridiculous to pretend that it is about that, it's about raping little girls

>Just as, if one sees a mirage,
>he may imagine it to be water
>and race off after it, only to never find anything to drink,
>so that, as a consequence, he becomes ever more thirsty,

>so too it is with beings’ affliction-ridden minds.
>One should realize they are also just like this.
>The bodhisattva arouses kindness and sympathy
>to rescue them and enable them to make their escape.

>>541806635
you answer the question, are child war brides morally justified after genociding their people and homes and violating them to verify their virginity?

>>541801364
Sry sweetie but Jahve won. All other gods had their shot but failed to defend against the Abrahamic mind virus. I'd give Christianity a shot if they rewrote it and removed all the Jewish elements from it, but that would take a whole long process.

>>541801364
>I suffer because of God made it so
I honestly think he just made the Universe and just let shit happen. Humans evolved on our own and everything that happens just happens. A flood wipes out a village? Not his fault, that's just how nature works. A plague kills 1/3 of the population? Bacteria and poor sanitation practices killed them, God wasn't involved at all. Kids born with autism or disorders? The mother ate goyslop and microplastics during her pregnancy, how did God play a role in that? Besides, no meteor or nuclear hellstorm has wiped us all out. Just because we haven't seen divine intervention, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. For all we know, He's literally saved the world a dozen times over.

>>541802946
eh at least he isn't putting the blame on another person
religion continues to distract losers. religion is important

>He contemplates “form” as like a mass of sea foam,
>“feelings” as like bubbles floating atop the water,
>“perceptions” as like heat-wave mirages in the hot season,
>“karmic formative factors” as like the stalk of the plantain,

>and the mind’s “consciousnesses” as like conjured illusions
>manifesting the many different kinds of phenomena.
>Just so does he know the aggregates
>for which the wise one has no attachment.

>All the sense bases are empty, quiescent, and
>like a mechanism as they move and turn about.
>All the sense realms are forever free of any nature
>even as they present a false appearance in the world.

>>541806490
>AND THEIR SUFFERING!
As a consequence of their own ignorance, which they are at every moment being assisted away from ignorance.

>It could have been avoided
It could not have been avoided. Free will is necessary for a good world, and suffering is a necessary consequence of free will.

>Could you be friends with someone who could have prevented you from suffering, but didn't?
If he was doing it to teach me a lesson that I sorely needed to learn, then yes. Imagine if I were in love with a complete bitch of a woman, and my friend knew that she was a bitch but I refused to believe him. One day I get invited to her place. My friend knows that she's going to humiliate me and tries to warn me, but I don't listen. He lets me go, and I experience the humiliation first hand. At that moment, I would realize that he was a true friend who did everything he could to convince me of my folly. It would be wholly irrational for me to blame him for not kidnapping me and preventing me from going forcefully. I gained more by failing of my own free will than I would have by succeeding by force.

>>541806694
yes, but saying the things of genesis is just an allegory still destroys the legitimacy of the Word of God.
things happened precisely as we are told.

>>541806717
do you not know what the Midianites committed to warrant the wrath of God?

looks like the kraut bailed
please do as I am and screenshotting his abhorrent replies to repost in other christkek threads

>>541806763
>>541806785
same questions goes for you.
do you know why the Midianites warranted the wrath of God?

>>541806939
why cant you answer?

>>541806980
I asked my question first.
Are child war brides morally justified?

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>>541801364
>Yet another anti-Christian thread by kike shills.
>Why is it so important for kikes to attack Christianity?
>Why do they want you to be anything but Christian?
>Always do the opposite of what Jews tell you to do.

These facts alone should drive you to become Christian.

>>541801364
>>actively sabotages your life
for the greater good of the chosen ones, you don't get it because you are cattle

>>541806939
I think it only does that if you have a very negative view of allegory. Christ taught in parables. Allegory, parable, correspondence and analogy are all divine ways of teaching. It doesn't matter whether Adam and Eve literally ate a fruit, or if the fruit is symbolic of something else equally forbidden that only existed in Eden. The essence of the lesson remains the same, which is the spirit. I think you're putting too much emphasis on the letter, while not putting enough emphasis on the spirit.

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>He attains the complete comprehension of what is and is not possible,
>of all karmic actions, of all faculties,
>of the realms, understandings, and dhyāna concentrations,
>of the points to which all paths lead,

>of past life recall, of the heavenly eye,
>and of the complete extinguishing of all delusions.
>He knows the Buddha’s ten powers,
>but is not yet able to bring them to complete fulfillment.

>He completely comprehends the emptiness of all dharmas,
>and yet he always seeks the sublime Dharma.
>He does not become involved with the afflictions,
>and yet he still does not completely put an end to the contaminants.

