Do they think taxing job creators and wealth creators and subsidizing the lazy is how you promote prosperity
>>541820937There's no such thing as trickle down economics.
>>541820937Why work a job or create anything of your own when you can just take from someone else?
>>541821032You’re right it’s supply side economics or better yet, just economics >>541821176Because being on welfare and living a shit middle class life is boring and unfulfilling
I agree, humanity needs to abolish all taxes and governments. Corporations should provide ALL services, introducing healthy competition into the economy and our stagnant society.
>>541821346I agree except law enforcement, defence, immigration, nuclear energy, and some infrastructure which can be provided on a local level
>>541821386I disagree because then we're reinventing the government and we don't like the government. Corporations will defend us and take care of us and won't let us die just for profit. Eg, let any company set up their own competing police force and military and fire department, and judicial system. The bigger and more money and guns, the more rights they have. It's so simple it's beautiful.
Trickle down economics is pissing on my back, and telling me it's raining.
>>541821577No it’s you being able to eat, go on your phone, and live a good life rather than die in a communist gulag
>>541821536I agree with you in principle but I’d just want to see it work first
>>541821536One issue is without government there’s no way to force corporations to profit maximize. Volvo gave away saftey equipment for free since there was no specific law saying they had to profit maximizeA government when used right can be used to force companies to put profit above all else, otherwise there’s no guarantee they will
>>541820937'liberals' (anti-white niggerkike adjacent) do not understand what money represents, they only care about what money can get for them. It is like the nigger in south africa who says 'our food comes from the supermarket, we don't need farmers'. Total economically illiterate nigger retardation. They only care about spending to buy things
>>541821870Literally
>>541821744Stupid nigger, they’re clearly mocking you. Your ideology is garbage and being disproven in real time as American oligarchs intentionally drive us back into feudalism.
>>541820937No clue. But you went outta your way to change your flag into that memeflag, so I just stopped into let you know you’re a Gigantic Faggot.
>>541820937when is the wealth going to start trickling down?
>>541820937Because the "trickle down economics" you introduced includes the entire world so the wealth is "trickling down" to the cheapest workers in Asia and so on and away from Westerners. Trickle down economics is literally how China got rich
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>>541820937The government is the issuer of the currency. All private sector wealth ultimately originates from the State's ability to issue currency. In fact, the State HAS to spend for anyone to have any money at all (you might have real resources, but you won't have money).So, the better question is why do so-called "job creators" have such a problem with the issuer of the currency doing the job it is uniquely equipped to do and create its own jobs? Probably because then you lose leverage over people.
>>541820937companies with open stocks have rules not to trickle down anything, everything has to go to the stockholder
>>541822024trvke the average right wing american will never understand
>>541821955You’re too stupid to realize I was mocking him by going alongThe anti-trickle down crowd is being obliterated in real time right now stupid.Paying an entire generation to be lazy and smoke pot with deficit spending and taxing the wealthy is leading to a competency crisis and the decline of an entire empire. Socialism doesn’t work stupid
The problem is, when you globalize capitalism, the tide you seek to rise cannot lift all ships worldwide. These systems are set up to be local and benefit the parties involved. Taxes in an area are eased freeing up capital. The wealthy man sets up a business in town, uses local trades to build the building, hires locals to operate the shop, they get paid and spread money around town. The town benefits and opens more stores to sell, this employs more people and the cycle continues. This is all providing the money stays in the little town circulating.New age Capitalism is when you have a head office in New York, you manufacture in Vietnam, you fabricate in India and you clear profits tax free in your Dublin office. That isn't going to lift any ships.
>>541822000When we stop taking it all from the job creators and giving it to lazy bums to smoke pot and play videogames all day
>>541820937Would you pay more for labor if you could pay less?Would you pay more for a car if you could pay less?
>>541822019And that enriches america 10x, cheaper workers means they can produce more for the same cost.Chinese get rich but Americans get richer, that is if we don’t tax all the wealth away to give to the lazy
>>541822024>>541822123This is MMT shit that can be disproven by anyone who took an economics class once everMoney is created out of debt not deficit spending
>>541822000Sage and checked.
>>541822156If the country runs a trade deficit, it has to deficit spend in order for the private sector to generate a surplus. The decision for the country to be a massive net importer was made way above the pay grade of the people you are complaining about. It was made by the capitalist class.
>>541820937Kill all programs that don't enrich the people.No, giving people free money doesn't enrich them. Stop being retarded.Money doesn't enrich soil.
>>541822171I wish they could make it in India and pay taxes in a tax haven,We’d all be a lot richer if that actually happenedUnfortubabtly tax loopholes are a Meme and their wealth is confiscated in taxes to pay for lazy bums to smoke pot and cut their penises off
>>541822191You should pay as little as possible per unit of output
>>541821723Funny how trickle down economics is moving us more and more into communism.
>>541820937Yes. Because in their minds, that wealth is ill-gotten gains and the poor are only poor because wealth has been unfairly taken from them. This completely conflicts with observable reality.
>>541822289Ah yes because communism is working so wellEnjoy ban >>541822406Funny how when we did trickle down economics people could afford housing and foodNow that we implemented your eat the rich DSA shit, the working class is actually poorer.Funny how that works
>>541822266>money is created out of debtWow, what a shocking revelation. Of course it is. Double-entry bookkeeping requires that every asset is an equal liability.So if you have an economy and the government spends $100 now you have $100 worth of "government debt", but the people in the economy (the private sector) now have $100. The government taxes back $10, so now the "government debt" is $90. This is simplified, but this is how it actually works. The government is the origin of the money. It doesn't need to sell a bond at interest in order to have money. Selling bonds is something the government does as a favor to the wealthy and to service the desire to save.But the dead giveaway is that the government only accepts its own currency as payment for the bonds that it issues. You can't pay in a different currency, you can't pay with a commodity. So the currency has to exist first otherwise no one could buy a bond to begin with.You can't have reserve drain without reserve add.
>>541822454>funny how before thing we could afford shit, but then they implemented it and it's been down hill ever sinceHow VERY VERY ODD. Almost as if lip service isn't a solution.
