This man was ON VIDEO RECORDING HIMSELF COMMITTING HIS CRIME And was completely acquitted by a jury of breaking into a factory farm to rescue two sick piglets despite overwhelming evidence that he did it. They literally filmed themselves committing their “crimes” and confessed but were still acquitted.This https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_7q87fAYbZk 4 minutes and 30 seconds in you can see live footage from courtroom of verdict being read.The animal rescue took place in March 2017 at Smithfield Foods' Circle Four Farms in Beaver County, Utah, and the trial was held in neighboring Washington County, Utah in October 2022.Beaver County is extremely rural, heavily agricultural, and politically conservative. In political elections, both Beaver County and Washington County voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump (winning roughly 80% and 70% of the vote, respectively).Pregnant pigs were locked inside 2 by 7 foot metal gestation and farrowing crates, spaces so narrow the animals could not turn around. Many sows suffered from open pressure sores, were covered in feces, or bit cage bars until their mouths bled from distress. In one instance, a sow's nipples were so torn that her starving piglets were drinking her blood instead of milk.Investigators documented piglets experiencing seizures, dying of starvation, being crushed under their mothers, or falling through metal floor grates and getting trapped beneath. The two piglets rescued by Hsiung (later named Lily and Lizzie) were severely malnourished, infected, and near death.
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>>541877335Yeah, don't care about the guy. Factory farming should be at least not blatantly cruel. I mean, we are going to kill, separate their parts, cook and eat them. Sometimes it's with eggs for breakfast.
>>541877335Factory farms should be illegal. There is more than enough space for ethical livestock.
https://animalequality.org/news/2022/10/28/animal-activists-found-not-guilty-in-smithfield-rescue/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/science/animals-rights-piglets-smithfield.htmlThe Smithfield Foods Farm TrialFollowing the release of the footage from the Smithfield farm, the FBI identified Hsiung and Picklesimer and began a multi-state chase. Agents raided animal sanctuaries in Utah and Colorado. At one sanctuary, a government veterinarian sliced off a part of a pig’s ear to test the DNA to try and identify her as a Smithfield pig>>541877529>>541877585The jury probably had some local small pasture raised farmers on it who were sick of mega corporations. Or at least some people on the jury probably had friends or family members with farms
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>>541877632I'm not sure you need an activist to choose not to recognize a petty crime against something like a factory farm. I'm pretty sure I'd look the other way at a lot of crimes these days against corporations and anyone who's noit a regular person.
BAN INFANT CIRCUMCISION AND HEN DEBEAKING
>>541877529Not being total assholes about it is still important. We can at least make sure our food has a comfortable life.>>541877632The state continues to be the enforcement arm of unethical corporations yes. You just know some kike is seething at the audacity of the goyim involved.
>>541877694FFS, could have just scratched the damn thing or taken a drop of blood. A diabetic's test kit could have gotten enough blood to test DNA. I understand it's probably necessary to separate yourself mentally if you're raising an animal that will be killed and eaten within a year, but at least pretend not to be cruel, you know?
Factory farming is extremely jewish, and it’s also exactly how the jews view and want to treat all of us goys. Not to mention how unhealthy the meat from tortured, genetically modified animals pumped full of growth hormones & anntibitoics and fed gmo slop is.
>>541877761I don’t think you need to be either but it’s hard to get 12 people to agree on anything
>>541877834>We can at least make sure our food has a comfortable life.It would take very little. People would even pay extra for meat that comes like that. Unfortunately, jews know that, so they just label everything with questionable promises of cruelty-free meat with only tiny modifications to earn the certifications. The problem is and will always be jews and money.
GoodAnyone who tortures animals to death should be killed LolBiggest gmod server admin killed himself because my friends blackmailed him after finding footage of him torturing a dog to deathGet RAPED nigga
>>541877853I guess they wanted to keep the piece of the ear as evidence if the dna came back positive? But there was already overwhelming evidence they committed the burglary. Maybe they wanted to charge the people who were harboring the pig too
>>541877879Can't even get a neighborhood association to agree on acceptable shed sizes. People are fucked.
>>541877335Laws that prohibit filming factory farms are retarded. I’d support nullification too
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>>541877958Kikes consider it an imperative to create suffering as part of the process yes. Meat without cruelty is antisemitic.
>>541878023He wasn’t an undercover employee he burglarized it in broad daylight and took two sick piglets
>>541877972If the evidence was collected properly, the chain of custody is proof enough. If they took you to a police station and said "we have a warrant for your DNA," it'd be not good, but only a mild inconvenience until they said "the warrant is for the top 1/2" of your ear."
