>atheists believe this happened by chance.
>>541846933And the religious believe anything they don't understand is the work of a supernatural deity. Which is fine, since providing that explanation in the face of cosmic uncertainty and ignorance is the foundation of religion and it's primary purpose.
>Christians believe God made innocent babies with horrible birth defects because he loves them
>>541846933All part of the simulation.
>>541846933Idgi
>>541846933Youve got your logic backwards. The chances of winning he lottery are low, but someone WILL win. Life was never unlikely, just rare. You need a white IQ to understand this though
>>541846933If at one point there was nothing. Not even rules for what can and cannot exist.It is inevitable that a stable form of existance forms simply because there is nothing stopping it from forming.
>>541847151It's along the lines of the "fine tuned universe" theory, which states that the properties of our universe which allow life to exist rest upon any number of "finely tuned" conditions, and if any one of them were different the formation of life on earth, or anywhere, would be impossible. I think that's correct.
>>541846933>>atheists believeNo dummy, atheism is a lack of belief or disbelief in God or gods
Another planet hit us and knocked us sideways creating seasons and the Moon. When you have unlimited Universes eventually a place like Earth comes out of nowhere.
>>541846933>what is the anthropic principle?
>>541846933>christcucks believe an invisible sky daddy created everything
>>541846933another religiontard cope thread
>>541846933Fuck off c'tan nigger
>>541846933>jews believe they can outsmart and trick their all seeing god (Satan)
>>541846933It was Elohim, the lord of jews. That's way more believable. Lol
>>541846933Because atheists are mentally retarded.
>>541846933This looks like the sun sperm is trying to impregnate the earth
>>541847024Religion has always been based on what people do understand, never on what people don't understand. "God of the gaps" is a completely ahistorical myth invented by midwits who ought to be grateful for being called midwits.
>>541846933
>>541847024the scientists in your science books are christian
>>541846933If conditions here wouldn't have been exactly as we need them to be for our existence, we wouldn't be here. Intelligent designbros like to flip it around by claiming that the planet is designed for us. They're putting a horse behind the cart. They're carving a river without the water. They're sucking cock without being gay.
>>541847064to test us
>>541846933This is sort of the argument of "the water in the puddle believes the hole was shaped perfectly for it", right?
>>541847155majority of whites are christian
>>541847064No humans did that by race mixing, incest, and living as degenerates. The mark of the beast comes in many different ways.
>>541847423
>>541847499The "God of the gaps" was not invented by atheists to mock religion. It was coined by Christian theologians to warn believers against an intellectually lazy faith
>>541846933Why didn't god just make the sun not eject 1.5 million tons of material into space?Then we wouldn't need the magnetic field.
>>541847064>>541847064>>Christians believe God made innocent babies with horrible birth defects because he loves them>1 of the photos you made of your wife ended up completely blurry, therefore you don't love your wifeAtheist "logic" baka
yeah no its called physics.
>>541847425
>>541847515You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is
>>541847468jesus is king of kings>"These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."- Revelation 17:14>"And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."- Revelation 19:16>"which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords"- 1 Timothy 6:15does that mean he's also king of the jews?yes, and they killed him for itas you want to kill him for being your king
>>541847637Too bad those founders couldn't prove God exist
>>541847623god, by definition >>541847603is all knowing and all good-> therefore the world he created is the best possible onewe are not all knowing or all good-> therefore, it is illogical for us to question the world that god created
>>541847626>>1 of the photos you made of your wife ended up completely blurry, therefore you don't love your wife>the camera is an omnipotent beingRetard logic
>>541846933>By chanceAs soon as there's decent evidence that it didn't happen by chance, I'll consider changing my opinion
>>541847731>is all knowing and all good>makes baby mutilation a law Lol
>>541847775>why was circumcision implementedseveral reasonsfor one, it was to remind them not to be degenerates (fags, race mixers, etc)>"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."- Matthew 5:29-30but mostly, it was a sacrifice. an acknowledgement of god's authority since he is the creator of the world, he can even order abraham to take away the life of his firstborn son, isaac>"All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed."- Exodus 34:19-20let alone a circumcisionbut that was in accordance to the old lawwith animal sacrifices at the temple, etcgod established a new covenant, through the death and resurrection of jesus, the messiah a sacrifice of the firstborn son of god>"Abraham looked around and saw a ram caught in a bush by its horns. He went and got it and offered it as a burnt offering instead of his son."- Genesis 22:13>"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16so now we no longer have to keep circumcision physically, but mentally >"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."- Galatians 6:15>"Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."- Deuteronomy 10:16
>>541847775Yahweh is not Jesus FatherJohn 8:19, 1:18 etc
>>541847731Tsani sure loves his cartoon girls
>>541847766what evidence would you accept
>>541847568Affiliated =/= believerPeople are affiliated because grandpas would throw a fit if the kid didn't get baptized.Nobody under 40 years old goes to church, care about the teaching or seriously believe that god exists
>>541847607Even before the term was coined, the smug assumption that modern man knows more than ancient man has been around a while. The reality is that modern man is more superstitious than ancient man ever was. Ancient man understood cause and effect, and their religion was the product of rigorous metaphysics. Anyone who thinks that religion formed in a superstitious environment has never read Plato, nor Aristotle, nor Plotinus, nor any Egyptian theology such as the teachings of Ptah-Hotep.
>>541847797>>why was circumcision implementedNo one asked>>541847825Kek
>>541847825in bulgaria, the gnostics were known as bogomilsthey were expelled, because they mocked the god of the physical world, by having gay sexin france they were known as the cathars, and were crusaded againstin england, they were the origin of the term buggery / sodomy, in reference to their bulgarian roots trinity in the Old Testament - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvE5E9BImE4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp92-3aBL-A- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh8lmgecs
>>541847836Anything provable
>>541847766Nothing happens by chance. Chance doesn't exist. Only cause and effect exist. There's no such thing as "random" anywhere in existence, because existence itself is orderly.
>>541847836You don't have anything beyond anecdotes and personal feelings
>>541847836If I woke up tomorrow and read that Trump and his entire extended family spontaneously burst into flames and died in agony, I'd convert to whatever you got.