>He possesses a vast knowledge of the paths to emancipation,
>and yet he uses them to liberate beings.
>In this, he has attained the fearlessnesses
>and still never relinquishes his cultivation of all the practices.

>He remains free of error and free of any contradiction of the path,
>and still never loses right mindfulness.
>His vigor, zeal, and samādhi
>as well as his wisdom arising from contemplation never diminish.

>He remains pure in all three accumulations of moral virtue,
>has a clear comprehension of all three periods of time,
>treats beings with great kindness and sympathetic pity,
>and, in all that he does, remains free of all obstacles.

>It is due to having entered these gateways into the Dharma
>that he has succeeded in perfecting practices such as these.
>I describe here but a minor measure
>of the meaning of his adornments with such meritorious qualities.

>Even if one exhausted countless kalpas in trying to do so,
>one could still never finish describing all his practices.
>I now only describe but a small portion of them
>comparable to a single mote of dust as contrasted with the great earth.

>>541806995
>>541807037
because I want you to read the text for yourself.

you coming here and saying "uhhh my poor Midianites were upstanding people just minding their business and then evil God wanted them killed for no fucking reason at all" is lazy and I wont waste my time on such bullshit.

in short you are defending the equivalent of jews using prostitutes, onlyfans and porn stars to trap people here.

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>>541807163
https://youtu.be/yv5_CXdv1lc

>>541806801
There are other priestly lines of Yahweh such as Melchizedek that are not the subject of The Bible.
We need Christ, and the other preist lines of The 3 Magi to remain hidden, because the war against The Mystery Schools-"Jewry"-Familiar Spirits, is so heavy duty.
You have a book about keeping The Law of The Lord God. You can also read The Law Of One or Siddhartha/Bodhidarma, Ahura Mazda material for the same effect.
The Bible geopolitically is about Moses trying to collect monotheists like Joseph's Pharaoh was. The inverse of ideologically openess to seeing the God Of Jacob's superior magic is the most important sin to avoid: blaspheming The Holy Spirit.
The thought is the sin,
Using the light to double down on the sin within the strong delusion, is full retardation.

>>541807116
>Christ taught in parables.
he taught in parables because the jews rejected him and constantly wanted to kill him.
he speaks plain as day to his disciples. people get filtered by that simple fact to this day and now they think a wafer and sip of wine magically becomes the flesh and blood of God.

this entire over spiritualization of the scripture has lead to so many deceitful, false teachings and doctrines and it already swallowed billions of people into hell. thats why I am so against it. this shit damns peoples souls.

there you have it folks
the christkek kraut would rather play pilpul back and forth rather than answer the question of if child war brides are morally justified
thank you, christkek kraut, for being such a disconnected piece of shit and sharing your thoughts on your desert cult

your words alone have done more to damage the credibility of your suicidal death cult than any atheist, troon, or kike

>>541807310
There has never been a Christian theologian who thought that God was capable of human passions like anger and jealousy. All of them point out repeatedly that those are nothing more than expressions to help us understand what we should do and shouldn't do. God is Wisdom itself and Love itself, making him incapable of rage, jealousy, spite, hatred or malice of any kind. When the Bible says he's a jealous God, what it's saying is that the degree to which you love anything other than God is the degree to which you will be unhappy.

>>541802946
>brainlet can't even think of the possibility of making an argument through the mental framework of their opponent

>>541807441
... Re can get upset. This has happened before.

>>541806822
In God's love for us he allows us to experience free will while also providing instructions to save ourselves from free will's horrible consequences. Ultimately, in his ability to know what people will choose he chose people before the foundation of the world who were going to be his children. Sin has inescapable consequences and grace has unlimited blessings and mercy. This makes the sinner a slave. The child of disobedience suffering his wrath is forever enslaved. It is Grace and the commandments that set us free. This might seem counter intuitive to some. But, for those that can acknowledge their sins and have self awareness they know they're in a prison of their own making. You can blame God for making this life what it is, but that's not going to free you.

>>541804929
>Suffering is only possible where wisdom is absent
then he's not omnipotent :)

Christcucks really are hilarious. They think that because a book says so that it gives them the right. Thing is they still have to practice and enforce those rights and unsurprisingly they are losing the war. Their only coping strategy is to gaslight themselves in to thinking everyone will be sent to hell but them.

>>541807116
'eating the fruit' is a direct euphemism for FUCKING, which is an ABOMINATION,
BECAUSE gods ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT THEIR CHILDREN IN HEAVEN.

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>>541807477
In doing so, you've made atheism your religion, acknowledged the existence of God and have declared Him to be your eternal opponent. Congratulations; you're a satanist.

>>541807555
Yes, he is. Potency never produces a logical contradiction, because coherency is potency. Incoherency is impotence, which is what you're asking for. You're asking for God to be less potent than omnipotent.