>>541878086Hidden cameras were installed in a kosher slaughterhouse in the UK. No stunning used, NSFW https://rumble.com/v798evg-secret-kosher-slaughterhouse-exposed-in-england-sickening-investigation.htmlThe fact the Jew mocked the cow by mimicing its screams….SFW version of kosher slaughterhouse including confronting owner https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvgz2My0fJsIf stunning is used at all even after the throat is cut incorrectly it cant be sold as kosher
>>541878086Every pack of kosher meat came from an animal claimed as a sacrifice to Remphan.
>>541877335you will eat the bugs, faggots
>>541878142Yeah I think the FBI were just being assholes and passive aggressive They cut the ear because the search warrant explicitly allowed it, and ear tissue is a standard, durable livestock DNA sample—not because a drop of blood wouldn’t have worked.The 2017 FBI warrants for the Utah and Colorado sanctuaries authorized “DNA samples (blood, hair follicles or ear clippings)” from pigs matching a physical description (pink/white coloring, docked tails, roughly 5–9 months old, or a hole in the right ear). State veterinarians accompanying the agents chose an ear clip. At Luvin Arms in Colorado they used a snare on the snout to immobilize one pig and cut off roughly two inches of ear. The procedure was so violent that even the agents stopped them from doing the second pig.Why that method instead of a blood draw or hair:Physical exhibit. A chunk of tissue can be bagged, labeled, and kept as evidence with a clear chain of custody. A dried blood spot or a few hairs are easier to lose, contaminate, or challenge in court.Industry practice. Commercial pig DNA kits often use ear-tissue punches or leftover ear-notch pieces. Farms already notch or tag ears for ID, so vets and investigators treat ear tissue as a normal sample.Yield and storage. Cartilage and skin give more DNA than a small blood drop and don’t require special preservatives the way wet blood does.Restraint. Drawing blood from a terrified, struggling pig in a sanctuary barn is messy. They already had the animal snared; clipping the ear was faster for them even if it was more mutilating.None of that required a two-inch slice. A small punch or a few drops of blood would have been enough for genotyping.
>>541878352The size of the cut and the use of a snare were choices, not technical necessities. Federal prosecutors never charged the activists; Utah still pursued state burglary and theft counts. In October 2022 a Washington County jury acquitted Wayne Hsiung and Paul Picklesimer. The two piglets (Lily and Lizzie) were never seized and remained at sanctuary.The raid itself was an attempt to prove the pigs were Smithfield property so they could be treated as stolen goods. Cutting a large piece of ear was the method they picked from the options the warrant already listed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/science/animals-rights-piglets-smithfield.html https://theintercept.com/2017/10/05/factory-farms-fbi-missing-piglets-animal-rights-glenn-greenwald/
>>541878160The kosher slaughter method is extremely cruel. The only saving grace is that for all the pain the cow feels and the fear coursing through its body, it can't comprehend that it's being sacrificed as a blood offering to an ancient Sumerian god adopted by jews.
>>541877371Who is the absolute psychopaths who do this shit you thing those people can be trust not a fucking chance in hell
>>541878209>>541878160>>541878401They are planning a red heifer sacrifice in Israel soonish no date yet, the last was a practice run as it had a blemish. But they are literally trying to end the world or enslave everyone
>>541877335Based pigger savior I wouldn’t convict him either our air trees water and animals are non negotiable
>>541878413The footage was obtained by an undercover investigator who planted a camera, you can see footage of him planting the secret camera at the very end of this in the credits https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch The sad part is technology already exists to tell what sex the egg is before it hatches and is used in countries like Germany so they don’t have to put millions of male chicks in blenders
>>541878455From what I understand, they've already sacrificed many red heifers supplied by misled Texas christian zionists. The red heifer sacrifice isn't the beginning of anything in particular. The ashes of the beast are used to cleanse the new temple and the head priests who enter it and perform their evil inside of it. They'll need a steady supply of red heifers into perpetuity, hence the breeding programs in Israel and abroad. It's just securing a product before it's needed, not the trigger itself.
>>541878558>The sad part is technology already exists to tell what sex the egg is before it hatches and is used in countries like Germany so they don’t have to put millions of male chicks in blendersSeems this would be excellent to have.
