It’s actually incredible how retarded he is at basic economics>If I stopped trading with the grocery store I would save so much money and be rich
>>542042222we don't make anything, so all trade is basically gibsmedats for us
>>542042222The Amish did that and used their money to buy land instead
>>542042222doesnt cola and oreos come from mexico now
>>542042222https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q8c9Z7Dexshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW3J5LBVfGc
Where can I buy some good American grown coffee?
>>542042389Based. We will stop trading with other countries and buy our own land.
>>542042222>if I trade with you I lose izzathe is actually an indian
>>542042222Nobody even checked those quads
>>542042794Kona coffee. They're out of Hawaii.
>>542042707burgermutts can't even be trusted to make their own goyslop
>>542042847Thanks for noticing anon
>>542042222Mexico is not our grocery store. The United States is the most resource-rich, isolationist-enabled country in the history of the world
>>542042222He is either just retarded or is intentionally destroying what’s left of the american empire.
>>542042222Honestly, it's pretty based. This board kept begging for an accelerationist to rip it all down and rebuild. Now you got it. He's just doing it in a very entertaining way.Once all you burgers are starving in the streets I at least hope you have the balls to start hanging people though.
>>542042357We made everything before free trade and it was much higher quality
>>542042357Are you aware the US is second in the world in manufacturing behind China?
>>542042975So do you think you can magically make every industry in the US in like 2 years (assuming his nigga doesn't get impeached btw)? What about raw materials you don't have access to?
>>542042975Anon it’s literally impossible to start making shoes in America unless you either plan on paying workers $1 per day or charge $300 per pair. It’s just not profitable or realistic to manufacture things here anymore
>>542042222i really really really hope he actually does thisi hope he decides to stop trading with the entire planetbecause that would actually bring the end of the american empire and i world needs that to happen so that we can heal250 years has been long enough
>>542042975Cool it with the anti semitism goyim.
>>542042222What did you expect from a man who filed for bankruptcy six times?
>>542043069When the USA was isolationist it was the height of the “Empire” with the highest standard of living in the world.We used to make our clothes and textiles. We still pick the cotton and design the factories but we ship it overseas to weave then ship it back to sell to ourselves. It’s not any cheaper for our consumers and it’s lower quality. It is the reason for the decline of empire. That’s free trade from our perspective. It’s the world leeching off us to enrich the elites. There is no major raw material the USA lacks except sweatshop labor
>>542043166Everything is so interconnected it's going to fuck up so much shit. Subsistence farmers probably won't feel it too much except the hordes running away from the cities.Anyways, looking forward to the show.
>>542042975Being able to export inflation and import valuable resources in exchange for worthless papers is what makes the US the power it’s today and make’s it’s sanctions as powerful as they are (at least were), retard. The retard in chief is working too hard to destroy the current status quo (which is extremely favorable towards the US) and replace it with some isolationist agenda that will completely crushes the US under its own debt. Changing the status quo was china’s and Russia’s dream for decades. The retard is speed running it for them.
>>542043304>goods and manufacturing hasn't changed in the last 100 years Okay any more braindead contributions to add?
>>542043304My sweet retard, isolationism will not get that back. Wealth is hoarded by few billionaires and trillionaire. Isolationism will only encourage them to take their money and leave since the US won’t be as valuable as it’s now.
>>542042957Orange nigher is building his own fuhrerbunker. Might be tough to revolt. >>542043304Go work in the lead smelter, then.
>hot tamalesIn case you're wondering hot tamales are an American-made cinnamon candy. They have nothing to do with Mexico whatsoever
>>542042222Every President is just a jewish puppet, how do you not understand that in 2026? This one more than others but kiked to the bone nonetheless, vooting is useless as fuck
>>542043069China has retained a lot of its low end manufacturing capacity even as it's also moved up the value chain to high quality manufacturing. They could ship all of the former to Indonesia or Nigeria or whatever but they don't. Now why is that
>>542043661This. I can but cadmium sulfide by the ton from China if I want.
>>542043539Your Grandpa worked the factories in the 50s and had a white picket fence suburban home with a stay at home wife. He helped produced appliances that still work 70 years later. That factory job was sold to a chinaman for $1/hr and the appliance that comes back still costs the same and only lasts 5 years.
>>542043721If you want that life again you'll need to experience some pain first and probably a lot of people gotta die too.
>>542043721My great grand-dad worked at a button factory. His father was a tobacco farmer. My granddad was a janitor. I am a groundskeeper. I refuse to work myself to the bone unless I get a major cut of the profits. Computers are bullshit anyway. Fuck the technology development. Besides i would rather the Chinese get rich than some half-literate white nationalist Protestant
>>542042222Globalists on suicide watch.
>>542043810That’s what it took to get here though. What do you think happened to our working class when all their jobs were taken away? Where did white trash methheads come from?
>>542042222Do liberals think everything is grocery stores?
>>542043069We have access to everything we need, even rare earth minerals. We simply don’t mine them because liberals will cry about dead fish
>>542043893They dont think at all they just rely on their feelings. Closing the door on international trade would create a giant windfall of opportunities for domestic labor but those retards are hyperfocused on disagreeing with Trump at every given opportunity because they hate him.
>>542042222The real take away is why Americans don't want to buy American products.
>>542042222>>542042357you niggers are beyond fucking retarded
>>542043818Enserfing yourself to own an abstraction of a person you don't like that you saw on the computer
>>542043069>>542043119actual retarded brown faggots lol, American manufacturing will continue to increase and you will keep seething about it until you kill yourself
>>542042222He doesn't seem to understand the concept of the exorbitant privilege. US running on a deficit is what made it so ridiculously wealthy. USA can just print dollars, whereas other countries have to provide actual goods in trade for those dollars. Either Trump and his advisors really are economically illiterate or they're envisioning USA losing its reserve currency status very shortly.
>>542043863>muh socioeconomic factorsOr maybe it's genetic.
>>542042707Two things that shouldn't even be in any white person's diet.
>>542043119how come it was possible in the past? that 300 is a couple of those old time dollars
If I wanted to read reddit homepage threads, I would go on reddit
>>542042951>Destroying americaBased. Tkd and total migger death
>>542042222He doesn't drive, so he doesn't know hemis are made in Mexico
>>542044304Because nobody will buy your domestic 1000 dollar shoes if there's 100 dollar Chinese alternatives across the street.
>>542042357>we don't make anythingYou make US dollars.Other countries want the currency you can simply print, which is the whole reason for your trade deficit.Get rid of the petrodollar and get rid of the trade deficit.Keep the petrodollar keep the trade deficit.Simple as.
>>542044265>we give you products for printed paper its a great deal for you thats why you should continue itYou’re the one that economically illiterate are you’re so mindbroken by globalism you actually believe it. We arent getting shit for free/cheap theres associated costs for that trade and you are ignoring them for a reason.
i honestly dont understand why free trade is bad. so people want to buy goods from other countries, so what?
He's a actually right, if the us stops trading it will keep the dollars in the country you would have more dollars in the US, you wouldn't get the goods the money would buy but at least you would keep the 195 billion dollars
>>542043721if Trump was serious about revitalizing this he would be tying his huge domestic business carveouts and industrial policy to demands for wage increases to American workers and pursuing policies to deflate asset prices, instead he is doing the opposite.Americans could afford that life because they could afford to (and chose to) consume the goods made in their own country, justifying those wages and those wages, proportionally, could purchase access to more assets like land and financial assets. Trump unfortunately has found himself in office at a time when asset prices have fucking exploded post-COVID on top of assets having outperformed wages in YoY growth for like 4 straight decades. he needs the public to be optimistic to be willing to spend more to justify the push for domestic business expansion, wage growth and asset deflation would help that, but he himself is a self-enriching card-holding member of a social class that simply will not tolerate asset prices to decline. huge top down pushes on wages would probably lead to another inflation spike anyway, and the population is just too pessimistic because of how stressed/downwardly mobile they feel to swallow that politically. Trump is too scared of the markets and too much a part of the established elites circle to do what needs to be done.
>>542044347The Jordanians had some weird stake in this. They still haven’t named the major resource USA lacks. Maybe they work for the King’s petrol industry and don’t want us to realize America has tons of its own oil
>>542042222I'm literally the only person on the planet (and I can prove it) with a solution to this problem. However, the solution destroys big tech and jews. Seems quite ironic, and perhaps some twist of fate, that ultimately no matter what, the jews have to lose.