>>541847877see >>541847603
>>541847855Religion formed as a branch of tribalism
>>541847927He's said provable Tsani, not anecdotes and personal feelings
>>541846933atheism is the lack of belief you illiterate moron. what are the non-astrologists beliefs regarding this?
>>541847664That's some weird theology invented by jews on the exile to justify their god having power over other lands
>>541847968
>>541846933Earth is flat retard
>>541847889>Quantum Mechanics: Modern physics studies tiny particles at the atomic level. Experiments show that events like radioactive decay happen in ways that appear truly random, rather than just hidden by our lack of knowledge.>Probability: Science often uses odds and chances to describe how nature works, suggesting that unpredictability might be built into the universe.
>>541847962you do have a belief >>541847515
>>541846933>>atheists believe this happened by chance.Freemason Science has you.
>>541847855>the smug assumption that modern man knows more than ancient man"we" literally do. there's a difference between reading things from a book and being able to do anything interesting with that knowledgeancient man probably needed a pretty in-depth understanding of his natural environment that goes beyond what most of us deeply understand about most thingsbut "we" can send a satellite to orbit, keep it there, ping pong a signal at it, calculate our position taking into account relativity (mandatory). ancient man couldn't even begin to know what was outside of their immediate surroundings
>>541848040No dummy, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is Thats why you can only make up a strawman
>>541847064We live in a fallen world full of sin and death, and it's our fault no God's. It's only from his love for us and covenant with Noah that he hasn't just genocided humanity again.
>>541847647Atheism is a religion. It literallg means you don’t (a) believe in a god or higher power (theist)
>>541847155I like.. get it too bro.
>>541847568You can understand that all preconditions for life are presumed by the fact that life exists and still be a Christian.
>>541848019> Modern physics studies tiny particles at the atomic level. Experiments show that events like radioactive decay happen in ways that appear truly randomThat’s not quantum mechanics though what are you talking about.
Niggers
>>541846933if i stay outside in sunlight too much my skin will burn and I'll eventually get cancer did god give up halfway through with the earth shield ?
>>541847855Religion was formed by attributing consciousness to objects.That's why the first religions are animistic.It's a natural mechanism of the human brain to detect predators."Why did that grass move?" Probably a lion was there.Little kids do that a lot
>>5418469331pbtid>>atheists believesauce?
>>541848086Atheism is not a religion because it is defined as a lack of belief in deities and does not involve worship, sacred texts, or an organizational structure.
>>541847889>>541847927Nice assertions. If you prove it, they'll give you a nobel prize for proving a deterministic universe.
If God exists who created God. And who created the creator of God. And so on and so and so on...
>>541848002We're in a crater in a much, much larger Realm.120,240km's circle/round circumference.
>>541848104see >>541847553
>>541848049Modern man has deeply analyzed the shadows on the cave wall, but he knows absolutely nothing about the sun. Man is less knowledgeable than ever about reality. What you're insisting is sort of like saying that the child knows more than the parent because the child spends all day playing a video game and knows the video game really well. That's nice, but life is about more than video games. Life is also about more than falling for the fallacy of the senses and delving yourself into materialism.
>>541848094Radioactive decay is a direct result of quantum mechanics.
>>541848149>has no logical arguments Lmao
>>541847553Mummy indeed isn't omnipotent. Baby rejected theodicy rather than raping logic, smarter than most theists.
>>541848136It's already been proven. No one's going to win an award for something that's been common knowledge for over 10,000 years at least. Anyone with a working brain can see that everything in existence operates off of cause and effect.
>>541847550>can't even question why or how those exact conditions came about Que black science man discussing the study of the chirp
>abrahamists don't know how magnets work
>>541848197Tiny particles at the quantum level can behave randomly, with events that appear to lack a direct, single cause.
>>541847024Christianity was the driving force of most scientific discoveries of the past 600 or so years. Now explain to me how the empirically driven evidence based atheist has come to the scientifically demonstrable conclusion that there is no possibility of anything resembling god, and existence vs. non existence is clearly explained. Not a single one of you retards can demonstrate that, and you take things totally on faith in untested theories and filling in the gaps of what you don't know with the presumption that your god (whatever some leftist scientists with an agenda currently collectively theorize) sounds like the very thing you're accusing the religious of doing.
>>541848197Kek. The earth is only 6000 years old, retard
>>541848153>Modern man has deeply analyzed the shadows on the cave wall, but he knows absolutely nothing about the sun>but he knows absolutely nothing about the sunThat's not true either
>>541846933>religious people don’t even know this is happening
>>541847637modern scientists still pander to christians for the sweet free church money (it's actually dumb church goers' money but still)
>>541848250No, they don't. Appearing to lack a cause does not mean lacking a cause. Just because we can't identify something, does not mean that that thing does not exist. If quantum particles behaved randomly, then everything following from them would also need to behave randomly. You cannot get order out of chaos.
>>541846933>life is on the planet that is most hospitable to lifeShocker.
>>541848398>Appearing to lack a cause does not mean lacking a causeCorrect. I never said it did. We don't know it yet. And ancient man couldn't even come close. >>541848398>If quantum particles behaved randomly, then everything following from them would also need to behave randomlyThat is not true, because large groups of random parts can cancel out their random behavior and create predictable results
>>541848130>does not involve worship, sacred texts, or an organizational structure.
>>541848260There is little more need for the god of gaps and a cosmology without a god is simpler than with them. At this point the only cosmic coincidence not explained by the anthropic principle is the size of the sun and moon in the sky. I think that's too thin to hang a religion on. Jesus is sufficiently explained as distorted history, jewish fairy tales.Bubble cosmology where the universal wavefunction is the uncaused cause is a lot simpler than one where a god with reason and will is the uncaused cause.So the best working hypothesis is that there is no god.
And somehow NASA flew astronauts to moon safely outside that bubble.
>>541848490Correct
>>541848490>Compares his religion to something disgusting and wrongYeah, that seems about accurate
>>541848139The Creator is different from the creature. The things that apply to the creature do not apply to the Creator.
