>”So basically in conclusion dont debate fascists, don’t platform fascists, disrupt their gatherings, don’t let them speak, attempt to get them fired from their jobs and if necessary, cause violence at their meeting so authorities ban them.”Can someone explain to me how any self conscious “anti-fascist” who believes these are the most powerful tactics sees themself as in the tradition of liberal democracy?Like if “Fascism” is such a seductive fucking ideology that if people are allowed to openly campaign for it in a liberal democracy it would inevitably win wouldn’t that (at the least) discredit democracy in the eyes of the leftist??Another question of course might be what is their explanation for W.H.Y. Fascism is so appealing to popular majorities but why don’t we just start with that.Why do these people give a fuck about “democracy” if they view the people as blood thirsty reactionary cattle who need to have their information deeply censored in order to not get infected by fascist ideology?Wouldn’t it just be simpler (infact kinder) for them to just abolish democracy and explicitly lead the masses to whatever policy preference is “”correct”” (by leftist standards)?
>>541990411No, you're as mistaken as humanly possible about this.The thing about these anti-fascists is that they don't care about ideology at all. They want to take these hostile actions towards SOME group, ANY group, and they've latched onto the fascists as the most easily justifiable group to attack.They would be just as happy persecuting anybody else, they DON'T care about ideas, they don't care about words.They just want a victim they can attack easily who can't fight back as easily.
>>541990411problem with these retards is that they think anyone who doesn't agree with them 100% is a "fascist".they even call the conservative party in the UK "fascist", despite them being extremely left wing, pro-gay, pro-mass immigration, pro-tranny.
>>541990411You know how fascists answered this behaviour back in Europe? By marching through the streets and killing uppity communists with rifles before disposing their more cowardly comrades in concentration camps.If you actively advocate for division and against open dialogue and diplomacy, then you are forcing those tensions to unload in more violent ways.
>>541990411>How "WE" beat the fascistsYeah, you sent American and English fascists to help the Russian Commies.P.S. they'd even call the commies fascists today.
>>541990411>Wouldn’t it just be simpler (infact kinder) for them to just abolish democracy and explicitly lead the masses to whatever policy preference is “”correct”” (by leftist standards)?They actually did but pretending they haven't is part of the charade.
>>541990411>How WE beat the fascists last time?Does anyone else find this fucking cringe; like bitch you are a spoiled white girl in California not a red army officer dying in the trenches. YOU didn't do shit
>>541990411>who believes these are the most powerful tacticsThose *ARE* the most powerful tactics, stupid. The rest of us are the ones who *BELIEVE* they're wrong and don't use them because for some reason we want to lose.
>>541990411it's mind boggling that you are still debating them, or trying to anyway. then never ever changed their mind in any regard, in any debate, ever, anywhere. why would they do it at all from now on? they're just waiting for their rebound anyway.there is no deprogramming them, or debating facts or any of that shit. if anyone of them ever changes their mind about any minute detail of their religion they get devoured by their own. they know that, hence they never ever change their mind with anything, no matter how fucking retarded, once it's signaled by the approved influencers (disseminated propaganda and talking points).
>>541990411>sees themself as in the tradition of liberal democracy?they don't. they only proclaim to care about democracy because they feel it currently serves their purpose.they'll abandon it the second it no longer does that
>>541991626>They want to take these hostile actions towards SOME group, ANY group, and they've latched onto the fascists as the most easily justifiable group to attack.100%They want something to project their hatred onto. They want a socially acceptable target of hatred. They don't have a loving or compassionate state of inner being, they have their own hatred, and project it into their enemy. They like nothing better than to have an enemy they believe deserves their hatred.They are metaphysically inept, not capable of understanding that the hatred they feel is within themselves, and not caused by their external target.All people who have rejected Jesus's teaching, >love your enemy,suffer from this condition.
>>541990411>>541991626Pretty much summed up the entire modern political landscape in 2 posts, nice job. FPBP really nailed it. I noticed this back in the 2000s. People really want an enemy to attack and destroy, and if they can feel justified in the process it becomes pure mental masterbation for them. Same thing with pedo hunters and the like.