>>542042389The last time a massive nation said "We don't need shit from the outside world" was China. Two centuries later China lost two drug-wars against the British and then got cucked by foreign imperial powers for a century.When Trump says "we should stop trading" he does not mean becoming self-sufficient that way, he means "we should start stealing and embezzling instead".
>>542044380if only there was some way to implement a tax on foreign goods, thusly making American goods competitively priced
>>542044265America has been extraordinarily wealthy since the turn of the last century. It's only since the 70's that we've been doing the current stupid bullshit because that's when we reached a fork in the road where we either had to seriously reform capitalism (read: make it more socialist) or bullshit a way to keep it going. We chose the latter, naturally, and thus followed 50 years of neoliberal financialization / outsourcing / offshoring / mass immigration to keep the party going at the cost of hollowing out the center. Now the bill is coming due
>>542044582>encouraging domestic manufacturing? we don't do that IN GERMANYshut the fuck up, faggot
>>542044602>thusly making American goods competitively pricedMaybe be more productive?
>>542044582No, that would be the isolationist USA who got dragged kicking and screaming into European wars and came out dominating the world
>>542044659we are, you retarded fucking memeflaggot nigger
>>542044602Doesn't solve the problem. You think it's about cost, it's not, that's jew mentality.
>>542044452>i honestly dont understand why free trade is bad. so people want to buy goods from other countries, so what?Long story short unemployed people cant buy goods imported or otherwise. It also makes the country beholden to foreign demand and foreigners in general at the expense of domestic demand and the domestic citizenry in general.
>>542044380well that’s why he is changing policy to stop the jewish race to the bottom.
>>542044682>Doesn't solve the problem.It does, you fucking retard.
>>542044816lol, lmao evenYou don't even know pleb. If you knew the truth you'd neck yourself in embarrassment.
>>542044303Mexican Coke is made with cane sugar not corn syrup.
America is the richest country in the world by far.If you don't live in a mansion and own 3 Ferrari's it's because your billionaires took all that wealth not because your country is treated unfairly somehow.The world doesn't have more to give you spoiled Americans, you bled us dry already.If you feel cheated look at where all the wealth is.
>>542044303you can take my oreos from my cold dead hands
>>542044859>I'm a retarded fucking faggot and I lost this exchangewell thanks for admitting it
>>542042357Americans are remarkably ignorant of the fact that the rest of the world lets us print money and buy things with it. It's like if you wanted to buy your buddy's car, agreed on the price, and instead of withdrawing money from your bank account to give him, you just kind of write the number on a piece of paper and he accepts it because everyone else agrees that it's real. At literally any point, everyone else could decide that, actually, your money is fake and gay and now they'll take real money instead. That would be fine, in a sense, because even though you can no longer buy real goods with fake money, at least you got a bunch of goods out of it while it lasted. But the problem is that you are still actually on the hook to your buddy if he figures out your fake money scheme is a bunch of bullshit, so if he decides he wants real money, suddenly you're fucked. You owe him real money and can no longer write fake money on toilet paper to buy things or to pay off the debt you owe.
>>542045038hey can you define "real money"? because you wrote a lot of words to seem intelligent, but your post is actually really fucking stupid
>>542044653But miggeranon, you hate domestic manufacturing, that’s why you buy things from Dollar General made by Indians
>>542042950>The United States is the most resource-rich, isolationist-enabled country in the history of the worldNot really though
>>542045038That money is backed by the world’s largest economy. Cancel the money deal and the USA still has the world’s largest economy. Americans are not benefitting from the scheme
>>542042222>trump is retarded for thinking americans would have more money if they brought back jobs to america so americans can make american goods to sell to other americans
>>542045156Yes really. Go ahead, name one
>>542042222This can't be real
>>542044873its true america is one of the last places on earth an ordinary, unconnected salt of the earth dude can become wealthy. but your post is a bit hyperbolicalso if you come from white trash, working poor background you are still on hard mode. you still need financial stability to finish a degree that catapults you into the middle class. the american welfare sys mostly offers stability to people that already had it and don't want to work. like they have a place to stay and are doing okay, they just have the time to enter the waiting lists to get on welfare.the exception to that is single mothers, who are prioritized and get pretty insane benefits very fast. a lot of mothers in the US intentionally become single mothers (some fraudulently, as they know the father and he provides) so they can get the crazy benefits. the benefits a single mother gets easily exceed a 100k salary. like the free childcare alone for 2 children is like 1500-2500 a month depending on where you live.i feel for the euros, their governments are raping them with taxes and regulation that make it actually impossible to get ahead of anyone financially.even tho euros always talk shit and have a stick up their ass about us. of the americans who arent mixed (increasingly few) we're still native europeans. really shouldnt been infighting over dumb shit
>>542045038regular people don’t get to do this. few are ridiculously rich like elon and many just barely get by
>>542044977Seethe & Cope
>>542044867Ours switched over to that also thanks to RFK Jr
>>542045108>hey can you define "real money"?It is the money people agree is real. Obviously, what I'm referencing is how the US assumes debt to increase the money supply.
>>542045198>trump is retarded for thinking americans would have more money if they brought back jobs to america so americans can make american goods to sell to other americansUnironically yes. People in the west are rich because we export labour intensive industry to countries with cheap labour, resulting in historically cheap consumer goods. Prior to globalisation workers used to have to borrow money from their employers to buy a pair of work boots then pay them back in installments. You have no idea how poor people were a century ago.
>>542042222@grok is Trump going to embargo tacos and burritos?
>>542042389wat?anabaptist colonies do all kinds of business with outsiders, what are you talking about? they have fruit stalls in bancroft, big market in st jacobs, and in alberta most people get their meat from them, they drive a big reefer truck into a parking lot and you meet like a drug deal. they also have massive manufacturing companies, making livestock management equipment, all kinds of sheet metal goods, all kinds of building materials like doors and windows, the list goes on. and these are all sold internationally. they are also communists and don't hold individual bank accounts, according to the book of acts.
>>542045486the peak of manufacturing jobs in the US was 1979remind me again how things were in the 70s? oh right the greatest most wealthy middle class economy the world has ever seen?
>>542042975>We made everything before free trade and it was much higher qualitycapitalism is late stage now, that's the real problem
>>542042846>>542042222>>542042357>>542045038>>542045108The reason Trump says this stupid shit is because he thinks every single interaction in life is about 'winners and losers'.If you make a trade deal and both sides leave happy then to Trump that's a bad deal, it means you're getting screwed. The only good deal to him is one where the other guy leaves unhappy.This goes back to his psychopathic father teaching him and his brother from a young age that winning is everything, lying and cheating are fine as long as you 'win', this mentally damaged him so now he is the way he is.
>>542045164Would it still have the world's largest economy? A huge amount of our national wealth is tied up in the financial sector. In many ways, our singularly most profitable industry is the buying and selling of securities intimately intertwined with our global financial primacy. The US being seen as an island of stability makes US stocks and bonds attractive vehicles worldwide, which injects foreign investment, which furthers the vision of the US as an island of stability, and so on. I don't think this is a self-sustaining dynamic. I think it's a positive feedback loop which may be extremely sensitive to the sudden removal of one of the accelerants.
>>542042222What will burgers do without their hot tamales?
>>542045038Most sensible post ITT. I don't understand how people can't grasp this. There's nothing special about the US economy compared to other developed nations, other than a hugely overvalued tech industry. When it comes to manufacturing, agriculture, carbon extraction, services, etc it's just the same as everywhere else, and in some areas dramatically behind.
>>542045699Yes because the USA does possess the greatest resources, the most white people, and is the only huge country that is fully advanced throughout. It actually doesn’t matter though. If the result was an economy the size of Belgium we would still be better off, and it would be irrelevant
>>542045592That's great and all but it's not the 70s anymore, you now have to compete with cheap labor in an industrialized Asia. China will be vastly more competitive than you in any low to medium skill, labor intensive industry.
