mmm cauldron hoholussy smoked salo scent you cant get finer than that
>>541900529They neglected their military spending in favor of giving free health care to brown people, they were banking on the benevolence of the US who they have slandered as fascists as their new national past time. The reckoning has begun.
>>541900529It's over
>>541900529The zigger cope that they are>fighting all of NAFOin the big pigsty is some of the sweetest salt coming out of the zigger propaganda machine,
It's so fucking over
>>541900966So if you don't need this anyway why do you snatch people off the street and send them die there?
>>541900901Its what the zigger must believe in order to preserve its own self-image. Mighty Russia cannot lose to a third-rate backwater military, it must be locked in deadly combat with the entire West!
>>541900529
>0 dead NATO troops>1.5 MILLION zegroid casualties Yikes!
500 more years and Pussia will take over Kyiv
How does that map relate to NATO? I don't get it. It looks like it's from the conflict between a weak chihuahua and Ukraine.
>>541901737>>541900901did you guys memory hole that ukraine is equipped and armed and fed information by america and the entirety of europe?are you just ashamed you sent billions of hardware and money that didn't amount to anything?
>>541900901Yes, half a trillion dollars worth of military equipment and monetary assistance plays no part in them prolonging the war. Meanwhile Russia's trade with the west has been completely severed and yet they haven't moved an inch out of Ukraine. Good luck getting Ukraine to pay all those loans back.
>>541900529GAYTO doesn't fight wars they buy and sell weapons
>>541901218Why are you fighting each other over fuel, pidor?
>>541900901So is NATO equipment and advisors some sort of naturally occurring phenomena?
>>541901805Ukrainians are the best fighters the west has. Everyone else is fat and vaxx-maxed.
>>541901852So in the big final conflict between Russia and NATO, which side is getting their capitals droned despite throwing endless meat into the grinder?How many hundreds of thousands of casualties on the nato side?
>>541901852How does this equal FIGHTING all of NAFOYeah, that's right, it doesn't.That's a "trade war" at most, and on that topic there's a much bigger in-fight among NATO countries themselves (especially with the US) than than anything close to the amount of money involved in propping up the hohols ordnance supply early in the 3-day SMO to de-nazify them.
>>541901976equipment and advisors =/= participating in combat.Also, the eternal>NATO would lose in a day against Russia, because they know nothing about Drone Warfarbut at the same time>Russia isn't having it's easy win against Ukraine because of their use of drones, supplied by NATO and advised how to use them by NATOMake up your shit-for-brain zigger-mins on that one, will you?
>>541901867They're fighting all of NATO except NATO soldiers, NATO navy and NATO air forceHow many F35's engaged Russia in combat in this war?
>>541902105The US Air Force alone without any other branch of the military would destroy the entire Russian military and force them into living in tunnels
>>541900529Lol at Russian map colorists. Try clown colors.
>>541901995ukraine has gained 0 km in russian soil while they are steadily losing theirs with the support drying up >casualtiesimagine believing reddit kd ratios lol. LE GHOST OF KIEV>>541901998This is the best strategy your jewish coalition could come up with and it failed lolCope
>>541900529Why are Russians so bad at facing reality?
>>541902751Matriarchal culture, like jews.
>>541900529Russia is fully mobilized and stalemated against a 1% inflation rate in NATO.You'll know when NATO actually joins the war.
Why do slavniggers have mongoloid shaped heads?
lot of malding nafoids ITT tasty
>>541901218Your migthy army really post maps with megapolis >1 km2?
>>541900529Come on, this clearly isn't real NATO. They're just NATO-trained, NATO-supplied, NATO-guided...
>>541904207do you say the north vietnamese were soviet union troops?or the syrian/egyptian that fought against israel were soviet union troops?or the talibans were NATO when they fought against the soviet unionno, because it's retarded cope.you pissed your pants and now the whole class is laughing at you.
Let me break it down for you. All wars are who can withstand the most acceptable deaths.Russians are still able to die for their country in large numbers irrespective of it is just or not. Westerners will not put their body in line for their countries. Gone are the days of ww1 and ww2, where you could use propoganda and nationlism to convince them. Hence they have a unwilling population unable to stomach such losses. The EU elites might try dragging us to war though via false flags
>>541900901>>541901805Lmao, nafotroons are assmad delusional, tens of thousands of zogbots have died in the oinkraine and this is just the beginning
>>541904382Ah yes, those legendary vietnames pilots, Ли Cи Цин and Кy Hи Цин. Man, that takes me back.
0 dead Hato soildersVs1,500,000 dead ziggersInfinite kill death ratio ( 1.5m/0)ImaoIs this nato inside with your room?Kys
>>541904480>t.
>>541904874>t.
>>541902751Russians have always been dogs and slaves.. they do whatever their gov't tells them to do. Russians in general are just a barbarian horde..soulless and mindless aggression.
>>541902199>The US Air Force alone without any other branch of the military would destroy the entire Russian military and force them into living in tunnels(((anon))) i realize you are either a retard gypsy or a shilling kike but um this has been debunked as of March this year. You guys need to update your hypotheticals. > be russian MOD> release CGI rendering of nuclear torpedo's unleashing mega tsunami on the UK> hysterical piece of propaganda> nafoids take it at face value and call you cuck and 3rd world paper tiger every time you dont turn the uk into atlantisnobody really wants nuclear or any war for that matter. at least i used to think so. because pro ukraine europe seems to have a raging hard on for the world's destruction.
>>541904926You say that mercenaries are the same as regular soldiers, after all.So I guess they're all Russians.i acknowledge mercs on both sides.
>>541904926that makes sense though, foreign volunteers fighting for ukraine. it doesnt say much about ukraine, its that everybody in the world hates ziggers.
>>541900529Based on what? That you guys have been fighting Ukraine longer than WW2 lasted? Check out Desert Storm and shut up lol.
>be NATO terrorists>start war against Russia>declare Moscow in 3 days>get curbstomped>lose millions of NATO terrorists and billions of assets>it doesnt count because we are liars also russia is losing somehow we are just strategically moving backwards and letting them blow up billion dollar weapons every day
NATO hasn't arrived yet
>>541900529Nigger you zerg rush to capture the tiniest amount of land for 100 + of you dying in the most horrific ways possible, you are a fucking suicide cult as a country
>>54190052920 thousand rusian niggers to take a village
>>541905285This subhuman ruskie nigger is literally projecting what rusia started and is doing exactly this moment. Pure projection.
