>Be Elon>Complain that chess has too many moves>Get ratio'd by chessdotcom>Cope that chess is too hard for humans, says robot chess will somehow be better>Gets ratio'd again>Continues coping, tries to belittle the person running the account by calling them in intern>Gets ratio'd again>Immediately respondsThis dude is so fucking pathetic it's actually unbelievable>https://goyimx.com/elonmusk/status/2095785168837472695>https://goyimx.com/chesscom/status/2095848872463495485#m>https://goyimx.com/chesscom/status/2095893407281320055#m
I have honestly no idea how someone who has billions available to him whenever he wants can piss his whole day away on retarded arguments on Twatter.The guy could do fucking anything he wants, and this is what he decides do to >Uhh, Anon, you're on /pol/Yeah, but I don't have any money.
>more possible chess games than observable atomsyeah and 99,9% of them will never happen, god i hate chessfags
>>542060788They sould make it illegal to bully Elon. Its like picking on a special needs child.
>>542060788>amerimutts are retarded subhumans>amerimutt display retarded subhuman behaviorwow
>>542061016HE'S A DARPA ACTOR DUMBASS
>>542061016He’s buying up Texas land to build his own Little St. James in south Texas but right now the state is having a problem with secret societies fighting over power and the children owned by secret societies are currently hands off.
>>542061016I have honestly no idea how someone how amerimutt dont lynch these scammers who have clearly no justifications for the wealth they made from clearly illicit schemes.They lynched brits for less
>>542060788damnmust suck to have friends that shitty
>>542061099This>>542061016>>542061122These are browns who don't understand the European agonistic spirit
I used to have a chess.com account ten years agoI feel pretty cool right about now
>>542061016You think if you had money, you wouldn't check /pol/ or X once in a while for news, and end up replying to someone's post? If you were the owner, no less?
>>542061016dude if i was a billionaire i would spend even more time shitposting here kek
>>542061404>once in a whilethis nigger tweets like 20 times a day
>>542060788his job as a kike slave is to be "white and conservative" and then look like a fool. this is how you brainwash people who don't have shame (like zoomers, women, browns). people with shame you just say "but everyone is gonna think you're a loser" and they'll do anything
>>542061404>>542061476Poorfags do be like that
>>542061332same reason you haven't. you're also hiding behind a meme flag so it's not like you don't get it
>>542060788Elon is smart asf He was on the big bang theory and made sheldon look like a f*cking idiot it was actually hilariousHis mom, Maye Musk, is a f*cking badass genius tooThey are cool and badass family
>>542060788chess is brown, its for people like asians. they never invented a new move, they only memorized them from instructions. that people AI can replace.
>>542061557True, but how is he looking like a fool here?
>>542060788>Elon is an idiot everybody hateswater is wet
>>542060788When searching for the next possible move, if two different games reach the same board state then the search space going forward is the same, despite the different path taken to get there, so talking just about total number of potential games is a bit misleading. This most certainly reduces the number of possible games that need to be evaluated, including duplicate work in case a game has repeated board states (although, I would think, this would be quite rare outside of endgames).
did grok weight in already?
>>542061670>He was on the big bang theoryIt's fucking true KEK, this nigga is even more pathetic than I've previously thought
>>542060788Musk is objectively correct in all points and your only argument against him is that he is unpopular (ratio).
>>5420610990.01% chess games out of all observable atoms is a bizarre high number, I do not think you understand the number we're talking here. 100% to 0.01% is just 4 orders of magnitude... lower than the number of all observable atoms in the universe. which is something like 10^80 or smth
>>542061793musk is wrong or playing semantics, the issue of the debate is the "not utterly stupid" biteverything else can be dismissed
>>542060788but he has so much money! serfs shouldn't be allowed to talk to an oligarch in such a manner. lower this man's social credit score
>>542060788>the last postcheckmate
>>542061934musk is playing semantics when the other side did a technically correct assessmentyou are correct but (then he should have emphasized what he meant)instead he denied the technical truth for his narrow scenario and flexible term of "not stupid moves"both are technical correct, musk is more practical
>>542061332Because amerimutts think they will be billionaires one day and have the power to fuck up other peoples lives. All of those people have no motion or aspirations so there is 0% chance of that happening. Also becoming a billionaire is really mostly about acting jewish which 4chan rightoids hate but then defend. Very confusing.
>>542061969i meant 99,999999999999+ just couldn't be bothered to type in more nines
>An e-argument on twitter over some shit nobody cares about.Wow, it's happening!!!!!
>>542060788>muh infinity chess gamesand almost all of them are nonsensical in every way and would never actually be played
>>542060788>Cope that chess is too hard for humans, says robot chess will somehow be betterRobots are already better than humans.
ai sides with the chess nerd
>>542062211musk had the argument won then but he added the total number of legal positions which is not 40oom
>>542060788Elon is mostly correct though.The pruned tree of sensible chess moves has a structure of regularities that's simple enough that a human brain can pretty much master seeing many moves ahead. All the talk of the number of moves being larger than the atoms in the universe is rubbish because we discard nearly all of them with simple rule heuristics.A better pattern recognition machine than the brain could scape the barrel.
