What are your guys' thoughts on therapy, counseling, etc.? Is it actually more than just paying someone a lot of money to listen to you talk uninterrupted for an hour, every week, for years?Do women actually gain benefit? Do men? What about "couple's therapy/counseling"? What are the political implications of counseling and therapy on the modern American experiment?
>>542053829Always rememberThe World needs therapy.Not you
>>542053829JEWS EAT KIDS
>>542053829It seems like a trap
Most of my thoughts would be impossible to share or understand by anyone
>>542053829Have you SEEN America lately? We all need therapy to process the fascist takeover.
>>542054068I feel you, friend.
>>542053829From my experience a waste of time, a scam, and pseudoscience. Also, the majority of them go into it because they are themselves troubled people.>Hmm yes, how did that make you feel?>Why do you think that is?>Etc.I had one that would put words into my mouth as well. E.g.>Driving to the place>Drivers side tyre went into the ditch a little bit because the road was narrow as fuck>Tyre shredded by rock>Make it there>Explain why I'm late>Hmmm, do you think some part of you wanted that to happen so I would help you change the tyre?>Just to be clear I'm not doing that.>Do you think you really want me to be your daddy?Fucking kek.
CBT and talk therapy is for fags. Psychoanalysis can actually be helpful. Medication is only useful if you're actively suicidal or psychotic
>>542053829''go to therapy'' is the libtard atheist version of ''go to church''
>>542053829it's helpful if you find a good psychiatrist which is rare
>>542054201Unsurprisingly the field attracts predators
>>542053919Gurpreet gets it
>>542054201Kek that's hilarious
>>542053829I have been under forced psychiatric care as well as regular therapy. It doesnt really help with anything, its rather boring and repetetive stuff.
>>542053829I think it would be cool if the therapist was an extremely educated and experienced older gentleman who takes his job seriously and cares about people but it's just all women now so it has become an awful nightmare
>>542053829It's about %80 garbage and %20 useful. It's mostly a Jewish subversion of the sacrament of confession, but without the sacrament there is no reconciliation with God. Being miserable and unhappy is not usually a disease, but the natural result of living in a fallen world. The pretense of science is the worst thing about it. It's completely unscientific. There's a well known replication crisis in psychology research and yet people treat psychologists as if they actually know how to help people, they don't. There are more people on drugs and in therapy than ever and yet people in the Western world are more broken than ever. That alone is proof that it is a mostly failed project. That being said, some people actually have no one to talk to, and just having someone to bounce your thoughts and feelings off of can be helpful in certain small ways.
>>542054376I am curious how Norwegian forced psych care is. I used to work in EMS in the States and we'd occasionally have to transport psych patients to "forced psych" and they'd always come out worse. Even had one successfully hang herself in their suicide-proof room, we revived her, then she was back in that room no more than eight hours later.>>542054420>I think it would be cool if the therapist was an extremely educated and experienced older gentleman who takes his job seriously and cares about peopleThis I can get behind
never ask a therapist how many patients they have cured
>>542053829Its 99% useless, 198% useless if there is a woman sitting in front of you.
>>542054660Unless you sleep with her
>>542054560>just having someone to bounce your thoughts and feelings off of can be helpful in certain small waysSeeking counsel in men can be good for the ponderer, I see what you're saying when someone has no one else to speak to. I've not considered the Jewish subversion of confession angle.
>>542054420say what you really mean, anon.>I wish I had a father (who cared)
>>542053829I need pussy, not someone to listen to me
>>542054574It all depends on the patient. I have never been violent or aggressive or suicidal. My story is fucked up but nonetheless all the forced aspects were mainly to do with medication I did not want; I was mostly living at home during it. Norway has good facilities; asylums are like hotel rooms with all the facilities you would expect. Difficult patients might get the belt etc.; no idea what those wings are like but i have read stories.
>>542053829the real answers, which provide the real solution to your real problems, always come from turning inward, and engaging in introspection... not from paying for a therapist.
>>542054873I've heard good things about your prison system, but never Norway's asylums. Thank you for the insight, anon. If you don't mind my asking, what kind of drugs did they put you on?
>>542054842>I need pussy, not someone to listen to meThis is why therapy is worthless it will not help you with this your female therapist will lie to you about what women like and say just be a better feminist and more passive with women.
How will therapy deal with issues like toxic politics, the environment and Jew masons controlling the world and gangstalking anons on here? I've tried it multiple times and they all want to prescribe me meds.
>>542053829The only real psychology is evolutionary psychology which therapists and psychologists do NOT use. They are NOT there to help you they're there to emasculate you. They do NOT like men no matter what they say, except in the bedroom where they need a real man to get them off but they HATE that about themselves.
>>542053829Most of the stuff I share about myself is the illegal stuff I want to do so I am forced to keep every bottled up.
>>542053829>therapy counselingthese can be very helpful especially when things really fuckup
>>542055059talk therapy can be useful for the "neurotic" types who are bad at introspection... talk therapy basically doesn't work at all for the "psychotic" type. buddhism and meditation will help you more.
>>542054897Like how will therapy deal with organized gangstalking and them trying to drive me insane? The fuck.
>>542054897When an anon's wife says they need couple's therapy, how would one turn inwards to seek guidance? Where does the insight come from, and what can be gleamed from it?
>>542053829I've tried it since I was 18 on and off and essentially, you're just paying someone to agree with you on whatever bullshit delusions that you have whether those are delusions of grandeur or otherwise. And they know this and they scam you into booking more sessions with some leftist therapist who can and will use what you say against you if you ever decide to cross them.
>>542055009Been on a lot of stuff over the years. Primarily anti psychotics, obviously. But during my first stay that lasted almost a year i got benzo as well. Depotinjections of anti psychotics was what i refused and got put on forced care because i objected.. Some aspects of this system is extremely prejudiced and lazy. I have never caused much of a scene or been that crazy, i told a true story they did not believe until i got a letter from the government confirming parts of it, thats how the forced care ended. Long story short.
>>542054201I think your therapist wanted to molest you, fren
Basically find its impossible to not lie to them so its useless as fuck to mebut when your institutionalized you kinda have no choice
>>542054376What's psych care like in Norway? I'd imagine the girls are very cute.
>>542055169I've tried that and it's surprisingly difficult to do or sustain but more helpful. Idk if it's my ADHD or autism.
>>542055173talk therapy won't do anything for the "psychotic" type issues. What will help you is the Eye of Horus, and reclaiming control and power over your own Mind.
>>542055254Interesting. Thank you for the insight.
I wish I had gotten therapy when I was younger, I have so many problems. Life is exhausting
>>542054006it is a trap all those meetings are recorded and if you're married it'll be used against you. If you act out against the corrupt political establishment it'll be used against you. Find some male friends to play project zomboid with
>>542055294I'm trying to become more powerful than all my enemies. I've realized power is the real currency that gets things done. All my problems were inflicted by beings more stronger than me.
>>542055282They where but not worth the trouble in hindsight. Psych care is good i guess.
>>542055342they'll put you on a trouble youth list and threaten taking you away if you don't gobble down the meds that actually turn you into a mental nutcase. What you're experiencing is normal growing up. People go and do all sorts of activities to find peace in life - church, golf, bowling, who the fuck cares what. Feeling unsettled about life and unresolved past is the nature of human existence, as has been written about since the bronze age
Like my problems are spiritual, mental and physical (money/autism). The only way to overcome is when this evil world ends. I feel prophecy is bullshit and nothing ever happens. It's the whole reason I didn't kill myself but I'm realizing it was a big mistake. Fml.
>>542053829Anyone who seeks it is probably schismatic and just needs kept on a leash
>>542055381Use the All-Seeing Eye to your advantage. >Do not say: "Find me a strong protector, for one in my city has injured me." And say not "Find me a redeemer, for one who hates me has done me harm." Surely, you know not the plans of God and cannot see tomorrow. Settle down, then, in the hands of God. And your self-mastery in silence will overthrow them. For ancient and deep is the fear of the crocodile who makes no sound. –The Book of Amenomope
>>542053829I'm a children and juvenile psychiatrist and my opinion is if you need therapy/counseling as a adult you should be institutionalized and have a legal guardian. You're that far gone from a functional person that you should under no circumstances annoy the public with your shit else you're just a whiny lil bitch, nothing you can't solve with some beatings and manning the fuck up or a simple neck shot.