>>541848398I think that the language used to explain these concepts is to blame.For example, quantum particles are probability wave. That doesn't mean anything other than their observable behavior through instruments can be predicted to behave like a probability wave
>>541846933It didn't happen by "chance" science is clearly the study of the unknown and more and more high end scientists are certain of an arquitect behind the universe. Now did it care or is watching us? it's up to debate.
>>541846933>and people believe humans inside a little tin can went out there
>>541846933>wow! Life as we know it exists on a planet where all the conditions were correct for it to survive, what are the chances?!?! it must be that a tribe of bronze aged middle eastern goatherders were right about everything!ok thanks for that.
I'm thinking about joining catholic church. I can rape kids and live off the fools. Sounds good to me.
>>541846933I'm not an atheist I'm just not arrogant enough to assume I know the nature of God.
>>541848533>working hypothesisYou think that has a higher evidentiary standard than say philosophic proofs for god? If an atheist had a working hypothesis that there might not be any god they wouldn't be an atheist they would be agnostic. Atheism is absolute certainty. So either you're so easily convinced that your entire view on the world and nature of existence is satisfactorily created by an untested working hypothesis that's "eh it's probably THIS, trust me bruh" (which is no better than religion) or you're blindly following what someone else told you because you have an agenda against the concept of god, faith, and religion while ironically being part of one anyway.
>>541847024You can't quantify "nothing" without a frame of reference, which is "something". For "something" to exist, "nothing" cannot be true.Observe the line---It consists of three parts.The beginning, the present and the end.We are in the present. We are "something" which is an observable fact.Something happened in the beginning that caused nothing to be something. Because it is impossible for there to always have been something.Everything has a beginning, a present and an end. And all things come to an end eventually. Not just a saying, but a hard fact.Ergo, something kickstarted the "something" from nothing.God is real.
>>541848839Kek
>>541848161The mathematics of radioactive decay have been well known for over 100 years. Quantum math is what’s occurring at the sub atomic level. I don’t know what to tell you
>>541847155Yes the oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle, the weather, our distance from the sun, fucking butterflies, life is rare in the universe but somehow extremely fucking common in countless different ways on this one planet, purely by coincidence. If you look at it from an engineering standpoint there are far too many miracles and variables for this all to be a happy accident. Retard.
>>541846933>>atheists believe this happened by chance.>This happens or doesn't happen by chance.>Doesn't happen on another planet.>Nobody to complain on 4chan.>Happens on our plannet.>Complains on 4chan.
>>541848906You're not refuting anything I've said
>>541848839why do you want to rape kids?
>>541848839The Republican party is also hiring
>>541848981I'm a christian
>>541847404One anon was using that to explain the dinosaurs
>>541849009They will fall eventually. Catholic church still standing after 2000 years.
>>541849017as am i and i think raping kids is evil
>>541847064Christians believe god made babies who get raped to death so they can heal in the name of jesus
>>541848912The creation of life was difficult, but after it begun it was quite easy to get all the divergent paths.
>>541847024>random collisions and accidents over billions of years led to this post
>>541847064>he thinks he is in heaven
>>541849084tell that in your church next time. out loud.
>>541849132you really believe every church is raping kids
>>541846933Atheism has nothing to do with cosmology. I rejected the magic Jew before I knew a single piece of science.
>>541849115Wrong. God spoke that post into existence and it's perfect because it's his will.
>>541847384Atheist ls believe they are right
>>541849168and ask why there are oncology wards for kids. also, ask them for money.
>>541849017If you want to rape kids with impunity...why not simply become a kike?
>>541847024>t. troon faggot
>>541847024this post kills boomers
>>541849244b-but then i will have to off myself.
>>541847626You've said possibly the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in religious debates, especially when you are talking about a supposed god who is all-knowing and all-seeing.So you are saying your god is flawed now?I know more about your shit religion than you faux-Christian retards do.
>>541849217He literally just told you what his position is. And your reply is "no, you actually believe THIS"The atheist position is "I'm not convinced a god exists". Simple.
>>541847797>tranime
>>541846933if you are so sure atheists are wrong and idiots why do you keep talking about them, why bring them up at every opportunity? op you seem obsessed and desprate.... a typical believer
Anyone who believes that shit is happening at all is retarded
>>541848862Don't you ever fucking bastardize Thomas Aquinas again, retarded faggot. The uncaused cause is a violation of a priori anyway which violates the logic in the argument. Three dashes as the grammatical tenses isn't proof of anything other than grammatical interpretation of communication with a word form. Neither side has proof satisfacotorily constructed for any refutation because it's foundational observation isn't rooted in a randomness since we observe things with an order, right? No potentiality that this is an amalgamation of randomness and the very thoughts you think aren't yours?
>there is a god>he made his pet monkeys go bald and develop bloody hemorrhoids >by design sorry I can't believe in your silly mythology
>>541849374get a load of this fucking nerd
>>541849313You believe your circular logic proves your position
>>541846933NASA has change a lot since the1950s
>>541848046
Here, the state takes a portion of money for the church from every employee's paycheck. I can't "opt out" of the church like you can in Germany. Also, the church pays no taxes; some fool signed the "Vatican Treaty," so the renovation of all church furnishings and buildings is funded by state money. Priests get their salaries from the state - that is, from me. Fuck their parasitic guts.
>>541847862You stupid nigger, you basically did right here.>>541847775Or did you forget that because it happened more than 15 seconds ago. For fucks sake, go back to your shill training. You're getting docked a days pay for making it so fucking obvious.
>>541849288Religion is now a feel good late night telemarketing program. It's not about the hard truths of living and how to navigate them to maintain civility and growth in the community. Now it's about feeling good, getting rich, and Jesus absolved you of sin, so sodomy and discourteousness are permitted. Seriously fucked up thinking
>>541847490i look like this and i just imagined you getting bent over for my bcc (big coomer cock)
>>541847024Ironic considering atheists don't truly understand concepts like the big bang or abiogenesis yet take what scientists say on faith and then claim some bullshit like "the science is settled". Atheists are just as religious as any other faith.
>>541846933you are here precisely because that happened
>>541849407>proves your positionMy position is "I'm not convinced". No proof necessary to disbelieve something.I'm also not convinced Odin exists. There's no proof necessary to not believe in Odin.