>>541993602Simply summed up. The antifa member is evil. And one should always be ready to defend themselves from evil in case it attacks.
>>541990411What is "anti-fascism"? It just seems like nigger worship and goyslavery to me. Like sorry, but I don't want to simp for disabled kike trannies.
>>541993937>What is "anti-fascism"?shield for acting like a piece of shit. just like many other words, the concept has been hijacked. they redefined what it means so they can milk its initial virtue, hide behind it while doing banal criminal shit
>>541990411>Like if “Fascism” is such a seductive fucking ideology that if people are allowed to openly campaign for it in a liberal democracy it would inevitably win wouldn’t that (at the least) discredit democracy in the eyes of the leftist??This is like saying "if burglars are so fucking powerful that they can occasionally steal your shit despite locks, doesn't this discredit the idea of private property in the eyes of a person who owns valuable things"
>>541990411People will say any manner of stupid things to maintain a sense of control. It's how they're wired. Doesn't matter which side they're on. It's very rare the ones that need no control. Those are the ones that see how blind the rest are. There's a proper way to do things. And there's the way to do things according to the ego. People create their own suffering. That's the funniest part.
This thread again?
>>541990411Antifascism is a product of communism, it advocates explicitly for communism and is so against it because fascism is the only system that can truly fight communism on popular footing. Fascism is an existential threat to communism, so they go out of their way to squash it before it grows, but usually this just causes more support for fascism, and creates the violent unrest that leads to the necessity of some kind of strong authoritarian system. Liberal communists are very much the definition of useful idiots and pave the way for the most extreme types of authoritarianism.
>>541994076Thats a very bad analogy
>>541993016Extra ironic because I'm sure she'd be the first one to scream that same thing at a White supremacist proud of aqueducts or cathedrals or something like that. >>541993602I forget the exact quote, but your post reminded me of something from one of those big philosophers about how powerful it is for an authority to give people permission to do things they know are bad, but it's "ok" because they're doing them to bad people.
>>541994516Is just perfect, all the factic powers I know want WW3 in european soilCode for white genocide
>>541993138Because if we use those tactics we destroy the institutions and values we wish to protect.
>>541994076>Liberal Democrats: Democracy is great because everyone gets to think about the best way to govern and the best idea for the most people will always win out!Okay, what about a state that cares for the advancement of its people first and foremost?>Liberal Democrats: N-not like that!
>>541994842true, but history is proof that dirty tactics wins wars. that is why they're doing it
>>541994934Advancement by what metrics? One man's advancement is another man's regression
>>541990411Buy an ad
>>541994842I don't care about giving values to the enemy who wants me dead. I care about giving death to the enemy who wants me dead.
>>541991626Fpbp
>>541994384Antifascists are Illuminati crisis actors.All they do is make a big shit show around a person or a thing in hopes of agitating or inciting a mob to form around it..They ARE the mob. They know we know that they're organized criminals with ties to federal agencies. That's really all there is to the matter.If you're white and from the USA, you don't even need to have this spelled out for you. You just know. And its why they shut down all of the legal brothels and raised the AoC to 18.What really happened to the USA in the early 1900s was a coup de tat by our enemies before sending millions of us off to a meat grinder in WW1 and WW2. Then they blew up the WTC to rub it in your faces.
>>541990411I'd explain how that works but I don't debate fascists - sorry about that.
>>541990411Libertarians are the only anti-fascists since they're the only ones that both parties don't like. If either of the two parties support you then you can't be anti-fascist since they both just take turns with authoritarianism.
Just browse lefty-pol to balance out the anti-antisemitism while still gate-keeping the hobby of anonymous message forums.
>>541990411You're arguing rhetoric with a creature that only understands argument as a series of arbitrary noises one makes to get someone they want to kill to not fight back until it's too late.Do you know how silly you look doing that?