>>541822229>>541821998
Holy shillnigger thread
"Lazy" is a buzzword for people whose idea of work is plopping their ass down in a chair for 8 hours
>>541822525Babies first economics thought.federal debt isn’t really a private sector surplus because although the federal bonds may appear to be a net surplus to the private sector, it ignored the ghost liability blanketed over the private sector by said debt.Every dollar in interest paid to those bond holders is taken from the private sector, it’s restisibution of wealth from one part of the private sector to another
>>541820937They actually support it if you do it on a global scaleThe entire open borders crowd appeals to their savior complex to dupe them into it.
>>541822669It dupes them into getting rich
>>541822717Why do you guys keep using memeflags?
>>541820937I saw some in support of aiding Ukraine claiming having to restock missile and other supplies would help create jobs.These are also the same people who are the first to whine about the economy when immigration comes up.
>>541822664The government doesn't need to sell bonds to begin with. I don't know how to make this any clearer to you.
>>541820937Tax should be proportional to competition in the field. If you're the only (or one of 2-3) producers/carriers in the area - you shoulder max giga tax.Monopolisation has taken a turn for the ugly in late stage capitalism. Companies working towards everyone else's failure rather than own success.
>>541820937liberals hate humanity and want us to fail, not thrive.They want to reduce the human population to the bare minimum, some say 500 million, but any authority with the power to do that, wouldn't stop at 500 million.
>>541821723>being able to eat, go on your phone, and live a good lifeThat's just one of the perks of living in a white country. Even with a retarded economic system like communism, a 100% white country would still somehow have access to food and basic necessities.
>>541820937the left is all about spinning false narratives. They want people to think that taxing amazon at 90% 'like in the 1950's' will make us prosperous.
>>541820937Liberals 100% support that retarded theory. Ask them about immigration and they'll go "ERRRRRM THE GDP IS SO HIGH THEY MAKE THE LINE GO UP!!!!"Okay nigger. You're not seeing any of that money lmao.
>>541823029Americans in general operate delusions about money, largely a result from successful neoliberal propaganda from the 1980s.Everyone believes, wholeheartedly, that the government needs to "get" money from somewhere before it can spend it. Liberals therefore want to tax wealthy people at higher rates so the government "has" money to spend on social programs. Conservatives want to slash and burn taxes so the government can't "have" money to spend.But again, the government ISSUES the currency. It always has money. It's the one thing it always has. Whether the real resources exist to make the money actually do what you want it to do is an open question, but they have the money. They don't need to get it from you.
>OP memeflag 7 pbtid
>>541822229Yeah no one ever got richer from buying stuff
>>541820937The wealth doesn't trickle down is the issue. It gets more and more concentrated as time goes by hence the absolute state of the world in 2026.
A question for all the economic experts ITT (of which I am not one) - How will economies deal with structural unemployment and underemployment, and the accompanying poverty from having low or no income. You know it's coming over the next few decades with machine intelligence and machine labour.
>>541824140As the issuer of the currency, the government can always afford to buy all of the unemployment in an economy. That governments don't do this is probably the clearest insight into who is running governments and why.
>>541824140It will create 2 jobs for every one job destroyed
>>541823864No it doesn’t, taxing the rich and giving it to a lazy generation doesn’t work.2026 is a shitshow because taxing the rich has failed so badly. We have nobody working anymore and the economy is going to shit
>>541823478Sure buddy
>>541820937>job creators and wealth creatorsImagine how egomaniacal one must be to think of yourself this way.>>541821032
>>541823266No it doesn’t the FED creates money by creating reserves stop this bullshit
>>541823109It only benefits the poor but rich liberals are retards and think they’ll benefit
>>541822837It does if it wants to not cause hyperinflationPlease read a book
>>541824569Can you elaborate? What kind of jobs? Will these jobs be able to be performed bylow IQ people? After all, there's that bell curve to deal with.
>>541820937Reminder:Humanity's modern scarcity-based system treats survival as a competition, so it rewards behaviors that concentrate resources upward—extraction, exploitation, and short-term profit—while punishing empathy and cooperation, which can look “inefficient” in a zero-sum game; this doesn’t mean wealth itself is evil, but that the rules tend to elevate those most willing to externalize harm, while pushing everyone else into stress, fear, and desperation just to meet basic needs. Andrew Yang argued that when people live under constant scarcity, society gets worse outcomes across the board, and his vision of abundance—anchored by Universal Basic Income—was about guaranteeing a floor beneath everyone so survival wasn’t at stake. UBI would have reduced desperation, increased freedom and dignity, encouraged healthier risk-taking like entrepreneurship or caregiving, and shifted incentives away from predatory behavior, helping the system heal by letting humans act more human when their basic needs are met.Trickle down economics is counter-productive.Trickle-up economics is what you want.Invest in people.
>>541820937>Why do Liberals Oppose Trickle Down Economicsit's been tried, fuck all trickles down.
>>541824666The Federal Reserve is an agent of Congress. Congress apportions spending. The simple act of them doing so creates the reserves then and there. So what the Fed (and the Treasury, it doesn't matter which) do is the sell bonds to drain the excess reserves.
>>541824732Hyperinflation is caused by a collapse in productive capacity.
>>541825124Yes we don’t know what they are yet but comparative advantage will always find use for people.We used to be 90% farmers, no one would have guessed that industrialism led to the creation of millions of jobs in marketing, lifeguarding, sales people, influencers, home designers, due diligence analysts, hedge fund quants, sign holders, but it did.When you free up labor by automating a task, the relative value of that labor goes up since now each individual labor hour can be traded for a higher quanitiy of goods. This is why a lifeguard sitting on his ass earns more than a farmer in Sumeria toiling 12 hours a day
>>541822782Because jeets can't afford a VPN
>>541825283People could afford houses and cars when it was used.Now that we’ve tried taxing the rich to death to give to the lazy the dollar ain’t squat
>>541825208I don't think UBI is necessarily a bad idea, but I think the most important vision is one of more distributed productive capacity. A sort of futurist vision of Thomas Jefferson's yeoman farmer (but that doesn't necessarily mean you live outside the city if you don't want to). I think UBI can certainly be a part of that, but ultimately having productive capacity abstracted allows those who control it to dictate the terms.
>>541821032It trickles up and stays there in the stock market. Only a mean badass tough capital gains tax can bring that money back down
>>541825524That’s very different than what you’re talking about,And even if so, that doesn’t mean the federal government doesn’t have to tax and sell bonds to curtail inflation when it chooses to spend>>541825543It’s caused by too few dollars chasing too few goods, which can be caused by that or excessive monetary expansion
>>541825658This country has been under assault by neoliberals since the 1960s. You had some token resistance from Nixon and Carter, but nothing particularly effective (they even turned Nixon's CAFE standards into a weapon against America).