>>542061016>someone who has billions available to himhe doesnt really. hes an elevated front man. he is completely managed
>>542061670.... you do realize tv isnt real life
>>542062278he was mostly correct until he added the 40oom thing, the bit he said that is falsifiable he got 100% wrongso it would be fair to only judge him on that one claim
>>542060788Elon is absolutely correct about the oom part. You don't solve chess by needing all histories, all you need is the states because histories collapse on the same states. The estimated amount of chess states ~10^44 is significantly lower than ~10^80 atoms in the observable universe. Plus, there is legitimate possibility of compressing this, although speculative.tl;dr chess intern and redditors btfo yet again.This is why he is a former trillionaire while you're all broke fucks playing with your nintendos
>>542062372If he meant sensible rather than legal he wouldn't have ended up arguing with a redditor
>>542062278>All the talk of the number of moves being larger than the atoms in the universe is rubbish because we discard nearly all of them with simple rule heuristics.from what I understand the reason the whole particle nr thing is used in computational analogies is meant to show that if you could somehow use a single atom for a computation, you'd need more than all that exist, to build a observable universe computer that would be able to start calculating them, using every atom as a compute unit. this is of-course insanity, as even a computer bit larger than our sun would just collapse into a blackhole from all the mass it has (it would be quite dense).
>>542060788I hope I'm not that embarrassing when a trillionaire
>>542061793Two games that reach the same board state will often have the players looking at the board differently, and they'll diverge again.
>>542060788Holy. A wagie btfo Elong. LMAO
>>542062426he said legal, he is 100% wronghe had to say legal to debunk the chess employee who state technically the truth
>>542062419he said legal moves, he is wrong
>>542062540>>542062611You don't seem to understand the topic being discussed at all. The chess.com intern retard implied you need 10^120 (shannon number) that represents the number of possible unique games in chess. You DO NOT need this. You just need the states, which has a far smaller space.Too bad plebbitor, you lose again!!! :^) :^) :^)This is why elon is a trillionaire and you are poor, at least he takes some time to get spoonfed kek
Chesscum is gay and jewy and Elon is a retard that makes stupid claims he never delivers on
>>542060788>>https://goyimx.com
>>542060788Am I reading this right? The chess.com retard actually said there's more chess games then atoms in the universe? That's some of the dumbest shit I've ever witnessed somebody type on the internet and I've read the comment sections on scat videos
Elon will support Hans Neimans crusade against chess.com
>>542060788To be fair, like jew nigger ball, chess is lame.
>>542061099They do when people play against me lol>t. 700 elo
>>542062797>The Shannon number estimates there are about 10^120 possible chess games
>>542061192>Elon is an actorFinally someone that figured it out. Can't believe there are so many NPCs here that take the Elon character seriously and believe anything about him is real. Absolute drooling retards
>>542062835Easily seduced by the right
>>542062797Wait until you hear about deck of playing card shuffles.
>>542062498Of course, they can simply make a random move, but when looking for the best possible move it will be the same no matter how they got there. There's no need to concern yourself with worse moves when there exists better ones, if they make a lesser move then you're even more winning than you were should they make the best one.
>>542062925?
>>542062935yeah but that implies random mix. we don't do that. if I had to guess there have been a lot of identical shuffles base on how we do it, as humans. theory says with perfect randomization there never were two identical shuffles. and won't be for a looooong ass time
>>542062697no, you seem to not understand that musk said every legal move and the moment he did he lost the argumentif he stayed with every sensible move he would have won the argument
>>542060788Wait wasn't this already solved without using AI? Can anyone give me a QRD on what this argument is even about? I thought that computers had long beaten grand masters of chess and that it was a solved issue. Is this just about using AI instead of whatever software it was that beat the grand masters?
>>542061016We have very little and do the same thing but on pol.
>>542061192I see elon listed under thiel but what is the paper supposed to be showing?
>>542063090ai can beat every human but there is as far as I know no "this set of moves always wins"that is what a solved game means
>>542061099ffsrightoids are not white
>>542061099The tree has to be pruned correctly to ignore those games if you want to solve Chess completely.
>>542060788>elon loses a game of chess>W-WELL ITS STUPID ANYWAY AND ROBOTS WILL SOLVE IT
>>542063153Ok so he wants to use AI to solve the game then? Interesting. Thank you
>>542063201this (assumed) leaf jeet is the smartest here, it is what happenedall motivated reasoning and it transcends the nerd fight
>>542063153can you prove there even is a winning set of moves? if you play adversarial (as in used for both sides) with the same hypothetical solved game solution, that it doesn't always end up in a draw? (or dead position whatever)
>>542060788But can an (((ai))) ever learn how to play for fun and not to win? I doubt it, therefore (((ai))) will always be inferior because it will always try to win.