>>541878696A valid animal must be fully red, unblemished, never yoked, and of mature age (from the start of its third year). New 2026 calves would not even be in the window until roughly 2028, and most candidates historically fail before then. “The last was a practice run as it had a blemish.”True. In early July 2025 a heifer was burned in Samaria / the West Bank as a rehearsal. It had been ruled invalid (reports cite two black hairs and/or other defects). It was not done on the Mount of Olives, which organizers themselves say is the required site for a real rite. Temple-aligned sources and later fact-checks treat it as a drill, not a kosher sacrifice. Some Texas/Christian participants later claimed the ashes “counted”; the main Israeli religious bodies running the project say they did not.Five Red Angus heifers from Texas arrived in September 2022, arranged with Boneh Israel and examined by Temple Institute rabbis. Several were later disqualified (white hairs, warts/growths, etc.). One documented modern burning: the 2025 practice animal.That’s the official narrative so far
>>541878778But then how could the males fully hatched but 1 day old bodies be used as fertilizer?
>>541877632>Hsiung and PicklesimerSorry what are these names lmaoo
>>541877335Glad I'm vegan that's horrible and why I changed my diet. Pig-farma has lobbied so there are anti-whistleblower laws in most states that make it a crime to even apply to a job with the intent to document or report the crimes you see. Completely insane and satanic.Think about it. Does good take pleasure in the suffering of others are weaker?
>>541879091Wayne Hsiung on right (Chinese / Taiwanese American citizen) Paul Picklesimer in middle
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>>541879064The chick grinder doesn't really bother me so much. They don't suffer. I don't like it, but I also acknowledge that they don't go to waste. I think they should all just be released into the wild. Let's get some wild chicken hunting action going. Probably wouldn't even need a gun. Who knows, wild chicken might be healthier. And tastier.
>>541877958>The problem is and will always be jews and money.This, FUCK THE KIKES, you can't even TRY to do something altruistic without these parasites trying to pervert it.Reminder that Hitler was able to create the first laws to actually protect animals after he kicked out the kikes.There won't be peace nor progress in human civilization until we get rid of this cancer.
>>541879368Amen
>>541879324Wild / feral chickens are common in parts of Hawaii But for every male in a blender theres a hen in a battery cage, Women believe childbirth is the most painful thing ever but theres good evidence the average chicken she eats suffered far more. Even if it’s completely unmedicated. Giving birth is not that impressive and I’ll explain whyWhat’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Seriously take a moment and contemplate it, try, in as much detail as you can, to remember what it was like. Maybe, for a few of you it was childbirth, an experience which, when it takes place without anesthesia, is temporarily completely debilitating. Nothing other than the pain occupies the mind of the sufferer.Perhaps it was getting a tattoo. Someone on Quora summarized the pain of getting a tattoo in the following way:>They hurt.>There are between one and 20 needles being poked through your skin hundreds of thousands of time in a single session. The number of needles will determine the type and intensity of pain. So expect it. The real question is how much will it hurt.I’ve been quite lucky and never experienced any particularly severe pain. I can remember quite a few times I’ve had pretty intense pain, barely eating for two days, having a doctor press down on my infected finger until it popped when I was 8, having a very severe stomach ache, falling out of a treehouse (though remaining in the tree) and banging my chin on the side of it, but nothing has been that bad. I’d guess the worst experience of my life is a lot less painful than a wrist tattoo.The most painful experience that most of us have ever had is classified as disabling pain. This is the sort of pain that’s bad enough that during it you can’t enjoy doing anything else, you can’t, for instance, enjoy a game of chess while giving birth, and that makes it impossible to focus on anything other than the pain.
>>541877529Hsiung is basedIf the NGOs would stop receiving tax money, people could afford more expensive meat produced under more humane conditions
>>541879491Examples of this kind of pain include a very painful fall, breaking a bone, burning yourself, giving birth, severe dog bites, getting a tattoo, kidney stones, and hemorrhoids.While we often forget about these later, when they’re happening, they feel like the most significant thing in the world. They’re extremely bad, if you offered me $1,000 to get severely bitten by a dog, its teeth ripping off a chunk of my flesh, or have needles pierce my skin hundreds of times, I wouldn’t take the deal. Certainly I wouldn’t undergo childbirth for 1,000 dollars, especially if it was without anestheticSadly, on average, the animals that we eat endure hundreds of hours of this kind of debilitating agony over the course of their life. They endure somewhere on the order of an hour a day of this pain.I’ll just discuss one such case, the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures.The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves.
>>541877585Jews gonna Jew
>>541879491I doubt female chickens feel pain from laying egs.