Reminder:Only kikes and their good goy boomer orbiters support trickle-down "economics"Donald Trump is not the source of all modern-day suffering.Reagan is.The orange man is just a product of this insanity, a symptom of a bigger problem.
>>541825658>Now that we’ve tried taxing the rich to deathwhen, you fucking retard?
>>541825742>It’s caused by too few dollars chasing too few goods, which can be caused by that or excessive monetary expansionYes, it COULD be caused by excessive monetary expansion -- but in practical reality, it's pretty much always a supply side problem. Not so obviously for regularly inflation (even if pretty stiff), but hyperinflation is pretty much always from war, revolution, etc. Sanctions getting in the mix, too. Of course you had Argentina which is a bit different because they were taking out loans in a foreign currency, but that's a different component.
>>541825935But again, I'm not sure what inflation and issuing money without bond sales have to do with one another.Bond issuance has no impact at all on inflation, and if anything it is more inclined to be inflationary than deflationary because it obviously represents an increase in net asset transfers to the private sector! The principle is going to be the same either way.
>>541825615Ok that's been the observation in the past. I'm hoping I can find the right language for my question...I have an inkling that the rate of change is or will be unprecedented and that this will create a permanent adjustment lag. And that the new jobs will pay only the cleverest people. Average and low IQ people will compete for the menial jobs that the new automation can't do. What happens if the new jobs are for artificial agents, not people?There may be some naivety in my question so apologies in advance.
>>541820937Every economic policy comes down to tax the shit out of the working manThe minutiae is how much gibs goes to degenerates and bureaucratsWho gives a shit, the man has a gun to your head and demands half your income and your like >but how will you spend it and what about those guysHes gonna spend it on a better gun, sex and drugs. Those guys are his friends.You have a gun to your head so get over it
>>541820937What are the billionaires you shill for paying per post these days?
>get a job at corporation company because thats where people go to buy things>get minimum wage>career ladder is capped at manager of the specific franchise location because corporate niggery>CEO and shareholders steal literally every dollar off the top, taking millions of dollars as their own salary>liking penis remains gay
>>541820937tickle down economics didnt work. why would they believe in it? they used the tax break money to consolidate entire industries and lobby for migrant slave labor.
>>541827684It did work 100% of the time it’s triedAlso, you cannot run an economy when manual labourers are paid more than Kings. Paying farm workers more than Bezos and Musk combined will result in hyperinflation
>>541827555>stealing>their own moneyLol
>>541826646Why do you care? You won’t even have drinks with the middle class.And anyway that’s BS, working men don’t pay tax in western countries
>>541826261Wages for low IQ will eventually fall to the point where it becomes profitable to hire them, but this new wage is higher
>>541821386>I agree except law enforcementGet the fuck out of here you fucking jew. "Law enforcement" is gutter trash staffed with scum.
>22 posts by this IDWe got ourselves a hard working jeet fellers.
>>541822454>Now that we implemented your eat the rich DSA shitNo such thing has ever, ever been implemented. So you're a lying jewish faggot. Zionism and judaism is has made the working class is actually poorer and moved everything more into communism.>Funny how when we did trickle down economics people could afford housing and foodNo, that was BEFORE we did jewish trickle down economics and before the rest of the zionist bullshit that's happened.
>>541828352How do you know this?
>>541825834You’re a brainwashed CNN idiotThe source of all suffering is liberalism and socialism
>>541821346Govement sponsored monopolies are still the government queermo musk. You really think youre the only guy who can build space trash?
>>541820937Because it never trickles down when you let each industry be dominated by 1-4 companies, and run government level financial schemes to inflate asset prices instead of trying to build up workers and small businesses.
>>541828655I have a masters in economics, the principles are based on fundamental understanding of market forces deduced by what rational actors do under certain circumstances
>>541828687What kind of turbonigger are you
>>541822942>liberals hate humanity and want us to fail, not thriveThat's obviously clearly blatantly what zionist jews want and everything else in your post, and everyone knows it. You're being obvious as hell. Jews aren't clever at all.
>>541828761Your parents paid for you to parrot polite little lies so they can keep leeching off labor. Good for you but ultimately a waste of money
>>541828761Any method that relies on people being rational actors is doomed to fail.
>>541828942masters in coin clipping maybe
>>541820937The only thing trickling down on anyone is piss and I'm far from a leftist.
>>541829123You should be. You should be organizing with other workers instead of pretending if you work hard sepai will notice you. But your brain is rotted
>>541828761What I'm wondering is will much of those economic conventions be overturned by the new tech? In which case we risk making arguments which have shaky foundations at best.
>>541820937They are avid believers of the spic nig cycle.There is no higher moral good in the leftist mindset than stuffing fried meat down the throats of ibdolent niggers. They enslave an entire race of spics to facilitate this process.All of the combined resources of the east and west have been dedicated to stuffing fried meat down the throat of niggers until they cant walk and then performing heroic life saving medicine, needless of cost, on them so that we may continue to stuff meat down their throats until they expire gracelessly.This is the purpose of being, it is what we all aspire to.The ideal political system is the one that maximizes the quantity of fried meat we can stuff down niggers throats.
>>541821176Thats the motto of the democrat party.
>>541829243why do you think the jews call communists liberals? because they want to delegitimize liberalism, that tells me all I need to know. When was the last time you heard a jew call themselves a capitalist? They're all Friedman stooges
>>541822000When are democrats gonna stop trying to kill all white people?
>>541829545Characterizing a large portion of the population by it's most deranged extremist voices is a very jewish thing to do.
>>541829507Because it works. Instead of realizing workers have more power than the ceo sitting on his ass is bad for the people getting rich sitting on their ass. Better to play the tribalism angle so anyone in a certain box is le bad
>>541820937Kill yourself Fuck your gay jew bait thread I cant wait for the holocaust to be real this timeAlso total migger death plzAlso the game
>>541827684It objectively worked.The country was in a recession under Carter and trickle down economics created the golden age of the 90s.Why do people try to deny this basic fact?