>>542063086He said legal positions which is the amount of possible chess states.Amount of moves that are "not utterly stupid" is an additional claim on top of that.Chess intern retard thinks you need ~10^120 of all unique games chess possibly can have.But all you need is ~10^44 of possible states because game histories don't matter.This is many oom lower than the amount of atoms in the observable universe ~10^80.tl;dr chess intern BTFO, redditors BTFO, you BTFOThis level of BTFO that Elon just put out on you almost makes up for him cheating in path of exile in a desperate attempt to gain gaming status.
>>542063408>for funwhat, for dopamine reward or? you can add that function if you really want to, maximize dopamine? or whatever
>>542063201He's made multiple digs at chess before. Obviously he was clowned on, tried to get good, failed and is content coping. The dude was caught paying people to grind his Diablo account. There's no ptw for chess so he just hopes one day his roboson grok will avenge him.
>>542063264I don't think there could possibly be a combination of moves that assures victory without feedback. There are openers, but what the other player does is absolutely critical to your next move. Does he really think there is some secret master combination that is unbeatable?
>>542060788He's right though 1 post by this id kike chess is just execution of algorithms over and over depending on the state of the board
>>542063458look at the order of posts
>>542063485No, not (((dopamine))), fun. Which isn't always pleasant and doesn't always feel good. An (((ai))) will never understand anything so it is always going to be inferior.
>>542063458still 10^44 atoms of hydrogen is heavy as mount everest or +/- 1 order of magnitude. your computer is not practical still. musk argued for possibility, as in practicality, not greatest feat life can pull at solar system scale or smth in few thousands of years. still not sure it's practical
>>542063024It's been proved that 7 riffle shuffles will mix cards perfectly, and there are 8 x 10^67 possible shuffles.So if you take a deck of cards and shuffle it 7 times and spread it out, you are seeing a sequence of cards that has never been seen before and will never be seen again.
>>542061332He got grants to manufacture things for the green energy future then bought twitter. That's a lot more honest than most billionaires.
>>542062797observable universe
>>542063488>Does he really think there is some secret master combination that is unbeatable?there likely is an unbeatable chain of moves, some might be a formula depending on enemy movesthis is speculation by me, like the rubric cube has been solved
>>542063488no I think he implied that you always recalculate the best move depending on current state. with an algorithm/computer whatever
>>542062327WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? TAKE YOUR MEDS SCHIZO CONSPIRACY THEORIST
>>542063487>fall down and your dick just fucking explodes>this is the future elon wants when he talks about merging humans with AI
>>542063555what the actual fuck are you talking about anon? what is this mysterious fun that cannot be captured/understood? makes no fucking sense, are you having a fucking stroke?
>>542063554? is this how you are deflecting and coping now? Elon makes a claim that chess will be fully solved, then chess.com retard makes a claim that you need Shannon number to solve chess, and is then corrected.How does it feel like to be wrong?>>542063583Yes of course. But practicality is a different topic and effectively goal post moving.
>>542063662>there likely is an unbeatable chain of moves, some might be a formula depending on enemy movesYeah but that's already been solved for a long time. Computers have been beating the best chess players for a while now.
>>542062935That one I found genuinely surprising. I figured it would be high but not *that* high.
>>542063662Yeah but the rubric cube doesn't have an opponent. There seems to be always a counter that defends against a strategy
>>542063728he first said >Amount of moves that are "not utterly stupid" is an additional claim on top of that.then said >He said legal positions which is the amount of possible chess states.he was right on the first, it turned wrong when he said that the number of legal move is 40(oom)
>>542060788> Complain that chess has too many movesIf anything, I think chess has too little and while it is still challenging and fun, it can also get quite repetitive. We’re overdue an expansion that makes the board bigger and adds a 2-3 new types of pieces.
>>542063774opening is likely too much of an advantage for chess to be fair in machine termsfor humans it broadly is because we are too limited
>>542063743chess isn't solved. you can argue kasparov solved chess in 1980 just because he was the best. which is nonsense. solving chess means something else
>>542063820my dad rage quit go when I beat him in series, I played for positional advantagein chess he beat me (played club tournaments)
>>542063721So you admit that you aren't a human. That is fine, but you will never understand as it is something we are born with. Fun, not (((pleasure))) if that is beyond your comprehension then you are not human.
>>542063662>there likely is an unbeatable chain of movesyou can't have a chain as it's broken by opponent on next move. you always have to adjust to current state and calculate the winning move at that point in time. there is no cheat set of moves that are impervious to any of your opponent's moves, that's retarded
>>542063939kys faggot and gtfo go pray or smth
>>542063811You really don't understand what you are talking about do you? Why do you intentionally keep digging deeper and deeper into failure? Do you need to me to explain every different claim that is ongoing here, because you don't seem to comprehend it at all.(here I am arguing with some random highschool dropout on a korean noodle forum)
>>542063743That doesn't mean it's solved, as the moves they're playing could still be potentially be beaten by a given set of moves. There needs to be proof that the moves they're playing are dominating and there exist no other possible set of better moves. For example going second could mean that, under optimal conditions, the best result can only be a tie, potentially even strictly losing, but that remains to be seen.