>>542044732>It also makes the country beholden to foreign demand and foreigners in general at the expense of domestic demand and the domestic citizenry in general.True in essence but you're not going to get average people to buy expensive US made items instead of cheap Chinese stuff. No one is paying 2000 dollars for an American made Iphone because the economy isn't geared up for that. It's the consumers who decide what they want to buy. It's why even people living in shacks in Africa have smartphones these days.Theoretically you could close the US off from the world and make a fully insular economy but that would be a very painful process to go through and no one in their right mind is going to do it.
>>542042389Also, the amish depend entirely upon living inside a stable law- and border-enforcing state which tolerates them simply because they don't cause wider social problems or challenge government authority. If the amish lived on land which turned out to have vast fuel/mineral reserves, but refused to develop or enable extraction, there would be a problem. If the amish had been vocal abolitionists or bigamists back in the day and toured the country voicing their opinions, there would have been a problem.If the amish had been radical anarcho-primitivists actively sabotaging all greater industrial/infrastructure projects near the areas they lived, there would have been a problem. If the amish had beliefs like "Swindling your neighbor is bad, but swindling the non-amish is fine", there would have been a problem. If the amish denounced the modern state of Israel THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM
>>542045592You mean when inflation was over 10% and the US was on the cusp of a recession?
>>542044467Just forcing wages higher doesn't really help unless you address the overall issues that make real production economically inefficient.You will never have reindustrialization in the US until financial capitalism is regulated out of dominance. You cannot possibly create a productive business that can compete with pure paper shuffling, so financial capital will not be used to upgrade and build factories. The profits from those productive industries cannot be used to increase wages, because that investment in human resources robs the bottom line, that must compete with businesses that have no workers.
>>542046088>True in essence but you're not going to get average people to buy expensive US made items instead of cheap Chinese stuff. No one is paying 2000 dollars for an American made Iphone because the economy isn't geared up for that.It isnt geared up for that because we have no manufacturing base because we outsourced it all. Duh.
>>542046234They think giving people jobs will be a more painful transition than when they lost them
>>542045766>There's nothing special about the US economy compared to other developed nationsThe great American hubris is the belief in its exceptionalism. We are so used to plenty (and inculcated to view the plenty of our elites as our own plenty) that we see our preeminence as some kind of textural aspect of reality. That our country is the dramatically outsized beneficiary of the current world order is not seen as contingent but rather given. Americans simply cannot imagine a world in which we aren't a nation of super special little princes and princesses. I think it's largely to blame for a lot of what we are (rightfully) hated for abroad.
>>542046319The foreigners I understand because they literally dont give a shit about americans being unemployed nor the effects that has...plus they benefit from us enabling globalism. The americans whining in support of globalism are just shortsighted retards.
>>542046319It would be... for the rentiers, because the shift from productive capitalism to financial capitalism that's been ongoing for about 50 years in the US, would have to be completely reversed.And their opinion counts, because they are actually a power in our society. Workers and petit bourgeois are not.
>>542042975>and it was much higher qualityMigger-kun, I...
>>542045592>>542046234>outsourced manufacturingThis is true but you're acting like anyone had a choice. If all those US manufacturers didn't offshore their blue collar jobs then they'd go out of business because they'd be outcompeted by these far Eastern countries doing the same thing for cheap. (Remember back in the 80s and 90s Japan was the big concern for US manufacturing more than anywhere else)The best period for wealth in the US was in the post war boom of the 50s-60s when the US was around 50% of global GDP. That's unheard of for any empire in world history. Europe was dilapidated from the war, China was largely a 3rd world country still, Japan was in ruins, Russia was nowhere near an economic rival, only a military one. The US was #1 by every metric.As such the population of the US lived in a real golden age where you could get a decent paying no education required job in a factory and 2 cars and a house easily.With all of that said the US still manufactures a lot of stuff.
>>542043069You can tho, countries can go into manufacturing like as per war time. What happens of course during peace is the (((money lenders))) are free and then it's all about borrowing money that isn't even needed, the support for the fiat monetary system means countries will borrow money even tho they don't need it. Then the money is spread all over the world but of course the likes of China have been let in and they corner the markets due to using their communist state supported take on capitalism. How would China do if all of the west pulled there plants out of China, no money invested in China and instead all the manufacturing etc was brought back to the west?
>>542045164> faith and creditLacking.
>>542046542You what nigger? Stop being a faggot and say your stupid shit
>>542045673but is it a good deal if your economy relies on borrowing, importing immigrants because lower wages are demanded because higher profits are wanted? Where is the good deal on shaking hands with Mexico?
>>542045867>the greatest resources, the most white people, and is the only huge country that is fully advanced throughoutOf these three things you mentioned, only one is even testable: whether or not we have the most white people... and I'm not sure that's even true, or if it matters if it is. I find statements like "the greatest resources" and "fully advanced throughout" to be vague to the point of meaninglessness, and I'm not sure that even if I wanted to try to coax something more specific out of you that it would be more than wringing water from a stone.
>>542046548>This is true but you're acting like anyone had a choice.People always have a choice. Now, the people elected Trump twice who's actively waging a war against globalism. By choice. Even Biden doubled down on Trump's war against it in his first term.
>>542045666there's no such thing. you either have capitalism or nothing. there are no "stages"
>>542045038I remember what it was like after I took econ 101 also. Shit hits hard when you're retarded. The trick is to stop being retarded later in life, though.
>>542046548One thing these charts don't take into consideration is just how aggressive the Chinese over-seas manufacturing network is. It turns out all these shithole countries are being turned into zombie nations manufacturing in the name of China. Which makes it laughable when someone like Trump threatens to tariff China when China is already building up in Mexico right on his doorstep.
>>542042222The man lost money running a casino, what do you expect?
>>542046834and you really think they're not aware of this? you fags really need to stop assuming people you don't like are retarded unless you enjoy being blinsided
>>542046782>there's no such thing. you either have capitalism or nothing. there are no "stages"why are chuds like this? There are stages to things, you moron. Its real.
>>542046719I’m sorry you are too stupid to understand.You can look at a list of vital natural resources and their geographical availability in the USA versus every other country. As well as the climate to grow nearly everything.Fully advanced throughout means we are a first world country with infrastructure and wealth across the entire continental sized structure. China and India are not built up. Canada, Australia, Russia have a huge portion of their nominal landscape as a barren hinterland. There is not country this big, this resource-rich, this fertile, with this white population. This is all quantifiable and observable. You are either retarded or pretending to be to not know this
>>542046782>there are no "stages"Sure there are. The concept of late capitalism, I think, can be crystallized most succinctly in the following quote by Mark Fisher (PBUH):>It is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism. Late capitalism is where capitalism becomes so firmly ingrained in society and culture that people stop perceiving it as a chosen, managed system with values, tradeoffs, and contingencies. In late capitalism, the system becomes... reality. The people and their institutions are so thoroughly capitalized that decisions made by the capitalist managerial class are perceived as if they're as natural a force as gravity. That's late capitalism.
>>542042357We make more than almost the entire world.
>>542047109>Fully advanced throughout means we are a first world country with infrastructure and wealth across the entire continental sized structureI'm not sure the data bear that out.
>>542046929Yes, even Americans in high positions of power aren't aware of this. They live in an America bubble where America is the greatest nation in the world while foreign nations are all working in fields with rice hats and sandals.
>>542042222He's retarded, there's just no other way to explain it. He actually thinks a trade deficit is like a business loss. And the worst part is that millions of his followers think the same.
>>542046580>How would China do if all of the west pulled there plants out of China, no money invested in China and instead all the manufacturing etc was brought back to the west?Both countries would go into an immediate devastating depression.The US would still be screwed because the US like everywhere else runs the economy on cheap goods. There's no market for 2000 dollar iphones.It isn't just China either, it's Japan, Bangladesh, India, Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, SEA in general.>>542046749Trump's war on globalism isn't going to decouple from China (or the other places too, it's not just China) you can move a few pieces here and there back to the US but it's not possible to be 50% of global gdp again unless the rest of the competition are destroyed by a world war, which isn't happening. Trump doesn't have a problem with dealing with China anyway, he even talks about wanting a massive trade deal with them all the time. He has never even pretended to want to decouple.