>>541829672jews like confounding you and thinking you have no other option, actual capitalism as it was envisioned wasn't far off from the utopia the marx preached, arriving there out of morality and state neutering. Oddly enough some of the most popular democrat policies that are labeled socialist are actually capitalist. Are you confused yet? I am
>>541820937What do you mean? Every leftist goes home at night and touches themselves thinking about Kensyian economics just like they have since they first heard about it their freshman year as a polisci major. Its a sacrament of the commie religion.
>>541820937yes, historically that is the only thing that has ever worked
>>541825615You are casting pearls before swine my friend.Communists cannot be reasoned with since everything they believe is rooted in their subjective feelings of fairness and not economic reality.The only way to deal with them is to let them starve to death of their own incompetence and to kill them if they attempt to force their system upon you and steal your shit.
>>541829683Because we kept doing it and it kept working less and less until it got to the point of negative returns for the average worker.
>>541829619Isn't that literally what you have done to the right for decades?
>>541820937also, prices should be as high as possible so companies are able to pay high salaries and people can afford even more stuff
>>541829868It's what political types do all the time to try and sway people.Best to look at nuance.>YouGood tribalist goy
>>541829778Im not. Liberals are rainbow capitalists. Any problem people have with Marx is identity politics bullshit not the workers rights movement its supposed to be. Unions profit sharing etc would be possible in this day and age. Id be ok starting there but liberals and rightys alike will immediately start crying about bread lines as if people arent already starving. I guess just not them so its ok
If supply side economics favored all businesses equally I'd be in favor of it. But it clearly favors the largest and most conglomerated of them. Thus you have an economy that slowly kills off the little guy (consumers and small businesses), and consolidates power in the few, who then can dictate things in their favor.
>>541828352Why would you want wages to fall? There needs to be a government job guarantee program that sets a wage floor and acts as a bufferstock. As the issuer of the currency, the government is uniquely positioned to be able to do this.As users of the currency, private corporations are not.
>>541829987The Democrat intelligentsia for like 50 years has been essentially communist. DSA is more of the same, they just lept frogged over the financialists wall street jews. A communist wouldn't say undermining the US to get useful idiots in charge is communism though. I don't know.
>>541830238Corporations getting government bailouts with our tax money is socialism so are govement sponsored monopolies
>>541830103based MMTer
>>541830314Right corporatism. Blue or red flavor
>>541820937why are you gay and retarded?
>>541820937The top tax rate was 91% in the 1950s, the economy better for the working class in the 1950s.Retards and shills like to pretend this is some untested theory, it's the reason the boombers had it so good.
>>541830368Thats not communism tho. Communism isnt when the govement does things its when the govement serves labor not capital
>>541820937Trickle down economics is a lie.
>>541830452Right but what if you steer capital to help communists
>>541829243>>541829123You’re both brain rotted by CNN
>>541820937>job creators and wealth creatorssurely this is bait.
>>541830483This is just identity politics garble. Capital doesn't serve its workers. The "job creator" lie is old hat
>>541828955Your parents paid for you to promote leftism because you’re too lazy to work lol>>541828977It doesn’t rely on it, it assumes it because it is the best predictor at behavior. Even if people are irrational the market will punish them accordingly
>>541830537If I watch CNN you watch fox news
>>541820937Anon are you retarded? The rich have been getting richer and everyone else has been losing their job in the last 6 years. kys.
>>541830557Well they're not helping domestic workers that's for sure
>>541830579Moving money around and shilling isn't work. Your job will be the first to reach obsolescence
>>541820937Liberals do believe in trickle down economics tho, they were the inventors of "freedom" and the right to private property.
>>541829389It’s always possible>>541829679Your trolling is shit tier>>541829812They don’t know history though>>541829822The Aussie I’m responding to there wasn’t a communist he seemed to be genuinely asking a question
DNC propaganda thread.Attacking "trickle down economics" is an old Democrat thing from 35 years ago. These are just buzzwords that don't convey deeper understanding of the issues.Actual issue here is a simple supply and demand problem. There is a supply and demand for human genes. The genes that code for a low skill worker become less in demand when technology improves. And the supply of these geens increases with free trade and immigration.Demand decreases, supply increases, thus wages fall.It's not strictly about "dem greedy moneygrubbing capitalists" like the DNC propaganda insists. Although it must be said that in general, technology tends to inflate the wealth of the rich, so we do need the tax code to rebalance itself along those lines. Because securing a healthy gene pool is important too, not just cranking GDP. Lower class people should be able to have families and live comfortably, and this needs to be established through policy.This analyis I'm giving here is digging into the facts of the matter. Facts which don't lead to the conclusion "communism now!!" That's why the left needs this shitty propaganda
>>541830666Trickle brown is financialist nonsense
>>541830643No theyre serving cheap foreign labor because that increases profits if you dont care about the quality of the product and know you'll get bailed out anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-BsGqbQMpIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suVHkDJ0Jw4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqrEGkViQ8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mODnz8DnhCQ
>>541830579It'll punish them eventually. But even so the RATIONAL thing to do is to accumulate power. Does trickle down economics have an answer to what happens when corporations continue to monopolize industries, and dictate the terms in their own favor? You know, the dynamic we've seen? Or when government create debt-fueled asset appreciation, again like we've had for a while now? Because as I see it the empowerment of supply side entities has allowed for both of those damaging things to occur.
>>541830727Right, building up foreign labor and production. Especially in communist countries
>>541820937The only thing that's been trickling down lately is piss.
>>541830103This is just the government printing money, devaluing the dollar, so people can have bullshit jobs that produce less value than their actual cost. It’s welfare with more work and drains society
>>541820937Because only ignorant faggots still believe that shit. The 1980s proved it to be bullshit, but you were probably born 13 years ago so I guess you get a pass on not knowing history. NO YOU DON'T READ A FUCKING BOOK
>>541830798You can call it whatever you want but infinite profit is a capitalist thing. Hence the trickle down. You don't understand communism is a workers rights movement but I dont expect you to you are American
>>541830419The federal government collects more from the top 1% than ever before in American historyYou’re a retard
>>541830792Or perhaps how removing the worker as a primary bargaining partner and regulating them to mere assets themselves gives companies free reign to fire/outsource/insource/etc at will, allowing companies to sell industries to other countries to appease shareholders all to the detriment of economic and national security. Not to say the consequences the domestic workforce suffers.