>>542061016Hes literally retarded..
>>542063992I pray every day, and I strive to spend every moment praying though I fall short every second of every day.
>>542060788Elon kind of is more correct. He still shouldn’t be doing this gay Twitter shit.
>>542060788When he gets his AI working hes gonna do a impotent billionaire "school shooting" across the entire earth.
>>542064054kek that's retarded. you are scared of lack of information. and you should be. for very good evolutionary reasons lmao where's my billions I'm smarter than him
>>542064117>"Don't come to earth tomorrow"
If you don't teach your kids to play chess when they're 2 years old you're a child abuser.
I know I might sound crazy, but we truly in a wondrous and beautiful timeline in history. In this era, a common peasant (chess.com moderator earning maybe $50k/year salary) can hurl verbal abuses, insults, and horrible cuss words towards an important wealthy and politically well-connected nobleman (Elon Musk), and not be beaten to death, or flayed alive, or tortured for it.Imagine a medieval lowly peasant telling some medieval king/ruler/chieftain/bishop that they suck. To their face. Noblemen today are truly forgiving and kind.>>542061099>>542061122>>542061163>>542061192>>542061016
>>542061670Mmm Maye Musk.
Stockfish can already beat a grand master. Deep Blue beat Kasparov but IBM cheat big time with that one.
>>542060788Elon... Nobody cares...
>>542064015Then mankind would have solved chess through the use of one their most advanced tool known as a computer. Why is Musk insistent on this competition of man and his tools? He is a retard.
>>542063959>you can't have a chain as it's broken by opponent on next moveyou can, we just don't know it yet>>542064005are you getting paid to shill here or are you an LLM? it is not that hard to understandhere I am arguing with some indian musk shill about cold hard logic of the definition of legal move and sensible movewhen musk was arguing with "sensible" move against chess.com "possible" move then he was rightlater in the discussion musk said that the number of legal moves in chess is 40oom which is a factual truth that is wrong
if you dont have chess rating of at least 500-600 you arent a sentient being You are NPC
>>542064305>later in the discussion musk said that the number of legal moves in chess is 40oom which is a factual truth that is wrongHe said "legal chess positions". As in chess states. As in the amount of distinct unique states you could possibly have on the board. And he was indeed correct, that number is roughly 10^44. This is all you need for solving chess. You do not understand this topic whatsoever. You are a retarded liar, charlatan, and loser. This claim has nothing to do with "sensible" or "not sensible", these are indeed all possible states.And then, those possible states can further be compressed (the speculative part).Why do you insist on being wrong?
>>542064470I didn't know elo could go this low
>>542064305>you can, we just don't know it yetbrother you need to prove your opponent cannot break it with any possible move. that's...weird as fuck. do you understand what you are saying? you need your opponent to play along. you extract a single set of moves out of all possible ones, stick to it, and somehow it cannot be ruined by your opponent? especially if he doesn't follow the same recipe as you?
>>542061016Seriously. I'd be taking 200 mg testosterone a day and 30 mg Cialis. And i'd probably drink champagne at one of my many luxury retreats or sailboats while chasing barely legal tight sideways vageen with my permanently engorged cock
chess is fucking gay and caring about it is brown coded
>>542060788Elon is a faggot and should have his throat slit and ass gaped
>>542061099not to mention the whole>you must map them allis utterly retarded. that's like saying game programmers map out every possible interaction when many interactions are emergent by design
>>542061750Jeets love him, he is the izzat champion
Elon is just right in this argument. Chess will be solved one day and arguing against that is pure idiocy. Of course you will never admit that he's right because you are an emotional monkey and you will just take the opposing side to Elon no matter what.
>>542064292In theory it's trivially solved by searching, but there's an area of computation known as complexity theory which studies things such as how long a computer will take to solve a problem or how much space is required to solve one. It takes computers too long to apply trivial solutions, such as simple searching, so much so that it would require more space than atoms in the universe or time that has passed since the beginning of creation for example. To be clear, chess has yet to be solved but other games such as checkers have been. I believe Go was recently solved as well.
>>542064618If your opponent makes a suboptimal move you're simply in a more winning position than you were previously. You don't need to require your opponent to do anything as the assumption is that your opponent will already make the optimal play. However, it may alter your future moves, but the position will simply be more winning than had they made the best one.
>>542060788Haven't they already determined that ai is better at chess? I think Elon is right for once but I thought we established that in the 90s
>>542064535I just learned of tromps definition of legal, in that sense you are correct.Next time quote the source for your jargon if you use words not like they are meant and require the definition as defined.
