How come nobody told me that there was two forms of Judaism? The one that Christ fought and the new one...
>>541858751A very special thank you to this fagot for making me realize that there was two forms of Judaism
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>>541858828As a bit of an Aside "they" always say Jesus was circumcised but if you spend anytime interrogating that claim, it looks like its from some injected book written later by a guy that probably never even met Jesus. So its just weird they injected the concept of circumcision I guess, but anyone that says "well jesus was circumcised" I immediately peg as something different like a jew worshipping evangelical, mason, or crypto jew hidden in the goyim.
>>541858751You were told, numerous times. But the bad actors, especially atheists (read: Talmudic jews) live in the grey margins and pretend they don't know the difference. Moreover, they accuse Christianity of being (Talmudic) jewish.Remember, literally every single atheist, pagan and agnostic is actually a talmudic jew trying to gaslight you away from your faith. No matter how much they denigrate their own religion, if someone is trying to tear Christianity down or hold it responsible for what the talmuds did, they are jews without exception.
>>541858751your own fault for not studyingthe ones who don't believe in the talmud are called Karaite jews and most jews don't think they're real jews.still though, you have one that killed Jesus, and the other that rapes babies, so both suck
Deities don't exist, the supernatural doesn't exist, zombie jews with magic powers don't exist. There's nothing sadder than an "adult" talking to imaginary beings in his head.
>>541860065In this text the Disciples ask is circumcision good or not? as if this is debatable in the time frame of jeudaism. As if theres a large enough faction of jews in Israel alive with Jesus questioning this as dabatable..Then to come back into the bible, a bad actor, long after jesus death. Bury this text and say "lol Im the other peter...Jesus was circumcised by the pharisee"...Whole thing feels off.. But if you dont believe in Jesus this is not blasphemy to subvert the new testament in an attempt to lead the flock to worship jews. Jesus becomes a conduit for "Jew" worship. THREE those that say "jesus was circumcised" and leave it at that are either knowing in their subversion or just into Jesus very superficially.
>>541860700this isn't the base reality, I am pretty much certain of that, but I make no claims about what the base reality actually is. There are intelligent entities outside of this base reality that can interact it with it, and I think some are benevolent and some malevolent, but again I claim no special knowledge regarding their actual nature. These entities are behind the "UFO" phenomenon by the way. Pic related is one theory/interpretation, I'm not saying I totally agree with it.
>>541858751The ones today are the descendants of the pharisee.
>>541860806At first they were like there's this new thing were calling "Christian Nationalism" That sounds like Far right wing white terrorism? But then they were like AHKTUALLY were the real Christians as Ultra Zionist Jew worshippers at the mega church and the meaning of Jesus is actually Jew worship..This feels very reminiscent of the times of Jesus.
What happened 40 years before 70 a.d.?It is incredible that the Talmud itself will make a note of the fact that their rituals just immediately stopped working when Jesus Christ had resurrected.It is incredible that within one generation, Judaism was abolished and unable to be practiced anymore with the destruction of the temple, lineages, and having no more prophets.Almost like Jesus Christ was the true fulfillment and God wanted the Church Jesus left behind, to take over.
>>541858751>>541858828Rabbinical Judaism (i.e., the “New Judaism”) developed out of Pharisaism. Pro-tip: The Pharisees are the bad guys in the Gospels. The Sadducees (temple sacrifice “Old Judaism” types) are also portrayed negatively in the Gospels.
>>541860198They never stopped doing sacrifice. Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln was well after the temple was destroyed. Shove your Christcuck cope where it belongs.
>>541861687Read descriptions of Jews from 4,000 years ago. Nothing changed. You're just a fucking retard.
>>541861486Also theyre like Temple 1 Temple 2 then Temple 3..When theres some linguistic slip ups the exodus was written way after moses larping as if it was written while the exodus is occurring. In that light I start questioning if Solomon is even real or If any of the temples are build by him or the Jews. Or theyre just larping at Pagan temples like what Islam did with the Meccah. Not saying the Concepts of Solomon are not related to something important enough to have staying power and to LARP in the community. Just are jews reliable? if they kind of LARP'd the exodus writings after the facts?
>>541861780I agree with you, but you’re going too fast to actually persuade someone like OP.I’m all for basedposting just understand you are essentially “preaching to the choir.” You have to be more careful if you want to get through to someone who doesn’t already agree with you.
>>541858751American jews are definitely the worst psyop agents.