>>542054420And how does this make you feel, anon?
>>542055518>Beware of robbing the poor and of oppressing the weak and helpless. Raise not your hand against the aged nor address an elder with improper speech. Let not yourself be sent on an evil mission nor stand in the company of those who have performed it. Rage not against those who injure you, nor on your account answer them. The wharf falls from under the wicked and a flood of water washes them away. The north wind comes down to end their hour on earth and turns into a tempest; the thunder roars and the crocodiles come without mercy. –The Book of Amenomope
>>542055472Who pays for it?
>>542053829It only works if you are easily manipulated.Therapists aren't sincere, they are just doing their job and you're just the next number to bring in the cash. I went through with it to get a diagnose, because it was mandatory and then quit, because it didn't change anything for the better.I can see why it is popular with women and why they think it helps them. For them the value lies in being able to yap in private with someone pretending to care for once.
>>542055518The all seeing eye aka god aka Skynet is the demiurge controlling this prison reality. What will that do?
>>542053829Don't do it. Therapy is a job much better, and was traditionally done by, your circle of friends over a beer. If there's something you need to discuss that you wouldn't tell your closest friends, then you definitely should not discuss it with a therapist. Don't believe them when they tell you it's confidential, because there is no rule of law under Jewish mob rule. If you don't know anybody to have conversations with, then that's a good indication that you have to find some friends, and quickly. Therapy is always a waste of time and money better spend on discussing the issue with friends or family instead. If you go to therapy and they identify you as somebody who is isolated, they will pass that information on to Jews who will stage an accident and harvest your organs. I'm not joking, I saw this all the time in Los Angeles.
>>542055489That's what they did to me when I was about 15-16 so you're talking about twenty years ago. Took me out of school for over a week and fucked up everything I was working on at school and the medicines they gave me in that hospital caused me to get agitated and aggressive with everyone at school. Wasn't good.
>>542055261That was the original idea of this field
>>542053829Here's the thing with men's problems: they are real problems that need real life solutions. A therapist isn't solving that shit for you under most circumstances. Like if you are in debt and that is depressing you, you need a financial advisor, not a therapist. Or if you want a GF, a therapist won't help you there either. Now if it's untangling shit in your past and how you feel about it and figuring out depression shit - yea a therapist MIGHT help you out here. I say might, because if your person is female, they aren't helping dick. If he's male with life experience, he might have solutions for you. And that is largely due to females HATING male emotions and finding them icky. You won't get any emotional support from women by definition. Plus you need to be aware that "not solving problems = guaranteed income" for them. A financial incentive to not fix you is a VERY BAD thing, and low population EQ means exploitation is possible. Doctors at least have to keep you alive or income stops for them. Personally, I'd rather point most men towards the handful of male psychologists online for free learning. You don't need to pay thousands for what learning you can get for free. Only if that free shit doesn't help should you go after a pro.
>>542055642Karma will take care of it. Always.
>>542055628The state obviously. I would become a terrorist if the state could put me under forced psychiatric care and then give me a bill afterwards.
>>542055642>the demiurge controlling this prison reality. ... is you. You control your mind.
>>542053829>go to therapy>get my penis out>"okay im ready to be raped">foid frowns and leaves the room in a rush>calls security>they enter and I'm sat in the chair with a full-mast erection>im escorted out of the buildingits a scam
>>542055795>To summarize, then, the supreme universe is a triadic cyclical process that is continually going on, evolving and exploding into myriads of pathlines of potential universes. The concept of the triadic cyclical process is not the same as the triadic nature of Hinduism, which posits three primary forces, Creation (Brahma), Maintenance/Continuing (Vishnu) and Destruction (Shiva) but a triadic form that consists of the Father/Creative Impulse (First Intelligence), the Mother-Creatrix-Generator (Second Intelligence) and the Child (Third Intelligence). Thus the universe of universes is an extremely complex union set of essentially all possibilities that form and dissolve subject to certain laws that are for the most part unknown to virtually everyone except for a few mathematicians and realized beings who can conceptualize a universe that is there and at the same time, never was and never will be. The Musès view does not accept the concept of there being an eternal Creator who is outside of the universe itself and who is always separated from the universe. Nor does this view accept the root of evil being with a rebellion from a specific being within the created universe. The creation of the universe is a byproduct of a specific error which was the result of a wrong thought by the Third Intelligence. At some point in this process, the Third Intelligence/Aeon (essentially Father/Mother/Child, where the Third Intelligence is the Child) thought a single thought, that it was self-contained and that through its awareness could bring about the creation of a universe or time-line.
>>542055993>And therein lies the root catastrophe, for by thinking or imagining the thought that a universe could be brought forth from within its own awareness, that very thought created a universe based on separation and limitation. Thus, countless copies of the Third Intelligence were formed in reaction to that thought, and that each such copy or emanation thinks itself to be separate under will, and must continue to exist until it awakens into the liberation that is beyond simple separation. Therefore, while each being is an independent entity, each entity replicates the error that the Third Intelligence itself made. Each such being is therefore “wired” into the potentiality of manifesting evil in its actions. There is no specific being to blame, as it is the responsibility of the individual to either evolve and resolve the conflict and separation in its own being, or to be subject to the flow of cosmic forces on a seemingly eternal battlefield. Time itself becomes either an enemy or an ally in which specific entities can learn to step outside of the seemingly infinite duration.
>>542055715>KarmaI hope so otherwise I wouldn't be stuck in this time war with monsters and gods.
>>542053829>Do women actually gain benefit?Absolutely. Women are emotional dumpster fires, having fellow women be their paid emotional dumping site is great because it means men aren't having to do that thankless work. Therapy is really a female enterprise - it's women run, and women consume the product. It's male-hostile by nature thanks to the feminist takeover. >"couple's therapy/counseling"Eh, this is a your mileage may vary kind of thing. It could just be a male-bashing session if run by a feminist. If they hold the wife accountable for her specific shit, absolutely this can be useful/helpful, but that is going to be rare. It's really only going to work if the wife wants to change and the dude hasn't given up - most times it's gonna be a shared male-bashing session that helps justify her divorce. Counseling is really just a product of No-Fault Divorce. The latter is the root cause of most divorces (85% by women because they are bored). Telling men they need to be stand-up comedians for their wives on top of ALL the other shit they have to do is a non-solution.
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>>542053829For men? Its a waste unless you are a true bonafede sperg.This board is a good enough outlet for most topics. Do you want to be specific about the type of therapy you want to attend?