>>541830547>Quoting an obviously satirical tweet2/10 bait
>>541830881Right it's "corporatist" on one end, and communist on another. Semantically I would say this is neither capitalism or communism
>>541830908More in raw amounts, but in percentage is that the case?
>>541830908Even if that were true which its not what are they spending it on?
>>541830792Under supply side economics you have free markets so monopolies can’t form and neither can government sanctioned debt bubbles
>>541830599We spend more on welfare now than ever before in history, you’re dumb as fuck
>>541830974No true Scotsman
>>541830706This is ragebait>>541830807That’s what happens when you tax the rich to death and give it to lazy potheads
>>541831041"real capitalism hasn't been tried yet" "socialism is the road to communism". Maybe we're all suckers
>>541830908>tax rates are lower>yet the rich are still paying moreYou are so close anon, how could the tax rate be lower but the ammount collected higher?You can do this, I believe in you.
>>541831010Supply side economics. The empowering of corporations inherently favors larger forces, not small businesses. Therefor it inherently encourages monopolization, or monopolistic behavior, which in turn leads to said government policies which benefit them after they start throwing excess cash into influencing elections and policy.
>>541830874The 1980s was much easier to buy a house than today, proving trickle down worksYou’re a historically illiterate idiot who doesn’t read. Get educated, read a book. Stop being a loser and get a job and you won’t support communism
>>541831101Subsidizing grocery stores with snap is socialism. Paying people enough to keep up with inflation to afford food is communism
>>541830874Admitting you don’t believe in trickle down is like saying you don’t believe in evolution.You get laughed at and moved on from, you’re stupid
>>541831003Trans bullshit>>541830979Raw amounts
>>541820937Leftists are the only people who benefit from trickle down economics, all of the tax subsidized jobs are in Hollywood and tech companies
>>541831175high wage labor to be able to do whatever you want (within reason) and have money to spare was a tenet of capitalism
>>541831126It’s irrelevant, what matters is government spending levels.Real tax rate is the rate of government spending since that’s the amount of the economy they’re consuming
>>541831200Then would that not simply be explained away by inflation over time? Said raw amount could still be far less valuable now than it was back then. Much like how the economy of ancient states like Rome would be equivalent to my local community in raw amounts, but not in a per-capita outlook.
>>541831200>muh bottom surgeries Terminal brain rot
>>541831234That’s communism the opposite of trickle down
>>541830727Dumbest shit I’ve ever read
>>541831271Tax rate doesn’t even matter, it’s the level of government spending
>>541831037Doesn't explain the significant spike in wealth gap you dumb nigger.Also more people getting fired means more people in the welfare system whilst billionaires get richer.
>>541831315outsourcing to the third world (globalism) was obviously about exploiting the lowest wage labor, no?
>>541831235I agree the us isnt capitalist its a mix where its socialism for the rich and free market for labor. Socialism isnt always good communism is about labor rights. And until you find me a pro union capitalist these definitions don't mean anything
>>541831130It was easier in the 50s. It started turning into a shit show in the 70s.
>>541831315Yeah but im right. This is what happens when your whole purpose on this earth is to shill for the rich. Terminal brain rot
>>541831362Wealth gap is irrelevant moron. If the poor get richer but the richer get richer at a slightly faster rate, everyone is better off
>>541831367It was about giving oportunity to those who needed it most.
>>541831398luckily the democrat party did their best to destroy all the pro capitalist unions, but top down importation of cheap labor would be more of an upper class thing than bourgeois, no?
>>541830864The government has to spend the money into existence for anyone else to have it first. It is a process that needs to happen.As the private sector is not particularly interested in these workers (low skill as you have called them) there is minimal inflationary risk as they are a resource not being competed over.
>>541831483The poor aren't getting richer you moron. They're getting poorer. How do you get richer when there are no jobs?
>>541831354And the government gets money from either printing it, or from a tax of some kind.And printing should be avoided as it leads to inflation. Hence if you wish to fund good programs that actually help society you should.... Come on finish my sentence please.
>>541831404Thank socialism for that >>541831481You aren’t right, leftists are stupid >>541831524No, since that lowers prices for the poorest who need it most
>>541831524Why are you limiting it to the democrats? Go suck trumps dick
>>541831532Then they shouldn’t be hired, unemployment happens when wages demanded by workers exceed marginal cost.Also I just explained, that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about. MMT has nothing to do with this
>>541831568Oh I'm just referring to them roflstomping the rust belt with "emissions" or whatever
>>541831559So refute me. Whos hiring these immigrants? Why is the job market such dogshit?
>>541831536Then let’s solve the fucking problem of the poor getting poorer you utter moron.People these days are STRUGGLING. You’re so stupid
>>541831608I mean regulations can be good. You can go ahead and eat the beef though im sure you'll be fine. If it increases profits they will literally feed you dogshit
>>541831559>capitalism is when you have the cheapest possible goods by outsourcing your production I don't remember that in the handbook, doesn't that just increase profit
>>541822190how many more billions or trillions do they need before it trickles?you sound unemployed btw
>>541831612Job market is dogshit because of Communidt labor laws that ruin the incentive of buisnesses to hire people because there’s so many strings attached and because businesses are taxed to death both in direct corporate taxes and on the taxes paid by the owners
>>541820937>why do liberals It’s not just liberals, anon. We have 40 years of evidence now. Turns out when you give wealthy people more money they just keep it- the money never trickles down. Everyone (including right wingers) who isn’t a boomer understands this.
>>541831692Yes because Marxism definitely works >>541831701I don’t get what you’re trying to say here>>541831707It will trickle when we stop taking it all and giving it to pot smoking unemployed losers like you.Get a job and I promise you’ll drop this leftist larp asap
>>541831712Good thing illegals arent protected eh?
>>541831712which communist labor laws do you refer to retard?
>>541820937Because it's a pyramid scheme by another name, except the base of the pyramid is supposed to be the NEXT generation. The same generation that isn't being born because of the conditions generated by the scheme for those that are currently at the bottom
>>541820937Where is the trickle down economics? I haven't been trickled on yet, also the job creation goes to indians and foriegners so its trickling down to india and south america
>>541831727Literally everyone under 40 knows that taxing the rich doesn’t work.We’ve been taxing the rich for 40 years and giving it to lazy pot smokers and it’s done nothing but create a failed generation. Literally everyone under 60 supports cutting taxes on the rich now
>>541831763you are spending all day arguing with strangers on the internetyou're definitely not employed loser lmaoI haven't taken any of your money, I worked for it unlike Musk who gets subsidized by the government with handouts
>>541831800Minimum wage, OSHA, anti discrimination laws, anti harassment laws, etc… a million of them retard
>>541831763>regulations is Marxism Youre getting your wish. Everything is deregulated and run for profit. Why are you still mad?