>>541861813Day 1 christianity is to go into the church and get LARP'D at about the bible and how it must have been written in a single hour by the hand of GOD, therefore its a monolithic text.Then you immediately start noticing all of the plot hole and contradictions and reject the whole thing and become an atheist goth girl or anton levay. its like watching 15 IQ people debate 10 IQ people.But one noticed contradictions is the moral of the story of the Tower of babylon then it switches gears to the Monolith of Temple. The Ziggurat of Solomon. As if shitting on and adopting the concept simultaneously.
>>541861813It could be written after and not change the core events or meanings. Much of the ancient world used an exaggerated numbering system for example. The claim that around a million Israelites escaped from Egypt is clearly overstated as was typical for many ancient writers. What has support is that there is evidence that Israelites were present in Egypt and left.Names and lineages of the major figures also very likely accurate as the Jews were very particular with these records (and may be why God chose them to carry the message until Christ). Just read 1 Chronicles. Roles in their society were based on lineages and taken seriously.
>>541862515>Day 1 christianity is to go into the church and get LARP'D at about the bible and how it must have been written in a single hour by the hand of GOD, therefore its a monolithic text.No one is claiming this. It is well understood that the Bible is a collection of books written across over a thousand years by many authors.As far as plot holes, I'm not sure what you are referring to. They are what you would expect a collection of texts to be written across so many people and styles across a millennium.
>>541862665>It could be written after and not change the core events or meaningsYes, but there is definitely the attempt to make it look written from various perspectives that isnt the authors. Thats not 100% truthful, since in truth you would just start "so thousand years ago...and this is the story of our peoples" or something.
>>541862805Every Church Ive been to its introduced as the monolithic book written by God and those that leave the church are pointing at plot holes and contradictions and think theyre questioning the word of God and abandon Christianity.
>>541858751Rabbinic judaism already existed at the time of Christ, every time He rebukes the Pharisees, that's modern rabbinic jews
>>541858751Judeo was made to combat Christian.
>>541862891The books are written by different authors. You would need to pick one so we can have a discussion. The Book of Jonah for example was likely written purely to be taken as a story.The Letter to the Ephesians and other epistles are literally letters to other members of the Church within a few decades after Christ, meant to be taken as instruction.The Book of Genesis was even by St.Augustine, in the 4th century, said to largely have been written as allegory.I don't mean this offensively, but describing this all to be LARP'ing is showing low familiarity with what the Bible even is.
>>541858751Every non-Christian is a slave of Talmudic Rabbinism.
BASED OLD JEWDAISM SO WHOLESOME
>>541863212That picture was David Koresh. That is a man that took the bible to be the whole word of God and read you get to have 15 year old wives as many as you want in the old testament. As far as choosing a topic. I chose the Circumcision of Jesus: true or untrue? Cited by the 1 sentence suggesting this in the new testament and the heretical texts of the gospel of Thomas.
>>541863019Then go to a Catholic Church which is the Church founded by Christ in Matthew 16:18. There is a Catechism that lays out the beliefs as built upon by the Church in the last 2000 years. What you are likely experiencing is the 40,000+ Protestant denominations that blew out of the Reformation about 500 years ago where every pastor just freestyles their own interpretation.If you are interested in what Catholics actually have codified in the Catechism, there is a good series on Youtube where a priest explains each part of it. You can just search for the topics and days you are interested in:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI-pOSv7tvg
>>541858751Wait till you hear about Jesus’ christianity and Nicene’s creed christianity kek
>>541863391This man is the result of the Protestant reformation which sees the Bible as a book that can be quote mined and interpreted by anyone in a way that suits them. The Reformation started off with legitimate criticisms of the Catholic Church but very quickly devolved in a multiplying number of denominations that made everyone think they were God and ultimately culminated in the reactionary culture we see today.See: >>541863419
>>541863391Also fucking kids and cutting off your peepee..Absolute bible maxxing and practicing a right to freedom of association in religion. Guaranteed by the circumcision from day 1...Prosecution of Epstein is unconstitutional and Antisemitic.
>>541858751>The sacrifice system vanishedlmao
>>541863419I went to the catholic church and they just did witchey shit where they burned incense spoke in latin tongues and I did stand up sit down stand up kneel in unison and repitition. I found nothing. Then wrote that Gospel of Thomas quote in their log books. Sitting alone and praying in the empty church I think I got a message like a fortune cookie: It said go out and divide them like I told you to.