>>542056054SIRIUS, KARMA, AND THE LAW OF PERIODICITY>The impulses which bring about the periodical appearing and disappearing of ALL existences can largely be traced to the star Sirius. >-Alice A. Bailey/D.K.Sirian force, as we have just seen, is intimately connected with the Cosmic Mental Plane, since the consciousness of the Sirian Logos resides upon that plane. Hence, in a basic way, Sirian influence carries the force of the Cosmic Mental Plane. This plane, as mentioned above, is the dimension or level from which the Law of Karma issues forth. The Law of Karma itself, as an even earlier discussion brought out, is but an equivalent of the Second Aspect or the Law of Attraction, the Law of Attraction in turn strongly related to Sirius and the basis of cyclicity or periodicity. Thus emerges an almost circular linkage between Sirius, the Cosmic Mental Plane, and the Laws of Karma, Attraction and Periodicity. These ponderous forces and energies are great spiritual principles exerting enormous influence over the conditions in which evolution proceeds.Within the structure of evolutionary process, perhaps one of the most influential is the Law of Karma. Karma, a word from the Sanskrit language, has numerous subtleties and shadings of denotation as well as of connotation. It is derived from the Sanskrit root KR, meaning to do, to act. One of the most fundamental meanings of the word is, therefore, simply action and its results. The Tibetan tells us that the principle of consequences from prior action pertains to all that there is. He says, >“Everything is, in its totality, the result of action taken by cosmic Essences and Entities in earlier solar systems, which is working out through the individual atoms which we call forms.”Thus, the very existence of our solar system is testimony to the influence of previous actions taken. Existence itself is a type of Karma.
psychotherapy is useful if you have genuine rapport with the therapist. it's useful in the sense of getting a genuine, third-party perspective to your own personal or interpersonal dilemmas. men seem to have been better councillors, but that's probably because my last one was a ginger girl only afew years older than myself and i would hit on her
>>542053829Becoming a therapist is the fastest way to find goth baddies
>>542055594Bored
>>542054420The older gentleman called me a misogynist all I said was I'm sad about being an unlovable foreveralone autistic dude, just burn the whole profession
>>542056153I don't want to attend therapy, my wife has been telling me for years we need therapy to fix our marriage, I know it's a waste of time but want other opinions. Frankly, I don't feel like explaining to a stranger the intimate failures of our marriage, especially knowing it won't solve/fix anything. I don't mind getting advice from pol, and actually prefer it but jannies scrub it every time I seek advice.
>>542055859And how did this make you feel, britanon? Sad? Frustrated? Sexually frustrated? How's your relationship with your mother? Are you and her close?
>>542053829lightens the burden but does ultimately nothing if you have an inner monologue
>>542053829therapy (psychology) was only meant to train people to treat mental disorders, not deal with normal day to day problemsanyone who goes to a therapist/psychologist to improve their life is simply dumbing themselves down to that of a child
>>542056270I'm sorry that you feel that way, anon. Maybe in the next session, we can work on that. And maybe some stimulation exercises would benefit you.
>>542053829The only benefit is when you get a good therapist who eventually leads you to the belief that it's on you to do what you can to make life better.The rest of it is either leading you to that realization or wasting your time.After that, you must then come to the realization that you can fix everything but yourself.Only Jesus can do that, and you have to allow it or he still won't.
>>542054211>Medication is only useful if you're actively suicidal or psychoticGiven all the shit I have heard about drugs CAUSING suicidal feelings, it's hard to claim drugs can actively help as a general claim. Especially given Big Pharma's penchant for being evil fuck bags a lot of the time. Not just on pricing shit, but also making experimental crap and foisting it on the public like mad scientists through shill ads and shill doctors. It would be better to say some drugs are useful for very specific conditions to which they are properly matched AND you aren't allergic. Anything else causes harm. The Casey case shows how women are able to just get various random drugs handed out to them with no thoughts required. If you can shop for drugs, yeah that's not solving the problem.
>>542056298Anon said "who cared". Yours did not care, and it's clear he's been indoctrinated with the women to believe feminist propaganda.
>>542053829It's a system designed by jews to placate isolated upper middle class suburban housewives from the 50s. It's a substitute for community and honest interaction.
>>542056396That's the conclusion I have come to, as well.
>>542053829You can self administer therapy. The other party only serves to put you on a list.
>>542053829therapy is for weak minded people who need to be led through their intrusive thoughts. The big problem now is instead of a priest or shaman you are going to be talking to a college normie with little to no life experience or real knowledge, and/or a woman. also:>all therapy sessions are recorded>all therapists are obligated to report red flags
>>542056355Marriage therapy is a meme unless your wife genuinely wants to change. Otherwise it will always leads to divorce. I wouldn't bother.
>>542056298That's a shame bro you'd think the old dudes would have that old (real) knowledge of psychiatry and not the new tranny-coded antimale horseshit. Perhaps it is truly over
>>542056355Fire away, anon. This seems an opportune time to do so
>>542054420I'm listening.
>>542053829Only go to male therapist. This field is infested with femoids that didn't know what else to study and don't take it seriously.And only go if you feel you need help, and are going to see through the entire process. Else you are just wasting your time.
>>542056651>priest or shamanStill they forget the druids were purged.
>>542053829I could see it being helpful if you're having trouble accepting something that you can't change, like a death. But if your life is shit, you'd be better off fixing your shit life than sitting around talking about it.
>>542054560Most of psychology now is also generally creating social contagions. A good read is "Crazy Like Us" Most psychologists concerned with the rise of diagnosis in the world by getting on loud speakers and speaking authoratatively like these things will occur if certain conditions in the world are met (and those eventually happen, a natural disaster, a war, etc.) creates more of these symptoms in the populace than they usually solve. There are good therapies and therapists, but most every time that it actually works is when someone comes in deeply ashamed or guilt ridden about something which is totally normal and/or very human and they just need to confirm that they're not worse than anyone else with someone who is looking from the outside in at them. But the process of admitting that shame/guilt can take forever and you need to trust that the therapist really understands the thing that you are guilty/ashamed of before their acceptance feels authentic, and because therapists can be judgemental, sancitmonious, pricks themselves they could be forcing their own acceptance of you or just not giving it authentically making the process moot. But the right guy that knows what they're doing can genuinely bring your brain back from the brink of "I'm the biggest pile of shit on the planet" to "oh, okay, I'm just human like everyone else." Half of therapy is being convinced that you're only as crazy as everyone else.
>>542056355You don't need advice, you need training on how to care for your wife. You probably are assuming she's some sort of equal as a man, and that is flat out wrong, which basically is like treating a dog like a man. You can't do that, you need to treat a dog like a dog, and a women like a woman. Treating a dog like a dog gets you a faithful loving companion, but letting it run shit results in a destroyed home. Same shit with your wife, you need to be the man of the house and you are probably letting her runabout unchecked ruining shit, ignoring all her obvious emotional cues and whatnot, and she's freaking out about it. Therapy DEFINITELY won't work, they don't teach males how to handle women there after all.
>>542053829It can only help people intelligent enough to engage in metathinking. A proper therapist is an impartial mirror into your own mind that you might be too wound up or traumatized to see without assistance. It helps some people.If youre not capable of metathinking, therapy is best a waste of time, at worst someone manipulating you.
>>542054129Don't be gay, Aquafresh.We know our country is fucked. We don't need outside opinions.
Therapy is subjective in nature. Some people go to five sessions and it helps them, some others go for ten years and nothing good comes out of it. It depends on the person and the therapist, which is also a subjective match. There is not an objective measure to say one therapist is better than the other. In the end, its probability. It helped some people, it didnt help others. Its not black or white. To say therapy is useless its as illogical as saying it is good for everyone in every situation.
>>542053829You are paying someone to psyop you. It is not only retarded, it is damaging.
>>542056399Are you saying 30mg Adderall ER 3 times a day is on the table? Well, I suppose we can try that and see how it goes
>>542056055Oh no don't let a woman go to therapy if she's in a relationship without making it couple's therapy. It almost never works. There's actually good statistics on that, I don't remember the study but something like 80% of relationships where the woman is the only one in therapy the couple will break up, if both partners are in individual therapy it also has a higher likelihood of ending, but couple's therapy can and does help if your therapist is competent. Your wife/gfs therapist will be like her one toxic forever single girlfriend on steroids who's answer to everything is agreeing with them that its the man in their life that's the problem.
>>542056775druids count as shamans unless you want to call them priests which might be more accurate if you're one of those people who thinks that they had a druid vatican on angelsey.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy works. Talk Therapy doesn’t.
>>542054068https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ifUbfLbc8
>>542053829Psychologist here; if the therapist is conservative based and male like me ill actually work towards fixing your problems with a clear goal and direction.If however your psychologist is a liberal woman all you will get is a circulation of feelings and enabling and intellectualizing sin.