>>541831763The goal of capitalism was to have the highest possible wages and production domestically and foster class mobility (through state limitations and moral guidelines). Outsourcing seemingly only lowers wages and destroys class mobility
>>541831816Maybe if we weren’t taxing the rich to death to fund lazy drug addict millennials you’d see it trickle down
>>541831849If you weren’t a loser you’d own stocks that pay dividends and that’s how you’d earn money.You’re white trash, also you don’t work lol
>>541820937Trickle down economics is just a euphemism for pissing on the working and middle classes.
>>541831925>muh financialismnobody cares about that shit
>>541831858Everything is hyper regulated, the rich are taxed to death, and the poor are given everything for free.I’m mad because trump was elected to stop this
>>541831866Outsourcing skyrockets real domestic wages
>>541831931Nope that’s communism
>>541831852>believes discrimination and harassment laws are what's hurting the job market>OSHA is badyou're literally retarded lmao
>>541831886> meme flaggotStop hiding, bot.
>>541831962Well, you were fucked from day 1, because the POTUS is not a king and cannot just issue decrees
>>541831980lower food prices don't really matter if you have no jobs that aren't fake daycare jobs that you need to pay massive amounts of interest to get in the first place
>>541832005Lmao you literally think the rich hoard wealth and wealth inequality is hurting workersYou’re the epitome of the uneducated leftist Chud
>>541832028The whole point was to completely ignore the courts, work with billionniares like Elon to cut social securit, medicaire, Medicaid, etc
>>541831925did i strike a nerve?>stocks that pay dividendssounds like you barely understand the stock market if that's your go-to retard
>>541831962Kek trump has gutted a ton of regulatory bodies and the rich dont pay taxes they borrow against their assets. This is common knowledge. Get better at shilling
>>541820937I don't think they oppose it as much as they dispute it. They point out that the vast portion of capital appreciation does not, in fact, end up trickling down to the working classes. They have a point, but neither side is 100% correct. The capital follows the incentives presented and there are no incentives to using wealth for expanding employment and production in this economy. There is too much ROI on just playing financebro games and buying up real estate to bother using profits to expand your business.
>>541831886Were funding foreign fraudsters and israel, drug addicted millenials arent getting shit.
>>541832067People who live off investments usually prefer dividend if not the covered call strategy, holy shit commies are dumb.If you understood stocks you wouldn’t be a commie
>>541820937>Why do Liberals Oppose Trickle Down Economicsit doesnt workits a lieits a typical fox newsian phrase that everyone should know by now is a lie
>>541832176>if you understood orc magic you would take profits off of doing nothingdidn't smith hate you kinds of people
>>541832079>gutted a tonCivil rights laws still exist, osha still exists, and minimum wage still exists.>rich borrow against their assetsYou don’t believe that, everybody knows this is a meme Nobody is dumb enough to believe this meme in 2026
>>541821536>hahahah I'm going to pretend like anarcho libertarianism is what you people want
>>541831243>my own point doesn't matter if you use it to point out the rich are getting richer at the cost of everyone elseWhen you say you want to cut government spending where do you want to take it from?Do you want to stop giving Boeing a $16b handout every year? What about the $15b Amazon gets? Maybe the $8b that goes to Intel?
>>541831593Currency is a tax credit. You need to acquire it to meet your tax obligation. If you didn't need to meet this tax obligation, you might not be all that interested in work that pays in the currency you need to meet your tax obligation. The government is the only legal issuer of the thing which it demands as payment in taxes. So if there is unemployment it is because the government did not spend enough or it taxed too much. It could be both. But again -- as the issuer of the currency, meaning it can always afford to buy anything priced in its own currency, the government is uniquely positioned to solve unemployment. The private sector, as users of the currency and beholden to the profit motive, are not. This is all very, very straightforward.
>>541832127None of that’s true, the money is going to drug addicts, not foreign governments. This is the dumbest meme floating around on the internet
>>541820937Because they actually hate blacks, try again jacob
>>541832291that's not how the fed works
>>541832181It works 100% of the time, only extremely gullible CNN viewers think it doesn’t work
>>541832233>civil rights laws and osha still exist Right which is why you hire illegalsAnd nuh uh isn't an argument. Tax loopholes are a well known thing but you're a shill so youre forced to parrot the narrative
>>541832257The rich getting richer doesn’t matter if it’s uplifting the poor, You know this though you’re playing dumb
>>541832324you aren't even human to me chud
>>541832344>tax loopholesKeep parroting CNN
Let us pray for the sacred Bourgeois: Creators of jobs, Chosen of the Holy Market, prophets of the Invisible Hand. Let us grow for them the reserve army of labor and burden them not with taxes, regulations and minimum wage so that thine wealth may trickle down to us. Let us cast out the wickedness of unions and the heretical economics schools of economics that doubt the wisdom of the Holy Market and its chosen Bourgeois. Amen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LOwJ2H_hD4
>>541820937You should look at the tax rate from when this country became a juggernauted you retard. Why shouldn't they pay more in taxes to have access to the greatest economy in the world? Who's going to buy their garbage when the middle class no longer exists?
>>541832389You don’t believe in trickle down, you aren’t a human.Communists aren’t people and Pinochet was right on how to handle you, especially making them eat their own shit in stadiums before turning on the helicopter
>>541832291Prove it
>>541832366Wealth gap is increasing and has been. Turbo style after covid. You thinking poor people are as dumb as you are is a mistake
>>541832366I guess if you're uplifting foreign poor to the detriment of your own citizens that still counts because you're giving them cheaper products, while taking away their jobs, and massive investment in real estate hoovers up the rest of the cash
>>541832419God you’re so fucking stupidThe1% pay more in federal taxes now than any time in American history.> Who's going to buy their garbage when the middle class no longer existsThe fact that you even thought this was worth typing shows how stupid you are
>>541832390>if I say something isnt a thing it isnt a thingid expect nothing less from someone with a degree in economics
>>541832437you are posting from Israel
Im still waiting for the money to trickle down you retarded kike. I piss on Reagans grave.