>>541849374Never even heard of the fag.Don't you have a brain to think with? Does someone else having thought of something invalidate your own thoughts?How do you quantify the existence of nothingness without a frame of reference?You can't. It's that simple.
>>541848222the conditions occur because there are trillions of galaxies and in each galaxy there are on average 100 million stars. The Earth for the majority of it's existence didn't have the conditions for life. Mars also had water and an atmosphere. Venus is too close to the sun. It really is that if a planet is given the right conditions then things evolve. Humans on earth are a mere blip in an evolution line - a few million years and only a few 100,000 years for modern humans. Why did god create a singular world within those trillions of galaxies and 100M planets and take billions of years to do so? Also who created god?
>>541846933theists just assume God, because that's what their parents taught them when they were kids.
>>541849673Indoctrination's a bitch
>>541848862>put antropocentric reasoning into universe>get antropocentric resultsyou midwits never cease to amaze.Also UV ligh does not exist because human eye cannot see it and microbes are daemons.Also if god is something that created something from nothing who created god? inb4 some retarded screeching about god being there always.
>>541847603>Water can't make something slippery>Cold water can't make your drink coldHuh?
>>541849806>Human eye cannot see itHuh I guess wind is fake. Smell is fake. Sounds are fake.
>>541849668And what about all the different forces that had to be exact for particles to make atoms and then molecules?
>>541849612You believe so much in the certainty of your position
>>541849806>if god is something that created something from nothing who created god?Who created the conditions for nothing to be?Yet another chicken > egg conundrum.I cannot prove or quantify the nature of God, only that it as an entity of creation exists through the observables we have.
Dispair is a development of pride so great that it chooses one’s certitude rather than admit God is more creative than we are
>>541846933>niggers believe this happened by magicPointless slide thread, herb
>>541846933We actually have documented a situation where two galaxy-foci supermassive black holes collided, and the result was that one of them was shot off like a bullet, abandoning all the stars circling it in the depths of space.
>>541849875Yes these are all fake according to bible waving retards.
>>541847024No, we understand magnetic fields and solar wind just fine. We also understand the logical necessity of an Uncaused Cause, or as Aristotle put it, an Unmoved Mover. The alternative is Ex Nihilo, something from nothing, which there has never, ever been any evidence for, and yet there is daily evidence, even minute by minute evidence, of cause and effect.To be an atheist is actually the illogical, irrational position, because you are required to believe in Ex Nihilo, a thing for which there has never been any evidence. Atheists don't get to call religious people "crazy" - their own position is FAR more insane.
>>541849975>My position is "I'm not convinced">YOU BELIEVE SO MUCH IN THE CERTAINTY THAT YOURE NOT CONVINCEDyes? I guess. I'm fairly certain that I'm not convinced
>>541846933When you use the words "by chance" what the hell do you even mean by it? The magnetic field isn't there "by chance" there's a causal chain of events that explains it. Atheists don't believe things happened "by chance". Unless you mean something weird by it.
>>541847877>Anything provablesimpleDo you believe that you can live without the holy spirit for 10 minutes?clue number oneGod breathed the spirit into Adam's nostrils, and he became a living-soul. kids don't try this at home, Athiest here is going to demonstrate that he don't need no stinking holy spirit, he can survive without breathing for 10 minutes. No scuba tanks full of holy spirit, no snorkel. 10 whole minutes with no holy spirit. GO
>>541847064God didn't do that, we did, by doing things like incest and racemixing (which is included in "fornication"), both things that God forbids, precisely because they result in horrible birth defects and mutations.You don't get to blame God for shit WE do that He specifically told us NOT to do.
>>541846933CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS DAY IS COMING!!!https://youtu.be/Fak7iyu8U7YHere is a Spanish song translated to "For Columbus, For Columbus"https://youtu.be/Fak7iyu8U7YSi los gringos de America murieran,El Imperio volveria a reinar,Correria la sangre del mal,Como corren los rios al mar. (bis)Por Colon, Por Colon,Matare, matare a un gringo,Vengare, vengare a mi America,Con traje de luces mingo! (bis)The song ends with "Y Reina Isabel nos vera"
>>541850231No, you're just too arrogant to understand the worldview of the people you don't like. There is no necessity for a first cause as long as the possibility of eternity is there. Atheists don't have to assert "nothing" was once a thing. If the first cause is a necessity then it also applies to your god. Pic related.
>>541850264So atheists do believe in something
>>541850231You literwly belive Ex Nihilo about God. Ateist belives Nothing -> universe -> lifeYou beliveNothing -> God ->universe -> lifeThats not solving the problem thats just adding extra link.
>>541847568The majority are also idiots, imagine that
>>541847962>atheism is the lack of beliefagnostic is the lack of beliefan agnostic says, "I don't know, and I don't care"never hear a peep out of agnosticsatheist hate god, and can't shut up about how much they hate god. "If God is all powerful, why didn't he give me a play station 5" atheists are more devout than any other religion. they just have to spread the word"if there was a god I wouldn't be so fat"
the metals which create the field are composed of heavy elements, and heavy things tend to sink, so they're all clumped together in the core, thus creating this huge magnetic field. heckin' science.
>>541850304I kekd
>>541850612agnostic and atheist are the same thingif you disagree you're dumb
>>541850462No, no religion teaches that. God is the uncreated creator, or the uncaused cause. There's no "nothing" before God, because God is the eternal and the infinite. There was never a point at which God did not exist, so there's no "nothing" which predates God. Anything that's eternal has to be abstracted from time, it can't be within time. You can't view an ontological first as being within time because that would make time ontologically prior to it, whereas theology across the board states that the first cause is responsible for creating time.
>>541850612>I believe in middle eastern fairy tales>You believe there's not enough evidence to believe that's true>See? We both have religions
>>541848085Jewish fairytale to make the goy complacent.