>>542056686>>542056715Long story short, I never should have married her. I was never attracted to her, never loved her, hard to say I truly care about her anymore either. I only married her because I determined she would be a good mother for my children, which when we got married we agreed to have many. I ignored the red flags, foolish I know.In the last two years, she's stopped having sex with me altogether. We're both nearing 30 and only have a daughter. Had two, but our youngest died. I did everything I could to help her through that (ended up with us in financial trouble, I'm struggling to make every penny count - work is hard to find right now, especially in my field).She's broken every layer of trust I've given to her, and she flips on a dime. I spend ten hours explaining to her why x is not y, she grasps it, in an hour x is y. I can't put up with it anymore, and the worst part is there is little chance of having children in the future - especially healthy children. Every time we discuss it, the goal posts move - it's "not while we're living in this house, I don't feel loved, I don't feel like it right now" or brings up the trauma of our lost child.In the end, if I were to leave her, there's no guarantee I would find someone else who could be a good mother who is not corrupted by the world (mainly, is a virgin) and I still have a child with her whom I must take care of. All the same, I cannot put up with her any longer, and she's not been a good mother in the end.
>>542056999biblical get>>542057062describe what you think cbt is for the class plox
>>542057172sorry that happened to you anon. Keep telling your story, so these simps can know. I too got married but not legally and was lucky to get out clean without crotch goblins. They always take something though.
>>542057172That's quite the conundrum and I'm sorry for your loss. If you didn't have a daughter the answer would be obvious, but she changes things. What's home life like, do you argue a lot, does it affect her, etc? If it does, it might be better to separate rather than stay together thinking it's best for your daughter. As someone that grew up in an unhappy household it leaves a mark on you. I remember wishing my parents would just break up so I didn't have to live in that environment anymore
>>542054815kek, you guys really never give up. It's almost admirable.
>>542057436>>542057492I know there's no fixing the root issues, especially not before she's too old to carry any more children.Indeed, had it not been for my living child, I'd had left her by now. I do my best to prevent any arguing in front of our child, she's a toddler now, but she sees everything, and if she has my memory she'll remember everything. I remember almost every moment of my life from about 1 month of age. No one believes me, but I remember every detail, including all the dreams I've ever had. It's especially for this reason I do not want her to live through this, but I know what being raised by a single mother does to a girl.I'm away from home every day for work, sometimes for weeks or months on long jobs. I work in protection and high-risk security, which used to pay well and work was abundant. Market's dried up, and McD's pays better for the high-risk stuff, so money's been an issue in and of itself.That said, I wouldn't be home if I did get custody as I kind of have to take any job I can get that pays my minimum. I have a feeling if I left my wife, she'd kill herself and likely our child, too, but there's no one else to take care of her. I can't be a single father as I have to work to support us - hard to do in my industry... can't exactly "bring your child to work" here. I broke up with my wife three times before but returned out of concern for her wellbeing. Again, shouldn't have ignored the red flags. At the time I was willing to settle, and she checked off most boxes, and was genuinely interested in me at the time. Big mistake.I could tell you exactly what went wrong where and when every layer of my trust and commitment was peeled away, but no time here.
>>542053919You're not part of the world, shitjeet singh, you're not even part of the human race
>>542057927There's something big you're leaving out.
>>542057492Bottom line, I feel like I can't leave for the sake of my child, but my only remaining hurdle is: if I leave her, what will happen to my child? To a lesser extent, I wish to carry on a bloodline which I have started with her which requires a son: it does not exactly have to be with "her" but I do not believe I can bring myself to dishonor my name with another woman. But alas, there are no others to carry on, and I cannot see myself having any more children with her. If my lineage should end here, it was by my poor judgement, and I will accept it if it I must, as much as it pains me. Ultimately, I did this - I just need a solution lest this be how it ends.
>>542054068There has never been an uncommunicable thought or emotion; only poor communicators.
>>542058040What would that be?
Therapy was alright for me. I need to bounce ideas off of someone and just have an outlet. Saying what’s on your mind and having a non biased third party is pretty helpful when you tend to judge yourself harshly.
>>542057436I did not want to legally marry, not to prevent divorce-rape (at the time, I didn't consider divorce to be an option if we'd married) more so I believe the state does not hold authority over God, but she pushed it. We had a private marriage under God, and a private marriage by a pastor who could sign the legal paperwork.
>>542058094If your wife's mentally unstable then yeah, you're rolling the dice by separating. It seems like you'll probably have to grin and bear it for your daughter's sake, while exhausting your options to fix things. Then when your daughter flies the nest, try to find a younger woman to give you a son if that's what you still want
>>542053829Shit doesn't work.Most of your Zoomer mutts go to therapy and they're the most fucked up gen.But easy money for therapist
>>542053829I had court ordered therapy for 3.5 years with a fat gray haired dyke, and the only thing speaking with her did was increase my resolve to both continue and step up my antisocial activities
>>542057172What you need isn't a therapist, but for a professional to dispose of your wife and get access to the money from her life insurance. Which sounds way too silly and it'd still hurt your daughter anyway. Sorry you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, anon.
>>542058711Did she realize her sessions were having an adverse effect and did that bring about any change in her?
>>542058711What did you do, anon?
>>542054068Pedo
>>542058543Regarding her how we met, and how we are now, she doesn't bathe, doesn't clean, doesn't take any care for herself and does not know how to bathe our child, cook for our child, and shows zero self-preservation nor a desire to protect our child. She is emotionally driven and can't see any logic or reason. She cannot be reasoned with, and it's been hell on me, and I know it's creating a mixed emotional bag for our child. It is everything I wanted to avoid for my children.I can't see myself staying in her life anymore, but I can't give up on my child nor allow her to grow up in this world in an unstable household. I chose a bad woman to be a mother and in retrospect every red flag was raised, I looked past them in favor of the flags being retired.>>542059010I agree, therapy won't change anything. She doesn't have life insurance, but I still wouldn't do that.
>>542058094>>542058342just disappear, move at least 3 states away and start over from the street. The cops might call to ask if you're okay but other than that it's legal if your woman has a job. If not then go on the run, keep your head down for 2 years. It's not a murder, as long as you dont do anything stupid you'll be fine. known many guys who did this and are even still in the kid's life later on. get away from her or you will end up losing it. Her and your daughter are women, they will be taken care of. Trust me, its better to be absent than abusive, and if you've ever raised your voice, they will say you're abusive.
>>542057172im glad im not in your shoes but i see how easy it is to wind up in that position and for that you have my pity, selfinflicted or not. Just focus on your daughter. if anything i learned from my uncle is that women are clinically insane and that children should always be the main focus of a man. Sex you can get elsewhere, not like its worth it anyway but its always an option
>>542053829For the most part it kind of sucks. I don't have a strong opinion on therapy, but for the average person i recommend against it. There's nothing special in paying someone to listen to you. Maybe have a 2 hour session with a therapist once a year. The outside perspective may help a little. Study the philosophical assumptions therapists have too. They're important.
>>542054068/x/ is waiting for you
>>542053829>dim light>confess your sins>privacy>only yourself can stop it>absolves guilt>is forced to report crimesit is secularized confession
>>542058543Is it worth building an empire if its going to crumble on the whim of a woman? If I stay and continue on the path of resolve, she may leave me and everything I've built will be revoked. If I leave now, the only thing I lose is my surviving child, which I may lose either way.One of my mentors told me every morning: brick by brick, you build your empire around you. Little do you know, in the end you were building your prison. He was a man of perception.
>>542053829The fact is women in modern reality have no real friends. They are so fucked up in their heads it costs them money and a certified worker's mental fortitude to share their incredibly damaging thoughts with someone.
>>542059450>Is it worth building an empire if its going to crumble on the whim of a woman?yes
>>542053829Charlatan BS
>>542058096If you knew any language besides English you'd know that sometimes it really is impossible to fully communicate an idea.
>>542059226She does not have a job, and that is another concern of mine if I leave - aside from the court ordered amount (which I've calculated and could pay in a lumpsum, alimony and child support in one fell swoop) she'd quickly run out of money and couldn't support herself in a couple year's time. The concern, again, being who would take care of my child as she looks for work. She has no marketable skills or education.I could disappear, change my identity, start over and make back what's lost in a couple years. That window is closing, though. I consider a last resort, however.