>>542060788He's mostly right though. Chess is a non-dynamic game, meaning there is no room for randomness, luck, bursts of uncharacteristic skill or willpower, etc, like most other games or sports. It's just an autistic spreadsheet game where the sperg who memorizes the most shit and forgets the least wins. Chess is rarely even decided by decisive offensive moves, at high levels it's just whatever autist made a 2% less efficient move in the first 10-20 moves and the domino effect results in a slightly worse position in the endgame which results in a loss. It's pure, unadulterated autism with virtually none of the other elements that make competition actually fun and exciting.
>>542060788when are computers going to solve for elon being an insufferable faggot?
>>542065642>comes to argument entirely unprepared of the basics>its someone elses faultKek. If anything, I'm amazed you even admitted to your inaccurate take.Good job nigger, you already did what redditors cannot.
>>542060788>ratio'dfuck your ooga booga nigger speak faggot
>>542060788He's such a useless fucking plant.
>>542063174Yes, and Musk's argument is that artificial superintelligence will somehow find a strategy or a set of complex heuristics that will essentially allow this. I am not saying his prediction is correct or whether he knows what he's talking about, but most people just went on about the number of possible board states instead of arguing against his actual point.
>>542060788Hope this chess account says >check mateAt one point Lmao
>>542061016People call me rich and I’m on here, desuI’m literally here out of habit. I grew up (shameful thing to post) posting on this shit hole and I STILL come here I just cannot leave. My friends and girls I talk to do not know
>>542060788elon is right here, chesstardhe's talking about the space of "good" movies, not all possible movesbut, I guess like a typical autistic chess player you failed to see the obvious
>>542060788Either Elon being more of a gay faggot or the pajeet intern got back on his PR account.
>>542064170I think what people forget is that these individuals are still human. Just like the kings of old were. Just as we are. The same behaviours and insecurities that plague us still exist within them. They have very different methods to deal with them. But they are still human. Most are actual psycho humans though.
>>542062063He's arguing with a bot and doesn't even know. That's the scandal.
>>542066339I called palmer luckey a liar on the_donald when he said he is a billionaire.
>>542065752Yes. Now think why extremely wealthy and influential people laude the game...
>>542061016Because he’s a fucking loser and no amount of money will change that. There are some people who are inherently unpleasant
>>542066229fwiw, you can reduce chess to less than 5 million states>from game start = 4,865,609it's basically solved already. when you use bit maps, bit masks and bit shifting, there's so much memory tomfoolery and optimization you can do to represent chess, it's nuts. basically a board is bits. a move is a bit shift. and rules are bit masks.every per move test becomes a per node set.it's basically already solved mathematically, no one implements it this way though for some unknown reaoni could write a better stockfish if i wanted but why bother when stockfish already does a good enough job
>>542066530because it is seen as substitution of war by the mindted kaczynski would call it a substitute activity
>>542066522Lmao. I’m nowhere near a billionaire But that’s funnyMy cousin started a firm that is valued in the billions though
>>542060788Why does Elon need to be the best at EVERYTHING? Chess is one of those activities that yields no actual practical skills. You dont become a better or more moral person from playing chess. Someone being a Chess grandmaster doesn't affect you in any way.Same with Diablo. Someone being top 0.1% in Diablo doesn't affect them and also yields no results outside of Diablo.
>>542061099Aren't there infinite possible chess games, since there can theoretically be infinite moves? Can't both teams just shuffle rooks back and forth forever.
>>542066642Not sure if pure schizo or if under heavy ai psychosis
>>542066883nah just a math fag who studied chess for their phd
>>542062093lol what
>>542062769I take it this is the new xcancel.
>>542066807it ends with a draw if you repeat moves or move without capturing anything too much, also there's a timer most of the time
>>542060788he's not the only one who got btfo'd recenty
>using the word "ratio" in the same context that a walled hag trying to act like a hip young teen uses it (teens dont use boomerspeak)
>>542060788Elon is right. It's a 2D grid. It's not complex. Not saying I'm good at it, just saying it's trivial for a computer. We've had chess algorithms forever. Ai invented a strategy in GO that no human player in up to 4000 years thought of. Go is played on a 19x19 grid with far more possible positions that chess. This dude is out of his element.
>>542066986If you truly could beat stockfish you would become a millionaire so I really can’t see how you aren’t full of bullshit. Anyone who claims to know how to solve something that would earn him generational wealth and doesn’t do it is clearly lying
>>542067241how exactly would beating stockfish give me millions of dollars?i will implement it tonight if you can convince me it's worth it.it's probably not even 500 lines of c code.also i've already published my work for the phd in Mathematics in Computer Science which did exactly what i described.you can find it for free if you look hard enough, not gonna dox myself
>>542067361Do you have any idea how much money chess moves? Do you have any idea how much people would pay for that? Chess is a 3.4 bn industry Chess.com alone would pay you 7 figures for that
>>542066750The whole diablo thing has to be one of the funniest lies in human history. I think he really only did it because he was trying to incorporate live streaming to twitter. Since he wants it to be the everything app.