>>541832437The middle class has done nothing but shrink since trickle down economics was coined.
>>541831817>taxing the wealthy doesn’t work Demonstrably false. The max rate in the 1950’s (the decade that everyone points to as “perfect America”) was 92% and created the largest and richest middle class in human history.
>>541832366>The rich getting richer doesn’t matterIt does because they are buying up limited resources like housing driving prices out of reach for normal people.>if it’s uplifting the pooBig "if" there anon, try looking at data instead of vibes based economics.https://www.oxfam.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-oxfam/fight-inequality/oxfams-global-inequality-report/
>>541832462Wealth gap is irrelevant I just said that.You’re dumber than a box of rocks Notice how you don’t want to uplift the poor you want to drag down the rich
>>541832479>you vill buy our products which are just western outsourced products from the 1970's, and fidget spinners/funko pops nuh uh
>>541832479I make more then you and you cuck for billionaires as the middle class shrinks. You are pathetic.
>>541832472Working class citizens benefit the most>>541832518I’m still waiting for your taxing the rich idea to work retard, all I’m seeing is a declining empire. You traitors belong in camps
>>541832479>The1% pay more in federal taxes now than any time in American history.This is a nothing statement. The 1% will ALWAYS pay the most as the currency always devalues so the nominal amount will always be higher yoy
>>541820937ok but what does rami melek has to do with any of that
>>541832553>wealth gap is irrelevant False but fine. Wages haven't kept up with inflation. I think minimum wage is still 7.25 lmfao
>>541832527Because that’s when we started racing the wealthy to death and giving it to lazy bums >>541832536Demonstratedly false, wealthy pay more in tax today than any time in human history
>>541820937Have the economics trickled down to you?
>>541832596was working pretty good when this country became the greatest in the world in the 20th century you retard.
>>541832659>wont someone think of the poor billionaires :(
>>541832596>You traitors belong in campsNotice how you can't win people to your side with words and ideas, thus you default to violence?
>>541832659>Demonstratedly false, wealthy pay more in tax today than any time in human history>>541832597
>>541832546Data is showing things getting worse you moron. Try actually reading it .
>>541832618You’re right that’s a huge issue, minumum wage should be 0 lolEven g minimum wage should be a criminal offence lol
>>541832596Nobody is taxing the rich more to fund better social services though. Why are you waiting for it to work when nobody is trying it?
>>541832596you are literally brain dead. look at the tax rate when we were an ascending empire. and look at it now as an empire in decline. retard.
>>541832687You mean when the rich paid way less than today? StupidGod I hate losers >>541832711Notice how we don’t need to since we have Flock Caneras on our side, the Trump Admin, and a trillionaire? Even if we can’t enact our ideas fully, we can get the tax cuts through, bankrupt America which will force these programs to be cut
>>541820937Slit your wrists bootlicker
>>541832748Correct, so the rich are getting richer and everyone else is getting poorer, the "K-shaped economy".You are the one arguing that if the rich get richer so do the poor, I'm pointing out that is a load of shit.
>>541832784Is it fun coming online to pretend to be the idea that you think to hate?
>>541832803That’s literally what the Dems and Repubs are doing right now >>541832875The rich pau more in federal taxes today than in the 1950s, you’re incredibly stupid and can’t read data. You’re an ape with a phone
>>541832920If you hate freedom and human rights get the fuck out of America, kill yourself socialist >>541832936I know you aren’t for taxing the rich, you’re on pol. Socialists don’t come here, it’s right wingers teolling
>>541832803The government issues the currency. It doesn't need to tax the rich to fund better social services or to fund anything else it wants to do. Taxes aren't for revenue, at least not for the federal government because, again, it issues the currency.This is not an argument for no taxation, you still need taxes for other reasons. It's not necessarily an argument against higher taxes on the wealthy. It's just about operations.
>>541832904>Even if we can’t enact our ideas fully, we can get the tax cuts through, bankrupt America which will force these programs to be cutYou're gunna HAVE to cut social services because USA's treasuries keep creeping up since no one wants to buy your debt.
>>541832904compared to the size of the economy and the value of the dollar in the past, no they do not pay more now you retard.
>>541832546The rich buying up housing as an investment is not a result of too much wealth, but too little disincentive to real estate as an investment vehicle. The foolish tax advantages built into property ownership combined with inelastic supply of real estate are destroying many developed nations. Australia, Canada, and the UK are the worst offenders. The US is getting to that point, but not quite as far along. The Rentier Black Hole guy on tik tok has some pretty solid theoretical work on the subject.
>>541832926I’m saying you should try and help the poor get richer rather than try to bring down the rich which will only hurt the poor moreWhy not cut taxes on the rich so the poor and rich can get richer?
>>541832926You’re claiming that the poor are getting richer because the rich are getting poorer, the data shows that’s not true
>>541832904>Even if we can’t enact our ideas fully, we can get the tax cuts through, bankrupt America which will force these programs to be cutMonetary sovereigns cannot go "bankrupt".
>>541832993Tax == socialismGo ahead explain what capitalism, socialism, and communism is.
>>541833013Government spending, which is the real tax rate, was far far less you uneducated loser
>>541833013I am sure it is true even in inflation-adjusted terms but is still just a factor of the total wealth of the top 1% being higher in both inflation adjusted and nominal terms than ever before.
>>541833086If you weren’t a ragebaitor I would
>>541833038> try to bring down the rich which will only hurt the poor moreHow did vivek ramaswamy earn his wealth?
>>541821032>>541820937>if you let me keep the money ill use it to pay you more money and hire more peopleThis. its completely made up. Its the dumbest fucking con in history.
>>541833038>>541833063Bot bugging out?
>>541832596how does the working class benefit the most? the system actively replaces them and lowers the quality of labor and wage compensation. The product is worse, the pay is worse and people can't feed themselves to bypass your pay for food system
I'm having a hard time understanding OP's outlook here.Is he claiming what we are living in isn't REAL supply side economics? Similar to how retarded commies claim the USSR wasn't REAL communism?
>>541833104nice pivot retard. Relative to the size of the total U.S. economy, corporations paid 4x to 5x more in taxes during the 1950s. This isn't debatable. This is a fact.