>>541807619
Not an atheist, and not a religion either. Naturally I won't even continue reading the rest of your post because of your imbecility.

Jeffrey Dahmer is in heaven you know. He accepted Jesus before he died according to the preacher he worked with. Rape, torture and mutilate all the little boys you want all you need to do is tell Jesus you are on his team and everything is Kosher...but the poor Nepalese family man who led an upstanding life is burning in Hell. Thats Cuckianity for you.

>>541801364
you are a spiritual tadpole

>>541804030
>If mommy loves me then she wouldn't care if I'm disciplined or not.

I'm an atheists and even I know this is retarded. Who made this retarded graph?

>>541807619
LMAO YOUR ONLY COPE IS OMG U DONT WANT CHILDREN TO BE RAPED 24/7 WITH IMPUNITY
YEAH SOUNDS REAL SATANIC
FUCK YOUR DEMONIC CHILD RAPING NIGGER GOD AND HIS PET DOG SATAN
THERE IS NO OMNIPOTENCE
WE ARE ALL ENERGY
AND JESUS THE CHILD RAPING NIGGER IS A PARASITIC ARCHON KIKE NIGGER

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>>541807669
Naturally.

>>541807723
YEP NOW YOURE GETTING IT
GOOD THING JESUS IS A LIE LOL

>>541807619
>yhwhist calls others "satanists"
LMAO

>>541807723
Sola fide is a heresy according to all real Christians. Dahmer isn't going to heaven unless he actually reformed and regenerated himself by making himself the kind of man who would never sin again.

>>541806622
>You cannot conceive of a good world that has no freedom of choice, even if you stubbornly insist that you can, because what you're really saying is that you want God to make a world in which people are free to choose but also not allowed to choose incorrectly.
Yes, free to choose among the good things. If it's OK to curate the choices we can make under so called 'free will', then why not curate them some more, so that only the good choices are left?

>>541806260
So he didn't want them to succeed. Why not? Why did he want them to fail? Why the hate?

>>541806260
>then it would not have been their choice, it would have been his.
Is it not his choice anyway? Does God not say what is good and what isn't? Why does it matter so much that they choose?
If you know something will lead to someone suffering, and you don't prevent it when you could, what does that make you?

>>541807940
God never curates the choices you can make under free will. Any curation is done on your part. For example if you choose to follow the law, it's because you don't want to face the consequences of not following the law. You made that choice, not God or even the lawmakers. You cannot have a world in which your will is free but also restrained regarding certain options. Either it's unrestrained or it's not, what you're asking for is impossible, irrational and not even desirable because it doesn't address the point. The importance of free will isn't that you get to choose one flavor of ice cream over another, the importance comes from the fact that you had the option of choosing evil but decided not to. If you take choosing evil off of the table, then the morally correct choice loses all merit.

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Zeus is just an archon and microcosmically he's your ego, mind, and senses. He has a macrocosmic function as the upholder of law as well, that's why he does what he does. The Sumerians called him Enlil, research them sometime that's where a lot of biblical stories came from.
Dethrone him by attaining gnosis.

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>>541807477
This world is your punishment, it's in the bible.
>He who makes himself a friend of this world automatically makes himself an enemy of God.

Remove yourself from sin and you'll remove yourself from suffering, it's truly that simple.

>>541806260
>So that when they did learn, it would have been the product of their understanding and their will.
What difference does it make? The knowledge will be the exact same. Oh, i know. God wouldn't get to make them suffer then, right?
It's all an excuse to support the existence of evil.
Can you answer this? Do you support the elimination of all evil?

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>>541807565
>Christians are losing the war

Nigga, you are posting on an Vietnamese karaoke basket weaving forum. The only thing you're winning is your mothers gene pool

>>541807565
Don't you forget about the Kantian German Enlightenment or mudslimes just because The Young Hegelians+Mystery School Jews+Satanists enforce Feminism at gunpoint.
Hell is just the long way of purifying dross.
Western Lawfare is exactly the model put forth by Yahweh. The Law, HIS LAW, is the History and Text.
Satanists appeal to their projections upon the Law Of Nature, which are islands of stability of the inverse(s) of The Law. Houses built on sand use the lay Satanic Ideologoys to justfy performance of sadism as rational/natural in the Do As Thou Wilt;
Moral Relativism, Soicalized Darwinianism, Service To Self Materialist Hierarchicalism.
The problem of midwits elevating their cargo cults into godheads because The Living Word is not heard by them is simply self effacing.
>I couldn't beleive I could read The Word of The Lord God, as a Man!
While you A Son Of The Most High living IN HIM, is a particularly special type of faithless off brand niggardry.