>>541901998>>541902105kill yourself retarded nafoid
>>541900529Ukraine should just be honest with itself and admit its not a real country.
>>541905479>Thinks artillery spamming you is a zerg rushLmao
Because the point never was to have a viable military, but to provide an alibi for money laundering and quid pro quo sort of deals for the willing participants. Like in a "Give us that juicy contract of a few billions in ammo, rewrite the minimum demands so only our conpany can fulfill it and here a few thousand shares and a seat at the board whenever you feel like wanting a change of pace." Basically kind of like the EU or really any international organisation in the modern world.I mean if it was legit to act as defense against the soviet, it would have been dissolved as the soviet croaked, but by then the entrenched elements therein were way too comfortable to let go of their stranglehold, so they kept things going except now there wasnt a facade of genuine need for them to exist, and thus could be shamelessly corrupted and embezzle to their heart content.
>>541900529timewasting bullshit thread jews eat kids fuck you
>>541900877>Battle of waterloo in Belgium>Belgium population>1600>Deaths>200kImagine thinking a population during peace means it stays that way lmao.
>>54190512590% of the foreigners in SE Asian countries committing nigger-level acts of senseless, drug/alcohol-induced violence are Russians.Whenever you see "foreigner attacks local" videos it's always a slavnigger.
>>541904480I get that Georgians are angry at Russia and they have legitimate reason to feel that way but why throw your life away in the Ukraine for no reason at all except having a small chance of killing a Russian before dying yourself horribly?At least Poles that swallow globohomo propaganda think they are legitimately at risk of being invaded. Better to fight your enemy away from home that at home in that case.
>>541905866how is he wrong? no nato military is fighting in this war. all european financial and weapon help to ukraine, during the last 4 years, amounted to only 1% gdp of eu. ROFLMAO.if russia was fighting all of nato, per russian propaganda and putler himself, the war would be over in weeks.
>>541900529Do you know what they call filling your car with gas in russia?A little 3 days SMO
what do you mean nato XD
>>541905098They're definitely worse. Imagine being born in a First World country, enlisting in the military to defend your homeland’s borders and sovereignty, only to be sent to a swinereich to die for globohomo, while your fellow shills pretend you never existed, what an absolutely pitiful fate
>>541906131What do they call it in Ukraine? The buck braking?
>>541900529No way, who guys did it ?? That whole northern part is an eyesore.
>ACTUALLY we're fighting all of NATO!>ACTUALLY Ukrainians are Russians so that's why they're so good, it's basically us!Cope harder, pidor.
>>541905019Nuclear warfare is a propaganda meme, because in reality, from a purely objective point of view they are just really shitty area denial weapons which fallout is way too uncontrollable to be viable in any sort of large scale conflict, hence their relegation to small surgical strikes stuff like bunker busters, where the nature of the task act as containment for the fallout.Like why bother doing a big firework which will spread shit everywhere when you can have a thousand smaller warhead that can make a hundred million dollar bunker instantly and permanently unusable with a single strike? Doesnt take a genius to understand the advantages from a logistical point of view. And this doesnt even go into the modus operandi of modern warfare where conflict drag on as long as humanely possible so that third parties can rake a fuckton of emone via contract works.
>>541900529They are historical losers, if you remember they employed former nazi generals that lost ww2
>>541906244Most nuclear fallout dissipates within hours.
>>541904480KEKOne mighty HATO brigade figthing of the stronk russian army
>>541904480Makes me smile knowing poles get massacred as well.
>>541904480basedwhole world uniting against russia, as god intended
imagine the smelyiv
>>541906147And the worst part is, unlike the bussified meat you actively CHOSE this.
>>541906160Well, they are fighting an war againts an retarded thurdie horde
>>541906331Toot toot!Seething pole in bound! Toot toot!Gonna stop that tanker or watch it flex on you?
>>541906421They fighting you?
>>541906331majority of nigger and tranny organisation occupied countries are atheist, which god are you praying to I wonder
>>541900529> 5 years into still fighting a proxy war in eastern ukraineEmbarassing, to say the least.
>>541901989Well the west is shit out of luck than
>>541900529Is this a predictyiv or the actual state of the frontline? If true it's pretty impressive that they can reached a point that they can do encirclements
>>541906597no "niggers" or "trannies" in herethe god? might be this onehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Perun_%28Pustevny_-_Czech_Republic%29_18.jpg
Is there any nationality as pathetic and cucked as Russian?
>>541906738lol
>>541906610yes, we had 1.5 million zigger casualties. how about another 1.5 million zigger casualties?
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>>541906795So is that a no?
>1pbti zigger seethe thread
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>>541906486>no uLol
>>541906147do you have any proofs for your claims or do you think you are a women too?
>>541904382>do you say the north vietnamese were soviet union troopsA big argument for prosecuting that war was that they were fighting USSR, and they were in fact doing that. Still the scale of support Ukraine is receiving is far larger
>>541902117>It's a land war! Not a soldier navy air force war!>>541902385>Russia is fighting all of nato!>Which side is taking heavily casualties and getting their capital droned?>Uhhhh, they haven't taken Russian land yet!Lmao, just so long as you don't count parts of Ukraine that Russia declared "forevermore russia" before having to "advance backwards" from>Le ghost of kiev, no Russia casualties!So nato is the one taking heavy casualties, not Russia?Lol, no one cares less about piles of dead Russians than Russia's shills
So far NATO has sent>No modern fighting jets>No land to land rockets>No warships>No modern tanks>No modern IVFs>No soldiers Only money and artillaryAnd Russia sits and how many destroyed tanks? 8000?Russia lost more soldiers in this war than all NATO members ion every war they fought since 1949: Korea + Vietnam + Iraq + Afghanistan + all the operations in Africa and South America equals less than Russia lost against THE POOREST COUNTRY IN EUROPE
>>541910772>nato is actually a shit ally to depend onwe know
>>541900529Decade after decade of massacring people who cant fight back reducing their will to fight an actual real opponent to zero.Decade after decade of allowing their capitalists loot their MIC to the point where they can't even produce artillery shells enough for a relatively low intensity conflict like Ukraine.>>541900636Its not about raw military spending, the west (yes, even Europe) spends FAR more on defense than Iran or even Russia, its just that the funds are being vacuumed up by the rich and its having little effect.