>>541833126So when challenged you back down? Very american of you.
>>541833167taxing those that reap where they've never sowed isn't good because they'd be forced to reinvest domestically and possibly disintegrate leading to real trickle down economics, but they know what's best for us because shipping food 5,000 miles is 10% cheaper or something
because it's a lie you soulless bootlickerthey want to hoard everything and turn you into a permanent underclassrecord profits and CEO million dollar bonuses = employees weren't paid their proper wage
>>541833167Pretty much. But he also gives it away with his flock camera posting. They understand they have been entirely discredited by the East Asian model, they have lost a war and greatly damaged US strategic interests, and their idea is to just build a security state to murder you for noticing it.
>>541832784Minimum wage is supposed to be the minimum someone can live on not the minimum you can pay someone. But that's why you hire illegals. You cant really hide your contempt can you? Its why when you claim your system benefits workers you just look like a complete asshat
>>541833152No, it is just not the rational business choice in the modern finance environment. The theory is still accurate and more taxation of the rich only results in more taxation of the poor as well. The idea that the government can successfully redistribute wealth successfully instead of just wasting it it where your thinking is breaking down. More taxes does not help anyone, on net other than the politicians who get to decide where to waste it.
>>541833325it's not even taxation of the rich it's basically trust busting, war against monopolies so that other people can get in and produce more with less waste, simple capitalism
>>541833174Corporations have never paid taxes. They are instead withheld from employee compensation and passed on to the customer, hitting the working class the hardest. This achieves the opposite of the effect you desire.
See you in the next thread you shameless mindless fucking corporate shill. They're paying you far too much
>>541833381I am a big believer in trust busting, but it too has a cost. If you break up Amazon into a hundred smaller companies, you are not going to empower small businesses to compete with them, you are just going to end up paying more for shit to be sent to your house slower. Walmart has destroyed millions of small businesses, but at the same time brought the customers of those businesses cheaper goods, improving their standard of living. Sometimes you have to let the market sort it out. It is more important to stop these companies from using nefarious tactics to eliminate competitors than it is to just break them up.
>>541830452No it isn't. Communism is when there is no private property, like in a commune. Its where the fucking name comes from.
>>541833691Look at all the food production trusts like Tyson which actually raise food prices apparently. Almost no downsides to busting up meat packing. Which they replaced with illegal labor
>>541830557Capital doesnt seeve anyone, nor should it.Capital is just seed money that can be used for investment.It is just a representation of how society chooses collectively to budget resources for the future.Its like a village chieftain choosing whether the tribe should spend the fall foraging for nuts and berries or hunting for game.Foraging is less risky, but hunting has a better return.All investing is like this and literally anyone can do it.
>>541830557Also,>old hat.Thats a fucking weasel word.You didnt refute the argument, just implied that you dont have to because its "old"Engage with the discussion or fuck off.
>>541830547A shocking amount of leftist discourse is just them pretending to not understand things.
>>541820937tariffs are bad because they impose costs on businesses which then pass the costs onto consumerstax hikes are good because they impose higher costs on businesses which...
>>541830881You are an idiot.Those things arent related.Trickle down and infinite growth are unrelated and infinite growth is viable because value is relative and subjective.
>>541833952Investing isnt a job. Owning money isnt work. Dir
>>541831003Thats what we call "shifting the goalpost" faggot.Just because the people like you who run the welfare system are shit at it does not mean we should give you more to squander.
>>541833779No it isn't that's just what your rich parasite parents taught you. You've never worked a day in your life so you wouldn't understand. In a meritocracy youd be weeded out immediately which is why you desperately shill 50 year old narratives and still shit your pants at the thought of communism. If its so bad why fight it so vehemently? Because you care about the well being of the working class? Lmao die in a fire you disingenuous retard
>>541834373>No it isn't>33 pbtidkek
>>541834277Its not though its pretending you arent lying. I just like seeing what you'll say next. Theres no debating corporate shills your heads belong on pikes
>>541831175You idiots have no idea how prices work.If you give people more money to buy food, the price of food goes up.If you want more people to afford food, you do that by making it cheaper to make.That means reducing barriers like taxes, tariffs, and regulations.Thats literally what trickle down is and it obviously works.
>>541834412Ah the old you mad post. You've really got no tricks left do you glownigger?
>>541834440Holy capitalism bullshit 101 batman. How's that working out for the average American worker?
>>541834440You do know they imported like 300 tons of drugged up beef right? Im not going to eat it but let me know if its cheap. Theyre also making beef cheaper to process through deregulation of the fda. Again I won't be eating it but I cant wait to watch you blame Biden something something
>>541831404>. It started turning into a shit show in the 70sUnder socialists like carter.
>>541831816You literally have but you are too stupid to notice because nobody handed you a check.Trickle down economics makes it cheaper to buy everything you need to live
>>541831858We live in the most heavily regulated market in history.And yes, market regulation is a socislist idea.
>>541832181I doubt you even know what it means.
>>541834494you are clearly mad (and retarded).
>>541832269A good, if extreme, example of this is china where they mandate 0% unemployment.If you dont have a job in china the government will find something for you to do.They literally pay people to sweep the streets with hand brooms just for something to do.
>>541832462Wealth gap doesnt matter when everyone gets richer together.The only people who care about it are greedy selfish losers like you resentful that your Walmart job doesnt let you afford a yacht.
>>541832618How is it relevant?Other people having things doesnt prevent you from having things.Marxists are idiots who wrongly believe economics is zero sum.You assume the only way ruch people got rich is by stealing it.Your soul is ugly.
>>541832803>they are stealing money to fund my specific pet program therefore it isnt happening.The poor are the most heavily subsidized group of people in america.
>>541834234Risk management is absolutely a job.You suck at it which is why your life is shit and you believe in communism.
>>541834373>nuh uh! Only my super special definition is valid!Drink bleach.
>>541834539I'll let you know when we start doing it, idiot.
>>541834678Good, I thought you leftoid faggots were all vegans anyway.Plus, you choosing not to buy it also lowers prices.Thanks for doing your part.
Some of the worst shilling ive ever seen. This is elementary school level corporate cum guzzling
And youre all mad so im doing something right. Lol your system is going to collapse and nobody is going to pay you to shill. They'll get ai to do it