>>542067535I hate the newer diablo titles, only fun was playing the auction housewhen they got rid of it I stopped playing.
>>542067361Hell, Elon himself may pay out the ass for it just to spite the chess community
>>542060788Elon is talking a out AI being unbeatable at chess soon and he is correct.Faggot.
>>542067604I don't mind it. I haven't played the new one. I'd jump on D3 for new seasons but at this point of my life it isn't something I care for anymore. But like I said. I didn't mind the gameplay loop. D3 was goated when kripparian got the pre nerf diablo kill.
>>542067470no, i only cared about math not money when studingno, again im not interested in much outside mathit's that much? why? how? subscriptions or something?if they will pay 7 figures, i could just spool up a competitor and make more then? no?Seriously if i can make generational wealth i will implement it. >>542067639interesting. okay you've convinced me, i will setup a stockfish program and post my results vs it either later today or tomorrow. i could just give my phd to claude and have it build a program and report back before the thread 404's, would that suffice?
Elon isn't wrongHumans have been completely irrelevant to high level chess play for 20+ yearsChess will be functionally solved long before it's actually solved (same thing happened with checkers), but the difference does not have a practical impact on evaluation accuracyPersonally, I've moved onto other abstract games that haven't been studied to death, like the gipf project. Dvonn is brilliant, and I don't have to deal with some midwit who has remembered the opening 15 moves of a main variation.
>>542061192>Darpa actors I think at least 2/3rds of the big tech ceos are. This was scripted out long ago...back in 50,60s and 70s these top darpa egg heads were poppin speed and hatching grand ideas for The Future. Excelsior! Etc, etc...so long and thanks for all the fish! Dr who. Mystery theater 3000. Let's do the time warp again (rhps). That sorta thing. Phillip Dick stuff you guys are too dumb and dense to understand. You're all philistines in need of a good shepherd. And you don't take speed or do butt sex. You've never even been to burning man. So you're not ascended. It's time to talk about it all. I'm tired of the show. Its lame af. I want to see the reality show where The Show goes off the rails and the curtain comes crashing down. Now that's must see TV! I'll record that shit and watch it twice.
>>542067929Elon appears to not know what Stockfish is, however.
>>542067805lol if you really can beat stockfish you are set for life and I say this unironically
>>542066807It's not a question of game length, it's a question of figuring out the absolute best move that each side can play. The answer at the end of that question is either going to be a win for white or a draw (vanishingly small chance it would be a win for black). I'm inclined to say perfect play from both sides is a draw.
>>542060788>Chess needs to be perfectly solved to be functionally solvedthe first 20-30 moves have been already been optimized, and EVERY chess ending featuring 7 or fewer pieces total (including both kings) has been completely, perfectly solved. This means grand mastership is a matter of memorizing the these pathways at the start and at the end, and having enough knowledge to correctly execute the connecting 15-20 average moves from opening to endgame. Anyone with photographic memory and an IQ above 110 can become a champion now; it used to be reserved for extreme outlier geniuses. Talk to any chess champion, they'll admit it's largely a memorization trick.While it's mathematically not possible to perfectly solve chess using computation (look up Shannon Number), it doesn't need to be brute force strong-solved, to be functionally solved. One more major iteration in computing power, like say quantum, and it will reduce the average connecting moves between the optimized opening, and the solved ending, down to 5-10 moves. Even a fucking midwit can be taught to think 5-10 moves ahead.That's functionally solved.Elon's basically correct.
>>542060788>Yes, India has a significantly larger number of chess players and titled players than almost any other nation. As of recent data, India boasts 85 Grandmasters (up from just five in 2000) and over 30,000 players officially rated by the International Chess Federation (FIDE).Jeet slop. OP is brown
>>542066659who?
>>542065752No, you clearly do not understand chess. Will power is incredibly important in chess. Having a powerful and dominating spirit is a big asset in chess. >Not decided by decisive movesThat's definitely not true. It's just that the decisive move is difficult for a viewer to ascertain. Theres always a decision move. That point at which they take the bait or fail to see their own vulnerability...and then KA-BLIP! You pounce on your prey like a jungle cat! It's all very exciting. I could definitely beat you at chess. I can already tell. I would intimate the fuck out of you.
>>542068164he was an UNO player
>>542060788>this thread has 179 replies.You should all honestly kill yourselves asap
>>542061016He just wants friends. He doesn't have any and he makes too much money to trust anyone new. Its Shakespearean really, his nature prevents him having the one thing he wants.
>>542068143India was still the largest population in 2000 and they still only had 5????
>>542068268Were you ever bullied? Something about you makes me want to pick on you. You have prey animal energy. Like a shrew.
>>542060788Most important thread is here:>>542068322>>542068322>>542068322
How the fuck is this politics kill yourself negro.Also I agree with Elon as every game is inevitably solvable.