>>542056355If you’re still here ITT anon feel to ask away. Seriousl, no judgement or derision to worry about from me. I’ll stick around untilthread archives for tou just incaset. divorced father of 2 (my 13 yrarriage was at last legally finalized/ended by court decree less than 1 month ago (aug 6th). Did couples counseling and the works so ive seen/done it all
>>542053829It's a pseudoscience run by charlatans. The 21st-century version of fortune tellers.
>>542059578Other languages being bad at describing emotional and abstract concepts with limited applications in humor and metaphor doesn't mean it's impossible. It means speak fucking English you ape.By your own argument other languages are shitty enough that they make known assumptions unknowable.
>>542053829>paying someone a lot of money to listen to you talkimagine being a man unironically doing this
>>542053829i've never received any good advice in therapy. most therapists are women and can't possibly relate to your struggles as a man. it's a useless thing and it costs tons of money to boot.
Some twenty years ago, the only benefit I ever got from therapy was it gave me a routine - I knew I had to wake up at a certain time, travel across the city and be somewhere. During that time, I'd walk, eat something and get some fresh air. And that night is sleep well.The actual therapy itself was puff - I was speaking to a woman who perhaps had no more understanding of life than I did.
>>542054420>I think it would be cool if the therapist was an extremely educated and experienced older gentleman who takes his job seriously and cares about people>it's just all women now so it has become an awful nightmareI'm in my mid 20s now and I'm actually thinking about going back to college to get a degree in that field... one reason being because I don't think there's enough representation from men working in the field of therapy, and another reason because I'm autistic and I believe my own life experience will help me better understand clients who aren't considered "normal" by the standards of our society.But that's not to say that I don't have my doubts. Part of me worries that I'm not cut out for that field and that I'll end up being part of the 80-something % of autistic adults who have trouble finding long term employment, but I don't think there's anything wrong with at least trying to do something with my life.
>>542053829Therapy is only good when you don't have to pay for it. Take time to talk with yourself and God and make peace with the problems that are solvable in this world like death, evil, and unexpected calamities. If you have a trusted friend or someone you can trust to have a heart to heart, then talk to them about your worries and help ease the weight on your shoulders. Once you pay money, they will not try to solve your problems and give you vague platitudes while pressing pills onto you, so you keep coming back to pay for their pills and nonsense. They will not help you solve the difficult problems you struggle with. You can also try to use AI to help sort out your thoughts if you're feeling stuck in a complicated situation.
>>542053829It’s useless at best and actively harmful at worst. If you ever dated, or were related to a therapist you would never, ever consider trusting these people with anything
>>542059867See? Imagine taking advice from this guy
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>>542059560I suppose you're right.>>542059694I'm here; thank you, anon. I believe couples counseling will take a long time and nothing will change in the end, plus the time and money it will cost to just be lectured about how I'm the problem every time. I will not embarrass my wife in front of someone with all of her shortcomings, and if I did she may change briefly but would go back to her baseline. If I leave now, maybe there's a chance I can find someone else, though I do not believe I will try. All said, again, I want to give everything I've built to a son one day who can carry on. In my eyes, it seems I've seen how it ends and there's no way out of it. Hence, I will accept my failure if I must. How did the counseling go overall?
>>542059852I also did group therapy. One of the young woman gradually managed to sleep with every man that attended. She propositioned me by asking for help painting her house>I'm sure I could find a way to make it worth your while I declined her offer, and she was eventually kicked from the group. The first session without her, the two therapists leading the group spent the entire time slagging her off. It all felt quite counterproductive lololol
>>542059694Did the meetings ever materialize in anything substantial? From the perspective of divorce in the US, and your ex, how are your children doing all things considered? I never thought divorce would be something I'd seriously consider as long as I'd lived until the last year and a half.
>>542057954Basedo.
>>542055220>>542054560Yeah. It's so kikes can get a read on you and add it to your dossier then sell it to other more powerful kikes to read your dossier . Nowadays they can just have somebody listen in on someone's cell phone and do a writeup
>>542054068you're just not well-read nor creative enough.metaphor is your friend.
I don't think therapy would work for me because I'd be smarter than the psychologist. Most people benefit from insights a psych can identify by listening to you describe your patterns. But I already know all mine. There's nothing I really think a psych can do for me because I already know what they're gonna say.
>>542053829Therapy is a jewish ploy for friendless losers and women to trick them into thinking anyone cares about them (for profit of course). Also to root out anyone capable of independent thought and institutionalize them to milk insurance money or to silence people who know to much.Nearly every mass shooter was one of these ghoul's golems.
>>542059952100% agree.
I always found it strange that Tony Soprano would see a therapist.
>>542055365This guy gets it, PZ is a therapy for men.Never play with women.
It's like talking to your priest if your priest was a satanic jewish woman that charged you $200/hr and tried to put you on addictive drugs.
Therapy has been pretty fucking useless for me. Everything the lady I see suggests is something I easily could've come up with for free.However, I still go. What I do is I bitch abouty wife and all the womanbrained things she does in the hopes that my therapist has those same behaviors and sees it as an indictment of herself. In a way, I'm manipulating her mindset instead of the other way around. It's mildly amusing, and my sessions cost next to nothing on my insurance plan.
>>542060552>I find it strange my jewish show is pushing therapyIs it though?
>>542056794Then what's the next step? I certainly try to reason with her as I would a man.
>>542053829I don't think it is usefulI think it is full of people who become therapists so that they can try to solve their issues without talking to others about them and people who will make sure you never get better so that they can milk your wallet. I think you can ignore your own thoughts and feel out your emotions till they wear themselves out. You basically just have to be more forgiving and let it all go even if you think your emotions are justified it doesn't matter, still let them go. It doesn't really matter if you got hurt, it is the present now and clinging to your suffering is hurting you
>>542053919fpbp
>>542053829Pseudoscience quackery from pharmaceutical pimps.
>>542054006this
>>542055217If you want that kinda answer you just ask it internally then let it go entirely. You have to be at peace with never getting an answer, you won't hear a voice or anything but you will just suddenly understand the issue. The better you get at just letting it go the faster it works but letting go of the need to understand etc is paramount.
>>542060140moved to my desktop pc so i can type erasier/faster so dunno if my id will be differenti'm read up on your other post now and assuming you're me an honest no-shit assessment and not omitting/embellishing something significant here's what i think:your marriage, and from it sounds like it, your entire relationship with this woman in general, is already all but over - as in "existing in state well beyond any sort of realistic or possible repair". now with said, based on what u described i can still think of a few good for reasons for you to at pursue some limited couple's therapy with her or at least give it some serious consideration. for starters:1 of ?
>>542061106I'm not omitting or embellishing anything. I do believe there is nothing left to salvage this relationship, as you allude, my problem at this point is my child. Should I stay for her sake, or leave for her sake?
>>542059674your daughter will be who she will be. its the modern world, anything you might do is sort of a 50/50. Shes a woman so she will have life on easy mode and if shes pretty she will want for nothing. a son you would have to get custody of to protect from your wife but having a daughter makes it easier. just make a run for it before it's too late and she senses you are unhappy and thinking about it. she might make a move before you do. I feel like a piece of shit for telling a man to leave his family but this strategy is proven to work, because 8/10 times the woman will spiral into absolute insanity and remove themselves from the picture. then you can pick up the pieces and rebuild.
i've been in therapy for all of my adult lifeits very hard to deal with becoming an adult from a school kid and therapy helped a lot
>>542061540I know she's noticed the change maybe four months back. There are exit plans in place, I made the mistake of texting a trusted friend about our woes one night, she suspected me of cheating and searched my phone that night and read our conversation from that evening as I'd slept. She hasn't changed anything to make an effort to fix our situation, only doubled down on what makes it unbearable for me. I struggle to leave knowing I'll be breaking my daughter by doing so, the unknown is how much damage that will inflict compared to the damage of staying with her mother. I can leave, change everything, and start over from zero. It would suck for lack of better terms, but it can be done.Part of what we discussed was just that, so she's privy to my plan to leave, our relationship being connected solely by our daughter at this point, and the fact that she's not made a move either direction is honestly concerning.