>>541879527True
>>541879527If more people were not overweight and more women had thigh gaps then people would need less calories and less meat. Every extra pound of fat equals a few more calories needed each day. Thinner people burn less calories per dayAt least with muscle mass that is capable of doing work. But fat tissue more then 10% bodyfat for men or 20% for women in just dead weight that also wastes food>>541879537While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a weekOften the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking.In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest, about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:
>>541879712>“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions. Before you next purchase eggs, or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst, remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. https://www.simonknutsson.com/the-seriousness-of-suffering-supplement They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension, something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable, it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony.>>541879675Almost all eggs sold in supermarkets and restaurants in usa come from hens in battery cages
>>541879790The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony, the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced.The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating. ( fentanyl impairs breathing) The average meat eater causes hours of that!This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry. As Ren says in an https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xtcgsLA2G8bn8vj99/reminding-myself-just-how-awful-pain-can-get-plus-an#Miscellaneous_thoughts_and_takeaways article that’s very worth reading, describing her own experience with fairly intense pain:A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hoursofhttps://www.pain-track.org/broilers[disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilersslaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks?
Proper jury nullification is one of the greatest things a citizen can do.
>>541879243what a fucking homo
>>541879965Which is why they are doing away with jury trials in the uk https://parliamentnews.co.uk/justice-secretary-wants-jury-trials-scrapped-except-in-most-serious-cases/ Jury trials in the UK are being restricted for crimes with likely sentences of less than three years as part of reforms aimed at addressing a significant backlog in the court system. Serious offenses, such as murder and rape, will still be tried by jury. ( for now)
Literal demons run factory farms. Tortures straight out of hell.
>>541878160https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_analogy_in_animal_rightsJews literally cried muh antisemitism when people termed the "animal holocaust" to capture the fact TRILLIONS of animals have gone through the industrial meat system since 1945. I was already on the fuck Israel/Judiasm/ZOG train before reading this recently, but this was a real Truman show behind the veil moment for me and I have yet to fully wrap my head around the scale of this and what jews have to really do with it. This isnt helped by the fact tbe Nazis were notorious animals rights activists, this causes cognitive dissonance even in me.
>>541879790>Almost all eggs sold in supermarkets and restaurants in usa come from hens in battery cagesThat's not really what I was arguing.
>>541880001kys pos
>>541880200250 million fish die by suffocation every dayMost fish for human consumption die by suffocationThe NSDAP banned this 1936. I really don't know why this was rolled back 1948.
>>541880366Humane treatment of animals is antisemitic is why. What next, the goyim demanding clean water?
>>541880366Because it’s bad for gdp>>541880200Holocaust literally means burnt offering like animal sacrifice. With Jews every accusation is a confession
Fighting for animals to have basic dignity is white coded
>>541880087Why do people disregard mankind's propensity for blocking out the violence they commit from their minds? It's always necked down to a man being a demon, and maybe once they allow themselves to do that, they are, but whether police activity, wartime violence or the need to eat, killing is part of life. I'm not saying I would want to be a factory farmer. I'd never apply to work in a slaughterhouse. I'm not sure I'd even want to kill my own livestock to eat, but I'd block out my senses and do it to live, like the millions of millions of people who came before me and ate meat.
>>541880455Even when certain countries pass animal welfare laws they always leave exceptions for animal imported from other countries with little to no animal welfare laws. They put free trade over animals and food safety, imported eggs is why theres a salmonella outbreak in the uk right now
>>541880320>memeflagkys shitskin
>>541880486Yup, its the most on the nose thing there is when you actually bother to look it up. Anyway, can anyone give me the quick load down/sources on what Jewish practice and views on animal husbandry is?
>>541880559There is a difference between violence and literal torture anon. Killing for food can be done without inflicting needless suffering.Even wartime violence is supposed to be held to certain standards, even if those standards seem to go out the window the nanosecond certain (((people))) consider it convenient.
Factory farming is disgusting
>>541880651>even looking at flags let alone reading things into themlame
>>541880709yeah but these standard disappear when the small hat people need a big global world with everyone buying lots of stuff all the time so they can make more shekels and buy nice houses!for a people who have been repeatedly kicked out of civilisation for centuries they sure love their property, idiotic and desperate dont u think?
>>541879491I have experienced every example you gave except for birth. None of them are very bad unless you mean severe body-wide burns. The tattoos you described are tribal or yakuza type. A modern tattoo is not bad at all. It tickles and may feel like itching. Pain isn't the same as real fear of death. Try getting a severe allergic reaction and not knowing if you'll pass out and die while waiting for medication if you're lucky enough to reach a hospital. I've had 4th degree burns and it was just a learning experience, but waiting to potentially die is a very different experience. Ever been choked unconscious in a fight? You know what it's like to die. I've been declared dead twice and choked out twice, it isn't painful until you come back from it but it is absolutely the most scared you can ever be and pain is just a feeling.