>>542046548lets assume thats true at face value. thankfully we gave all these countries with slave empires, minimal regulation and budding conditions for a hypercompetitive manufacturing industry, including racial resentment and what spengler called "life-force", the technology to compete with us. instead of keeping the shit to ourselves and using our power to keep us ahead.i suspect our golden age was circumstance too, but people definitely sold out the middle class and fucked them over.>>542045870this isn't exactly the premise addressed. hes comparing 100 years ago (everywhere in the fucking world was extremely poor then) as a condition of an economy that manufactures. we had it in the 70s. again whether thats circumstance or not, i dont know, but its not the point im addressing there anyway.>>542046119whatever the numbers were, the dollar had way more purchasing power as did the middle class. i have seen what an ordinary dude working in the 70s at a paper could accomplish for wealth. he has a house worth at least a million on a property that is worth at lew a few million.im not an economist nor do i have any training in it. if i had to guess we were able to survive the extremely retarded monetary policies in the 70s because we had such a large manufacturing base.whatever the actual reason and answer is, people could afford shit in the 70s. an economy thats 80% retail and food service jobs for everyone is highly retarded and not sustainable. owning a house and starting a family without inheritance is impossible for most working people.im from new england where the extremely left retarded policies has caused insane cost of living spikes and low wages. its actually not possible for ordinary people to get a mortgage in a lot of places here. average home in maine for example is 500k. median salary is like 55k.
>>542046994no, capitalism either is or isn't present, that's it. the myth of stages is commie narrative to justify its downfall. you blame the sheet of paper instead of the nigger scribbling on it.
>>542047172keep assuming your enemy is a fool and enjoy becoming one.
>>542046088The iPhone 18 foldable is coming out later this year and will be priced at >2k
>>542042222many people who know him say he has the mentality/education of a sixth grader
>>542044304There was a much smaller global economy before. Now there’s 3-4 billion Asian and Indians who will work for 1% of your wage with zero regulatory or workers rights laws. And before you actually had all the infrastructure and factories set up domestically, a lot of that’s gone now.
>>542047229when you married your ugly wife, it was different at the beginning, but now, you hate eachother because your marriage is late stage. Youve been through it all, and now she nitpicks everything you do constantly. As a chud you pretend this isnt a thing, because you are rtetarded. hurr durr no gray area im stupid
>>542047211>Trump's war on globalism isn't going to decouple from China (or the other places too, it's not just China) you can move a few pieces here and there back to the US but it's not possible to be 50% of global gdp again unless the rest of the competition are destroyed by a world war, which isn't happening.>Trump doesn't have a problem with dealing with China anyway, he even talks about wanting a massive trade deal with them all the time. He has never even pretended to want to decouple.Trump has been consistently throwing wrenches into the globalism machine at every single given chance imaginable and you are arguing that "he even talks about wanting a massive trade deal with them all the time" while ignoring he lies and says diametrically opposing things all the time.
>>542047160I’m 100% sure any observation will bear that out. Get in a car and drive from New York to LA. Now drive from NW china to beijing or from the Yukon to Quebec. Where else will you find this acreage of infrastructure and a fully advanced wealthy country? Nowhere.
>>542047363really like who? just people you know who hang out at mar a largo?
>>542042951He's just retarded
>>542047455I don't care about imaginary drives through America. This conversation isn't proceeding along a track I find relevant or, frankly, even valid.
>>542047363Are those all people who have been scorned by him in some way and thrown out of their cushy government jobs?
>>542046834And how did China becoming the worlds mfg superpower?
>>542047643I know who he was talking about, the glorious ladies on the view
>>542044653Your golden pedophile killed the chips act, imports worm-ridden argentinian beef and has no industrial policies apart from putting datacenters everywhere you retarded deepfried burger-paddy.
>>542047635Because you are making idiotic statements. That the USA has the most inborn advantages purely due to geography and European population is basic observable fact that has beared out already. USA had the world’s largest economy when we were isolationists. USA won two world wars on foreign lands through sheer overwhelming industrial resources shipped across the sea
>>542044674>Got dragged kicking and screaming. Lmao what kind of sad retconning is this. Your government wanted to get involved, your population are a bunch of gullible idiots who fell for government false flags and propaganda LIKE YOU DO EVERY FUCKING TIME.
>>542047172this is how redditors think. very shallow knowledge of any topic (mostly factoids) and they think everything is very simple and that they have knowledge people in the career are unaware of.same people that have opinions on energy grid logistics and so forth. an extremely complicated topic for poeple in the industry, but some retard watches a youtube essay written by a highschooler using AI, and suddenly tehy know more than the experts. lmfao.
>>542047712they are good with their tiny chinky hands i'll give em that and there's so many of them
>>542047712They provided the west with hundreds of millions of workers who would who do their job for them, but much cheaper and with little regard for safety, comfort or human life.
>>542047712They have an average IQ on par with Whites, they live in a racially homogenous society, and there's a lot of them. It was inevitable this would eventually happen with Communism falling by the wayside.
>>542047850Your country literally declared war on ours after Japan declared war.
>>542042975You have been reported to the ADL for antisemitism.
>>542045666By 'capitalism' you mean usurious debt-based central banking.
>>542048068No, that's "corporatism". We had capitalism before the country was subverted and infested by third world browns and blacks.
>>542042707Did they at least switch from HFCS goyslop to actual sugar? Or did they spin up new goyslop lines in Mexico?
>>542047220I don't mean this as an insult but you're completely ignorant of reality. The only metric in which someone was richer in the 70's was property, in every other respect we are wealthier now. Consumer goods that you'd have to save up for months to purchase can now be bought for a few days of a McDonald's workers income. The reason it doesn't feel that way is because property has become massively expensive and eats the bulk of everyone's income in either rent or mortgage payments. What you doing understand is that part of the reason it's that way it's because you can't export domestic construction to China and if everything was built domestically then every other good would be just as insanely expensive as homes are.
>>542047850yeah we were gullible for helping take out hitler before things really got out of hand
>>542048068at its latest stage capitalism is about how there's nothing left to sell so they harvest all your personal info and sell that, or they start stealing all your wealth. Thats all happening now.
>>542048215>The only metric in which someone was richer in the 70's was property
>>542042222It would certainly spur domestic production and bring those jobs back from overseas.
>>542043721>He helped produced appliances that still work 70 years later.This is a bit of an exaggeration, but most would work for 30-40 years at least.
>>542048215>in every other respect we are wealthier now.back in the 70s you didn't NEED 2 incomes to support a household. You're clearly incorrect.
>>542043503We don't need them. The population will be better off if they take their fiat and fuck off to the sunset for some volcano to rain ash on them. How's that for elite?Soon afterwards the people who actually have been keeping the economic drivers moving will be able to build and grow for the people by the people with the people.
>>542042222Allow me to translate for people who still don't understand Trump's mannerisms over the last 10 years.>America can produce almost anything and we don't actually need to trade with anyone because we can just make it here if we really want to.He's not wrong. We should get back to making our own shit for ourselves.
>>542046088no one pays those things in cash.
>>542048292Compare the price of some consumer goods from the 1970's compared to now after adjusting for inflation. Things in the 70's were generally more expensive with a few exceptions like houses and college tuition. The crux is that those things are disproportionately important and make up such a large percentage of expenditure that the average person today is still poorer.
>>542048406>After the flood it will be greatAre you forgetting that kikes are like cockroaches?
>>542048390>back in the 70s you didn't NEED 2 incomes to support a household. You're clearly incorrect.That's almost entirely due to rent and mortgage payments, as I alluded to. You wouldn't need to two incomes to pay for groceries, clothes, a car and a television if your rent was $200 a month.
>>542047363>Many are saying this
>>542048542Ok.
>>542048626>You wouldn't need to two incomes to pay for groceriesSpoken like a dude who hasn't been doing groceries for the past decade.
>>542048200Yes the robber baron era was the glorious idyll of free enterprise and liberated individualism to which we must retvrn, it's definitely not the case that capitalism just structurally drifts towards oligarchy and consequent state capture over time
>>542044398everyone prints their own money, you clueless european retard. everyone uses fiatthanks for coming to /pol/ though, it's real enlightening how stupid as fuck europeans are
>>542048747You think I don't buy groceries?
>>542047134We export more of certain things yes. We are the primary reason why every single Third World country is outbreeding us at a 10 to one ratio. And then they come here in our country and compete with us and our children.