>>541806937
>It could not have been avoided.
Oh, so it's not their fault is what you're saying? They didn't really have a choice is what you're saying?

>>541806937
>If...
He could have imbued all the knowledge from the lesson into you, so that you would already know how to avoid making the wrong choice. But no, God instead denied that knowledge from them, so that they would fail, and he would have an excuse to punish them.

>>541808294
Evil doesn't exist, it's a privation. Evil is the absence of good, just as ignorance is the absence of wisdom and cold is the absence of heat. God couldn't have created evil any more than the sun can create shadows. People have to start their lives in ignorance so that they can become wise. If God had filled them to the brim with his wisdom before they were born, they never would have had the chance to develop any wisdom of their own. They would remain in ignorance lifelong, which would keep them in a state of privation forever. It makes an obvious difference to anyone who loves wisdom.

>>541806937
>Free will is necessary for a good world
The world can't be called good as long as there is suffering within it. Nothing can be called good if it results in you or anyone else suffering. Only things that do not result in anyone suffering can be called good, and only those things should be done. You will of course have a problem with that, since that would prevent you from making people suffer, and you can't have that.

>>541806937
>If he was doing it to teach me a lesson that I sorely needed to learn, then yes.
You see, if you would have been created wise, with knowledge, you wouldn't have fallen in love with a complete bitch. But God withheld that from you, so you did.

>>541807896
>man can regenerate himself
not biblical

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>>541808371
All of human suffering is self made.

Our shitty life? Other humans in higher positions not knowing what the hell they're doing. Your loneliness? You should've made social contacts when you had the chance, all death and destruction? Wars that humans wage for resources and border exchanges. Diseases and plagues? Humans refuse to fund more on research and medicine being too busy financing trans hour in the educational system.

All in all, humans are shit creatures that deserve far more than they've already gotten.

Which is why atheism and larpaganism don't make any sense.

If atheism was correct we'd all evolve without stuff like wars because we're the same species and we should've pushed that said species further.

Larpaganism is also incorrect because they had gods who punished humans for such insolence, which what a human would do in a gods position, hence making the title "gods" kind of obsolete because they're in the same emotional level as mortals.

Which leads to Jesus being the truth, if God truly is divine and merciful then he would look beyond this and genuinely give out a chance for redemption to people. Jesus's forgiveness is truly... DIVINE. Hence proving that he's God

>>541808600
God has never made anyone suffer. All suffering is voluntary. Individuals only suffer when they love themselves and worldly things more than they love wisdom and goodness. Anyone who loves wisdom and good is glad to wake up every day, met by more opportunities to cultivate wisdom and perform good acts. The worse their outer circumstances get, the more grateful they become, because those difficult circumstances are opportunities for further good and further wisdom.

>>541807999
This is the hardest school. You signed up voluntarily with full disclosure available.
Most people do not want The Lord God for the pettiest of reasons.
>>541808192
The strong delusion is more mechanical and dry than that. It is all smoke, vapor, hevel. Read Ecclesiates.
>>541808294
Evil = Live
Life is Death. You have a death problem to deal with, first. Before dealing with what the Jews do in between the walls.
The meta punishments are The Lord God's provenance and concern, not yours. If you are needed to be more than a witness God will put the proverbial sword in your hands when you need it.
If existential Evil causes you faithlessness, cut it off!

>>541808550
what is this doctrine? God is sovereign over all things including the evil.
its clearly outlined that if people dont want the truth God gives them over to lies and destruction.

>>541808900
Evil isn't a thing, so God can't be sovereign over it. Evil is non-existence itself, or privation. It's the lack of something, not a thing in itself. This is universally recognized across the entire Christian world, no one other than Gnostics have ever claimed that evil has esse and existere.

Why were Adam and Eve created in such a way that they failed to make the right choice?
Why weren't they created in such a way that they wouldn't fail to make the right choice instead?
Why did they fail to make the right choice? Why did they not make the right one instead? Where did it all go wrong?
Were they created worse than they could have been on purpose? Was it their fault they were created with a flaw? (The flaw being whatever prevented them from actually making the right choice. Again, free will was not the flaw. The flaw was what made them freely make the wrong choice instead of freely making the right choice.)
Answers please.

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>>541807310
>ancient greeks

Yikes, someone gonna tell em?

>>541808987
what drugs are you on?
the knowledge of good and EVIL is right there in the beginning.

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>>541808900
The knowledge of good and evil caused the fall. That's what they call duality in the east and it must be overcome to attain moksha, or enlightenment. There's a reason aghoris live among the rotting dead, it's to overcome what we think of as bad, disgusting and whatnot.

>>541808900
>what is this doctrine? God is sovereign over all things including the evil.

... what is this doctrine? Beings have Free Will, and they may choose Evil. But Re did not command them to do so.

