why hasn't russia achieved air superiority in Ukraine?Russian jets cannot even operate over ukrainian airspace
>>541924993they can, where do you think all the FAB bombs drop from? From God?
>>541925056that only happens right on the line of contact in Donetsk, and they are probably launching them inside russian airspace
>>541925056straw man, you know for a fact FABs do not require air superiority. faggot>>541924993because small reserve of patriot missiles are preserved for this exact reason.
>>541924993>why hasn't russia achieved air superiority in Ukraine?Why do you ask 4 years after this war started? USSR/Russian doctrine is about air denial, not air superiority, which has it's flaws.
>>541925204>>541925239they still launched them above the warzone though, some FABs fly as far as to cities like Zaporizhie or even deeper. Meantime Kyiv/Kiev/Kveef has now been hammered nonstop by drones/bombs/missiles for the past ~200 hours. What would a fighter jet change?
>>541925504they are launched as far in as they can without risking a shot down, how it's calculated I don't know
>>541924993Why risk it when they can bomb retarded Ukranians from afar? This whole war is jewish AF like you OP
>>541924993It would cost them probably up to 50+ planes shot down and billions of euros and a lot more equipment to launch a major air strike, localize all the air defense systems and destroy them.I would personally risk it.
>>541924993Have you seen russian pilots? They're all fat mongoloids
>>541924993Russia already has missile dominance over Ukraine.Kiev gets pounded daily which is why Zelensky begs for a ceasefire but the western copeganda doesn’t report on this.
>>541924993We struggled to get air superiority over Iran and ended up just firing all our ordinance from standoff distance much like Russia is doing.Modern AAA is very good and hard to counter.
>>541926672just nuke AA from space lol
>>541926371said fat hispanoid
>>541925204Russian air force is like the Luftwaffe of WW2. It follows the Army. It doesn't do independent strategic operations.
>>541924993All rus gov are west spies. They can collapse whole UA oil in 4 ballistic strikes on 2 roads
>>541924993>why hasn't russia achieved air superiority in Ukraine?Russia thinks in chess terms. I'm going to guess that Ukrainian airspace is very well defended. They're relying on their fighter forces to defend against further attacks, or are planning on using their fighter forces to devastating effect. I'm not sure how good Russian fighter jet production is, so it might be the case that for every jet blown up it'll take 12 weeks to replace it or something.
>>541924993>why hasn't russia achieved air superiority in Ukraine?They have. Air superiority and air supremacy are different things. >Russian jets cannot even operate over ukrainian airspaceThey do. There's drone assisted SEAD against Patriot and IRIS-T launchers as well as constant launches of FABs, which have now expanded to Odessa because the risk of flying that close has been reduced.Real question is why hasn't Israel and muttmerica achieved that over Iran when that's their only doctrine? They still hang back and fire overpriced standoff Tomahawks.
can any army really achieve air supremacy anymorefeel like even stealth aircraft get destroyed by modern AD
>>541927052In the USAF they call them cabbage heads because of their fat stupid looking mongoloid heads with narrow eyes that can't see straight
>>541924993Russia took what it wants and holding it, dumb kike. why the fuck would russia want to feed hohol kikes? when all hohols are dead is when Russia will take the land and settle it with Russians
the su30 is literal garbage
>>541928103upgraded su-30sM2 is pretty decent, it can use the r37mespecially with a good chinese awacs
>>541928527Pakistani?
>>541928641no, Algerianour Su-30MKA are getting upgraded in Russia rn and the chinese AWACS we're getting are compatible with them (because china made their su-35 work with their awacs)
>>541926672>thisPeople don't understand how difficult and dangerous modern anti-aircraft systems are, hell, even the not-so-modern ones.It seems to me that the popular view is too biased by movies and video games, even in wars where it was a superpower against a third-world country.
>>541929139The reason I asked was that afaik the Su-30MKA has Indian electronics so that wouldn't go well.Algeria is building a very impressive army these days.
>>541929282Well we're the biggest spenders on earth rn on military, 10% of the GDP. Israel and Russia are second and third (9% and 7.5%)in the past year alone our air force aquired the Su-57, Su-35, Su-34, upgrading the Su-30 to SM2 standard, and on it's going to receive a newly custom built chinese AWAC with some J-10C/J-31 the Su-75 and S-70 Okhotnik-B are also needed ASAP.
>>541927983what does USAF say about pineapple on pizza?
>>541925056That's not what air superiority means.They use MiG-31s at the service ceiling to launch glide bombs and FABs from Crimean airspace. They cannot reach Kyiv so they must use drones and cruise missiles for that. Russia doesn't have air superiority because Ukrainian Air Force and Air Defenses.
>>541924993How many American jets have operated inside Iranian airspace in the past 2 months? It turns out that expensive manned equipment (jets, warships, tanks) is fucking useless in the current age of widespread adoption of electronics, computers, and drones. Still, Russia is currently dropping more than 8,000 FAB glide bombs on Ukraine a month. They’ve done so for the past two years, and Ukraine has barely managed to shoot down a handful of aircraft. And they have state-of-the-art NATO air defense, mind you. They’re not Iran lmao.
>>541926672>>541929219well said
Ukraine like Russia had loads of Soviet era AA missiles. Then it started getting Patriots from the West but Trump has burned through all of those. Ukraine is getting Meteor presumably from Europe next should keep Russian planes back.
>>541926672>We struggled to get air superiority over Iranhuh?kikes were just flying into their airspace no problem
>>541924993How the fuck do you think it can be possible to operate over ukrainian airspace when hohols were given 10k MANPADs without exterminating to the last hohol first? If you fly under radar you can get shot from anywhere with those, if you fly above you can get shot by large AA missiles even from Poland.
>>541933814>kikes were just flying into their airspace no problemsure nigger, how many kike jets have operated inside iranian airspace in the past 5 months? and dont dare to tell us they dont want to. if they could, they would. but they wont, because they cant
>>541933819Even from Türkē, kaccyapie. :)
>>541934072>sure nigger, how many kike jets have operated inside iranian airspace in the past 5 months?why the fuck would they? they baited the yanks to fight for them
>>541934438> yanksYeah, the notoriously weak US Airforce that is inferior to the kike one.Again, how many American jets have operated inside Iran since last June ? Back in 2003, it took them 30 days to topple Saddam. What has happened to the superpower doing superpower things? Shooting stand alone missiles from Bahrain? Thats just a good as Russia. But Russia is fighting with shovels and dishwashers, your countrymen told me so
>>541924993The west gave them all the air defense systems they had in storage. At one point they literally had more air defense than all of Europe combined. It didn't help them anyway>>541925204>that only happens right on the line of contact in DonetskNo anymore. Fabs started falling on Odessa and other cities farther away.
>>541924993Planes are an obsolete technology of the 20th century, effective against the sand people with AK-47s. Easy to counter.
>>541934898>The west gave them all the air defense systemsUSA is not known for it's ground based air defense, you are. They are known for their planes and they have a lot more of and better planes. Those are not given to Ukraine for whatever reason, possibly because the world treats them as some unshottable wunderwaffe and certainly they would be shot down as well.
>>541934223Kek
>>541933814>>541934072When Israel wants to bomb someone, they need to fly jets. America has the luxury of long-range strike weaponry, in amounts that Israel simply doesn't have.
>>541934821kikes used f35 not f15/f18/a10