>>542054560therapy doesn't have the religious moralfag part
>>542053829I've never gone to therapy, but I don't see how anyone could have an issue with the concept of therapy. No doubt there are bad therapists that give therapy a bad name, but there are bad practitioners in all professions. I'd bet money that most of this thread that hate it are guilty of "place, Japan", e.g:>talking about your problems and receiving advice (therapist): :(>talking about your problems and receiving advice (priest): :)Not all people have close friends they can vent to or confide in, and even among those that do there's no guarantee that said friends have the experience to give them good advice. If a trained professional can become good at spotting the root cause of and assisting in correcting mental struggles then why shouldn't we have people like that?
>>542062066That's why it's flawed. Any reasoned feelings of guilt is shrugged off when that doesn't work.
>>542062180also in the 21st century, priests are no longer the insanely educated philospher-scholars they used to belike i no longer respect priests, catholicism is way too corrupt nowadays, maybe its better with other religions
>>542062257the problem is that religious people feel guilty for shit like one night stands, which is totally nonsensical feel guilty about something evil you do, not this bullshit
>>542060140>>5420611062 of ?Now before i give my reasons, here are base qualifiers under which, imo, you should be evaluating whether or not any specific therapist should even be seriously considered as suitable choice, no exceptions (if it can be helped by whats available out there to you). these are the conditions under which i i pciked mine, and even though my marriage couldnt be salvaged, and stand by my criteria 100% for reasons that i'll gladly explain in a miunute:>YOU ultimately are make the final decision on the therapist and get automatic veto powert anyone your wife suggest/insist on. this is why its better to take the lead inseeking out a professional for the two of you as already makes it easier for you to enforce this rule and preemptively weed out obviously bad or potentially troublesome one before your wife even gets a chance to be made aware of them>the therapist MUST be a male>he should SPECIFICALLY specialize or do the majority of his day to day work specifically in marriage and family counseling (important)>he should, ideally or at le3ast a close as possible, be relatively close to your own age within a few years or at least within a your generation (if you are another millenial your age or bit older, if not then a GenXer is prob next best, avoid a boomer if u can)>the therapist should already be in a successful (or at least stable) marriage of his own with children of his own as well - the more years has under his belt the better>big important: if you can swing it, the therapist you seek out first & seriously consider should be somebody that is personally and/or professionally recommended/referred to you by somebody you absolutely know and trust - if you have a (male) primary care physician or doctor you 100% know and trust their discernment then asking then directly for someone they know and personally recommend within the clinical sphere is IMO the best place to start.cont..
>>542061106Also, I wanted to ask, how did sex affect your marriage/divorce? Did you seek sexual gratification outside of your marriage (that is, if it were a problem)?
>>542062427What's not evil about a one night stand? Who even said anything about fucking around? See your mentality isn't suited to process guilt. It comes out all sideways and fucked up.
>>542053829It might help some people in some circumstances but there are a lot of bad therapists who will just tell people what they want to hear and not what they need to hear. Also 90% of life's problems can't be talked out.
You're giving your secrets to the jews, worse than a priest.
>>542062018I doubt you would know if she was planning something. The longer you wait the longer she has to gather evidence for whatever story she is going to make up
>>542057172>our youngest diedthats big anonas the other chud said, marriage counceling wont help you unless you both want and try for ityou should start looking around. dont break up with her so you have a plan b but you never know, you might find someone you fit more withmay ask what happened with your child?
>>542057172The vigrin thing is delusional
>>542062539what the fuck are you talking about christkike? because i dont want to marry some foid on my early 20s and still like girls i am evil?
>>542062704it's way past that point obviously.
>>542062779Am I a christkike if I believe your entire family should be publicly dismembered for you even looking at a white woman?
>>542062704She died naturally from a brain and spine malfunction essentially. My wife holds me in contempt for not being more upset about her passing, she was an infant. These things happen, I know she, as her mother, had a much deeper connection with her than I could have. We've discussed it at great length, and she's tried all sorts of therapy and grief counseling surrounding it, but she again holds me in contempt for not showing more emotion for her death. In truth, any emotion I may have felt was entirely anger around the healthcare system and government with the rights surrounding her body, then trying to console my wife at the time which had me out of work for too long.
>>542062990Stop entertaining that nigger criminal you stupid kike.
Broken people get into it to try and understand why theyre broken. Its why every male PSW, shrink or social worker is a flamming faggot who is trying to understand that horiffic day they got raped and every female in the field is a relentless whore. Venting your problems to a stranger is a female method of problem solving and your shrink will try to gt you hooked on drugs and troonin till youre loonin.
>>542054223You get better results confessing your sins to a Catholic priest than you do telling a faggot your secrets.
>>542053829Being depressed and cynical is a normal reaction to this piece of shit garbage world we've made. You don't need therapy
>>542062990I should clarify, we wanted to have her body immediately that we may bury her near our home. That became a massive battle over who "owned" her body, burial laws, lawyers wouldn't touch it and we were limited in time, we ended up having to make concessions to have her remains which we were eventually allowed to take back "possession". I've never been more angry in my life.
>>542062990women don't understand logical reactions vs emotional. for men it gets trained out in the teen years mostly just by circumstance, with them it's encouraged. No matter how you reacted it would've been wrong to her. If you were a mopey mess and started drinking/quit your job then she would've called you a pussy.
>>542063225I understand that, but I can't help her understand that. For a time I thought all the counseling would help her realize that but here we are.
>>542062779I despise christcucks myself, but you not seeing that you are destroying the beauty of virginity (which is just a manifestation of the aesthetic of purity in this world) is definitely bad.
>>542062990emotions are how we feel anon and we cant have control over themyour wife probably wanted you to be more performative, but with big shit like that they are always difficult due to their nature, regardless of how calm you might look>>542063211kill all lawyers>>542063020shut the fuck up tranny
>>542062495>.....cont this what happened with me (my regular primary doc, who i had opened up to before my marriage troubles and is legit one of maybe less than 5 actual people on this earth i actually trust, gave me his contact info and i would have prob ne4ver found him otherwise. he wound up being the only therapits i actually vetted/interviewed/considered and it wound up being the correct choice in hindsight but tbf i could have just gotten fantastically lucky>if you dont have someone ion the medical field you trust, then another trusted male figure in your life is (prefably one whohas gone thru the same thing) probably your next bet, but you'll have to get more willing to ask decidely more umfortable questions in doing so (what was thier experience with X?, did the counseling end up helping/fix the problem/relationship? if not did he get anything else useful out of it, etc? you'll have to exercise moire judiciiousness when evaluating whatever anyone tells you good or bad>it should be insisted and agreed upon to start until it makes otherwise to attend the same guy but separateluy, that you and your wife attend all sessions jointly/together (even better if you two can drive to the sessions together rather than meeting separately).....cont
>>542056355Just fucking divorce her. Your relationship clearly disintegrated and you don't jive well together anymore. People always fall out, it's normal.
>>542063354>we can't control what emotions make us do>kill all lawyersEven that faggot who got your homegirl off?
>>542063354>kill all lawyersAgreed.>>542063354I wasn't myself, emotionally, I was certainly not without emotion but I didn't show it. Some nights arguing on the phone with the hospital I'd be shaking with anger and I'm certain the death of my child had a major part to play in that, but I wouldn't say I was performative.
>>542053829It's stupid. Therapy is just paying someone to pretend to be a trusted friend. It wasn't that long ago (before social media) that people just had friends to talk to
>>542063459Which circles back to my real concern, how will leaving my wife affect my daughter? Is there any reason to stay with my wife for the sake of my child?
>>542063472you jews are glorified car salesmenno one respects you and no women would ever date you
>>542053829It helps, some people expect it's like a magic solution but it only helps to figure out stuff, the real changes must be made by the individual.