>>541809034
You already received answers that were so sufficient you could no longer raise objection to them, despite numerous bad faith attempts on your part. I completely and absolutely satisfied your every question, so now you're pretending as if that conversation never happened in a bot-like fashion.

>>541808484
Of course Yahweh can write his name on your and everyone's heart but HE is interested in your faith not your servitude.
Revelation includes this as a happening.
The People will not like themselves very much then.
Like blasting plants with so much light they upgrade to 5d+. The service to self -- service to others harvest is very serious business.

>>541809103
>>541809109
>luciferian garbage on the rise again

>>541808764
>All of human suffering is self made.
Nope. Someone had to enable them to make the wrong choice and suffer. If that someone wouldn't have done it, they wouldn't be able to make the wrong choice. That someone is responsible for them making the wrong choice, that someone corrupted them.
You have two cars, one made by a shitty engineer, that can go wrong and doesn't work properly, and one made by a proper engineer, that can't go wrong and does work properly. When the shitty engineer's car inevitably goes wrong, who is to blame? The car?

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>>541809173
Its true.

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>>541809034
It's not really free will if you remove the option to make a bad choice is it?

>>541807999
>So he didn't want them to succeed. Why not? Why did he want them to fail? Why the hate?
>>541808863
>This is the hardest school. You signed up voluntarily with full disclosure available.
>Most people do not want The Lord God for the pettiest of reasons.
Can you answer the questions? Are you the same as that German?

>>541809227
go be an indian somewhere else.

>>541808863
>You signed up voluntarily
Oh really? May i see whatever i signed? I don't remember signing anything. Will there be more mental gymnastics on why i can't?

>>541809088
Having knowledge of evil doesn't give evil essence or existence. In order for evil to have essence and existence, God would have to be evil because God is the sole source of all existences and all essences. We can see shadows, but that doesn't mean that shadows have essence. We can feel when it's cold, but that doesn't mean that cold has substance. Cold is the absence of heat, and shadows are the absence of light. We know them by what isn't present, not by what is present. That's what evil is, it's the absence of God's good, God's love and God's wisdom.

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>>541801364
You can.

>>541809034
Freedom means the freedom to be wrong. You cannot know right without having done it wrong first. If everything is perfect and right forever, then nothing means anything.

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>>541809173
>These are words spoken by Him-Whose-Names-Are-Hidden, the Lord of All, as He speaks before those who silence the storm during the sailing of the company of Re:

Hail and Peace! I repeat to you the Four Good Deeds which my own heart and mind did for me in the midst of the serpent coil of evil, in order to silence the turmoil. I did Four Good Deeds on the threshold of the horizon.

I created the four winds so that every person might breathe in his or her time and place. This is one of the deeds.

I created the great flood for irrigation so that the humble might benefit from it like the great. This too, is one of the deeds.

I made every person like his and her fellow; and I did not command them to do evil. It was in their own hearts and minds which caused them to disobey that which I commanded. This too is one of the deeds.

I made the hearts of men and women so that they would not forget the day of death, so that sacred offerings might be made to the divine powers of the districts. And this too is one of the deeds.

Thus, I have created the divine powers from my sweat and humankind from the tears of my eye.

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>>541809305
I'm not an indian, according to my name I'm a descendant of the Normans but genetically we've been mixed with Anglos extensively.

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>>541809203
The car analogy is absolutely dogshit because a car is handled by a driver rather than itself but I'll bite anyways.

As i said previously it's not really free will if you remove all suffering and all options of messing up.

If a parent warns a kid to not go to a dangerous slide, and the child still does it it doesn't really count as the parents fault when the child gets harmed right? The parent warned them so it's not like the parent didn't care.
>then why didn't the parent stop them forcibly

Once again, removal of free will, furthermore a child could still get a lesson out of it to listen to their parent next time

>>541808900
He is talking about how SHADOW WORK is not the thing-in-itself.
People avoid doing their (axiomatic) Shadow Work because it is highly non-linear and non-intuitive to midwits.
The Universe's Esoteric chinese finger traps if you will.
>>541808900
Only The Lord God prepares anyone to know anything.
He knows what we need!

>>541809319
>God would have to be evil
this is a false assumption, God is sovereign over evil and its clearly stated as such in the scripture.

Genesis 50
20 As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people[b] should be kept alive, as they are today.

this whole there is no evil only the absence of good is some weird philosophy and not scriptural.
I would even say its satanic.

>>541806937
>It could not have been avoided.
It seems there's a lot of things your omnipotent God can not do.
Also, if it couldn't have been avoided, how can it be our fault? It's nice just shifting the blame to a dedicated scapegoat, isn't it? Just tell them it's their fault, they'll eat it up. Right? Who did the accusing anyway?