I asked god many times to talk with me, if he dont care about me then i dont care about him either
>>541849806>who created god? >inb4 some retarded screeching about god being there always.That's pretty much the best argument they have.>We defined God as uncreated and always existing to get around the problem of infinite regress>Haha! Checkmate atheists!Interestingly the Buddhists say no one created the universe - it dies and is reborn stretching back into infinity, small "g" gods exist inside the universe and die and get reborn too.Aside from the gods part this aligns with certain current cosmological theories - that the big bang maybe wasn't a one time event but either part of a cycle of great expansions and contractions OR this universe will fizzle out and die from entropy but every black hole / singularity is a new universe being born.
>>541846933I'm in the bathtub and I just released my pee. Had that kinda achey feeling in my urethra like I was dehydrated
>>541850010>Yet another chicken > egg conundrum.an unfertilized egg, does not hatch into a chickenNot only does the creator of the chicken have to be there, but a rooster also has to cum first.
>>541850997Buddhists say that Sunyata is the grounds of existence, and Sunyata is compassion. They're monotheistic, in exactly the same way that Christians are, who state that God is Love. All theology converges on this point because it's logically necessary. Existence, Love, Good and Truth are all the same eternal and infinite principle that serves as the foundation for everything posterior to it.
>>541846933we live in a simulation.
>>541846933or you wouldnt existwell done macaqhue
>>541847534you're literally a gay faggot
>>541850997No respectable atheist debating these things will concede to the existence of 'nothing'. Even if you assert the big bang, you can still claim whatever existed before it was eternal. Whatever way you slice it, you're on equal footing with the religious person.
>>541850739>agnostic and atheist are the same thingnostic means knowledgeagnostic means lacking knowledgecongratulations you are a little bit smarter nowadmitting that you lack knowledgeis a big stepnow read a book, you know the one i'm talking about.No need to thank me, all glory be to God
>>541847024Supernatural deity is the x in the equation. It's purely a mathematical conclusion. You just need to solve for x, and the resulting formula may be incomplete but it's as close to God as a mortal can get. Atheists assume x is zero, and thus they reach wrong conclusions like men being women, babies being clumps of cells, all of it mass extinction tier beliefs, it's just the wrong religion, is all.
>>541846933>god gave our planet a magnetic field to protect us>but he also made the solar wind that we need protection from couldn't god have just made it so that we weren't being bombarded by cosmic particles?
>>541850462>Nothing -> God ->universe -> lifeit's just a more comforting way to say "I don't know"
>>541851089Huh?I think you have your terms mixed up.Sunyata is the inherent emptiness of existence. Everything is subject to change, there's no unchanging eternal "platonic" essence/identity behind things. Things don't exist in-and-of themselves separately from anything else - their identity and existence is defined in relation to other things.Buddhist say that compassion for all living beings is the logical response to realizing sunyata.I wouldn't say it's monotheistic or the grounds for all existence
>>541848153>Golden Age Fallacy
>>541849217Or until evidence convincing enough comes along
>>541846933No we don't "believe" it happened by chance. Religiods on the other hand literally "believe" it all happened by some sky Jew daddy waving his hands about for 6 days and saying "let there be light".
>>541850413Correct. No one said atheist don't have beliefs
>>541851464
>still having this argument You’re idiots, both sides.
>>541846933how do magnetic fields work?
>>541847900Challenge accepted
>>541850762Thats just Ex Nihilo with smoke and mirrors, anon.
>>541846933damn you're right, must have been an eternal all knowing entity that only concerns itself with humans on earth
>>541851543>god gave our planet a magnetic field to protect usThat's not just a magnetic field, it's a freakin tokamak. Scientists have been trying to make one for over 50 years with no success.God made ours eons ago, and it's still fully operational, and the best part, it's powered by those solar winds. >couldn't god have just made it so that we weren't being bombarded by cosmic particles?the bible says "fear not" 365 timesyou're safe inside the tokomakit protects you from what's out therebut it also means you're trapped herethose cosmic particles are sunlightand there would be no life on earth without them.
>>541846933If god created everything, why did he make the sun eject 1.5 million tons of material into space every second, and therefore require to create earth with a magnetic field to protect it from said material?Could he simply have made the sun not eject millions of tonnes of material per second? Ya know, since he was the all-powerful creator and such?
>>541847024christcucks reeling from this trvke
>>541851464You are retardeda-gnostic means a(without)gnostic(knowledge)a-theist means a(without)theist(belief in gods)Talking about knowledge is meaningless here. Everyone is without 'pure knowledge'. It's a whole different debate. If you lack belief in gods you are an atheist. This is regardless on your opinion on what knowledge is. I don't need to say i'm agnostic whenever I make any statement of belief "I believe this tree exists" "I believe I enjoy chips". Your 'agnostic' bullshit is superfluous.Atheist and agnostic are the same thing in the context of belief in god. You're welcome.
>>541850762Time is a conceptual measurement of repetitions. If the universe had no repetitions time couldn't exist.
>>541846933When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
>>541846933Christians elect and protect pedophiles.
>>541853172How do flat-earthers deal with the following point? If we could demonstrate empirically that our planet is flat this would prove the existence of god since the only way to make sense of it is through some magic miracle. This means faith for god would no longer be necessary since it would be demonstrated by science that god exists. But isn't the whole point of religion to "have faith"? Can your god survive if faith is no longer required?
>>541848260>Now explain to me how the empirically driven evidence based atheist has come to the scientifically demonstrable conclusion that there is no possibility of anything resembling godWhich atheists say that there’s absolutely no possibility of god? You guys are just constantly making shit up lmao nobody says god is impossible
>>541846933There's so many planets in the universe that we can't understand the concept. An estimated 400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets. We are here because as of now we are the only planet that contains life. All other 399,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 planets to our knowledge don't have these conditions. We think it's a miracle because we are here living in it but in reality we are just the only (known) planet to just by chance align to have enough conditions to support life and life that has sustained billions of years for evolution.
>>541849529your big coomer cock is so big that i imagine myself fucking your dickhole with my normal sized cock filling your prostate with my cum so that you will ejaculate my cum into your next hole as if your my cum parcel hence cucking you.