>>541994842Those institutions and values are eroding at an alarming rate, anyway. Face it, if democracy allowed globohomo clownworld to come about, then what good was it? I still believe the populace should get some say in how it's governed, but fuck me we gotta stop counting every single NPC that gets every opinion downloaded directly from Jewscorp or Viagoy programming. We need, AT MINIMUM poll tests to ensure voters have some basic idea who they're electing beyond "Republiturds/Demoncrats bad".
>>541990411They're the actual fascists, since fascism basically means not allowing any other opinions besides your own.
>>541995400A laboring man can't even go to the whore house and spend his hard earned money to get his dick sucked!
>>541990411fascism is the way
>>541990411COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>541995476another
>>541990411This is why a go fund me should be started for the juror who held out, not as a reward (even if he deserves it), but so he never has to worry about employment or safety for himself and his family.
>>541995259No, libertarians are literally children with a naive and mostly blind ideology, are often co-opted by fascist or far right forces because of these failings. Note i'm referring to North American lolberts, not European anarchists - they tend to lean left.
>>541995531Nah man its a matter of scale. Small libertarian communities and Small communes are pretty similar. They always have a good start, then some glowie faggot ruins everything.
>>541994842You mean those values that we have utterly failed to protect because we projected them onto our enemies like retards?
>>541991626Yes, that is correct, but don't forget the money.They ARE getting paid to do what they do. The payment goes higher, the higher they rise in ranks. It is as easy to join these groups, or easier, than to join a local drug dealing gangs and get paid and rise in ranks. Doesn't require going to school, just memorize some slogans and later more about talking points and then tactics and all that. Ezpz.Since it is state sponsored, via NGOs (which are very governmental organizations) the money doesn't dry out. >oh but it did>USAID valve got closed.That delivered more significant blow than any counter action on the streets would ever have. As such, keep on doing THAT. Furthermore, if these punks would get paid one dollar more by "fascists", they would all dress up like Margaret Thatcher. Even the guys. It is crazy.
>>541991950We did the same a bit over hundred years ago in our civil war. From field court documents:>prisoner N.N. age 15 female>has been caught distributing communist propaganda>to be executed immediately>time, commander signature and stampMany such files.
>>541995939Hey I didn't. I was of the viewpoint that importing people with different values than we have will result in our values changing. I was a civic nationalist until idpol basically forced a tragedy of the commons on us in that if there was a man of melanin or a cholo bro sympathetic to American values the structure of leveraging their racial identity was too tempting not to use. The double bind was the point - now I'm a racist for noticing racism be it labeled affirmative action or DEI or whatever.
>>541996034I half suspect that were we left leaning Chad and Stacy would be championing Nazism but thats young adult thriller tier dystopia.
>>541990411Wait until you learn that “democracy” is drape-word for communists who need the economy to go on for longer than a generation
>>541991626Yeah it’s this
>>541995861I doubt the US would have elected trump without libertarian support; that's what I mean about it being a naive ideology. Small scale and self contained, sure that could work - be careful what you sign up for though, that it isn't some peter thiel seasteading bullshit. It suits the elite to sell the idea of absolute freedom and deregulation - they don't intend it for anyone but themselves though.
>>541991626Once of the reasons I became rightwing is because when Inwas just a normie shilob, lunatic antifas started to assault me at school for no reason. Snd they started calling me a nazi. I had no idea at the time why they were calling me that. Now it makes sense. It was because they label anyone they want to hurt as <thing it’s okay to harm>
>>541996562Nigga I dont even know if Trump sits in the white house I could live in a bubble arranged by my fucking neighbor for all I know.
>>541993602Yeah it actually started before it became political. They would attack “weird people” (people they disliked) and thats how those school shootings started happening. People mowing down the mobsIn fact the gun control stuff was a reaction to this. People were enraged thay “weirdos” were stacking casualties and so they wanted to shut it down. This is what I consider “woke 0.5 beta”
>>541994689huxley said behaving badly in the name of good is the most delicious psychological treat.
