Leftists simultaneously believe that human beings are fundamentally good and only ever do bad things because some external forces make them do so, while also being extremely misanthropic and thinking that humanity is basically a scourge on the “environment”. These seem like completely contradictory ideas, yet they are both equally inextricable from modern leftism. How can anyone believe both of these things at the same time?
I do not see how they contradict each other.
>>542052682Have you tried reading a book?
>>542052682>Leftist believe (made-up shit by a nigger)
>>542053074Yeah, nigger
>>542053204>still cant explain how they contradictI didnt mean Clifford, the Big Red Dog
>>542052682why does the left hate being gay with there own dads?
>>542053295I read more than you, libtard. The contradiction needs no further explanation. You are willfully ignoring it because you’re a faggot
>>542052682>How can anyone believe both of these things at the same time?Simple.They are hypocrites.
>>542053025>I do not see how they contradict each other.We know.That's why you need to be hanged.There is no fixing someone who sees no wrong in the evil they perpetrate.
>>542052682I dont think lefties truly believe anything at all.
>>542052682this image would kill a victorian child or something
>>542052682I believe this. And i don't believe destroying the environment is inherently evil i think doing nothing about it so a few people can profit is. I do think billionaires are inherently evil though
>>542053861>>542054113Since its so obvious, why cant you explain it? You want it to contradict, but it doesnt. Facts dont care about your feelings
>>542054113Are you trying to be ironic, or are you so far gone that you think what you said is not evil?
>>542052682You can align these positions if you believe that humans are essentially estranged from nature in sich a way that they as a collective undermine the conditions for their own survival. This does not make humans bad in any moral sense of the word (they can still seek to act on moral principles), but it makes them misjudge how to trear the environment. Thus man can be ‘good’ Among themselves (where rules of engagement and moral prescripts apply) and ‘bad’ for nature, because man’s moral frame is disengaged from the natural world. Added onto this is the fact that the scientific method and the use of tools has enabled man to act upon his misjudgement of nature and to actually realize its destruction. A mouse simulator inclined would only become the Victim of its own inadequacy. Do you follow?
>>542054548OP does not follow
>>542052682> human beings are fundamentally good and only ever do bad things because some external forces make them do soThis is simply a basic anthropological fact. Archaeological findings show that prehistoric people cared for their disabled and elderly members rather than killing them off (as ignorant far-rights imagine).>while also being extremely misanthropic and thinking that humanity is basically a scourge on the “environment”I don't care much above "environment", global climate cycles operate independently. Humanity's contribution is immeasurably small. The Earth's climate has undergone radical changes countless times.
>>542054627OP can't think outside of the lense of us vs. them in to the end of the subjugation of the "other", which is the closest ill come to branding something "evil" but even that is bred from ignorance so I still hold my belief that people are good
>>542052682well leftism is a mental disorder soimagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicks ???
>>542052682The problem with pointing out contradictions in your political opponent's ideology is that your side also has the same contradiction. Those same issues but flipped around. So you might as well not have made this thread at all since it's pointless.
>>542054449Because they are simultaneously pro- and anti-humanity. They see human beings as inherently good in one context, and bad in another. They are pathologically obsessed with maintaining the “moral arch of history bending toward progress” that they think will eventually deliver future generations to utopia, and also basically indifferent to the extinction of our species, and don’t see any innate value in human life. These things don’t cohere
>>542055684The left and right are not categorically the same though in that “the right” includes many strains of thought with different origins and epistemologies. The left is constituted by a very linear ideological progression, from Rousseau to Marx, to Neo-Marxists, and anything that diverges from this at all is considered the right. The right is simply the absence of the left, so identifying contradictions in broadly right-wing thought doesn’t really make sense.
>>542056371People can be good but their actions can be harmful for the ecosystem we rely on to survive. The contradiction is nothing if you dont twist the language to your ends
>>542052682>Leftists simultaneously believe that human beings are fundamentally good and only ever do bad things because some external forces make them do so, >while also being extremely misanthropic and thinking that humanity is basically a scourge on the “environment”.That's brainwashing. Brainwashing in schools makes them believe that humans are responsible for the bad "environment". Fossil fuels meme propaganda is very strong. >while oil isn't fossil,>it is a HydroCarbon, combination of H (Hydrogen) and C (Carbon) molecules. The issue with leftists is that they don't check their sources when they graduate high school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon
>>542058551Buddy relax. CO2 is a plant food. CO2 can only affect 5% of green house gases, 95% is water vapor. >water vapor , oceans and water cycle. Also btw oil is abiotic and is 2nd largest liquid on the planet. You need to admit that something was wrong with your education .
>>542058551No one would object to this statement, and this isn’t really what the left believes. They don’t believe that we “can be good” in spite of our inclinations toward selfishness, wrath, etc. like in the older Christian moral system. They believe that these underlying flaws in human nature don’t exist — that we either don’t have human nature at all and we can be molded into perfect beings with perfect justice through social constructionism, or that our state of nature is perfect egalitarianism as conceived by Rousseau and Marx, and that the goal of society should be to eventually return to this. Either way they believe that humans are inherently without flaw, and that injustice and inequality in the world only arises because of depersonalized systems and forces like “capitalism”, and or civilization itself that necessarily require hierarchical structure. Despite holding these ideas about intrinsic human goodness or the capacity thereof, they somehow also believe that we are basically irredeemable the consequence of our existence is overwhelmingly negative, and our lives are meaningless
>>542052682>How can anyone believe both of these things at the same time?By having anti-White and anti-Christian hatred as your main motivation.
>>542052682Tldr (((Liberals and / or Conservatives))) redit Anon
>>542053074I even succeeded
>>542052682white people are generally good? Is your mixed dna confusing you on that topic?
>>542061618>another 70 IQ Natsoc flag saying liberalism and conservatism are fake Jewish inventions as if Hitler’s political project itself wasn’t explicitly opposing liberals and bolsheviks
>>542061978>white people are generally good?This is what you think leftists believe? Don’t call me mixed, ramjeep
>>542052682Very cool thread. Still going to support Palestine