>>541879790You're a fucking retard. Animals can't speak, you're spewing retarded vegan propaganda, which is why you aren't getting bumps.
>>541880700>give me the quick load downYou fucking faggot
>>541881679>>541881837You're brown.
>>541881837Language isnt a precondition for the ability to suffer.
>>541881974You're still gay in the gayest possible way, help exists. I'm white with a solid career in industrial manufacturing, a white wife and three white kids. You could never be me.
>>541882088None of that is going to help you on the day of judgement.
>>541882086I didn't say it was, dumbfuck. I said an animal can't tell you "laying eggs is painful" or anything similar. Kosher and halaal slaughter is barbaric, a white man opts for a clean and quick kill. You wanna ban ritual sacrifice as an industry, great. We agree. A lethal shot to the head or a pneumatic rod execution method, I'm okay with it.
>>541880709I doubt those being killed see much of a difference, but it's worth trying.
>>541882145I know God, don you? Not a god, the God. You kikes worship remphan and moloch.
>>541882243They don't see anything if it's quick. Humans are omnivores. Get the fuck over it.
>>541878558>>541878778>>541879064>>541879324The egg thing isn't really for the wefare of the chick, it's to make the fertilisier better quality as there is less waste material like urea to deal with.
>>541881974>>541882254
>>541881679The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree that animals like birds and mammals are conscious to a significant degreeall those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officersAgree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousnessThey can suffer a lotThey can also experience wellbeinglike me
>>541882088Does your wife have a thigh gap?
>>541883026All those people? Antisemites.
>>541883053Scientists who say circumcision benefits like reduced cancer risk are non existent are also antisemetic
>>541878101which was based af considering how the farm was run
>>541877335TL;DR: Don't care
>>541883196https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pu5lfGaSrkYes the conditions were very bad . They got video proof of things like piglets drinking blood instead of milk because chewing on nipples so much
>>541882294You're getting pretty irate over this. Are you dating a hen? Yes or no.
>>541883568>>541882294
>>541878014people need spacetoo many people too close together
>>541884129I couldn't agree more.
>>541877529The funny thing is that we don't have enough space because we are expected to feed billions of niggers in Africa. Like if animalists really cared they would cut off aid to Africa.
>>541884129More living space?
>>541884414Yeah but they also say that more humans means less wild animal suffering since most wild animals like insects live mostly bad lives.
>>541884414https://benthams.substack.com/p/long-run-human-impact-on-wild-animal?utm_source=publication-searchLong-Run Human Impact On Wild Animal Suffering: Much More Than You Wanted To KnowWhy you personally will plausibly prevent 5 quadrillion insects from coming into existence and the late Ordovician mass extinction was based
>>541883051You must mean crotch sprung
>>541884414When France started it’s first colony in Africa it’s population alone was greater than every African country combined It is a genuine fact white people feeding, medicating and cleaning Africa is the reason it’s population has exploded
>>541877335damn thats fucked up>eats a big mac
>>541884414When we feed, they breed. Put out food for a feral pig population, and it'll skyrocket.
Is all just loosh farming?
>>541877335For the first time in history, humanity is at large completely disconnected from the notion of death. Even just a handful of decades ago, the majority of people, young kids included, would witness animals dying and reconcile themselves with the natural cycle of life by confronting it directly in a healthy way. As urbanization and industrialization finalized its expansion, this changed. The lack of this sort of stimulation during one's formative years makes them completely oblivious to their and other creatures' different roles in the world. When this happens, one's human sympathy does not limit itself onto other humans, but erroneously diffues itself onto animals and other creatures as well. There is nothing, and I am not being hyperbolic, more disgusting to me than someone who is empathetic towards animals and thinks of their death and/or suffering as an inherent tragedy. These people somehow manage to transfer the most spiritually depraved ideology ever created by man, utilitarianism, and apply it outside of the human scope. Your moral compass is defected. I do not trust you to have any meaningful contribution to the market place of ideas. These obscene people are unfortunately responsible for most of the criticism hurled towards factory farming due to their fanatism and therefore poison the discussion surrounding it, alienating well mannered people, those who have humanity centered ideals, from the discussion. We should not rape the land and the animals. When an animal subservient to a human dies or suffers, it's a righteous thing to feel for it and even cry. Working at a slaughter house might indeed make you batshit insane. But the conclusions drawn by these people from these basic notions are detestable.
>>541884810Im going to sleep btw gn
>>541884129>>541884273>>541884429Yes, More
>>541884810>>541884918Some are calling it the most jewish post in 4chan history. Good job twisting it totally backwards you evil demon.