>>541852584>the bible says
Thank you Lord for creating a shield to protect us from the deadly solar wind you created
>>541852864No. He(?) also couldn't have made explicit contact and performed undeniable miracles during the 100 year window between the invention of the camera and the invention of AI videos that devalue all recorded evidence. Weird considering how a hi def public display of power in the early 2000s would be televised and undeniable.No instead send the message in the middle east via jew.
>>541853384>Which atheists say that there’s absolutely no possibility of god?The gnostic ones. See>>541852312
>>541847024>it’sRetard
>>541846933>christcucks believe god will stop little girls from being raped
>>541846933Looking into quantum physics, where subaromic particles aren't even in any place unless if directly observed is proof enough that God exists and designed the Universe. That would be illogical if it occurred on a basis of purely random chance.
>>541847155Now explain the evidence shows that we are at the center of the universe or very close to it?
>>541850221>>541849806>>541849875What cannot be experienced with the 5 senses has to have a test or technology that can take an input and transform that input into something our 5 senses can experience. The correct criticism of such endevors is how do you know the explaination for the test/technology is valid and its results observational and not standardized? For example DNA test uses light shined on a sample to GUESS whether a "dna" sequence was an "A", "T", "G", or "C"(it didnt actually find atgc it measured how much light was able to pass through if the test where a "how much light passed through" test it would be valid but the claim it is for finding "dna" sequences which thats not true), which it then compiles thousands of "dna" combinations that then the scientist chooses to be the "correct" sequence (standardized into exisitance not from pure observation). Its all fake garbage and no one will admit it due to years invested in study and incomes.
>>541846933>atheists believe this happened by chance.picrel
>>541853592the gnostic/agnostic dichotomy is retarded as I explained earlierif you think this has any relevance to the discussion you're dumb
>>541853812>Looking into quantum physics, where subaromic particles aren't even in any place unless if directly observed is proof enough that God exists and designed the UniverseOr we're in a simulation and it only renders when a player character observes something to save computing power
>>541853812>subaromic particles aren't even in any place unless if directly observedAny physical interaction with the environment counts as an observation, not just a human eye.>is proof enough that God existsOr a place holder because you don't know why it does what it does
>>541854007>the gnostic/agnostic dichotomy is retardedNot really. It makes perfect sense. If you think it doesn't have any relevance to the discussion you're dumb
>>541846933>"Look how perfectly that meteor landed in that crater, do you think that is coincidence!?!?"
>>541846933Imagine seeing these incredible cosmic forces at work to protect your life so you can be ripped out of your mothers bleeding womb by a predator and eaten alive while screaming.God is so good.
>>541854126Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?If you know, how can you prove it? Is there no chance the senses you rely on as a human being are deceiving you?The idea that humans have to preface everything we say with 'agnostic' is retarded. You either have a belief in god or you don't.
>>541846933It’s not chance per se but that if it didn’t happen you wouldn’t be here to notice
>>541854206>Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?Agnostic about what exactly? The screen existing, me looking at it or both?>>541854206>You either have a belief in god or you don't.I lack belief until evidence convinces me enough. That's agnostic atheism. Gnostic atheism is the hard stance that God or gods don't exist, never did and never will. A positive assertion with knowledge
>>541846933It did, because when destruction prevails there is no observer to articulate feeling lucky. If we could reach more places, you'd feel even more lucky, because destruction primarily prevails.
>>541846933yeah, must have clearly been the work of some old dude in the sky
>>541853172>>541853337The speed at which the sun moves is slower at 42N than at the equator, however at 42S the sun speed is the same as 42N both being slower than at the equator. It is impossible for the earth to be flat as that would result in the sun moving faster than the equator at 42S as the radius of the point on the circle to the center increases so will its linear velocity. Unless you want to shit your pants and say the sun revolves around earth ok why the fuck would it speed up and slow down according to where you are on the planet. Like fuck you have to be low IQ to think the earth is flat.
>>541847155>Youve got your logic backwards. The chances of winning he lottery are low, but someone WILL win.There is no guarantee that an atheist universe would ever produce life, even if you believe 100% of the Big Bang and evolution propaganda.And plenty of lotteries have no winner. Powerball only has a winner about 50% of the time.
>On the first day god created light and called light day and darkness night>On the fourth day god created the SunBADABUM TSSS ...
>>541854540>atheist universeWhat is that?
>>541854329>Agnostic about what exactly? The screen existing, me looking at it or both?The question is simple. Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?>I lack belief until evidence convinces me enough.Yea then you're simply an atheist because you lack belief in god.>That's agnostic atheism. Gnostic atheism is the hard stance that God or gods don't exist, never did and never will. A positive assertion with knowledgeNo. The gnostic/agnostic dichotomy is an irrelevant framing. You can use it for everything, that's why I'm asking about the screen. A discussion on the nature of absolute knowledge and what does it mean to 'know' is a discussion about the human condition in general. It doesn't make sense to restrict this to this one belief - god belief. That's why it's pointless to employ this framing when the discussion is much simpler than that. Do you have a belief in god (theist) or not (atheist).No point muddying it by smuggling in terms related to a different topic altogether (how the human condition dictates knowledge).You've been psyoped into using these terms.
>>541854602>the ancients were aware of the big bang evident in the cosmic radiation backgroundatheism puritans truly are subhuman cattle
>>541854648>The gnostic/agnostic dichotomy is an irrelevant framing.I simply disagree. >>541854648>It doesn't make sense to restrict this to this one belief - god beliefI'm not. Of course it can extend to other topics based on context. In this context, we're talking about atheismWhich the definition is disbelief (gnostic) or lack of belief (agnostic) in God or gods.
>>541854520That's why I said flat-earth being real implies a miracle which implies god. So if flat-earth was real then god would be empirically proven which would make faith itself obsolete. How does their god survive in this scenario if faith is no longer a thing?
>>541847155the lottery is a system created with a consistent architecture by a sentient being you fucking DUMBASS
>>541854751If you were so sure about your position you would have answered the question instead of dodging it twice.
>>541846933Yeah they are delusional. So many things had to go just right for us to exist at all. Almost like some...guiding hand did it.
>>541847343Good goy you explained something to a Jew.