>>542048791Yeah, but not everybody forces you to use their Fiat Monopoly money at gunpoint
>>542042222>I bought something and then after paying for it, I had less money. WTF??
>>542042222CheckedIt's even worse for the US because no imports, no foreign bond buyers
>>542048791He's right though, there's no equivalent demand for fiat currency from other nations the way there is for US dollars. That's why the US has such cheap credit and can essentially print unlimited money without it becoming worthless. You're not understanding his point.
>>542042222Checking those op quads
>>542042707Do you need cokes and oreos, fatass?
>>542048215>The only metric in which someone was richer in the 70's was assetsYes, that's the point. Financialization and offshoring got us cheap consumer goods at the cost of asset price growth outstripping wage growth such that wealth is now increasingly concentrated at the top (where most of the assets are held), a process which is not only not reversing but accelerating
>>542048791They are mind broken and dont even understand how or why. Its amusing once you get past feeling sorry for them.
>>542048433How many factories Trump's cabinet has managed to gain funds to be built in the US since he got inaugurated for the second time?
>>542048939Precisely. Glad someone gets it.
>>542042222you're a turbo retard at basic trade deficits. shit fucks like you will keep the anti-Trump groups on the right and left from merging. You just can't help but open your mouth and let a torrent of self hating retardation gush out like a nigger.
>>542048794It's not normal to see over 40% food inflation in a decade, anon.It's not rent & mortgage. It's everything. The middle class is being priced out of "luxury", and the lower class is being priced out of food.
>>542048215we might have cheap trinkets but how’s it going with happiness… more and more people can’t afford housing and other necessities get more expensive too but yeah dildos and televisions are cheap yay
>>542049132>It's not normal to see over 40% food inflation in a decadeAre you really this oblivious to the hyperinflation of the 70's? There's no such thing as "normal". The world economy has been in constant, dramatic change for the last few centuries.
>>542049248That's literally what I've been saying, yes.
>>542042707Yes and I hate you for it
>>542048847shut the fuck up, retard>>542048900threre's no demand because your economy is a fucking joke and the only near peer economy china devalues their currency artificially
>>542049656In what way do you think the UK and other countries economies are fundamentally different from the US'? You're nearly there
>>542042222if you have a deficit of $195 billion and then make it a $0, you are literally better off
>>542051525Maintain a $0 trade deficit with the grocery store and see how that works out for you
>>542051689The world is not our grocery store. We are much more the world’s grocery store. The world is our cheap slave labor to stock the grocery store
>lol
>>542042222remember when he thought you needed to show ID to buy groceries
>>542048215You talk about this shit like its some magic boon and not explicitly the entire social contract of neoliberalismThe deal was: Capitalists get>all union power and worker protections stripped out>regulations stripped out>you will still drone for 40 hours a week no matter what, even if your productivity goes up 500%>we're going to outsource loads of jobs to other countriesYou get:>buying a TV is cheaperAnd even then they're starting to welch on holding up their side of the deal.
>>542042975Yeah, well now we don't. This ain't the 1800s anymore.
>>542052020Auto manufacturing started outsourcing in the 1980s.Textile and appliance manufacturing went out with NAFTA in the 1990s-2000s. By pure coincidence was not a white meth problem in the 1980s
>>542051911>The world is our cheap slave labor to stock the grocery storeSo you like the trade deficit because it means you got to buy goods and services at a huge discount?
>>542052159And how do you plan to reverse 40 years of economic policies in 2 years?
>>542051525That’s $190B that’s not going overseas to export inflation retardThe macroeconomically illiterate fail to understand that a trade deficit is a monetary surplus. If you run a trade surplus you are mathematically unable to export currency or inflation and it is impossible for your currency to be a reserve currency.
>>542052229No, I dislike it. The discount is wildly oversold and hasn’t come to pass. The quality is much lower. And it came at the destruction of our working class. There is no positive from the perspective of the American people. We were simply sold out and robbed. We were warned.
>>542052253Probably start with tariffs.
>>542042222Ok, he knows that's absolutely retarded right ?like... cmon, he's just playing some retards right ?
>>542052404You think American workers could produce goods at the same cost as Chinese or Vietnamese workers?
>>542051911>We are much more the world’s grocery store.According to Trump himself this doesn't seem to be the case since he's constantly seething about the rest of the world not buying American cars, foodstuff etc.
>>542052438>tariff a product that has no US equivalent>price of foreign product goes up while no manufacturing is built because corporations will just wait for the current administration to be disemboweled by the voters
>>542042222Check themAlso, Trump doesnt seem to realize that you can still benefit from buying more things from someone that selling to him.
>>542052494I think ultimately it would be a higher cost. A $20 shoe from Walmart via China falls apart in a month. An American made $300 shoe lasts 15 years. Do the math.
>>542052531The story of the Hilux is the perfect example of this. All that happens is that every other country gets the perfect pickup truck, and Americans don’t, and no one abroad buys GMs because they’re total shitboxes that grenade the engine at 30,000 miles
>>542049750you don't produce anything, your country is just one giant bank that we need to get rid of
>>542052620>F-150 transmission blows up in your path
>>542042357We make a shit ton of cars, trucks and SUVS, motorcycles, parts for those vehicles, medical instruments, amongst other goods.And that's not some new post Trump era thing either
>>542043721>>542044186best two posters ittsadly wasted and smartarded because the population has degenerated so much that total dispersion and collapse is unavoidable for whitey. they are fully consumed by modern addictions. these faggots mock methheads but are gooning, slopping, gaming, gambling, and consooming whatever shit the entertainment jews have shat out that targets their little psychographic. new kids cant read. old money cant move. new money sells out. old boomers bequeath to subhumans. uncle ted is proven right, and the luddites and anti literacy (like catholics). making things and thinking more and living longer and being rich cannot be put ahead of the foundation of healthy humanity which is carrying out loving duty to those around you. we now have no "around us" because we're too thin and scattered. i can't find any of you out there in the real world. just normies and niggers.
>>542052726American vehicles are absolute garbage, and all of our medical devices are manufactured in Puerto Rico or Costa Rica
>>542043011>US is second in the world in manufacturing
>>542042389whys it always foreigners who praise amish the most? maybe its because you've never interacted with them.
>>542052533>a product that has no US equivalentSuch as?You’re still going with the grocery store fallacy? No. This is a propaganda lie. America has resources, the one ultimate cornerstone “benefit” for us of free trade is cheaper labor. That is it. Stop believing the lie that it is anything else. We are in no way desperate for the goods of other nations. At least try to frame it as the goods will be cheaper
>>542052620>I think ultimately it would be a higher cost.So you are benefiting from the trade deficit.>A $20 shoe from Walmart via China falls apart in a month. An American made $300 shoe lasts 15 years. Do the math.They can make both types of shoes cheaper than you can.
>>542042222this man is a scammer. a child that played like anno games knows more about basic economics than this idiot. its mindboggling that american simpletons, have a cult of personality about this shitter just because he was born rich.
>>542052785>They're junkThat's not the discussion we're having here. Metrics for quality are subjective. You now admit we do manufacture stuff in America so you lose that argument.>Puerto rico thoI never said we were the only manufacturer of any specific good, rather that we do manufacture said goods
>>542052795if people are in this much denial, our country is unquestionably doomed.
>>542043119I like PNW boots. They're pretty high quality but pricey. Local made ones here are half the price but not quite the same.
>>542052870>They can make betterThey won't tho. That's not their manufacturing strategy. That won't make them the types of profit they're looking for.