>>541863605Since Epstein Practiced the Bible and was sacrificed in prison. Theres some comparison to the Moschiach.. But Man said pick a topic. So Jesus addressed both and said if god wants you circumcised u would have been born that way. He also said whoever causes a little one to stumble should have a millstone on his neck and thrown into the ocean. NOT turn the other cheek which almost every denomination Ive seen harps on this Jesus said turn the other cheek narrative so he can slap you twice.
>>541858828nonsense the significant schism happen after alexander conquered jerusalemreal about "hellenized jews" (which is the actual origin of talmud) also, you don't need to reinvent Judaism because og the lost temple, you just regress back the pre-temple covenant
>>541858751>How come nobody told me that there was two forms of Judaism?There is another third option. Called Orthodox Judaism.
>>541864788Nigga that's Rabbinic judaism
>>541860198I believe this
>>541864699>Revert back to the Covenant. Is this circumcision? the 3 letters across your body that spell out Baal Hadaad or EL SHADDAI? This sounds like Nebuchadnezzar LARP...Since Child hood trauma MKULTRA. If you got a bunch of slaves you dont want them to have any connection to memories prior to circumcision because it gives them religious power. You want them to be securely locked in with child hood trauma and repressed memory and dedicated to the realm of materialism. In some Kabbalah interpretations you can say Oh they had those gods in the pagan mystery religions too. They were called the Chernobog and Belobog. The many faces of God. What is the monster that eats the peepee? He is the peepee monster?
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if you're white and unironically believe you are ethnically related to judeans or hebrews and that you are part of some divine prophecy you need to be slapped in the teeth
>>541863801The Gospel of Thomas is not a secret book that was removed because it was inconvenient. None of the early Church Fathers even mention it in their letters or discourse. The names used in it do not match what was found in Judea at the time. Clearly written centuries after the fact.You were not shaking anyone's faith by writing it down. They would have just thought you were lost.
>>541865724Gospel of Thomas was in the Nag Hammadi horde..Its like a list of banned twitter tweets by Jesus along with other banned books. The Gospel of Thomas is straight gas. No intent to shake anyones faith, just in hopes the guy that runs that church and dedicates his life might read it and say TF is this? Sometimes I just do how I feel without much rhyme or reason.
>>541865724I dont know TF u write in there. A favorite Jesus quote? or I am a traveller I have been to this church...Send me money and a castle...2/13/2023
>>541860198>agnosticThe people that refuse to talk about religion are tearing down religion? Fucking hell, get your head checked.
>>541865938Part of it were found in other places. Believe it or not but people were still making copies until around 900 as an intellectual curiosity. Very close to the original source material.
>>541865724There is a lot of confusion with the infancy gospel of Thomas. As soon as it was mentioned it got condemned. Can't really discuss the less controversial gospel with the same name when it keeps getting shouted down.
>>541865387>In some Kabbalah interpretations you can say Oh they had those gods in the pagan mystery religions too. They were called the Chernobog and Belobog. The many faces of God.talmudism is about seeking the ontological absolute of cosmic primordialism.The Four Noble : Tree hit head, create profound existential ouch.Samudaya: Craving big rock cause spiritual suffering.Nirodha: Put down rock, extinguish ego-fire.Magga: The Eightfold Path of the righteous grunt.The Path to Neo-Paleolithic AwakeningRight Grunt: Vocalize only absolute, unadulterated cosmic truths.Right Smash: Apply physical force with mindfulness.Anicca: The mammoth is impermanent.Anatta: There is no "me" who hunts; there is only the hunt hunting itself.Nirvana: The total cessation of the prehistoric meat-suit.May your inner fire-pit burn bright, yet remain entirely empty. Unga, therefore, bunga.
>>541865938The date of the Gospel of Thomas ranges between ~150-400 AD, at least a century after the other gospels. Frankly, just by reading it you can tell that it is not canon. It only appeals to contrarians and Muslims who have already made up their mind about wanting anything against the Catholic church to be false.As far as doing things without rhyme or reason, I don't believe that. What you described sounded like you genuinely wanted to feel a connection to God and simply weren't getting it, and writing what you did was a quiet way of expressing that frustration.I can't really convince you over a few words online, especially here where everyone is always so hostile, but I would encourage you to keep searching and maybe getting a more detailed understanding of what the two thousand year old church that Christ founded, actually believes and teaches. Everything is fleshed out and has meaning. There is a podcast that I would recommend here if you are interested, if not, I wish you all the best, and that God will find you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW0gXbEVYgA
>>541858782>but one passage in Romans read improperly...chapter and verse?