>>541900529*atWhy are Russians so bad at english?
>>541900529>>541901218RARE FLAG
>>541906320Bro, I have this amazing real estate opportunity, its a stationairy AquaCross Device, interested?
>>541911141Just gonna get more rare as they continue to crack down on Internet access
>>541901218why did this guy die in a field in ukraine? did you need it that bad?
>>541911624The West:In Gaza "we dindu nuthin"In Iran "we dindu nuthin"In Iraq "we dindu nuthin"In Venezuela "we dindu nuthin"In Mali "we dindu nuthin"In Sudan "we dindu nuthin" In Yugoslavia "we dindu nuthin"In Nicaragua "we dindu nuthin" In Cuba "we dindu nuthin"on and on, all lies, and when in Ukraine we are asked to believe the west when it once again claims "we dindu nuthin", we're expected to believe the most predatory force on the planet when it does another influence op, another violent coup, turning another nation against its neighbor. Lmao.
>>541911822>turning another nation against its neighborEvery single one of Russias neighbours (who all hate them, with Belarus perhaps the only exception) got turned. A tragedy.
>>541911891Why do you think it took 20+ years for Ukraine to turn to the west, anon? Even then doing so broke them apart and fractured the country, its because the corrupt oligarchs and freakish nationalists that the west finally managed to put in charge do not represent the whole country. Even putting Zelensky in charge required him to promise to maintain neutrality, even though they had no intention of actually doing so.You can pump tens of billions of dollars and have the NED running propaganda psy ops non stop and you will eventually convince anyone to do anything, no matter how incredibly stupid it is, and now they've convinced Ukraine to commit suicide, and here we are.
>>541913123>Yes, every single one of Russias neighbours was tricked by the CIA to hate them.You lost, tranny.
>>541913916>anon thinks these countries flip for no reason>anon probably thinks Venezuela stopped shipments of oil to Cuba because Venezuelans hate Cubans>pay no attention to the decades of influence ops>pay no attention to the billions spent creating and pumping up "dissident movements">pay no attention to the intelligence or "NGO" ops to subvert Venezuela>pay no attention to the US straight up kidnapping the Venezuelan president>pay no attention to CIA dir. Ratcliff going to meet with Rodriguez in the aftermath>no, this was totally organic because Venezuela HATES Cuba :)"You lost, tranny", coming from the westoid globohomo supporter, lmao
>>541914203>Russias Neighbours>Venezuela>Cuba>muh CIAYou lost, tranny :)
>>541914526>can't follow a simple example of US subversion of a country"You lost, tranny" from the zogbot who is currently getting his proxy btfo'd, lmao
>>541900529>Why NATO is so bad in warfare?Too focused on fighting for LGBT rights
>>541914718>his proxyAfter you failed to produce a single theory why EVERY SINGLEONEof Russias neighbours hate them, you decided to pivot to South America. I actually applaud you: You are smarter than a decade of FSB propaganda, because they completely ignored US-Meddling in South America in their propaganda for years (because they are low-functioning low-intelligence subanimals). Regardless of your breathtaking innovative approaches that are certainly not rooted in damaged DNA, it was a very misplaced recollection of US crimes, considering we were talking about Russias neighbours.Who all hate them.(mbe Belarus excluded, as mentioned)And have so for centuries. You cant even read all that comprehensively.You lost, tranny.
>>541900529Because fighting armies is harder than bombing civilians.
>>541900529NATO isn't fighting. Not a single NATO unit. It's just Ukraine alone that has held off "the worlds second army". Ukraine doesn't have a single air craft from this century. Imagine if NATO WAS fighting. Squadrons of F-35s and newer F-16s, with better avionics/radar, with missiles with longer ranged, better data links, radar planes. The F34-35s that drop the FAB glide bombs world be nullified. These have been the key tactic to moscow's success. And that's just ONE variable that would be different.
>>541906674Why? Do you realize the MASSIVE advantages russia has (see pic), yet, they are going nowhere, in year 5 of a 3 day SMO. Ukraine has>1/10 the GDP >1/6th of the population >1/28th the land mass >15 times less oil production output >40 times less natural gas production output >1/8th of the pre-war active duty/reserve personnel >1/14th the amount of air craft>not a single air craft that was produced this millennium >no strategic bombers >no green/blue water navy>1/6th the number of merchant marines>1/12th no of air ports>fewer sea ports/terminals>Ru has 5 time the labor force. More than twice the labor force than Ukr has total population
>>541915134Not a single NATO unit is fighting against russia. Russia is the side that needed North Koreans to help, as a second belligerent country. Russia shills need to arrange it in their head that Russia is fighting NATO, to assuage the cognitive dissonance of the fact that they have been stalemated by a country that is disadvantaged in every way, as shown here>>541915269
russia has lost over a million soldiers in this war. how do you explain that?
>>541914990Belarus, China, Mongolia, Khazakstan are all fine with Russia, funny how the ones close to Europe or explicitly targeted by Europe like Georgia are the ones "turning against" Russia, its almost like there is a decades long campaign to turn themAnyway, enjoy watching Ukraine die as the European and US economies implode
>>541900529Is "NATO" in the room with you right now Boris? This war has been a historic humiliation for Russians. Imagine performing this poorly against your tiny third world neighbor.
Russia literally is going to freeze this winter
>>541900529>the russian govt is paying a glownigger to post this level of agitprop on 4chan with a sincere belief it will improve situation in russia and perception of russian failurethis may honestly be the largest cope in world history, i can think of single other event that matches this level of delusion and desperation.
>>541904480Your chart doesn't add up to even a single 10 thousand. Never mind several of those.
>>541900529Lyman status?
>>541915843>KhazakstanJarvis, how many Khazaks did the soviet union genocide or displace?