Hahaha this thread is hilarious. miggers are so stupid. They have no understanding of the fact that THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG. Yes, before the seventies we made everything here and it was cheaper and higher quality. However that is no longer possible because there are about 7 billion people willing to work for shit wages and supply the first world with cheap (until ~2020) goodies. That's not going to change and in fact the proportion of third worlders is only going to get larger and larger, diluting the labor pool even more. We can't just up and start making the goodies here again because -- guess what -- inflation has rocketed up since the seventies and carried wages along behind it. You would need to pay $20 for a little plastic toy made by American workers whereas you can pay 50 cents for one made by indians. Guess why? Cause the indians are getting paid 1/40 of what Americans are getting paid! There's no going back. "Anti-globalists" are either retarded or demagogues. We are in a global economy that isn't just going to break apart into little bite-sized national economies again, and the sooner miggers accept that the less angry they'll be. Although I don't have high hopes for that
>>542052938>this man is a scammer. a child that played like anno games knows more about basic economics than this idiot. its mindboggling that american simpletons, have a cult of personality about this shitter just because he was born rich.the cult is about more than that, not for nothing did Trump have a copy of Hitler's speeches by his bedside, he studied the Master very carefully, while being coached by Epstein and Roy Cohn on the finer points of ZOG compliance
>>542052345a negative number is less than zero you fucking moron
>>542052870im not that fucking retard but you are a bigger fucking retard because the value is not entirely confined to the transaction there is metavalue of transacting business that depletes the overall capabilities and degrades the social fabric sp you tell me how much goybux that's worth, for NOBODY in your graduating class to have any fucking clue how to mend shoes or clothing? for nobody to have an intended industry that keeps value circulating through YOUR community with PEOPLE YOU KNOW
>>542042222All we need to do is invest in vertical farming in all the buildings that are empty from people working remotely now. Maybe you can even have volunteer programs for discounted vegetables if people tend these massive gardens. This will never happen because no one cares to actually solve problems. It truly is a detrimental problem in society
>>542053063we already do produce the most cutting edge technology in the world, you clueless tranny faggot. i hope you get replaced by a jeet. i genuinely hate you libshit retards more than niggers and jeets
>>542053063India manufacturers little. When was the last time you saw a made in india on anything? If you're gonna lie then have the common courtesy to not have ai print out a whole novella of lies please.
>>542053049>That's not their manufacturing strategy. That won't make them the types of profit they're looking for.By "they" you're referring to western companies like Vans, right?
>>542043503Good thing their bank accounts are si.ply 1s and 0s on a computer screen and if they leave we just take their wealth. They can earn it again in their new country and we will wish them good luck
>>542053149People can use their own private property to make enough food for the year, however it's the meat that we can't produce on our own at the rate of any actual ranch or farm.We need meat, and we can't keep multiple cows on our property and butcher them regularly for adequate amounts of meat.Goats maybe but that's still a pain to manage. Yes chickens and rabbits, but steak is superior
>>542052835Microchips, magnets, silver, rare earths, rubber, coffee, bananas, batteries, etc.Also there is zero reason to produce something domestically if the law of comparative advantage dictates that it cannot be produced domestically with the same efficiency as abroad>>542052953> You now admit we do manufacture stuff in America so you lose that argument.Google the definition for “equivalent”>>542053118A trade deficit is exportation of currencyIf you are the bank, running a deficit is good. Trump thinks the US is a corporation, which is why all of his decisions are retarded and make no sense. If you issue the currency, it is in your interest to export it in exchange for goods, which is what a trade deficit is
>>542053220>tranny! libshit!lol hopeless>>542053230>when was the last time you saw made in indiathis morning on a manhole cover, retard
>>542053263No, I'm talking about the asian factories that are contracted to make goods for the west.You don't have an actual argument so now you're trying to attack my statements . You're losing the argument and you know it
>>542053319>Google some words for me. Your request is not an argument
>>542044452"free" trade means WE have unfair advantages when it comes to certain inputs, therefore WE should be able to leverage that and use it to put your domestic industry out of business. It comes from the Dutch and British East India company days, when you could just colonize poor browns and take their resources for free to fuel your industry, then impose everyone else to not be able to combat that advantage.
>>542053353Doubt it. Nobody buys indian steel. Thanks for keeping your lies brief tho.
>>542053319you're a midwit, stop trying be clever, you're not. spending more money does not mean your money increases
>>542042222>tamales, tomatoes Toyotas.
>>542053432>your argument, which has the effect of making me think that severe economic malaise is coming for my country, scares and confuses me so i will just call you a liar and stop thinking
>>542042222>It’s actually incredible how retarded he is at basic economicschecked, he is an agent for israel, then kikes want to kill america
>>542053063Im not a migger and I think you're dumber than a migger. High-school drop out tier plus a huge wimpy limp wristed faggot. Globalism was an experiment and it failed because you can't practice capitalism on that scale with countries that steal and enslave their people. We are watching the cards tumble, dumbass. We need smaller, more localized business with better and more vertical integration. This is why a fucking burrito costs $20 at Chipotle but the bodega Mexican spot down the street sells them for $7 and they're better. McDonald's burgers are 3x as much than a mom and pop burger spot now. All these companies are fucked because they spread everything out and china doesn't fucking care about them. Its literally over and you're a faggot retard for not seeing it.I stopped buying shit from china a decade ago. I pay more for American or european shit and I always will. Funnily enough Chinese shit is so shit its cheaper in the long run to avoid everything from china because it breaks.
>>542053463>t. economically illiterateIf all of the USD abroad returns to the US, it immediately results in our economy imploding through hyperinflation. Zeroing the current account deficit is speed running the dollar milkshake, which is what the current stagflation is warning us about.
>>542053141Whether it's worth the supposed degradation of the social fabric not having to visit your local cobbler, tailor etc every now and then is an entirely separate argument from "trade deficits are not inherently bad">>542053367>No, I'm talking about the asian factories that are contracted to make goods for the west.So that western companies like Vans can make a greater profit, or profit at all. Isn't it ultimately within their power and responsibility to decide whether foreign cheap manufacturing can maintain the quality standards for their shoes, to decide whether they last for a month or 15 years?
>>542053408>Ignore my original argument, claim to winthe sheer unrivaled might of migger incompetence
>>542042951I vote retarded.
>>542053319>microchipsNot a resource. A manufactured good of industrial processes invented by westerners. >rubber, bananas100% viable to grow in Florida, Hawaii and other territories such as Guam. These are simply not explored because it is more profitable for internationalist elites to import them. Bananas are not actually vital. Countries are fine without them. We can have a local culture with local cuisine and be fine. The only reason bananas are a worldwide staple is American industrialists. There was no fucking silk road to get the precious bananas from the exotic farmers. Americans named Dole invented the modern banana breed and created the overseas plantations that did not exist before. It’s an entirely American operation.>silverAmerica has the 8th largest known silver reserves in the world. Known, because free trade has made industrial silver exploration less profitable. It’s a flawed premise. America can have fair trade for the very few resources that may exist outside our nation. This was in place becore NAFTA and the free trade movement which was and is entirely about cheap labor
>>542053736>Isn't it ultimately within their power and responsibility to decide whether foreign cheap manufacturing can maintain the quality standards for their shoes, to decide whether they last for a month or 15 years?Well first I accept your concession on our initial argument, Second, on this new discussion, they're responsibility to capitalism is their highest priority. That's the only thing keeping them alive and profitable.So if you want to know what that is, it's trying to condition the population to accept shittier goods for the same or greater cost.The problem with that is that when it comes to something like footwear, there are actual uses that would test their quality, keeping an understanding in the consumers mind of what true quality looks like.
>>542053817>Sidetracks the discussion>Doesn't know why his dogshit statements are being ignored.Asking people to Google things is not the way to conduct a productive discussion, lass.
>>542053888What incentive does any corporation have to dump capital into enabling the extraction or manufacturing of any of the resources you described when they can just wait between two months to two years for the American voter or their PACs to totally disembowel this administration? Especially when interest rates are as high as they currently are.
>>542053888>ackshually we could be fine without a global economy if we completely changed our way of lifewanna try selling this to the american goyslave labubu addict public?>it's an entirely american operationexcept for the people who actually PICK THE BANANAS OFF THE FUCKING TREES YOU MORON!!! LABOR COSTS MONEY!!!
>>542043304No more drugs for this faggot.
>>542054028I said equivalent products, retardThere are no equivalent products to foreign manufactured ones, currently, which is why all tariffs do is increase prices and don’t change purchasing preferences at all. No one is buying American PCBs or chips despite tarriffs, because American PCBs and chips do not exist. The American beef market is dying and tarriffs do not help because increases in beef prices from tariffs just cause demand destruction.America does not have access to light sweet crude, only the refining equipment for it, which is why the Iran bungle is retarded and masked only by the drawdown of the SPR.