>>541996607Let me guess - they never explained why they were bullying you and when you fought back you got in trouble and not them.That story tends to resonate here.
>>541995230Pretty on point
>Note: The definition of fascist is anyone that I disagree with
>>541996907How did you know?
>>541995072You sniff all that fart by yourself? Advancement as in "the native-born population gets safer, richer, happier, etc. and the foreign hordes and useless eaters can suck it." And before you call me selfish, believe me, as a White man I have a pretty good idea of what "another man's regression" means.>>541996562LMAO this retarded leaf actually thinks Trump is a fascist.
>>541997073Because thats the pattern the whole life through. Inequity and persecution along with authority figures who keep on providing a sliver of hope.>>541997104Yeah I dont mean the fetish crap I mean political stuff. Some say anarcho primitivism and living in insular communities is progression, but its not, not truly. And even if it was a good deal for those who make their Gulch, eventually the outside world will find its way in
>>541995396Half of the country doesn't fucking vote in the first place, mostly because they know they won't actually get a say no matter whatThe actual problem is that the people making decisions have excessive distance put between themselves and the consequences of their decisionsSome people might say this is justified to make sure people make decisions based on something other than their own self-preservation. The problem is that they're so shielded that they can effectively pick and choose to get all the upsides and none of the downsides of their respective positions.
The problem here is men who continue to say "we aren't racist, we aren't sexist, we aren't homophobic, we tolerate you, the left are the real intolerant ones." That's the entire point. Women and foreigners and degenerates are not supposed to have any rights. Stop trying to include people who are innately opposed to your group.
>can someone explainThere is no explaining. They are women and idiots. They have no cohesive thought. You have to just accept that people will disagree with you just because they don't like you.
>>541990411>Can someone explain to me how any self conscious “anti-fascist” who believes these are the most powerful tactics sees themself as in the tradition of liberal democracy?Fascists thenselves believe in using violence, deception and underhandedness to further their political agenda. Fascists do not believe in free speech, or rights, or 'fighting fair'.So the irony when fascists whine about being mistreated is that they are simply being treated in the exact way that they wish to treat others.So where exactly is the contradiction? Anti-fascists are simply treating Fascists the way that Fascists think is morally acceptable to treat others.
>>541997580Ruby Ridge and Waco. That makes them bring out the flamethrower tanks
>>541991626Good post, but there's also an underlying battle of the genetically inferior trying to make the genetically superior submit to them, hence the spite for anything succesful and unholy love for anything unsuccesful, disfunctional and evil. It's the jew's way of making society unable to react.
>>541990411imagine building your whole identity around erasing your identity
>>541991626Wow a rare insightful post on /pol/
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>>541997876I fucking hate identity politics not because I don't enjoy who I am but because most factions that claim me and complain that I don't support them wouldn't accept me if I actually showed upThe amount of No True Scotsmanning that shows up is frankly hilariousWhy the fuck would I support someone who hates me because of their own purity test bullshit? As soon as I change to be whoever they want me to be, they'll find something else wrong with me and kick me out anywayI do just fine with the community that does accept me, and they're not asking me to punch fascists while not-so-secretly wishing me dead
>>541997016fascist is a bundle of sticks, also known as a faggot
>>541991626I agree with this and in almost all cases the cure for such disorders is beatings.It is like teens that go into shops and knock everything off the shelf.Yes they are motivated by their desire to do violence. They are high off feeling like a menace.And yet such problems were nonexistent in the preprogressive era. Because the shopkeep would just beat the shit out of and maybe even lynch the antisocial people.Today antisocial people, radical feminists, foreigners, crime supremacists, roam the streets freely in a state of anarcho tyranny, due to protection by the police, and political laws written forcing racial and gender integration across society.It could all be solved in a month if these laws and the cops enforcing them disappeared.