>>541877335>WE NEED MORE BIG DADDY REGULATIONSNo
>>541883051No, she has wide childbearing hips and thighs, unlike any vegan slut.
>>541885962Bitch, please.Your wife's hips is as wide as your bed so when youre having sex with her, instead of fucking her from behind, you're bungee jumping on that fatass bitch. Also your kids are shitskin brown abominations that shouldve been abortedKill yourself nigger
You will say ))))Not Guilty((((. No matter what.
>>541877529Yes but humanity towards animals cost money which harms profits so that cannot happen. Think about the economy.
>>541885962It’s very possible for a woman to have wide hips and a thigh gap. It sounds like you are coping for having a overweight wife
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>>541885882.
>>541877335Seriously what the fuck's wrong with them
>>541885882We need regulations banning infant circumcision. I’d also support regulations that make the procedure more expensive and requiring much more paperwork, mandatory waiting periods, etc anything to decrease infant circumcision rates. Require doctors to take a 3 year class before they are allowed to perform the operation
>>541879243>Think about itdepends. if you cherry pick the situation you can find some bleak shit no doubt. not defending all of it, but you do realize without me eating chickin there would be no chickin to live, at all.all the animals I eat have a life because of me. I directly pay for them living on this planet. now you can argue if conditions are shit and they don't live for long then it's not the best deal for them, and you would be right. but not in all cases.so, I eat burger I pay for cow to have a life in a nice farm. I do not eat burger cow doesn't exist at all. cow denied experience.and a living cow dies anyway, at some point. maybe even in more pain, naturally. so there is a strong argument if I am paying for the cow to experience life on Erf, it's worth it at some point, to eat it, it dies painlessly, it would die anyway at some point, so we're debating the loss of less than half its life here.but without me, that cow don't exist at all, it has no life, no experience. I condemn the potentially existing cow to absolute and total nothingness.I think THAT is even more horrible. so you see, eating a hamburger once in a while is literally paying for cute animals to experience life on Erf. I should be celebrated and rewarded for upkeeping animals and paying for their welfare and shelter/food/medicine.this is not debatable.
>>541889223This argument only works if the animal lives a mostly good life. Almost all farm animals in places like usa and Australia today do not. Why have your utilitarian view towards farm animals but not towards children with tay sacs?
>>541889406>This argument only works if the animal lives a mostly good lifeI said that in the opening of my reply. yes, I know, my point was that at some point it's clearly worth it more to become meat eater because this way you bring more good to this Erf. like objectivelly speaking.after all, the discussion is about cute animals and their feefees and shit, their experience here. isn't it?
>>541877335This vid is what it's like to be born male in Russia and Ukraine
>>541889406>but not towards children with tay sacs?I am not directly benefiting from it. why aren't you paying me 1 million dollars? or at least 1000 you must have a 1000. give it to me. why aren't you?>muh I need itEXACTLY. I cannot afford to pay for cows enjoying life without getting sustenace from it. it's symbiosis you see... it works out for both parties.
>>541889534Yes Thats one way to look at it but I still see many issues The biggest is that it is not possible to feed 8 billion people a diet with a significant amount of humane pasture raised animal products. Theres not enough land and resources. So isn’t a vegan world easier then a 80% vegan 15 percent factory farm 5% pasture raised world? How would that work at scale? >>541889658True
>>541889810>Theres not enough land and resources.stop giving it to thirdies. make it more expensive while raising their life quality.the very same argument can be proposed for human beings. why are they allowed to procreate like crazy? on average 1 child per couple means number of humans is dropping fast. every couple gets to have a child, nobody denying the experience. but not 10 like some groups are practicing.there's a lot of religious backed shit to boost the numbers of certain religious groups, they pump out 10 kids on couple. stop telling me to drop eating cows man, shame people who have more than 1 child that are not twins. don't even address me on the topic. I have none. I deserve the cow and the hamburgers. the more you pump kids the less you're deserving.but you won't go after the infinity babies religious groups, they'll shut your argument down, with the full might of the media aparatus and psyops. and somehow you will still find your way to me, asking me take shorter showers and eat fucking beans for life
>>541889716>EXACTLY. I cannot afford to pay for cows enjoying life without getting sustenace from it. Vegan farm animal sanctuaries can. >it's symbiosis you see... it works out for both parties. In theory sure. But I have concerns about commodifying animals even humanely leading to animals being commodified and treated non humanely. It’s a slippery slope when people want humane animal products which require more resources and believe animal products are required for human health because there’s not enough land and resources for 8 billion people to consume lots of pasture raised humane animal products
>>541890050I’m not religious and I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. Unfortunately the people currently in power who control politics, media, etc want 2% year over year gdp growth every year and they want population growth and are willing to bring in immigrants to make it happen. How would this work? If people suddenly had only 1 kid each who would take care of the aging population? Just let them die?