>>542060788reminder chess.com will unironically doxx your full legal name next to your usernameits probably the most evil website on the internet
>>542068420Were you ever noticed? Something about you makes me want to gas you. You have parasite animal energy. Like a jew.
>>542068094i'll try. i have no idea if it's better than what they have as it stands. just that the math i did does work out to being extremely efficient and very small number of instructions on a cpu. and mainly you could encode the entire game in bit masking bit shifting and boards being pure bits. i assumed it would be better because no one really thinks of chess like that. im am mostly a theoretical computer scientist after all when i said i could make a better one, i was saying so thinking i'd have to do more than what the paper says, but who knows maybe the paper itself is already better than stockfishi'll give it a college try as they say, who knows maybe you'll be the reason someone beat stockfish lol lmao
>>542062485Yes this is the only time I’ve seen the comparison used, which was in a lecture explaining RSA encryption. Also who cares about retards fighting on twitter, nigger goes in all fields.
>>542060788What's the matter if chess, or any game, is ever solved by a computer?The idea is for people to challenge one another.
>>542068530So you're saying this is a good way to find female chess players? Thanks for the tip.
>>542066807>Infinite movesNo, but practically yes because it's astronomically high.Keep in mind the overwhelming majority of possible chess moves will absolutely never be played by a person who understands even the most basic concepts of play. Chess, in my opinion, is a pretty shit game on the whole. It isn't solved, but might as well be because once you study it for a couple of months you can pretty easily read board states and optimal moves and it starts to feel like a fucking Rubik's Cube more than an interactive player vs player competitive game.
>>542068974If it's fully solved, players could just memorize that line, whether it's 40, 50, 60 moves, whatever.But as soon as one player deviated from the line, whether the other player could still achieve the best outcome would come down to their memory of that variation.
>>542062278the complexity isn't from non-applying heuristics, it's from sheer exponentiality of options even within known lines. Picrel. every additional move requires another order of magnitude of compute to solve it, you hit a hard physical limit well before even an average/short game is solved (Not counting shit like the scholars mate)While quantum would likely solve a few more piece-endings (likely up to 10), and a few more opening move optimizations, we would then be at the point of diminishing returns. Eventually we'd need several computer revolutions just to add one more solved ply. Physics simply doesn't have the room for it. TLDR: The numbers are just too big, even amongst common lines.
>>542060788VIABLE strategies are far fewer and therefore far fewer "moves", muh infinity moves is intentionally obscuring that. winning strategies have been mapped and optimized. with engines the game has become memorizing slight variations and relying on your opponent's blunder. he's right, eventually it will be reduced to a handful and become the equivalent of rock paper scissors where the only deciding factor is who goes first.
>>542069076those are trannieswhat i am saying is that, lets say your handle on discord/twitter is "niggaslayer420" and you have the exact same handle on chess.com, you will have your full real name revealed
>>542060788> even my friends don't text me back that fast
>>542060788elon is correct, Once there are 7 pieces on the board all games have been solved.does that bother you?
>>542061016He wants to be part of the cool kids
>>542061670Fuck off elon
>>542064170>>Imagine a medieval lowly peasant telling some medieval king/ruler/chieftain/bishop that they suck. To their face. Noblemen today are truly forgiving and kind.
>>542060788I don’t get it. Where’s the “own”?>>542069545That’s the only possible “own” I saw. Chess guy basically admits that he has no friends.
>>542060788Lmao
>>542061163>>542060788What does Elon mean when he says “solve chess”? Computers are already better than humans
>>542060788hahahahahahahahahah
>>542060788Elon probably just citing his whole argument off grok lmaoThat nigga is a fraud
>>542061016holy based
>>542066562He's more like us than we want to admit
Why is "even my friends don't text me back that fast" a good response? Redditors are calling it a burn but idgi it seems like absolutely nothing to me.
>>542068456glownigger
>>542062090And a human would easily defeat his precious ai by confusing it with retarded moves.
>>542070013Kek, true
>>542070753why is the lid calling the teapot a nigger?
>>542067241>If you truly could beat stockfish you would become a millionaire so I really can’t see how you aren’t full of bullshit.oh my fucking godthe lower midwit's go to denial kneejerk>IF your theory THEN my assumptions THEREFORE u r so wrong lolololkekers
>>542070305Elon might've been implying the chess.com guy was fucking terrified.
>>542060788>brief peek into a perma-seething leftist's worldYour fagworld is on fire and the FBI will probably raid your house. Who knows how they might respond if you or your limping collection of sodomized support animals make sudden, unexpected movements.Praying for you on this end, anon. Recognize and submit to the healing power of DJT. On your knees and kiss his ring. Kiss it. Do it now while you can still save yourself.