>>542054045>>542054033When your only argument for free trade is its not profitable for the robber-barons and the American people have become too degenerate to accept it, I think you have conceded whether you realize it or not
>>542054220>I said equivalent Not anywhere in any of the posts linked to this discussion you didn't Go ahead, place the post in this response. I'll wait.
>>542054246My assertion is that a Jewish pedophile making things more expensive for Americans by not understanding macroeconomics does not solve a currency collapse that’s been 60 years in the making at all, it just avoids addressing the root cause and continues to make people miserable while enriching Jews and corporatists
>>542045038Interestingly I asked AI to plot the divergence between the current €\$ exchange rate (spot, let's say buying a flight ticket to europe) and the *actual* exchange if, say, an american private or company want to buy actual hard assets, real estate for instance.This index exists already although isn't visible to the common public but only from institutional operators.The divergence show how the real economy is currently pricing a dollar agains an euro, and the gap is widening.
>>542044602That still leaves the domestic shoes costing $1000. Would you buy $1000 shoes?
>>542054246I'm not saying free trade is good. It isn't. It's bad. I'm saying it's here to stay barring a literal revolution or AI takeover because it's so profitable for the most powerful people in the world
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>>542054107The jew flag you fly shows me all i need to know. You couldn't refute so you did the typical jew route instead
>>542053942You should be able to answer basic questions without acting like a debate bro that's obsessed with perceived concessions.>The problem with that is that when it comes to something like footwear, there are actual uses that would test their quality, keeping an understanding in the consumers mind of what true quality looks like.Footwear was one example. China manufactures everything from shoes to steel to drinking straws to toys to towels to computer chips and so on and so on. The point remains that it is simply cheaper to manufacture labor intensive consumer goods in countries where labor is cheap, and we in the west are not getting ripped off because thirdies are working for next to nothing under conditions that we would consider inhumane. A trade deficit between the US and Mexico is a nothingburger, it just shows that Mexicans cheaply produce shit that Americans want. I don't understand why autarky obsessed economylets want westerners to sow t-shirts in sweatshops all day when we can sit in air-conditioned offices and get paid x50 their salary for attending some meetings and writing a few lines of code every now and then. We are educated. Our advantage lies in providing high-end goods and services, why the fuck would we want to try to compete with the Vietnamese in t-shirt manufacturing? They're good at it because they can line up 10 rows of 1,000 Nguyens who will work 12 hour shirts for $1 an hour.
>>542052740Watch anime
>>542045673They’re right thoughever. Only the ones on the winning side before Trump would disagree
>>542054565> The point remains that it is simply cheaper to manufacture labor intensive consumer goods in countries where labor is cheap, and we in the west are not getting ripped off because thirdies are working for next to nothing under conditions that we would consider inhumane.This. No one here is confronting the fact that comparative advantage is a factor that dictates a lot in economics and cannot be ignored. Refusing to allow someone who can produce something more efficiently, to produce it more efficiently just introduces economic drag and needlessly makes things more expensive for everyone.Comparative advantage is also the reason why you can’t just import jeets to do white jobs. It is a refusal to accept that certain people do certain things better and are not equivalently exchangeable for each other.
>>542042222>2222I'm going to assume that on a cosmic level you're being used as an example.Not trading = not dependant.This is part of the Nazi economic miracle and is actually one of the things globalists fear the most.Traditionally, economics is not a big part of politics and trade is typically about luxury and novelty, you're never supposed to be held over a barrel and lose your independence.Some arguments would say that mutual trade dependency leads to peace, but that would also require non mass immigration, forcing specialisms. A better case can be made for novelty trading being good for peace. For example, Japanese novelty industries have definitely contributed to Japan being a liked country.American culture is the most redeeming part of America and it's main luxury export. Generally speaking though, self sufficiency is better.
>>542043011But you can't eat bullets, plywood and gasoline, anon.
>>542045038Sure but the legal currency has the backing of a major military power that makes it hard to ignore.The downside is that enthralls them to the USA and in the process enthralls Americans to piggy bank duty.At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the USA is basically the armed wing of the Bank of England.
>>542054388Seems like there's some money to be made there in arbitrage.
>>542053319>If you issue the currency, it is in your interest to export it in exchange for goods, which is what a trade deficit isSmartest anon ITT, perhaps on /pol/ at this moment.The entire reason that a global currency of reserve exchanges money for foreign goods is because its basically fucking free. Those places will get their dollars, need services, have none of their own, and come BACK TO YOU to spend that money on white-collar services like banking, IT, and other such things.So we converted fiat currency into cheap goods (because its made by browns on the other side of the planet) and then turned it back into pay money for skilled professionals.By running America like a corporation, Trump has just created a shitload of demand destruction because we don't fucking grow coffee and bananas here, we don't have enough cattle to have beef for everyone, and we don't make anywhere near enough of our microchips (and if we did we don't assemble the final products here). So he just ballooned the fuck out of goods AND food costs for no good fucking reason, meanwhile the dollar is on the ropes because it relies entirely on the idea that the US is a stable and sane government (hence being fiat currency), and the 10 year bond is laughing in his face every single fucking day.Like, I'm not even saying the trade situation as it was was perfect. It wasn't, but the way you bring some of those jobs back is not by slathering tariffs on shit we do not, cannot, and never will produce here.
>>542042222Ireland trades with itself, its like an agrarian insular economy..They problem is America is Schizophrenic to the point of a bipolar mental illness.. One year is bring in all the Venezuala gangs to pump housing. The Next year its MIGGA and fronting like youre about to build an insular agrarian ethno state. But yeah...He's isolating himself into irrelevant. Like 2016 I could have reached out and touched this mans hand..Today Its prob. more like shit I dont know you and the feeling feels mutual. I guess get that bag nigga.
>>542054436>Posts screenshot Top fucking kek. Your new age is showing hard right now. You're supposed to cut and past the post id. It's linkable so anyone can click it to find it.But more importantly, that was some other discussion you were having with someone else. You're right that you posted that, but you're wrong that it was a part of our discussion, lass.Nice try tho
>>542055346For instance is the sentiment from the political of build chips and inverters here build infrastructure in America? Considering the power house of infrastructure was walked over to CHYNA by that same political that forms the politico-economics inter play? It might be just wait for Trump to die since the rule book is schizophrenic bi polar. That seems impossible to predict or navigate. Is this relationship beneficial or serves as a function to Stall America as CHYNA, mostly stable, pushes even farther forward? Is Lutnick "fuck chyna" economic book serving as a sino-jewish chinese trick to fuck America even further? Is America just completely unsustainable in this globalist macro scope? And its america's fault? Ireland is not great. Theyre fed but not great.
>>542054565>Perceived concessions When you move on from a topic because you don't have a response, that's your problem not mine As for moving the discussion away from quality is a much bigger discussion.You mention gook manufactured tshirts. The reason we would want to complete with them is because we fucking can. Nobody is saying we should abandon high end goods and services, were saying that there is always room for improvement even at the bottom where bottom feeding gooks live.Technology is a motherfucker, and It seems Asians can only copy what we produce in that arena, giving us a massive advantage as we go along. If you're telling me we shouldn't use tech and process to replace bottom feeding gooks, then I'm telling you that you aren't a true capitalist, which you never claimed to be however does demonstrate why you struggle in this discussion
>>542048350No exaggeration. I have my grandparent's chrome blender and toaster on my counter now; they were wedding gifts and they are over 70 years old. They work perfectly and look great.In a consoooomer society, how can a company stay in business if their products last 50, 60, 70 years or more?Building and buying trash is a choice.
>>542055773> and It seems Asians can only copy what we produce in that arena, giving us a massive advantage as we go alongThis is patently untrue, seeing as TSMC beat Intel to the 7nm punch by years
>>542042222>tomatoes aren't necessarily, we only need AI data centersLol, fatstater at best, how this faggot hasn't been impeached already? The rise of the debt shouldn't open an investigation for his impeachment?
>>542055764Like u flick open the news paper and say stock color: Green. Dividends about to pay me Chans promise of $125 a month of Universal Basic Income in Boomer BUCKS. In other news CHYNA STONKS SUCK!! CHYNA HOUSING MARKET COLLAPSE!!..So you think to yurself we won! MIGGER!!But little do you know the average Chinese man owns 8 houses 5 cars and a Mclaren..Is this what winning looks like? is it all a facade? Is a collapsed housing market the product of this promised world of abundance?