>>541853851We aren't? And it's the Anthropic Principle. An advanced lifeform will only ever observe a universe from a point that allows the development of advanced life. It's not a case of "look how improbable this even is!" because it's actually highly probable that an advanced lifeform exists on a planet that is highly habitable. The same with the laws of physics, laws that cannot produce a stable universe that coalesces into stars, galaxies and planets will never be observable by a sentient lifeform. So the range of possible physical laws will be constrained on that basis.
>>541854812Apply that to yourself when I asked for clarification >>541854329>Agnostic about what exactly? The screen existing, me looking at it or both?Details and context matters
Being a gaytheist takes more faith than just being religious btw.
>>541854520>What is parallaxOk dimwit
It didn't happen "by chance". The properties of the materials that form stars and the planets that form around them with the excess matter create the magnetic field.
>>541846933The sun is small and local
>>541854775No just because a miracle did not take place does not mean god does not exist. God existing or not us something humans cannot disprove. It is literally unfalsifiable thats why its called a belief. No amount of effort will disprove something that is unfalsifiable.
>>541847343>I think that's correct.Based on what
>>541847490For some reason your comment made me think of EVA.
>>541846933>>541847155The one singular event that caused the lottery event: Theia crashing into Earth.It didn't happen by chance. It was Aliens.
>>541846933Chriggers believe that kike god is the supreme one
>>541846933Wow look at that, the life sustaining planet with a magnet field continues to do its thing. Maybe the next mystery we can solve is how the student that studies also performs well on his exam. What are the chances? I think it is a blessing from god? The retarded child always fails because he is being tested
>>541854775>If god's existence were proved, people would stop believing in godnigga you dum
>>541848862Special oy vey pleading
>>541846933Every year, billions of gallons of water falls from the sky. My umbrella protects me from all of it.
>>541846933The probability is higher compared to muh invisible sky daddy you child
>>541854977>Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?Anyone who is honest about their worldview and sure of it can give a simple answer without 'asking for clarification'. There's nothing to clarify. You're just dodging.>>541855203>NoNo to what?If the earth was flat it would break everything we know, it would be a literal miracle. If there's empirical evidence of a miracle then there's empirical evidence of god.What about these statements are you disagreeing with?
>>541855464>I can't fathom the distinction between empirical belief and faith-based beliefMust be nice to have certain ideas go over your head and call them 'dum'. How is life at 90 iq?
>>541846933It shoots sun cum
>>541855653>How is life at 90 iq?Igk but probably feels like living in a Russian potato serfdom aka BelarusWould people stop praying ?No. In fact, every atheist would run to churchSee how stupid you are ?
>>541855594>are you agnostic about it?>Anyone who is honest about their worldview and sure of it can give a simple answerOK, I'll wait for the simple answer to my clarifying question.
>>541846933You mean the firmament.
>>541846933If this shit exists, why can't I fly and shoot energy beams out of my hands? Why the fuck not?
>>541855922Would they go to church? One of the central virtues of Christianity is having Faith. Faith is the way for the Christian to receive grace and salvation.>"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.">"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.">"a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ."So how is Christiainty going to make any sense in that scenario where god is proven to be true through empirical-based belief? Faith-based belief becomes obsolete and invalidates a huge part of what it means to be Christian.Maybe you're not as smart as you think you are?>>541855998You're a coward. Go hide little guy.
>>541855594There already is an "imperical" miracle, its just how retarded you are jfc. There is no flat earth.
>>541856263>You're a coward.About what? I've already told you my position.
>>541856263>how is Christiainty going to make any sense in that scenario where god is proven to be trueLmao you're dumb as fuckWhat do you think would happen to Christianity if god revealed himself ?You think that the second coming of Jesus would make Christians stop being religious ?Bro you're unironically dumb as fuck
>>541847550Darwin's cousin developed eugenics. You whi claim to be atheist yet don't practice eugenics are frauds who don't follow your own religion.
>>541856350You keep dodging this question>Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?You keep replying to me for over 5 times now while constantly dodging it. You are dishonest, a coward, a liar. You should feel ashamed and yet you keep replying for whatever reason. What's the point?>>541856297Did I say there was? "Imperical"? Guys I don't think I'm smart but you should feel honored for talking to me. I don't think any of your iqs is above 80.
>>541846933haha those atheistsi rather live my life according to hebrew lore
>>541846933Modern Atheism in its nihilistic form is the spiritual bastard of Christianity. Christianity in its intolerance destroyed the native Paganism of the west that would have much better meshed with scientific discoveries of the 18th and 19th century; a spirituality based on natural law bolstered by scientific evidence of man's ascent through his participation in the evolutionary struggle for life.
>>541856511>You keep replying to me for over 5 times now while constantly dodging it.Asking for clarification isn't dodging. Refusing to give it, is. >You are dishonest, a coward, a liarYou're spiraling like a leftist >You should feel ashamed Why? Asking for clarification?
>>541856398So you are basically claiming that faith is unnecessary in Christianity while calling me dumb.You are literally incapable of critical thought and to distinguish between empirical-based belief and faith-based belief.Go ask your priest if faith is unnecessary in Christianity, retard.Here, eat this:>And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him: Hebrews 11:6Have a nice one, retard.
>>541856684No "clarification" is required. Once I provide "clarification" you will simply ask for more and more clarification in order to keep dodging. The question is simple.>Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?I can give a simple yes or no answer to this and so can anyone who is acting in good faith. I can elaborate on my answer as well and go in-depth about it. It's not a problem whatsoever.Because I'm honest about my beliefs and you're just some sophist weasel dodging and dodging for 5+ replies. Why would you do that in an anonymous board though? What's the point? You should feel ashamed for being so dishonest and dodging for so long. Coward.
>>541856689No, explain>Christians go to church and pray to god because they think god is real>God is proven to be true>Christians do what ?Do they decide to stop being Christians because it makes no sense to go to church if god is obviously real (lmao) ?It's a simple question
>>5418469336 planet has magnetosphere, Earth is special for a different reason.
>>541847064Bad things happen because of original sin. Humanity chose that and babies go to heaven. Humanity also chooses to pump the environment and ourselves full of chemicals that cause birth defects
>>541846933>I threw a handful of rocks at an empty bottle and one of them went perfectly through the opening and landed inside>you believe this happened by chance!? ATHIEST!