>>541890357deconstruct your argument. why are we many? our work is needed. for what? partly to keep the rest alive. why isn't the state doing it? it's down to us, keep eachother alive, after keeping ourselves alive, and providing value to society through our work.so basically we're being scammed in a sense. way too much is asked from us. they figured they'd bootstrap this system without them paying anything for it. cattle takes care of themselves.but with more and more automation and upcoming ai robot revolution, less and less people are needed. state should pay for everyone, that's their promise anyway isn't it? with UBI? isnt' that the literal state paying for everyone?
>>541890486I’m not sure if ASI and automation UBI will happen in my lifetime or not. I wouldn’t plan on it and even if the technology existed for it to be possible I would not trust that it’d be used benevolently. Covid showed many people are working useless daycare jobs. In many parts of the world I seriously doubt many people will change their parents diapers for a few years, many don’t love their parents enough or are too individualistic or selfish
>>541890658if productivity had a steady increase with industrialisation you cannot argue state doesn't have more than before it. someone somewhere is doing more with less humans. but still pays taxes on that productivity/sales.and anyway, the order in which you attack people is go for religious groups pumping infinity kids, next go after thirdies pumping infinity kids (why should I pay for their 20 kids lol), and lastly after you fixed the above you may have a say to your white western man. regarding his energy use and the amount of meat he's having.
>>541878055>74% of people surveyed thinks newborn calves shouldn't have their testicles removed>But western society as a whole is fully on board with mutilating the genitals of male infantswew
>>541890962I guess trump is starting to do that with usaid cuts, lots of children will die in the short term from them. How would you reduce the birth rates in communities like the Amish? Compulsory public education?Another concern I have is that while reducing the amount of humans on earth would allow for more humane pasture raised animal products and less factory farming less humans would mean more wild animal suffering. More humans and more human infrastructure reduces wild animal especially wild insect populations and it seems most wild animals especially wild insects live mostly bad lives.
>>541891306>lots of children will die in the short term from them.a buddy gave me his laptop a while back. he got a new one and his old one is still nice. now you see, from now on I am not entitled to him giving me a laptop once in a while just because he did it once. would be cool, but won't hold it against him if he never does. he does have more than I have, but he can still do whatever the fuck he wants with this shit. even if I really needed something he can give away, he has his own shit to deal with as well. I'm grateful if he gibs another one, but not really EXPECTING it. even worse, if he doesn't start chimping out at him lmao, that would be pretty shit and he would be entitled to cut ties with me for pulling that shit. I would.>>541891306>How would you reduce the birth rates in communities like the Amish? Compulsory public education?welp, I guess you'll have to figure it out isn't it? not sure why everything thinks they are entitled to infinity kids. they sure would like to maintain that status que because it benefits them long term. that's why the religious groups are doing it, to assemble drones that serves their cause. doesn't mean you should allow it unchecked. it's retarded.>Another concern I have is that while reducing the amount of humans on earth would allow for more humane pasture raised animal products and less factory farming less humans would mean more wild animal suffering. More humans and more human infrastructure reduces wild animal especially wild insect populations and it seems most wild animals especially wild insects live mostly bad lives.that's silly. you have no say in what happens outside of human action. if you leave a city and nature is taking it over, whatever happens there is not your doing, life does that, anywhere on Earth. it's not up to us to police all life on Earth.your line of thinking implies sterilizing Earth, along with us, for least suffering. it's silly nonsense. we wouldn't exist without that.
>>541891774>that's silly. you have no say in what happens outside of human action. if you leave a city and nature is taking it over, whatever happens there is not your doing, life does that, anywhere on Earth. it's not up to us to police all life on Earth.your line of thinking implies sterilizing Earth, along with us, for least suffering. it's silly nonsense. we wouldn't exist without that.It doesn’t imply efilism. Most humans don’t live bad lives also I’m not a pure hedonist I think other intrinsic goods like relationships exist. Nature is extremely brutal but civilization is not so I want more civilization and less nature, as much as possible. If it’s impossible to get rid of all of nature because then civilization would collapse from lack of oxygen or something then I want to get rid of as much nature as possible without collapsing civilization
>>541892037I think theoretically like sci-fi shit in the future you can have an army of ASIs figure out a way to redirect all life towards "clean energy" as it were. simple first principles take obviously. and have a cap on population size. this way they're not eating eachother and they have an energy source.but it would all look very differently, it would work out differently at scale
>>541892297Yes I would like to see drones giving wild lions lab grown meat but that’s a long way off
>>541892383we used to do that here. in a sense. feed wild bears in the woods, at certain locations. kept them deeper in the woods, fed, wouldn't interact much with tourists. it's nothing new.but yeah, still meat. doubt we wont' be able to engineer good food in the future. don't think there's anything that makes that scientifically impossible or smth.