>>542063298you already know what to do. be aware of your laws and make sure she cant do anything to you and get out before she can. They always try to get the cops involved. ALWAYS. most importantly stop getting into arguments with her and never be drunk or raise your voice. There IS no fixing it. There is no reasoning. she is the enemy, and you are in a vulnerable position where you can get hit but you cant hit back (literally and figuratively) if you live with her. Trust me I've seen this go down multiple times. If you stay any longer you will end up in a cell and homeless afterwards.
>>542063566Just admit to yourself you're full of shit and stop talking.
>>542063382cont>>make it clear to the therapist from the outset/first session, albeit VERY politely and soberly, that you are walking into this/office inherently skeptical and distrustful of the marriage counseling process (you can even cite the spectacularly high failure rate % of couples counseling and the resulting well earned public perception of the field as meme field of m,edicine/therapy), BUT that you are still willing to give it a full good faith effort/chance despite your reservations because if there's even a slight possibility that it could help repair your marriage/relationship then you are willing to do your part as one half of the parternership and show up willing to try. Make it very clear that that he still will have to earn your trust and that might not happen until several sessions in (my guy had to win me over and it didnt happen right away)>lastly, if at any point you get bad feeling that he's slinging you some bullshit, enabling either of you, not calling balls and strikes fairly/objectively, defaulting to working off the premise that you're the primary causing factor for the sessions regardless of what is disclosed in the early stages, not taking your concerns as seriously as hers (or at all) - big one), and or generally just giving an overall unsatisfactory or unhelpful vibe.......then dont hesitate to cut bait and try again with someone elsesorry for the wall of reeee. now for the actual reasons you, indivudally may still benefit from seeing someone for at little while evwen though i believe it will not fix your situation:
>>542063553i mean it would there is no getting around that, but also it might be better in the long run, if you are in a loveless marriage and you hate yourself that wont be good for the child either>>542063790i will admit that right after i admit that you are a real woman, tranny
>>542063827No, I appreciate it. Just hope we're not approaching bump limit.
>>542063878>if you are in a loveless marriage and you hate yourself that wont be good for the child eitherThat's the conclusion I keep coming to. It is what it is... Thank you for everything, anon.
>>542053829The most useful shit I got out of therapy was pushing myself to strength build. Otherwise it’s just a flow chart
>>542053829I've been in therapy for 2.5 years and i enjoyed it so far.It's not really that my therapist is saying something helpful, it's more that i can just say things i couldn't tell anyone else.
>>542053829not science and it's trying to trick you basically. and it's biased for increased overall productivity, it's cattle therapy, it's corrupted that way. once you see it you cannot trust it anymore, ever. shit's done
>>542053829Never go to therapy anons, the people shilling this shit are often "therapists" themselves, which are grifters. These parasites need to get a real job, starve them out.IGNORE THERAPY POSTERS AS THEY ARE MOSTLY THERAPISTS SHILLING THEIR GRIFT
>>542063878>>542063968How long did it take you guys to write that play?
>>542064531how long did it take for you to figure out that the reason you wear dresses is that you were molested by some brave patriot?
>>542053829It’s useful for retards that can’t introspect themselves so the shrink does it for them. That’s about it.
>>542053829I had a therapist help me at 18 to detangle depression and egoloss from growing up with a militant alcoholic and ocd narcissist. I saw a woman and basically just wanted to date her lol and she basically just listened and told me none of it was my fault. Which wasn't true or useful.I saw another between 24 and 26 when I started smoking weed/tried shrooms and couldn't hold down a job. I was genuinely bipolar in reaction and emotional control, but I always browsed /pol/ for 6 to 10 hours a day and didnt leave the house. Second therapist was a guy few years older than me. He helped me get back on the path of light and righteousness, and I knkw that the Internal Family Systems Work we did was real and helped reprogram my thinking. But it is so so easy to pay $45-$200 a session for a fag or woman to masturbate you and solve ZERO problems. I was poor and broke, angry and despot, and left behind and he helped me see which parts WERE my fault and which parts I was allowed to accept and realize "hey I didnt ask for this or put myself here, but I do have the power to take steps to get out" that goes for you too Anon.>tl;drget a male, treat yourself with radical honesty. You get in return equal to what you put in. Aim for actionable change.
>>542056428>The Casey case shows how women are able to just get various random drugs handed out to them with no thoughts required. Anyone can do it really. In my experience the process goes>Get referred to psychiatrist by talk therapist>Spend less than an hour in an appointment with psychiatrist describing your symptom(s)>They give you a script for a drug with a laundry list of side effect>You can get a combination of any or all of them, including worsening of the exact symptoms you're trying to treat>Psychiatrist checks in with you once a month or so>If you experience any of the side effects to an intolerable degree you need to slowly ween off the drug as withdrawals can cause even WORSE issues than your original illness or the side effects>Then the psychiatrist picks a new drug and the cycle begins again
>>542062503to condense what could easily be another screed long enough to warrant its own, i'll just say this: our sex life as couple and its subsequent long and gradual deterioration into being non-existent ultimately wound up playing a factor into the end totality of things, but it actually wasn't the driving/originating cause, it was actually a resulting symptom of much larger, earlier, and more disturbing behavioral trends escalating into actual various forms legit spousal abuse) from my wife towards me which overall caused unfixable trauae and distrust which is what eventually broke the mrraige beyond real repair. the deteriorating sex situation certainly accelerated and exacerbated the other more fundamental marital issues between us and made progress on addressing them, even marginally, praactically impossible>and since i know youre wondering....Yes sex was a problem>no it was not caused by her withholding or restricting intimacy and me expressing frustration/seeking outside gratification as is usually assumed. >actually it was the inverse for me: I was considered" the problem" and my wife was the one expressing increasing frustration/anger over the lack of sex>it was actually me that over several years gradually withdrew inward, stopped initiating, refused out of principle in certain instances , etc (though i never outright refused her advances/initiation when she made them) as a subconcious reflex to said earlier trauma/abuse i was being regularly subjected>in spite of everything, i was ever faithful and kept (all) my marriage vows til the very last day. my wife was the one who actually cheated - a 2.5 year ongoing sexual affair with a work colleague that was still ongoing when i eventually filed for divorce, continued though the legal process and for all i know, is still probably ongoing though i truly dont care anymore (the only one she eventually fully admitted to, i had plausible suspicion of others but never enough hard proof to act on it)
>>542053829It’s like going to church but more expensive. You feel better for the day
>>542053829I think it's gay, never done it, and I have a great life. You need to be stuck up with your feelings etc to actually need a shrink. I understand people bottle feelings and traumas up and maybe a professional you don't know works better than someone you know. Otherwise, you're just giving money to a (((person))) with a useless job.
>>542065423I'm sorry that happened, anon.
>>542063884>bump limitif it does then make another thread i'll stick around for yaor maybe we figure a way u can dm me anonymously or sumthing so we dont clog the board up with our individual trauma dumping
>>542064605Why do you have to be rude? Did you think you weren't going to have to defend a pro therapy stance here?
>>542053829nigga nobody needs therapy we need balls to get rid of the judeochristian pedophile elites. all our law enforcement agency are pedophile protectors. the fate of humanity is up to vigilantes
>>542065686All the same, I believe I have my concerns addressed, at least any concerns up to this point. My final question for you, how are you children handling the seperation?
>>542053829Only Jung was right, everything else is woke and gay
>>542065527Most of the magic of church is feeling like a real community, even for just a moment.
>>542053829The coffing vaxx should be an awakening for many normies that "experts" cant be trusted
>>542053829Only works if you trust the therapistAnd if you’re smart, you won’t
>>542056713Believe me when I say that the field of psychiatry has been at the forefront of the social ills we have today, especially with regards to the relationship between men and women. I knew a fairly prominent one ("greatest" gen) who spear headed the modern attitude towards women like clancy.
>>542053829>What does pol think of therapy?Therapist The rapistChecks out...
>>542053829I dont want to share too much detail here but I tried it and it didnt do much for me. Mostly my problem was solved with actual medicine.