>>541900631Fucking kek
>>541900529>cant defeat Ukraine>tell its NATOkek, the absolute state of these niggers
>>541900529Moscow took 90 square KM in August compared to 505 km in Aug 2026. And, winter is coming. Their rate will slow, as we roll into year 6 of the 3 day SMO.
ohhhhhh those AI generated zuper zegroids are cauldrooning now so SCAWYshut the fuck up nigger, this is so utterly FAKE and FAGGOTED just like everything in the pathetic pidoration of rusnystan KEKAROOOO
>>541900529short answer, yeslong answer, YYYEEESSSSSS
I love this russian cope xD Why is north korea so bad at war? They are sacrificing hundreds of thousands of russian men, russian economy, some of their own soldiers and still norks can't defeat Nato
>>541903477but they killed her and raped her dead body on phone cam a few years back
>>541917165is that why the ukraine jew king been hiding in your land's war theme movie set all this time?
>>541906848Stale and stolen dogshit
>>541910218god your second spergout reply in this post is so unhinged redditor it outdoes everything you’re insinuating, especially when you’re willing to call people who don’t care about russians russian shills kek you’re so god damn non-white it’s insane
>>541910772So this where leopard/abrams NAFO sperging from last year goes to die along with a bunch of brits and us army rangers and swedes.. unless you’re very literal about the statements like a mentally ill autistic would. posts like yours makes it very self explanatory to anyone reading why you’re screaming into the void on 4chan of all places it’s actually genuinely grim kek
>>541917820puccia for short
>>541920754Rvssia
Yappus maximus balticus anatomy
>>541900636No, the US accounts for one third of the combined world defense spending (let alone black budgets), money is obviously not the issue here.
>>541902117>NATO soldiersMore than 100k current and former NATO soldiers have deployed to Ukraine. You really have no sense of scale of the mercenary deployments do you? Who do you think crewed all the western MBTs?>NATO navyDoesnt exist. There is the USN and thats it. Further, there is no sea theatre in this war. Do you plan to sail a CBG onland???>NATO airforceHas been providing 24/7 coverage of rear areas and supply lines, along with providing 24/7 realtime ISR targeting of Russian forces for the entire war. Further, “former” NATO pilots have been flying “former” NATO F-16s in Ukraine since ‘23.>muh F-35sProven to be a meme as they cannot even operate over Iran or Yemen. Without direct overflight the F-35 is a vastly more expensive vastly lower performance aircraft than the F-16.
>>541921442>moneys not the issueYes it is. When you have a world spanning empire with bases in nearly every country on earth, you HAVE to pay a LOT more than just a 1/3 of the world wide military spending. Despite ~1trillion a year being spent that only translates to ~12billion worth if munitions and hardware. Minus the overpriced USA premium, and the US isnt in the top four of worldwide military spending.
>>541900529Jews are good at profiting during the war, but they are retarded when it comes to actually fighting the war. They are getting caught in cauldron for the millionth time, and they still can't figure out how it works. The issue is obviously very low IQ.
>>541921955That post can get you banned on /k/.
>>541900877>>541900966If that location does not matter, why don't you order your soldiers to retreat from there? You order them to defend that position at all cost, and now you have 2000 soldiers surrounded in who gives a fuck village with population of 300 civilians. It makes no sense. Obviously low IQ.
>>541922439Its not low IQ its the split in IQ. Jews are shit at spatial IQ (ranking below arabs) but are spectacular at verbal IQ. Which means the can abuse the fuck out of contracts and anything word related, but when actual real world operations are needed they get BTFO by a bunch of uneducated arab orphans. Its hilarious to see how they simply cannot even conceive of how they are failing to destroy Hamas.
>>541906105They just don't think that the risk of getting killed is that high. After all, the footage is predominantly in the Ukrainian favor, right?
Yeah im not seeing it.
>>541922720Sadly it has. /k/ was taken over by the military many years ago, to the point almost a decade ago it was bannable to state that unless the USN started a mass ship building program our navy would look like the late soviet navy in a few years…..have tou seen the picture of the lincoln? Also saying the F-35 was an overpriced lemon that wouldnt be able to achieve overflight against even semi competent air defense teams also got me banned…..despite that also being proven right
>>541902199The us Air Force can't even fly over Iran you fucking brown subhuman
>>541900529A lot of reasons, but one of the biggest is because they shit where they eat when it comes to propaganda. The biggest modern example is that pretty much all modern NATO doctrines are based around the idea of the OODA loop. They think that when a person is fighting they first observe, then orient themselves, then decide what to do, then act, and then repeat that process, so the theory behind NATO doctrine is to "get inside the OODA loop" and overwhelm the enemy's ability to respond through rapid action. The idea came about after the Korean war, where it was used to explain why American fighters were able to get a 5:1 kill ratio against Russian and Chinese fighter aircraft over Korea, in spite of the fact that the American fighters were inferior in most respects, but were a bit more comfortable for the pilots. The thing is that the USAF never got a 5:1 kill ratio in Korea, in fact for a lot of the war it was closer to 0.8:1 and the OODA loop is bullshit. Science has demonstrated that human brain observes, orients, decides, and acts in parallel, not in a loop, and you can't just render people catatonic by being real fast at them. The OODA loop is hardly the only example of this problem, for instance when the US military used loud music to keep reporters from hearing the negotiations they were making with Manuel Noriega, they lied and said the loud music was a psychological warfare tactic to make him surrender, then later on the feds thought they could make the Branch Davidians at Waco surrender by blasting loud music at them. There is also the case of American propaganda dramatically overstating the effectiveness of SEAD operations during the '91 Gulf War, and now being bamboozled by how hard it is to penetrate Iranian IADS. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
>>541900877So you sent 2k troops or something to defend that
>>541923199>/k/ was taken over by the military many years agoIt wasn't that long ago. I remember back in 2018 there were still good threads from time to time. One day we will get our homeland back /k/omrade.
>>541900529>Day 1654 of the 3-Day Special Military Operation
>>541900529Are Russians really thinking they are fighting NATO right now lol? Ukraine isn't part of NATO you dumb fucks
>>541923833whats stopping you from making good threads on /k/?by what method has the military "taken over" /k/?some of you are unbelievably retarded.