>>541856854I was the one asking the question but, as usual, you dishonest shitheads can't engage in good faith and answer a question. All you want to do is reframe and dodge and ask your own question instead. It's so dishonest. I wasn't even trying to do a gotcha but I guess I did judging from your gay reactions.I will show you the kindness you didn't show me by answering your question just because I feel like it.Yes, Christianity as you know it would no longer make sense without Faith as a core pillar of it. It would either implode and be replaced with a belief in a different deity (flat-earth being real proves god but it doesn't prove the Christian god) or it would be reformed so that the emphasis in having faith would be diminished and put to the side somehow. The current form that Christianity has would implode for sure because a lot of scripture would become completely meaningless.>For by grace you have been saved through faith: Ephesians 2-8
>>541857521Lol you're retarded>Christians: We pray to god because he exists>Science (hypothetically): Why, you know he DOES exist, we can prove it beyond doubt>Christians (according to you): NOOOOOOOOOTop kek retardThey'd say "we knew it already"There are Christians having public debates where they try to prove to Atheists god is EVIDENTLY realYou're retarded
>>541847024Religion is a trick where women are fascinated by chad's ability to lie to Incels and the incels actually believe it.
>>541857750>There are Christians having public debates where they try to prove to Atheists god is EVIDENTLY realYea and they are retarded. Let me guess you think someone like Andrew Wilson or Jay Dyer are the peak of Christian intellect?Anyone who fails to acknowledge that belief in the Christian god demands faith and is not something to be empirically demonstrated is a retard. You have a science based mind and you are coping about it by pretending you can reach your god through empiricism when your whole belief system demands faith.Stop listening to retarded meme debaters. Kierkegaard is the top soldier for Christianity. He already solved this problem long ago. You can choose to do a leap of faith and be a Christian, there is nothing I can say about that from the empiricist atheist point of view. When you reject faith you are no longer a Christian.
>>541846933>THE MICRONOVA IS COMING!
>>541857750When in the dark night of suffering sagacity cannot see a handbreadth ahead of it, then faith can see God, since faith sees best in the dark.Animosities aside, look into it. You will enjoy it.
>>541846933lol no it doesn't The earth does not a have 'magnetic field' nor a 'dynamo'.Solar wind is actually pretty weak, the magnetosphere AMPLIFIES solar wind. Not stop it.There is no such thing as a 'tropical year' either.
>>541847064>but think about the childrensatanic
>>541847024Everything was "supernatural" to the ancient retards that can't into tech. Even a lighter is magic to them. Touchscreens would make you a god.Fly a plane? Even more so.
>>541854644reality
>>541847024Hey you're an American, you shouldn't be able to put a proper sentence together that contains more than twelve syllables in total never mind make complete sense.Innit.
>>541847064>Thinks layers of hell are limited to outside of earth"I'm making a list checking it twice, gonna send this soul back to suffer real nice"
>>541846933Nah. I believed it happened because the earth is full of molten metal spinning really fuckin' fast.
>>541858056>Let me guess you think someone like Andrew Wilson or Jay Dyer are the peak of Christian intellect?No I'm talking about Craig, Dembski, Lennox etc you dumb fuck, what Andrew WilsonHe's the Professor Dave of right wingLet me guess, you think "Professor" Dave is cool
>>541848490hitler was an atheist and didnt believe in faggotry, unlike the anglican church having gay lesbian bishops
>>541847855Nothing like a moron who tries to impress people, naming a bunch of works that he probably hasn't even read himself.
>>541858452Hitler wasn't an Atheist, he just didn't like the church. He associated Atheists with commies.
>>541856854>>541858056"Kierkegaard is the top soldier for Christianity."Very strongly agreed. It's a shame that you two don't seem to understand each other. You're arguing over words, not over each other's real spirit.
>>541847024Atheists believe life on Earth started at random from "primordial soup". Meteor craters filled with water and random organic molecules sitting under the sun.
>>541858650So? What's the problem?
>>541858681It's the opposite of entropy.
>>541858768It really is not unless you're so retarded you don't understand what entropy even means
>>541857056Close, but you are looking at the wrong thing.I have been through close to 3000 datasets and ever seen anything close to a 'dynamo'. I cal calculate the 57 000nt EXTERNALLY. Magic Furnace theorists can't do that. This is a chart of ANOMALY for ground station magnetometers (global mean)2007 360 339.82592007 361 474.67472007 362 337.45862007 363 338.41262007 364 216.62922007 365 375.6635That is a 375nt in one day. March 31st 2001 was 350… but no storm… why? Because scientist are retard.d
>>541847384>No dummy>>541847475>mentally retarded.>>541847499>midwits>>541847607>intellectually lazy>>541848063>No dummy,>>541848271>retard>>541848839>the fools>>541848912>Retard>>541849288>retards>>541849335>retardedMatthew 5:21-2221 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
>>541858768Bro the universe is only around 14 billion years old. We expect stars to keep forming for another 100 trillions years.
>>541854960Now explain the axis of evil.
>>541859221Cool, can I see your math.
>>541856844>No "clarification" is requiredAgree to disagree
>>541858302Kek yup
>>541859110>feelings hurt
>>541859376You want me to go through all of thermodynamics for you or something? Be reasonable.
>>541858428>>541858627What I'm trying to convey is that belief in the Christian god relies on faith. Faith is transcendental by definition and goes beyond empiricism. Demonstrating god's existence through empiricism is a pointless endeavor.Our empirical understanding of reality is prone to change but faith is this solid unchanging dimension that goes beyond the material itself. As an atheist I can respect a random Christian who does a leap of faith but I can't respect one who is attempting to operate under the materialistic paradigm. Those people are just atheistic in spirit. I believe most flat earthers only do it because they want to prove god through empiricism which defeats the whole purpose. By embracing faith your position becomes much more commendable.
>>541852973>I believeIt's a miracle
>>541859434You spent the whole thread dodging this simple question>Do you know that you are looking at a screen right now or are you agnostic about it?It is what it is. Your worldview is weak and you're a coward.