>>541998322>it's all about me me megood riddance
>>541998499Then why is it "Identity" politics? If I'm one of you, why do you never act like it? If I'm not, why do you expect me to help? If you want me to back you up, why do you always leave me hanging? What the fuck kind of entitled cunt demands you endlessly support them while they give you nothing, not even the time of day? Solidarity means you back each other up, and even when I have your back, you never have mine. Seems to me like it's all about you, and in that case, you can go it alone.
>>541998460Also it's worth noting that large amounts of older women and minorities, especially ones that work for a living, also support vigilante justice against criminals. I myself advocate for an ethnostate, but it is worth drawing the distinction in ideology between a spoiled brat of a 21 year old white college student and a 40 year old black family man. Whereas the former belongs in the ethnostate and the latter doesn't, the former also supports antisocial behavior while the latter supports the liberty to execute justice without the permission of judges and politicians. We can agree to split apart equitably from the foreign races while also agreeing that social degeneracy has destroyed the youth of all races and both genders. The big reason why young people, white and black, male and female, are degenerate, is because the state has intervened so powerfully into communities. Eliminating vigilante and mob justice is the big thing. When a young man is causing trouble there is no posse that can rough him up, since that means an assault charge. The state also removed the father as an effective force over children's lives and dominates children through the school system, where degeneracy flourishes. With welfare, the state pays degenerate people to exist and cause havoc. But the state's clampdown on violence is surely the most harmful factor, since it means that communities no longer police themselves, nor can communities reject unpopular government measures like racial integration, feminism, or mass migration. The fact that small communities in Wales have to sit on their hands while thousands of brown people are bussed into their communities shows how little power communities have been left by the state. That is why policemen must be the main targets of our cause, whether for elimination or for conversion.
>>541990411These people don't even know what a fascist isThey think it's when the government does evil things for corporations
>>541997784Your entire political party is platformed on actual slavery, hierarchy, and human abduction
>>541997394Yeah it was well coordinated im learnign that as I age
>>541990411The simple fact is they didn't. They are the fascists of today, sans total institutional power. You can see this by the simple fact that they view the society created by the actual people who beat the Nazis as a dystopia and a punchline. (ie. "You're just a chud who wants to bring back the 1950s")
>>541990411Antifa are communists anon, not democratsThey hate neoliberal democracy too, they just use it as a shield while undermining it on their termsOf course they also don't have principles, so they'll do anything that supports their side, whereas the right tends to have principles and favour things like "order" and "reason" to our detriment
>>541994842>institutions and values we wish to protect.they're the problem
>>541990411Deplatforming literally doesn’t work in the internet age. They tried that shit in the 2010s and it only made us more popular and themselves more retarded and paranoid.
>>541990411If you are self-aware and properly educated, you will understand the best government system is one that maximizes citizen happiness. Because any system that oppresses and humiliates its citizenry generates hate and a will to rebel at the low level. The Wiemar Republic caused fascism to happen because Jews were overtly oppressing the Germans and humiliating them. Since they weren't fully cucked, Hitler and friends rose up to oppose that shit and because the gov't was so incompetent (so Jews could rule them) he was able to do a full takeover. And of course they saw Jews as the enemy because they were the oppressors, much like how Jews are oppressing everyone in the West right now via leftism. Which is why fascism is on the rise again - people are tired of the oppression and humiliation Jews have implemented. And when I say Jews, I mean the whole Jewish operation: the Jews themselves, Israel, feminists of all walks, and the good goyim who support them like Uncle Toms for some better treatment and shekels. Democracy where women can vote is just female oppression. Because women are so protected in society and have a slight majority at all times, their vote essentially overrules any reasonable male based position. And that is before counting simps voting lockstep with women because they want to be seen as allies and therefore fuckable. This results in rule via emotion - which is VERY oppressive. It's literally "I don't like you, go to jail" tier oppression. If we could ever make a computer to maximize objective human happiness, that would make the ideal government system. Also why the founders didn't let women and simps vote by the way.
>>541990411>last timeThe last time fascism was a serious problem the communists had to physically kill all of them in war.