>>541923139>liveuacope>The Ukraine still controls Petropavlivka!Yeah, not even the ISW believes that bullshit.
>>541924014how else can they explain this
>Zero NATO troops involed in this war>Russia is almost year 5 into a proxy war>Ziggers think mercenaries are NATO troopsHow come you guys haven't bombed a NATO carrier group or NATO military base then?
>>541924055>whats stopping you from making good threads on /k/?I stuck around trying to keep the flame alive longer than most, but eventually you get sick of every post being about how bad Russia is and how great NATO is, when all the evidence is to the contrary. Plus for a while there you could get banned just for talking about guns since the mods went fucking nuts for the first year or two of the war.>by what method has the military "taken over" /k/?I get that you're so slavishly devoted to the propaganda narrative that you've never experienced this first hand, but any post that contradicts that narrative on /k/ gets deleted and the poster gets banned. It's frequently for just pointing out basic facts which contradict whatever narrative is being pushed at the time. The reason you've never been banned for that is because you don't know enough about weapons or warfare to actually ever contradict the narrative.
>>541921955So no NATO troops have been deployed? Thanks for the update anon mercanries aren't actual troops or else you would be bitching about Columbians deploying troops that are actually individuals fighting in merc companies.Nice to know that vatniks are retarded.
>>541914203Good post..Why bother with that dipshit, though?
>>541904382> do you say the north vietnamese were soviet union troops?m8, i have no fucking clue about North Vietnamese. Ukraine is dully managed by Nato. In fact this is the best possible version of Nato, with expendable well trained soldiers. Regular lets say a Belgium nato unit will suck much more because they will be allowed to run away.
>>541924055/k/ was taken over by NATO active duty soldiers taking the janitor positions and instituting reddit tier banning practices. Theyd not only ban you for posting anything even slightly negative about NATO, theyd ban everyone who posted in the whole thread. There is no way to get the board back so long as the jannies remain actual NATO personnel.
>>541925994So let me get this straight anyone you don't like is a mariverse nato tranny? Is that how you guys cope when people laugh at year 5 of the SMO?
>>541925472See? Kikes have high verbal IQ but thats it. Columbian mercs arent tkaing their uniforms off handing in their guns, being shipped over to Ukraine, then outting THEIR OWN UNIFORMS ON AND GRABBING THEIR OWN GUNS AND CLIMBING INTO THEIR OWN TANKS, FOLLOWING A PLAN MADE BY THEIR OLD COMMANDING OFFICERS BASED ON ACTIVE DUTY ISR PEEPS. Simply put every facet of the NATO “mercs” is EXACTLY what NATO soldiers would be. Hell we even have the retroactively declared AWOL SpecOPs soldiers killed in Ukraine.Its a semantic game, and no one is buying it. This is also why you are so invested in keeping the war running. Because so long as its going on the dead soldiers can be declared MIA not KIA.
>>541926416>Things that didn't happen so i am going to have a melty and lie about realityYou sound like a jewish tranny. How many africans have died for Russia and how many of them would be considered actual african troops? Truely you don't understand the difference between the words mercenary and professional soldiers. Sneed and feed tranny you might actually be mariverse spammer who makes these stupid claims to make Russia sound worse then they actually do.
>>541926416Take another one for the road mariverse. go back to /ugh/ Semantics are jewish.
>>541900636>Sheeeeit, we needs more gibs in exchange for wunderwaffen that doesn't work.>Sheeeit, you's need to import more niggers and raise taxes so we can move more product.Americans are fucking niggers.
>>541900529greenzone defenders are not used to fighting a real Army.Russian orcs don't let them cal for a time-out!It's inhumane!
>>541900636So surely Russia has won the war, then, right?
>>541900901It is pretty funny.Even just poland would be enough to crush the Russians at this point.What a sad joke.
>>541922734>that location does not matter, why don't you order your soldiers to retreat from there?Because it's still defensible, obviously. That's been the plan since the failed counteroffensive of 2023: a grand-strategic fighting retreat as order of battle. Extract the maximum possible cost in manpower, materiel, and political capital from russia while minimizing the expenditure of its own. The war has obviously been costly for Ukraine as well, but they're fighting it better than Russia is.
>>541900529the only mapper I trust is Suryak and he's on vacationnot buying this until he updates his
>>541924069>4.5 years of active invasion of another country>arguing on the internet over who controls bum fuck nowhere in Ukraine>having to resort to completely made up gainsYou really need to take a step back mate. It doesn't matter whether Russia controls one or two random villages. It doesn't lead anywhere. Russia isn't advancing fast enough not putting enough pressure on Ukraine to accomplish anything relevant. We're just going to witness more years of shit flinging and by then, whatever village was controlled this month or two months ago will be entirely irrelevant.
>>541900529Because they never faced an equal opponent. It was always 20th century vs 12th century that they got used to.
>zigger shills have to post literally made up maps now lol
>>541928235In a very real way, Russia lost the war over four years ago after they tried and failed to blitz Kyiv. It demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that it was not the power it once was -- a totally degraded power irrelevant except for its precious nooks.
>>541928235>not putting enough pressure on UkraineTheir hand was forced and they are doing that right now. All ports and border crossings destroyed and getting warehouses bombed daily is unsustainable. Even if Europe had enough gibs they can't physically get them there anymore.
>>541900529Who the fuck are you making these threads for, Mr. 2pbtid?You out of all people should *know* that /pol/ is mostly Russian internet brigade agitprop posters and the occasional jeet hired by JIDF.You're literally making these threads for your own people and then you circle jerk around it.Fucking retard KYS.
>>541900529>We surrounded 12 guys maybe. Zigger success is really unimpressive these days.
>>541910772>no modern tanks>no modern ifv>no soldiers
>>541928435Mk so then why is Ukraine the one drafting nonstop out of money with no infrastructure or soldiers.
>>541900529there's nobody in there
>>541929722Duh. Dead Ukraine don't count as alive.yoitr do smart.