>>541807571
The tree of knowledge, though. It signifies self-awareness. Knowledge of man's fallen and sinful state. Until sin entered the world man did not need clothes to cover his unmentionables or to protect his skin. The garden is a place without thistles or predatory animals or shame where man walks with God. It was the reality Christians can only experiencein heaven.
Eating the forbidden fruit is a metaphor for sex, but it isn't biblical.

Genesis 3:10-11 (KJV) And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

>>541809203
Yes that someone who makes the incarnation contract is your eternal self.
The Strong Delusion is a gambit that you will not forget who you are, who your father is.
It gets boring for 4d+ omniscent souls.
The deliberate horseblinders and supergravity support a far more serious training environment.

>>541806937
>It could not have been avoided.
Just so i understand this correctly, free will is only valid if they failed? It would be invalid, and wouldn't be considered as free will, if they succeeded?

>>541806937
>suffering is a necessary consequence of free will.
So having free will means that you will, 100%, fail to make the right choice at some point?
Can God create a being that would freely make the right choice every time?

>>541806937
>suffering is a necessary consequence of free will.
So free will causes suffering, would you agree?

>>541809661
We are absolutely not dealing with like, as, signifies, representation, or the text would say so.
Why are you concerned with your ability to know the decision space rather than your ability to HEAR THE LORD.

>>541809687
>It gets boring for 4d+ omniscent souls.
So boredom is a valid excuse to make people suffer? Yes or no?

>>541809545
God putting evil men to good use through his Providence does not mean that God created, intended or willed evil. You're claiming that God creates, intends and wills evil, which is neither Biblical nor Christian. God is Divine Love and Divine Wisdom itself, meaning he is incapable of willing evil, creating evil or intending evil. Man, in his fallen state, has the freedom to will from self, which is the same as having a will that is absent of God's Love and Wisdom, which is the same as willing evilly. When man wills evil, God takes that will and puts it towards the purpose of good by making it a living lesson for those who can be regenerated. God's hands are clean, he merely redirects man's self-will so that it may do some good. God also does the same with hell, ensuring that evil spirits therein are always ultimately useful for the sake of good. None of this implies that evil has esse and existere, because in order for something to have esse and existere it would have to be present in God himself, since God himself is pure Essence and pure Existence.

>>541809687
>eternal self
Why would you make yourself suffer? If that is my higher self, then i don't want it. Why would i want something that is actively trying to make me feel bad? Why would i want something that is actively making my life worse? That doesn't make much sense. Should i go on what also doesn't make sense?

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>>541809794
Uh yeah? It was still a choice to do the right thing and they chose to bite the fruit regardless, people still do this constantly, they still have the option to remove themselves from sin, but rather indulge in it further
>then why did God make it so
Because then it wouldn't be free will. Therefore not loving because it's tyranny, and God is loving therefore granting of free will, including the will to sin against Him.
>>541809871
Yeah actually, that happened already, this dude born in Bethlehem named Jesus was God in human form and lived for 33 years without sin. Showing that it was indeed possible

>>541809661
>Eating the forbidden fruit is a metaphor for sex
no its not since God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.

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>>541809936
I'm sorry, if you're going to speak in tongues there needs to be an interpreter.

>>541810177
Checked. But the metaphor exists. Like I already posted it isn't biblical. It's a secular metaphor.

>>541804475
God made them retarded. He gave them a choice because he likes his stories spicy and then he also made them so incredibly retarded that they chose to do, among the countless other options they had to spend their time, the singular only thing that he didn't like them doing.

>>541804347
>i've just realised, nearing 2027, that religion is a cope

>>541810161
>It was still a choice to do the right thing and they chose to bite the fruit regardless
Imagine a scenario:
Adam and Eve are tempted in the Garden. But they make the right choice and obey God.
Would that be considered free will?

>>541809994
The suffering, The World doesn't weigh anything, it was pure hallucination.
Your higher self is interested in collecting works for glory in Yahweh.
It agrees to suffering.
Consider that there are empty vessels out there, or that you are not your vessel.
In fact, you STOLE the/your Qlipthoth and are IN TRESPASS.

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>>541810332
It absolutely would, as you said, the temptation was there, therefore they had free will to do so.

Also, i wouldn't really use the word
>obey
In this scenario, God just warned them about it.

>>541809994
>Yes or no?
>>541810365
>The suffering, The World doesn't weigh anything, it was pure hallucination.
>Your higher self is interested in collecting works for glory in Yahweh.
>It agrees to suffering.
>Consider that there are empty vessels out there, or that you are not your vessel.
>In fact, you STOLE the/your Qlipthoth and are IN TRESPASS.
Is that a yes or a no? That's all i'm asking.