>>542056092>Taiwan invented silicon chipsOh really? Holy shit , tell me more about this high tech bleeding edge civilization. You're literally proving my point with that statement. You likely believe the Japanese invented the automobile.
>>542054565You will never make the retard right understand this, you are wasting your time. It's just based on romanticising certain jobs, nothing to do with actual economics
Did people forget how Japan was literally about to replace the US as a world export superpower in the 80's but got destroyed through a trade war?America is a brutal ally. They will ass fuck you hard the moment the tide turns and you're no longer of use to them.
>>542055314and he was voted in because millions aren’t benefiting from the change. people don’t want automation they want to use shovels and drive the elevator and basically nerds should be gassed and the world would become a better place
>>542054413yes if they are fitting for me and high quality. people don’t even notice they spend more getting a pair of nikes every year but go omg so expensive if you have to spend a bit more to get some that last a lifetime
>>542056306Invented =! Comparative advantage or bestThe US invented handguns but currently CZ, Glock, HK, and Walther are kicking the shit out of the domestic industry.TSMC owns the dies. They developed the dies. We would have to buy the dies from them to have them. Trump’s whole domestic chip making thing was getting TSMC to put their fabs in the US. This means that the US is incapable of reasonably developing the <10nm fabs on its own, or at least that it is so economically unviable that not even tariffs could reasonably incentivize it.
>>542056357>you can sit in the air conditioner. NIGGER. I need to tell you something..In Russia the cashier sits on a stool..In Ireland the Cashier sits on a Stool, In CHYNA the majority of manufature sits on a stool. Sitting down in the air conditioner..In America they hate the Goyim..Its the 1 and only difference. Its to see how much you can dehumanize the goys like a game. U simply cannot MIGGER
>>542044582If you literally needed to poison a nation's people with narcotics, chances are that nation had the upper hand at the start.
He is just so dumb... why have you all done this to us.
most of our factories are outside the us in china, taiwan and mexico stupid fucking nigger we're going to be paying extra for our own shit.
>>542056712YES! IT ABSOLUTELY DOES.if I invent wooden wheels and you make the more affordably than I do, then you take it a step further and make them out of cheaper stronger wood.That's nice. Good for you. The entire time you were working on improving some shitty wooden wheel I was r&d'ing flying cars That's where the advantage is.Asian nations focus their engineering "talent" on trying to improve existing technologies by reducing costs in materials, process etc, while western nations with true R&D divisions seek to replace yesteryears techs altogether.There are few if any new technologies coming out of Asia. The bulk of the modern world was and is invented by the western world
If Trump is so stupid, why is he rich
>>542056712Fun fact, Walther made mechanical calculators after WWII
>>542056357Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?Do you know what a 12 hour shift standing on an assembly line and protein shakes does to your legs?The Jews dont want you to know but you can simply snap kick and push kick Tim Cook if you can find him in the wild.
>>542056989Opportunity. Your average fella hasn't had the opportunities delivered to Donny "Dipshit".
>>542056964Uh, okay, so what advanced shit is the US working on? Because the only thing we’re doing is blowing huge amounts of cash on warehouses full of GPUs made in Taiwan to run chatbots that tell people that eating rocks is healthy and fritter porn generators.You have this retarded head-in-the-clouds American exceptionalism thing going on where supposedly the only reason we’re not floating around with antigravity shoes is because we haven’t waved the flag and listened to Mike Rowe hard enough.How are we replacing yesteryear’s tech? Currently. What is the US doing right now technologically to obviate the rest of the world?Because it seems like we’re embroiled in another Israeli forever war while the government prints money to fuel a stock market bubble, and that’s about it
>>542056964Why do we need flying cars?And this is where the western man faulters. He chases novelty for novelties own sake. Never pausing to ponder if its needed or necessary or how it will affect the world. He is like a chariot driven by wild horses, no insight no direction, simply running as fast as he can forward with reckless abandon.And what has it won you? You are surrounded by gadgets, gizmos, trinkets and toys and yet you are unhappy. You live in the ruins of a future that you are always grasping for but never arriving at.There might be more wisdom in improving things before moving on to the next novelty than you suspect.
>>542042975you are so fucking retarded it is unreal
>>542042222>Mexico>received remittance from illegals in US>cheat on tariffsMexico is supposedly our best trading partner. If this is how they're treating us, how are they treating others?
>>542054565Let's say you took one consumer good that's currently sourced from abroad and instead shifted to sourcing it domestically. Shirt buttons, for example. The consumer will now pay marginally more for shirts (maybe $1 or $2), but now all that money (maybe $20,000,000 per annum) will stay inside the country and support the livelihoods of 200 people at the shirt button factory, who will also now spend that money in your economy. This is indisputably good and the only "cost" was that consumers are now paying a slightly higher amount for shirts, which leaves them with slightly less money to purchase other goods. Now, if you take this out to its logical extreme, there would be a lot more decent jobs and a lot more money flowing around inside the domestic economy if everyone shifted to accepting some minimum acceptable standard of living in order to support buying domestically as much as possible. There's also no intrinsic reason why in the resultant absence (or at least diminishment) of competitive pressure in these industries they could not still also produce the best of those goods in the world, enabling them to export them abroad as well. So it's REALLY a question of what you believe about human nature. If you think people are selfish and lazy, then they'll always buy the cheaper good from elsewhere at the cost of hurting their countrymen, and those domestic industries will stagnate because people will tend to only ever do the bare minimum, and they'll take advantage of their captive market by producing mediocre products.
>>542042707>"Nooooo! Not our fizzy corn syrup water and synthetic cookies for children!!!"America is a circus
>>542055773>You mention gook manufactured tshirts. The reason we would want to complete with them is because we fucking can. Nobody is saying we should abandon high end goods and services, were saying that there is always room for improvement even at the bottom where bottom feeding gooks live.You have a finite labor pool to work jobs and you have finite capital to invest in business. You cannot do everything and outcompete everyone, including in areas where you don't have the advantage. The more Americans you tie up in these low-skill manufacturing jobs the fewer Americans there are to become educated and work high-skill jobs. The thread has hit the bump limit so before it 404s, please get this through your thick skull: it is a good thing that westerners don't have to work these dog shit jobs anymore. They are not glamorous, they are not desirable, they are not well-paying.
>>542056818He is /pol/'s very own tulpa that has been created to play his part as the Antichrist for the end times. He is the very definition of an "empty man", put into place by a bunch of autistic schizos on the Internet. He is beyond dumb, because he is the empty man. His role is to bring about the destruction of this demon ruled world we inhabit. He "thinks" he is saving Babylon, but he is in truth helping to destroy it. All according to plan.
>>542057663The broken window paradox in action, everyone
>>542056494well there is plenty of infrastructure and maintenance type work that could be done and paid for by the federal government (it issues the currency), but this would inevitably lead to improved and increased assets, which existing asset holders don't want.the idea that you need to choose between being an import-heavy economy and not having jobs and automation and all of this is a false choice brought about by misunderstandings in what money is and where it comes from.
>>542052345Why not just stop producing anything and just import everything then?
>>5420576631. The cost of American laborers is not "marginally" higher than that of a Vietnamese or Chinese worker, it is considerably more expensive, so the result would not be a marginal increase in the cost of shirts, you would see a noticeable increase in the cost of shirts, shoelaces, bowling ball pins, dinner plates, wineglasses, frisbees, literally any good produced by a more expensive American worker. Everyone would be paying more for every good that wasn't outsourced to a cheaper manufacturer.2. The money that is saved on these noticeably cheaper goods is still spent in the economy, if you hit your budget limit after buying clothes this month because they're American made then that's money you're not going to spend at the local restaurant, bar or venue when a local band is paying.3. The 200 people working in the shirt factory could be working much higher paying jobs, making more money for themselves and having more money to spend in their local community.
>>542058100Comparative advantageThe US has comparative advantage in a lot of things, it just happens (and is a feature of any reserve currency) that our imports are greater than our exports, which is the cause of the current account deficit, which is in and of itself not a bad thing. What is important is demand, the hole in demand for our goods and services is filled by global demand for our currency itself.
>>542057865No it isn't