>>541928235We get it. You're going to redefine victory every time to claim the Ukraine won despite losing HALF THEIR FUCKING POPULATION.If the war ended today along the line of contact, the Ukraine would face decades of privation.I don't know how closely you follow the domestic front, but they already spent their budget for the second half of 2026 and are looking at running out of money to pay their soldiers as early as October.Do you think the EU is going to keep doling out $90 billion "loans" if they don't receive dead Russians in return? What is the Ukraine's future? I'm honestly curious what bullshit you tell yourself.
>>541901805>1.5 million casualties
>>541925994>reddit tier banning practicesYou're still butthurt about the jannies banning picrel? You were so cocky at first.
>>541929906>6 million Russians on a 1800 mile front yet can't grab any groundI do like how you have to use the word casualty now but you know damn well the you pitch is D E A D.
>>541929906Casualties include injured soldiers out of action and there's enough Stumpy McStumpertons wandering St Petersburg and Moscow to validate the 1.5 million figure.Actual dead is a trickier question. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say somewhere north of 300k. Not great but his is Russia we're talking about.
>>541930194What the fuck is this map supposed to reflect?
>>541900529But we are not at war? And proxy wars dont count, because it that case the americans can bitch and cry they where not fighing vietnam but the soviet union and ccp china trough vietnam in a proxy war.
>>541900529NATO is not fighting dude
>>541900529I don't read Faggotese, zigger
>>541928464Man, you niggers really are special. Yeah, Russia just intentionally lost the entirety of its mechanized army and a third of its strategic bomber fleet, because they didn't feel "pressured" until now. But surely the warehouses will win the war.You really just go from one talking point you've been fed to the next. You are entirely clueless about this war.>>541929850Nice projection. Are we going to ignore the last 30 years of schizo Russian nationalist claims?What options do you think the EU have exactly? I don't know how you retards still think this is a problem where you can just sign some treaty and move on like nothing happened. Trump has accomplished fuck all in achieving peace because you whole bunch of retards fundamentally do not understand the problem.
>>541900636how come sweden and finland had top tier free health care to brown people without being part of NATO? Are they special?
>>541930539This GAYTO chickenshits are too busy dancing like a bunch of fucking faggots
>>541904480>mercenaries>literally pays less than the average job in a westoid countryI hate you retards so much it is unreal. I hope Putin nooks us just so your niggers get obliterated too.
>>541930925holy shit I hate scandinavian/baltic niggers
>>541900529The Germans didnt rape to death anywhere near enough russian women and children in the 40s and it shows.
>>541931078We already knew spics hate Aryans.
>>541931500>hun rape babies >aryan
>>541930814>Russia just intentionally lost the entirety of its mechanized armyRussian armor losses are incredibly overblown. Sites like Oryx do an abysmal job of vetting claimed kills, so they will count the same destroyed vehicle photographed from multiple angles as more than one vehicle, they'll count Ukrainian losses as Russian, they accept extremely low quality photos as proof of destruction, and they frequently classify damaged vehicles as destroyed. I am not going to say that Russia hasn't lost a lot of armor, but I will say that the Ukrainian and western claims are definitely wrong.>a third of its strategic bomber fleetThat was a big deal, but not as big a deal as people pretend.>But surely the warehouses will win the war.Logistics win wars. So yes, attacking logistical hubs will definitely have a major impact on the war. The fact that they haven't done so in a serious way up to now is a sign of malpractice on the part of the Russian general staff.
>>541900529its another episode of the deluded russian believes he is fighting the entirety of western europe and north america
>>541931580>I hate scandinavian/baltic>hun>not even Hungarians but the unrelated extinct tribe from the 5th centuryWe already knew spics were retarded.
>>541931631'Yes, there is peepee in his bussy, but thsts not a big deal because the guy hasn't cummed yet"
Does anybody have a NATO casualty count?
>>541902751Because to acknowledge reality would be to face the fact that they submitted to an idiot for 26 years who has diminished russia. They would rather live in a fantasy world where Russia is mighty and Putin is their fearless champion.Not unlike the MAGA base in regards to Trump.
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>>541932212Six (6) gorillion and counting. I can see a russian armored column approaching from off in the distance even. God bless our saviors.
>>541932212Anon... I... NATO isn't at war. They never sent a single solider. The best you can do is count volunteers dead.
Nato lost 0 soldiers and its old equipment. Pussia lost 1.5 million soldiers, its entire arsenal and all prestige.
>>541931928>I can't actually defend the idea that Russian equipment losses have been bad enough to matter, so I'll just pretend that what the argument was actually about was whether the Russians have lost any armor at all.Classic motte and bailey fallacy, perfect form>>541932212There are some battles where the Russians have published numbers for how many of the personnel were foreign "volunteers", but all casualty numbers on both sides are highly dubious. We know that the death toll of foreign personnel in the Kursk operation was pretty high, but pinning down even a rough estimate is very difficult.
>>541926612>>541926731See? The jewish shills cannot defend their assertion that NATO forces werent involved and cannot challenge the fact that NATO troops were involved, so they are reduced to random shit flinging and ad hominems. Seriously you guys fucked up when you ignored us telling you everything you had to fix and instead thought you could shitpost your way to victory.>>541930008Banning every single dissenting thread and everyone who posted in them for years is indeed reddit tier. And notice how the pro NATO and NAFO slop threads were NOT banned. Further notice how every single thread pointing out flaws in western hardware is nuked. But hey, thats all okay cause there was some shit posting banned!!!Seriously this is IDF justification for murdering kids. Well some of them might have known a Hamas member…..
>>541932401I don't know what a motte bailey is.I don't usually drop esoteric wisdom as this isnt reddit.
>>541932401>casualty numbers on both sides are highly dubiousFully agree here. You can trust these official numbers for shit.>foreign personnel in the Kursk operationWasn't that mostly North Korean gooks on the Russian side?
>>541931879>hun rape baby can't infer anything on his own because he is an idiot who literally needs to be spoon-fed >calls others retards >>541932395What about their Izzat?!
>>541901995>which side is getting their capitals dronedYou're right, Ukraine isn't getting droned, they're getting missiled.
>>541932395Lmao. We have dead navy seals, rangers, marsoc, and delta operators found in theatre. Further PAC 3 is the top of the line and weve lost a bunch of those systems and missiles there. Hell dozens of NATO generals have gone to visit Ukraine then died of “heartattacks” on the way back to home….heck sitting senators have had that happen too. Our losses are way above 0.