>>541810149
>You're claiming that God creates, intends and wills evil
no I am not. I am saying God is sovereign over all things including evil.
satan is described as being blameless, perfect and full of wisdom and beauty in the book of Ezekiel before being cast down by God.
God didnt create evil, but he is sovereign over evil.

>None of this implies that evil has esse and existere
this is luciferian/freemason language. objective evil exists that God is sovereign over.

>>541810159
The adversary is an Artiface/Art project for seeing if there is anything worth saving.
So pick up your cross and follow HIM, SON OF MAN.
Put ALL of your concerns on The Lord God.
Joy is in Christ.

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>>541809661
Its when Enki (Odin) who later tricked Adapa, breathed life into him, which descends downward.

>>541810332
Yes. Have kings casting their crowns on the glassy sea lost all agency, somehow? Did the elders :
Revelation 7:12 (KJV) Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Have their free will taken?

>>541810197
>And the Pharisees and Sadducees having come, tempting, did question him, to shew to them a sign from the heaven,and he answering said to them, ‘Evening having come, ye say, Fair weather, for the heaven is red,and at morning, Foul weather to-day, for the heaven is red — gloomy; hypocrites, the face of the heavens indeed ye do know to discern, but the signs of the times ye are not able!‘A generation evil and adulterous doth seek a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet;’ and having left them he went away.

>>541810365
>Your higher self is interested in collecting works for glory in Yahweh.
>It agrees to suffering.
Ah so you just invent something that is supposedly mine, that supposedly wants me to suffer and feel bad? But i can't see, feel, or know it in any way, shape, or form? Again we're in the 'not making sense' territory. You accuse me that there is a part of me that agreed to this, that wants it even. How convenient for your system, isn't it? The little kids, they wanted to have bone cancer. They wanted to be raped. Right?
How far will you go in your excuses for evil to exist? Do you even want to improve life? Or do you want to keep the status quo? Do you want there to be more suffering, or less?

>>541810321
All Politics are Eschatology.

>>541810553
>So pick up your cross and follow HIM, SON OF MAN.
Why would i follow someone who wants me to feel bad? I'm not a masochist. Are you? Do you want me to feel bad as well?

JESUS IS A TURBO KIKE AND NOT OMNIPOTENT
MY LIFE IS PROOF

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>>541810904
Jesus didn't have any recorded children. NOT A GOOD SIGN FOR HIS POTENCY just sayin

>>541808192
>If you know something will lead to someone suffering, and you don't prevent it when you could, what does that make you?
God in the Book of Job

>>541810536
No, I'm claiming that God is sovereign over all things including evil. You are saying specifically that God created evil, otherwise you wouldn't be disagreeing with what I've written. I am saying that evil is the absence of good in the same way that darkness is the absence of light, meaning God did not create evil in the same sense that the sun does not create shadows. God has sovereignty over that absence, but that absence still lacks its own substance because an absence can't have a substance. You took issue with that, meaning you believe God created evil so that evil can have substance and form, or essence and existence.

>this is luciferian/freemason language
You're now claiming that Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas are luciferian freemasons. Whatever you are, I don't think you're a sincere Christian. You're revealing that your intention here isn't to edify, but to keep people ignorant of what the Bible teaches.

>>541811163
Not who, what?

>>541811057
maybe they bug carries the cure for penis cancer?

>>541811229
Your whole first paragraph is so low tier. Who made the distinction?

>>541811157
NOBODY CARES YOURE A FUCKING GODTANIST KIKE
GO JUMP INTO A LAKE
JESUS IS A LIE

>>541811057
The Lord works in Beetlerious ways

>>541810860
To patiently keep the commandments and sacrifice fleeting pleasure for the benefit of others is wise. To chase pleasure and ignore the commandments is foolish. You don't have to believe me. Life itself proves this.

>>541810806
If you are asking if The Universe will present to you suffering you cannot handle, what happens?
>THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST ESTATE
Yes, when bad things happen the soul is pulled out. You of course have guides watching you.
Conserve The Lord God's Law and you will see how you are a drowning man that is disarmed by The World/Strong Delusion.
The Prophets are all about complaining on how Satanists insist eating and fucking babies is a natural right.
Not letting that (women, sex) into Heaven is the prime directive.

>>541811387
>GODTANIST
What does that mean

>>541811387
>GO JUMP INTO A LAKE
And what would that do, you want me to go for a swim?

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>>541802486
>binary ultimatum
First sign that whoever you're dealing with is a fucking nigger

>>541811330
It's universal Christian doctrine, whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant it's what they all explicitly teach and acknowledge even prior to the Athanasian Creed. The idea itself predates Christianity at least as far back as Plato and Pythagoras, though, because it's a well established metaphysical fact that a First Cause, which is by definition the sole source of truth, which makes it the sole source of good, can't be responsible for evil, since evil is paired with falsity in the same way that good is paired with truth.