>>541858751I've been reading up on whatever I can. The ancient Levant is a weird fucking place. There are these people called the Samaritans (yes those ones), there are still 1000 or so of them today. They believe in a really jew-like religion... the Torah (with some subtle differences). But for them, god lives on a totally different mountain. It used to have a temple too (though they now deny it ever had one). They are not Talmudists, not even a little. Israeli jews deny that they even are jews at all. The Samaritans still do animal sacrifice once a year on their mountain.I can't say for certain if Herr Addy would have considered them jews, but they're sort of anathema to regular kikes (to the point that they are sometimes spat on just like jews like to do to Christians). Reading about them makes it clear to me that the idea that the people in Israel 2000 years ago aren't the same people who call themselves jews today isn't just christcuck cope, there's something to it.
>>541866576Thanks for the response. That all seems fire. >>541866673I think the gospel of Thomas is fire. I'd imagine real recognizes real. What the 130 CE date means: This date does not refer to when the words were spoken, but rather to the earliest possible year a scribe physically wrote down one of the surviving Greek scrap copies we have dug up.I dunno I thought it was fire. Theres no proof its all true, I guess. If you say "that is not the true teachings of Jesus and theres no evidence. Then there is no argument in the evidence.
>>541866546You can read everything written by the Church Fathers or Desert Fathers, and find that none of them found the Gospel of Thomas to be canon or authentic. It is only Muslims and Reddit-tier atheists that try to make it seem like it was removed in the medieval ages or Renaissance by the Church. It was heretical from the very beginning. It's astounding that even with all the evidence we have today, people still make it out to be some secret book.Here you can read atheist Bible historians lay out the evidence:https://www.bartehrman.com/gospel-of-thomas/
>>541865724>The Gospel of Thomas is not a secret book that was removed because it was inconvenient.If inconvenience were enough to get a book removed, there wouldn't be a Book of Mark either. Mark is so wildly different than the other 3 gospels, it's hard to describe to people who haven't actually read it. We all think we know the story (how could we not? it permeates western civilization and thought... there are a dozen mainstream movies that many of us have watched, and countless other media besides), but Mark is just fucking bizarre. It's why the Catholics were so against people reading the bible themselves... most who read it end up becoming some sort of gnostic heretics.
>>541867099There is evidence, because you had the entire Christian community at the time assemble the texts that were true. These were not random people that got together, these were students of the very apostles of Jesus, and their students. They spent their lives under the people that lived and followed Jesus and were in the position to validate and invalidate the texts that were floating around at the time.If the Gospel of Thomas were true we would expect to see it, first in the Bible, since it was floating around for at least a century before the canon was compiled, and two at least some mention of it by the fathers of the Church.If you think it is "fire", you have to ask yourself why you think that a book rejected by the students of the direct followers of Christ appeals to you, but not the books and facts that they were persecuted and died for.
>>541867041I heard the Sammaritans are descended from the Jews that did not go into captivity in Canaan. From a geneological perspective I stare at the sammaritans to see what they look like.
>>541867350Im not arguing with you dude. You can worship the big hat if thats where you find solace. You dont need to find it in Jesus. I dont even know how they derive hierarchy to heaven, From the house of David?
>>541867313Each of the Gospels is weird, and written with a different tone, for a different audience. I would argue that John is the standout there; probably narrated to a scribe by John in his final years when the other apostles were killed for their beliefs.Catholics were not against reading the Bible, they knew if you let lay people read it, pride will consume them as they start to think they can just quote mine it and prove whatever point they want. They were right in that we have 40,000+ Protestant denominations now all believing different things while quoting the same source.Meanwhile the Catholic church's doctrine have been very slowly and meticulously developed by its cream of the crop over two millenium and can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
>>541866675Romans 13
>>541867678>they knew if you let lay people read it, pride will consume them as they start to think they can just quote mine itSo Chyna #1 since they ban organized religion then all turn around and burn Joss paper for the dead?
>>541867678>Oh no, what if people develop big heads because they have the ability to read the source material?>We must prevent this!Ah, yes, a leaf whining in hypocrisy. Excellent.Let the source be mundane.
>>541865545you're in agreement with the ADL
>>541865545>I would like to cut my hand on your face pleaseHmm.
>>541867678>Meanwhile the Catholic church's doctrine have been very slowly and meticulously developed by its cream of the crop over two millenium and can be found in the Catechism.Man says its ancient artifacts. Like Nag Hammadi? Guess what happened to Muhammed. They bought an artifact. Probably found buried in a clay jar. They sent a runner to the pharisee or sadducee and said man has the true words and verified Muhammed. NOT GOOD! (I still read the shit out of some quran..but only first half)