>>541932430>deflects completely from the visible spamAre you blind?
>>541930302AI slop that vaguely resembles Ukraine
>>541930814I thought we were talking about the war in the Ukraine. What are you talking about?As for the EU, they have the option of not giving the Ukraine more money.And yes, you can sign a treaty and move on. It's how nearly every single war has ended in human history.WWII was the exception and that was a consequence of totalenkrieg.What you do not understand is Russia is not going to bend the knee to your reddit-tier scolding. They give zero fucks.You'd think after 4 years of brutal warfare that has flattened half the fucking Donbass, you'd understand that by now.War is not an internet argument. You do not win with smuckles and whining to mods. You win by destroying the enemy's capability to wage war.The Ukraine's ports are blockaded, their air defense batteries are empty, and they are manning their army with those who are too drunk or too slow to evade bussification.I ask again, what future is there for the Ukraine? Or do you simply not give a shit?
>>541932430Also if youre going to simp this hard A make sure your gag reflex is under control. Like make SURE, trust me.B if you dont love it leave it, commieC deez nutz nigga D turn off your VPNE ?????????????????F profit Also kill yourselfAlso also the game
>>541932655"I am a huge faggot please rape my face"That's what you sound like
>>541932430> NATO forces werent involvedThanks for your concession tranny.
>>541932599you should missile a european city, i want to see what happens when every russian in eastern ukraine is turned to carbon dust
>>541932716In the smaller map Ukraine gained a buffer territory between Hungary and Slovakia. As well as Paris? And Kaliningrad was annexed to Poland. And the Donbas is back in Ukrainian control. I don't know what OP meant by this.
>>541900529Now just imagine if that really was NATO and not your backyard brethren.
Jokes aside i think pidor spam has got to be the worst of all spams on /pol/ ever, could you imagine if the US invaded mexico and we were stuck in tijuana 5 years later?
>>541932392>NATO isn't at war. They never sent a single solider. The best you can do is count volunteers dead.Out of curiosity, do you also accept that excuse about China during the Korean war?>>541932477>I don't know what a motte bailey is.It's a kind of castle which had a larger more poorly defended area called the motte and a smaller, more heavily fortified area called the bailey. The motte and bailey fallacy is where you don't actually defend the claim you are making, instead you defend a different, easier to defend claim.>I don't usually drop esoteric wisdomSorry, I am a refugee from /k/ and I am used to people knowing very basic facts about the history of warfare. I'll try to dumb things down to your level in the future.>>541932568>Wasn't that mostly North Korean gooks on the Russian side?No, the North Koreans were actually mostly artillery crews and stuff, the only North Koreans who participated in direct combat were a pretty small unit of special forces operators who by all accounts performed admirably for their first actual combat experience. They did take casualties, but it's nothing like what the Ukrainians claimed where Russia ran out of men and it was actually human waves on North Koreans that they were fighting. The foreign volunteers I am talking about were on the Ukrainian side. They were deployed to Kursk since it was seen as an extremely important mission by the Ukrainian command. The western volunteers were some of the best they had, at least for the first few years of the war. At this point the only foreigners they can get to sign up are borderline retards and Colombians.
>>541933117Mexico is half the size of the USA in population. This is like invading Canada and being stuck around Toronto.
>>541932968Yeah yeah article 5 any day now, no Poland doesn't count, Lithuania doesn't count, etc.
>>541933289>Out of curiosity, do you also accept that excuse about China during the Korean war?Why would I? The PLA had 3 million of its soldiers in Korea. Commanded with the full knowledge and approval of the Chinese leadership. Foreign fighters in Ukraine work on a "I don't ask and I don't see" basis. I'm fairly certain European countries have legal restrictions on volunteering if you're serving in the army. Categorically different. Mao's eldest son Mao Anying died in the Korean War.But sure if I concede then we can increase the count to the low thousands or so dead. Colombia claimed the most with 800 so far. 200 for the USA. Maybe another hundred from Georgia. What then?>inb4 the numbers are way higher and there is a global conspiracy of the families of volunteers, the media and the governments to hide the true numbers
>>541900529>MAH HECKING ENCIRCLERINOS
>>541934046Also forgot to mention but there were volunteers from the West fighting for Russia and the separatists before 2022. Where do we count them? Russian casualties or NATO casualties? I hope you can see the issue with both interpretations.
>>541934167Its just Russian cope. Mercenaries have been around since before the Greeks moved out of their caves from the great flood. Then they say jewish kike shit like Semantics over that term as if it doesn't have a reason to exist.
>>541934046>The PLA had 3 million of its soldiers in Korea.Officially the PVA was not part of the PLAhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Volunteer_Army>Commanded with the full knowledge and approval of the Chinese leadership.Not officially>Foreign fighters in Ukraine work on a "I don't ask and I don't see" basis.Officially>I'm fairly certain European countries have legal restrictions on volunteering if you're serving in the army.I know that Poland passed a law to relax those restrictions, I can't remember the details about it.>Categorically different.No, it was pretty much an identical setup, just much larger in scale since China doesn't do anything without killing a million Chinamen.>inb4 the numbers are way higher and there is a global conspiracy of the families of volunteers, the media and the governments to hide the true numbersI'm sorry, do you think that there *isn't* a broad based effort in the west to misinform people about the war in Ukraine? Do you think the media aren't colluding in a campaign of deliberate deception with regards to the war in Ukraine?>there were volunteers from the West fighting for Russia and the separatists before 2022. Where do we count them? Russian casualties or NATO casualties?They were actual volunteers and mercenaries, so I count them as whatever side they were fighting for.>I hope you can see the issue with both interpretations.I wish you could realize that both things can be true, there are actual mercenaries, and actual volunteers, but there are also a lot of "volunteers" who are serving members of NATO militaries. They are mostly operating the high end systems which there wasn't time to train Ukrainians to operate.
>>541935028>moving the goalposts like thathaha okay faggot, turn off your vpn or post tits because you dont even know chosin reservoir or anything about korea, just obviously google arguing
>>541900529They must be really good. They haven't lost a single soldier nor have they entered the battlefield. But russia is still losing anyway.