>>541892617There’s politicians in Florida and Italy banning lab grown meat :/
>>541892776it could be shit and dangerous, sub par. could be religious reasons, economical ones. there's a lot of good shit that is not happening, or happening slow, because religious drones are melting down over it, because it fucks with other sources of income, or steps on their toes, so lobbying against it. humans are a fucking mess that way. as long as society needs cretins working it has to kowtow to their idiotic ideas or they chimp out.
>>541892945Yep. Humans are generally very tribal
Italy has implemented a ban on the production, sale, and import of lab-grown meat, citing the protection of traditional agriculture and food culture.
>>541877335Shocking that empathy is a concept exclusive to yellow people.
>>541877335>>541877371https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybn93490tvkZero responses to this ever by planttards btw.
>>541877963Killing animals for the sake to be edgy aint the same to killing animals for the sake of nutritions. The former just let the body rot while the later is legally or ethically bounded to treat the animal body for human consumption under healthy standards.
>>541893251>women without makeup>raw vegans>cherry picking people who just recovered from surgeries or sickness >people with eating disorders who are underweight sv3rige / goatis is a liar and a scumbag. He hired Gypsies to acid attack his ex and is currently on the run from interpol
>>541877335Smithfield foods has been a chinese communist owned company since 2013
>>541893495>It's all cherrypicked it's not prominent vegansVeganism is an ED so you're right about that.Goatis used to be a starving vegan, he almost died from it and then just ate meat. When you google the acid factoid the only thing that pops up is kiwi farms shit or some 3 hour long video.Sorry, don't care. If it were good for you so many people wouldn't starve to death from it.>Surgeries and sicknessPart and parcel of being vegan, the toxins stress your organs.
>>541877335Why "jury of peers" even exist? There is no such thing as "peers". Is anyone Naive enough to think criminals have no peers. Oh wait.
>>541893251>>541893495Btw, this is what they do every time>These people don't count>They did it wrong anyway they didn't do it right>Your guy is LE BAD therefore those people aren't starving on a vegan dietEvery single time, no actual responses or arguments but there's like 9 of these videos out now full of famous vegan influencers who are literally starving to death.Every year more and more vegans quit because it literally kills you from starvation and toxins.
>>541893251i watched the whole video. scarier than any horror movie. hoooooly fuck lol
>>541879324>>541879491Yeah alot of animal welfare problems would be solved by just releasing unwanted animals into the wild, but for some reason piece of shit bureaucrats (ironically PETA) hate this and would rather the animals be tortured/die than live wild and free.
>>541877585UMM actually, we need those pastures to build data centers sweety!!!
>>541895155It's not so simple as that. A lot of wild animals raised in captivity would die off quickly if released into their natural habitats. You think a herd of cows would survive out in the mountains? Bears and wolf packs would swarm them.
Is this the wrong time to talk about foie gras? Truly among the best tasting foods ever imagined.
>>541895298>A lot of wild animals raised in captivity would die off quickly if released into their natural habitats.So what? Better than slaughtering them in a literal meatgrinder. Give them a chance at least.
>>541877335Based founding fathers knewthey fucking knew
>>541877335why are the chicks and eggshells being fed into a hopper where they're shredded? I don't get it
>>541897828Yeah i'm on board with idea. The ones who cannot be released just place them in a large sanctuary with good weather and lots of tasty food.
>>541880559>>541880709I grew up on a small (5 acre) farm, and we raised our own chickens and turkeys. We had a flock of ~25 laying hens, and every spring/summer we'd raise ~50 chickens for meat. My job was to take care of them, and I did so from the age of 7. When it was time to butcher, I'd take the chicken, carry it to the stump, place its head gently between two nails, my dad would hold its feet and pull back a touch, and I'd swiftly chop its head off with an axe. Minimum pain, minimum suffering, not terribly difficult to do. That's not even the same ballpark as that horror show of cow slaughter I just witnessed, hell it's not even the same fucking game. The CEOs of that meat company all need to be gassed.