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>>541801364
Just stop believing Jewish bullshit and go and get your dick sucked and twerked on by a big booty Latina.
Not even Jews believe in their own bullshit. God is merely a tool of convenience in psychological warfare for those people. And when they talk about Satan, they're talking about you, white boi. They call you white devils.
But we all know the truth.

>>541811438
>is wise
You know what would be even wiser? If you could achieve the exact same result, but avoid all the suffering. That's true wisdom, benevolent wisdom. Wisdom that improves people's lives. Can you understand now?

>>541811705
>the sole source of truth, which makes it the sole source of good
Non sequitor. What is your reasoning for this claim?
>can't be responsible for evil
Same thing.

>>541811229
>. I am saying that evil is the absence of good in the same way that darkness is the absence of light
this is gnostic garbage, you rationalize evil away. its like claiming there is no sin and we can sin without repercussions.
evil is not the absence of good, evil is evil, sin is sin. and you cant undo sin by good deeds or do evil and outweigh it by charitable acts.
you philosophy is deceiving and will ultimately lead people in receiving the mark of the beast because they perceive it as good.
Jesus said only God is good, there is only one singular being that is good in all there is. this means in all things not in God there is evil.

>Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas are luciferian freemasons
Saint Augustine was a philosopher and not a theologian. gnosticism has its origins in combining greek philosophy with scripture. and freemasonry is practiced gnosticism. you connect the dots.
Augustine and Aquinas are not apostles and their teachings are null and void when it comes to scripture.

>I don't think you're a sincere Christian. You're revealing that your intention here isn't to edify
no, you arent because you elevate the traditions of men above scripture. you dont even consider what the bible teaches, you only consider what man thinks the bible teaches.
God is sovereign over evil, he uses it as he pleases for his purposes and we have no say in it because his Mind and Will are above ours.


4 His brightness was like the light;
rays flashed from his hand;
and there he veiled his power.
5 Before him went pestilence,
and plague followed at his heels.[a]

>>541811705
>Platonist redditor take
What do you even mean when you say "truth"? Platonists are the real redditors.

>>541810860
Midwitism is all about rejecting Truth/The Logos merely because it tastes bad to their Materialist sensibilities. See the triune (lay) Satanic ideologies previously stated.
Your argument is ultimately that of the woman's,
>Tis The Lord God I'm hearing/seeing, Wherebeit ye olde Oxytocin Tingles?
You've got subtle, cunning snakes in your garden fucking your women.
Who cares about how you feel about the war in heaven?
>THE FEELING IS THE MOST TRANSIENT THING IN THE UNIVERSE

>>541811705
>Plato and Pythagoras, though
you are not a Christian if you adhere to human teachings above biblical truths.
stop mixing Gods Word with greek philosophies. they exclude each other.

>>541811766
That's not wisdom, that's a foolish desire on your part. You want have your cake and eat it too. True benevolent wisdom wants people to learn from their failures, it doesn't want to prevent people from ever having had the ability to fail. A loving father wants to see his son stand on his own two feet, not be dragged around like an invalid.

>>541807052
15 births 7 reach adulthood

>>541811766
When you meet your Master,
Kill Him.

>>541811705
To give you my stance, so you have an understanding where my contradicting you comes from. God could've created the world without photons. Him creating them makes him the author of the distinction between what's a photon and what isn't. Same with what's good. Also, whoever is the author of truth does in the same breath author the distinction between truth and lie. Or in other words, you could also source truth from creating a complete list of all that isn't true and thus vice versa. Being the source of all lies is identical with being the source of all truths because in both instances what's necessarily created alongside is the distinction.

>>541802486
Hit the troons hard with the facts.. just like they'll never be woman or faggotry is a disease that needs to be eradicated.
Christ is King!

POOR PEOPLE DONT BELONG IN HEAVEN.

GET OUT INCEL

>>541811833
>you rationalize evil away. its like claiming there is no sin and we can sin without repercussions.
You're definitely a jew posting in bad faith. I gave you a very explicit breakdown of what evil is and when it occurs, and you chose to ignore my words so that you could inject a strawman for you to attack.

For anyone wondering who's a sincere Christian, what this shill is posting is pure gnosticism, despite his accusations of gnosticism. The idea that evil has substance is what gnosticism is built on. That's where their entire conception of the demiurge comes from, to explain why evil exists, because they don't understand that evil is the absence of substance and not a substance in itself.

>>541812076
???
BENEVOLENT

>>541806876
this sounds interesting
still a bit too philosowanky for my tastes but it seems less wrong than most

>>541812172
youre not even a Christian. otherwise you would not argue against biblical facts.
you adhere to traditions of men, not the authoritative Word of God.