>>541935028Embarrassing post anon.
>>541935580>moving the goalposts like thatHow did I move the goalposts?
>>541935804Define mercenary and Active Duty Military Troops.
>>541935028>Not officiallyMuh legalism. I didn't ask what the documents and units shuffled around to avoid legal liability say. I said "full knowledge and approval of the Chinese leadership". Who led the PVA? Who were the members of the PLA? China detached part of their army and gave it a different name.>They were actual volunteers and mercenaries, so I count them as whatever side they were fighting for.KEK so when the war broke out the newly enlisted volunteers became agents and don't count? Oh wait with the Korean war it was the decision of the Chinese government and in Ukraine it was the decision of individuals.>identical setup, just much larger in scaleThe larger scale is because it was the Chinese army. British volunteers are random dudes.>there are also a lot of "volunteers">operating the high end systemsGiving you the benefit of the doubt. How many casualties came from operating radar systems? These aren't foot soldiers by your own admission.
>>541929639Because Russia still has enough power to require it, obviously, but equally obviously nowhere near enough power to settle the war conclusively
>>541936044>Who were the members of the PLAMeant to say PVA here. But same shit really. Also meant to say that Western politicians being oblivious to a small number of volunteers leaving to Ukraine our of residual hatred for Russia starting this war is very different from the Chinese Politburo deciding on the course of action. To take. Scale matters a lot because it's the most indicative thing out there on what's happening.Outside of this conversation. If a squad crosses the border for whatever reason, that is not a war. Call it an accident, an act of provocation, hybrid warfare, etc. If multiple division do that, that's a war. Legal paperwork ready or not. The only difference between these two is scale.
>>541936523Russians cope by saying that the NK troops were actually Merc's so they cannot be reasoned with. If that poster is actually Russian i would be stocking up in food. Even if you aren't Russian the reduced yield in food from both countries is going to hurt + increase in oil costs.
>>541935866I'm not sure why you're asking me that. Are you saying I am using some unusual definition of those words as part of a trick to move the goalposts? Could you just actually say what you mean instead of dancing around it?>>541936044>Muh legalism.Which is exactly how NATO forces are sent to Ukraine. That's my point.>KEK so when the war broke out the newly enlisted volunteers became agents and don't count?No, I'm saying that in addition to actual volunteers and a lot of Colombian mercenaries, there are active duty personnel from NATO militaries who are in Ukraine and in some cases, like the Polish formations, they have their own distinct chain of command separate from the Ukrainian chain of command.>British volunteers are random dudes.Most of the British volunteers do seem to actually just be volunteers, although there is some evidence that there have been SAS or SBS deployments related to the war involving stuff like sabotage in the sea of Azov.>How many casualties came from operating radar systems?Not sure, could be in the dozens to low hundreds. The Patriot has this fucking retarded design where the radar, launcher, and command unit are all in one vehicle, so if a Patriot gets schwacked the crew usually goes with it. Same is true with a lot of western AA.>These aren't foot soldiers by your own admission.There are some, like the Polish units, but you're right, the actual NATO personnel probably have not taken huge casualties during the war. The issue of whether NATO personnel are involved is separate from foreign personnel being casualties, which is also separate from the question of whether Russia can be said to be fighting NATO.
>>541936724>Which is exactly how NATO forces are sent to Ukraine.They aren't define Mercenary and Active Duty Troops anon.
>>541936834Huh?
>>541937064We got a stupid nigger in this thread. ESL alert.
>>541900529How's your three day military thing going? It's been five years.
>>541937125>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?Uh, do you think you wrote a coherent sentence or something?
>>541937064Anon tell me how defining a term that has been around since antiquity is so hard to describe?
>>541937364Give me your definition of mercenary and active duty troops? You can read english, right nigger?
>>541936724>they have their own distinct chain of command separate from the Ukrainian chain of command.Having an internal chain of command isn't new or unusual to foreign volunteer units. I would highly request proof they report to Tusk or... Andy Burnham and not the Ukrainian chain of command. The Ukrainian Army is kind of known for atypical independent units by now. >dozens to low hundredsThe SAS has 400-600 people. The GROM has 3 combat teams. You're implying that maybe a quarter of these organizations is gone without any visible trace. It's also pathetic to type out "dozens to low hundreds" after going on a pedantic tangent about how NATO is taking losses in this war. Just not noticeable.
>>541935757I wanna listen to that thing grumble and groan
I can't believe the Russian shills have become fully jewish from the Soviet brainwashing. They cannot define the difference between Mercenary and Military Troops. They simply are made paralyzed by the thought of going against their brainwashing. Purely jewish hands molded these peoples brains. Always they decide to not read english when presented with a simple question. I slowly began to hate the jews.
>>541937364Kike turn on your translator and answer my question. What's the difference between a Merc and a Military Soldier?
>>541937482>Having an internal chain of command isn't new or unusual to foreign volunteer units.True, and I'll admit that my claim that they are active duty personnel is basically impossible to verify, but the Polish government making it legal to do that and then whole brigades of Polish troops just showing up and having more or less pre formed organization is a bit silly to interpret as just being ordinary volunteers.>The SAS has 400-600 people. The GROM has 3 combat teams. You're implying that maybe a quarter of these organizations is gone without any visible trace.You so consistently misinterpret what I say that I'm starting to think you're doing it on purpose. I said that there have potentially been dozens to low hundreds of dead operators of highly specialized weapon systems which Ukrainian personnel do not have the expertise to use. I have no clue what the death toll of the various western special forces outfits in Ukraine has been.>It's also pathetic to type out "dozens to low hundreds"What you're doing is pathetic, we're engaged in three different arguments here and you mix them together them whenever it's convenient for you. The question of whether foreign "volunteers" (in quotes because I'm lumping in all foreign fighters here) died in the Kursk operation is separate from the question of whether all the volunteers are actually volunteers, which is also separate from whether NATO personnel have died in the war.>going on a pedantic tangent about how NATO is taking losses in this warI'm not a partisan, I'm not trying to win the argument for my side. I care about what's actually happening.