>>542053829It's a waste of time. They'll just insouciantly validate you. But the issues that blight your life will remain. And the problem with that is in tolerance. Evil people will redouble their efforts to harm you if you show them kindness.
>>542053829We need a revolution and the wholesale erasure of this despicable and demonic society. We don't need therapy. It's of no use to teach an individual how to deal with evil. Evil is never static. It's always aggressive and on the lookout for any vector to harm you.
>>542054201Yes, it is a somewhat voyeuristic avocation.
>>542065662thanks fren This will sounds crazy but believe or not i dont even consider her cheating on me to even be the worst thing she ended up doing to me during our overall 15 years together (13 married). compared to all of the other various forms of cruelty she regularly indulged in inflicting on me infidelity might not even rank in the top 5.suspecting & not knowing 100% for sure and thus having to live with the dread because an accusation that harsh without proofs is its own marriage killer, was arguably a worse experience then the day she finally confessed and proceeded confirm my suspicions to full scope/graphic details (that i didnt want but she cvouldnt resist twisitng the kjnife in a little more)at that i was partially relieved if anything - she had finally broken the actual vows of the marriage covenant (yes i am very., thio privately) religious and interpreted vows very strictly and plainly) which finally allowed me the mental and emotional fortitude to file for divorce and get away from her with a truly clean conscience which was always important to me
>>542066209Correct, remember therapists make money off of your problems. They want you broken and dependent on them.
>>542066209>They'll just insouciantly validate you.kek. That very much depends. I guess you've never been to couple's therapy.
>>542066611They suck up to women and lambast men, no matter what. Just like modern churches
>>542065828far better than anyone could have expected. this was actually one of my biggest fears that prevented me from pulling the trigger on divorce for a long time (the other being her chimping out with lies during the custody negotiation and trying to have me falsely imprisoned - which she had tried to do before and but for the grace of God almost succeeded)my daughters are 5 and 8. they are handling remarkably well. the arrangement is 50/50 joint and legal custody no child support no alimony.as far as they know all thats changed for them is that they spen half the week at dad's house and half the week at mom's and know mommy and daddy dont yell and fight with each other anymore. it's basically become natural/second nature to them now and it works out about as well as can be (mine, hers, and my parent's houses all are located within 10 min driving distance of each other so logistics are easymy wife may have turned out to be an atrocious human being, but she is actually a pretty decent/reasonable co-parent to coordinate with (mostly)i will admit up front though that i was VERY blessed to have the kind financial and family resources backing that gave me the ability to credibly imply that if she fucked around during the divorce negotiatiung process i had all the resources in the world to make her suffer worse than whatever she wrongly assumed she could do to me - so that makes me an outlier and better situated than probably 97% of other men in our situationif you are worried about your daughter i would say that your concerns are both simultaneously overblown and completely warranted - it all depends on kind of woman your wife is and whether her stated mental problems/behavors, for her, take precedence over what kind of mother she wants to be going forward.it's a risk/leap of faith either wayand only you can know if the situation yiou're stepping into more likely to be better or worse than your current situationgodspeed anoni truly mean it
>>542067077State marriage was mistake
>>542053829Never go to the rapist
>>542053829As my family's resident NEET, I am their therapist.
>>542067449Wrong, you are closer to a holy-man/shaman.
>>542059189>Regarding her how we met, and how we are now, she doesn't bathe, doesn't clean, doesn't take any care for herself and does not know how to bathe our child, cook for our child, and shows zero self-preservation nor a desire to protect our child.sounds like prodromal stage schizophrenia anon. this means the lead up stage to a psychotic episode. you seem to be saying this behaviour is a new development?
>>542067213yesbut being able to afford better attorneys can significantly reduce how much said mistake eventually costs you
>>542067077Thank you for everything, friend. You have given me a lot to think about. Your advice will help me make the best decision for my family moving forward.
>>542053829The problem with therapy is that it doesn’t solve your problems, and unless you’re a retarded child/don’t really have a real problem to begin with, then it won’t change your outlook on things. Only thing a therapist told me that I found interesting is that «anger is frustration». It won’t help knowing it, but it makes the point even clearer. If you have problems that can be solved with money, then anything other than giving you money is not solving anything. Same with sex etc. Let’s say you have a hard time getting laid. That may result in you beeing frustrated and lashing out in every area of your life. How will talking about it help? Take Tony soprano for example. Years of therapy and he never really got anywhere. Only thing the therapist did that made a change (for good or worse) was giving him drugs. Therapy is a scam. At best, it can help with giving you the right drugs if you have serious mental problems. But talking about things? Not so much.
>>542053829Therapy can help if you get someone good. It can hurt if you get someone bad. Trust your gut
>>542067615at this point he go to a marriage even if only for a little bit if only to have a (hopefully unbiased) professional third party document her obvious physical and mental decline and get it in on the record as a concern should it become necessary/useful later on when he decides to separate and file for custody of his daughter
>>542053829They don’t call it the rapist for no reason
>>542067615In essence, yes. And since you mention it, there had been other signs of previous mental "snaps" when I was on long contracts or jobs. I'd come back and all of her belongings were gone, as she'd put it, "to feel something" as she presumed my leaving for a job was me not loving her. Should've called it quits then and there. It was always something she cared about or treasured or was useful in some way. Wouldn't even sell it, just straight up rid herself of it. The more I reflect on that, the more red flags I notice now I completely ignored for whatever reason.
I troll in real life by trauma dumbing on randos and normies at gas stations and fast food stops. Saving thousands of Goy paper stacks. Also trauma dumbing on a roastie tying to temp you from your GF repels consistently better than "thanks, but no thanks" or Fuck-off ho because they'll take that as a challenge. Tell her you're going to buy a Sony/Xbox/Nintendo to bing bing wahoo because P.C. master is being phased out financially so we don't use the new tools to make our own vidya or movies ect ect, fuck it: I need to play Breath of Wild before I kick the bucket >There's a part of me that laments the whole not having kids, even through having many chances and the right women.>Waggie maxing and chasing goy paper slowly ate all chances of keeping a relationship or having kids to take to an amusement/state park/Beach, or playing the bing bing wahoo See, a goy therapist would charge 1500$ for me to say that in person. Thanks, feel cheated? send the bill to HiroshiMoot nigga
>>542053829brain illness is physical, you can't talk it out
>>542053829I went to therapy, interesting thought experiments but changes nothing
It's good for casualfag foids and low iq retards, anyone else is capable of understanding their own thought patterns
>>542053829I love my therapist. She’s hot as fuck, I just talk about how much I love to furiously masturbate the world away and she gives me diazepam and adderall. Free ‘cause welfare state. All-time life hack. Seethe about it.
>>542068808Tell her you'd gain more if she helped you masturbate instead of giving you meds
>>542067781yeah, that's pretty much where i was going>>542068323i had a friend through high school and into my 20s, who gradually declined into schizophrenia. nobody figured this out until his 30s, when his sister went to visit him and he had the windows covered in foil.he basically just got lazier and lazier, and would only play computer games all day and night. his parents got him an apartment in the city and paid his tuition for college, but he never went to class, just sat there smoking cigarettes and playing MUD text based games. he stopped talking to me when i called, seemed really uninterested in hanging out or even talking to me at all in person. his hygiene was also awful, not showering for weeks and soaked in sweat. even his father, who was a social worker, didn't realize what was going on, he just thought his kid was fucking with him and taking advantage of him. so what can seem like stubborn and obnoxious behaviour might be driven by an underlying issue which is simply beyond her control. again, might be, i don't know enough.but it's worth looking into, leaving a small child alone with an unreliable caregiver is asking for trouble. maybe there are some resources where you live, like nonprofits that deal with mental health and do screenings etc. this would also explain the sex thing, a lack of sexual desire often goes along with schizophrenia or schizotypal, which is schizophrenia with significant mood disturbances.God bless you anon, this is a really hard dilemma, and I hope you find a solution.