>>542067805>i could just give my phd to claude and have it build a program and report back before the thread 404's, would that suffice?they'll steal itthe goblins will
>>542070969>trump astroturf on 4chinz in 2026
"I'm a full time employee" was a brutal self-own, but I'll admit "even my friends don't text me back that fast" made me chuckle
>>542060788Yeah what the actual fuckAnyone who is good at chess knows the three or so valid moves (out of the quintillions or so) an opponent may mount to encroach on a board configuration where a fulcrum may be forced into a defender's postureChess is a game of optimization, --If you are Elon reading--I have a Reduction Framework which may interest you
>>542060788>than atoms in the observable universeThis is exaggerated right? Or are they doing the gotcha that the observable universe is shrinking?
>>542069915they're better but they're still gambling their moves (waging probabilities fuzzily)solving chess would lead to knowing the absolute perfect (highest absolute probability of win) move everytime thanks to rank calculationit would remove straight competition between machines entirely
>>542060788I dont even like musk but funny that the guy that operates Chess.com is a retard that doesn't even know chess. Elon is factually correct here, the chess guy is wrong. It doesn't matter how many updoots you get. Just shows how many retards there are.
>>542064214wtf
>>542060788He's right that it will be fully solved though, probably sooner than we think.
>>542062099>the wifeLOLbring the cow!
>>542062278yeah but this is what happens when people who suck at something try to use their intuition to understand it… like elon… in chess there are only specific positions, like recapturing a piece, where there is only one good response. in most positions there are 8 or so good moves and you have to choose just 1. that’s what makes or breaks you in any competition even a brain dead sport. and that occurs on the very first move for both players. loads of good options.
Lots of smart people switched to Go, the search depth and number of legal board positions is nearly infinite because of ko. Computers are doing better now but still, average teen enthusiast level. Kasparov learned Go and likes it.
>>542060788Jeetlon is such a cringe sperg to get upset by such foolish things
>>542063458>cheating in path of exile in a desperate attempt to gain gaming status.it was a diversion tactiche had just gotten btfo on H1Bbut suddenly all we talked about was his gaming diarrhea insteadand the hot H1B moment passed and never came back
>>542071497>Lots of smart people switched to GoHah thats so funnyI used to play Go on Windows XPIt was in the start menu, it was all I had on my computer besides pinball, so I used to play thatI'd sit there for hours and hours and que Go matchesSometimes i'd play the same person over and over again all dayYou could only communicate with emoji's or prebuilt text lines, and we'd just keep vsing each-other because we were goodI think many of these players were ChineseI would have been around 10 or so at the timeI love you, Gemini
>>542061404I am not rich at all, but ever since I have gotten a good job that pays me well, I rarely ever post on 4chan, although I do check up somewhat frequently. You would have to be pretty lonely to be rich and actually posting frequently on here. Presumably you would be working, spending time with your girlfriend, and doing hobbies that can be afforded with money.
>>542071150>I'll admit "even my friends don't text me back that fast" made me chucklethis made you laugh?
>>542068367Kinda bullshit tho.Even if his friends are the dirtiest, poorest plebs that allways greet him with "money please!" it wouldnt fuck him over.He is the richest man in the world.Even richy rich made some friends.I guess he is just an asshole on a personal level, thats usually the kind of people that become rich in the first place.Nothing to do with his political opinions btw.Elon, if you read this:Just be chill and stop your performative dickwanking on social media.Be humble and kind.Start enjoying life.
>>542072050You're here for life holmes
>>542061016>Implying that if you were a billionaire, you wouldn't still be shitposting on /pol/
>>542062797>comment section on scat videos. Kek
>>542064786>>542066642>>542066986>>542067361>>542067805Are you this guy?https://github.com/sneed-and-feedYou seem to use similar language and just as delusional as him. He claimed to have improved inference speed of transformers by 98% on /g/ a few months back, and he seemed completely serious about it for days, while everyone was laughing, and in the end, to no one's surprise, he declared it to be a nothingburger.
>>542063820Play Fischer Random.>>542064268Stockfish also loses to Leela though. Two different types of ai.
>>542068187Assuming you're not joking, you can't decisively beat someone at chess because if both players play perfect or near perfect move, the game ends in a draw. There's no offensive strategy you can use to force your opponent to make a mistake or lose position. Every move you make has a corresponding correct move to defend. The only way you lose chess is if you don't know or miss the correct move. It's pure memorization.
Chess is stupid and gay, Starcraft 1 is a far superior game
>>542074840Sicilian woman >>
Who would Fischer agree with? all that matters
>>542061016>he thinks joe biden on twitter is literally joe biden using twitter
>>542060788It's crazy that Elon can't understand the insane amount of permutations in chess. But he's a retard, just go look at him arguing about why Rome fell and getting BTFO by some guy who is into Roman history. I think he justs off on being humiliated publicly
>>542074991neither. fischer would call ai a jewish superweapon to impose global state of communism, and probably even point out the fact that both of their interests are aligned, the dispute is artificial, shilling for chess.com, which is the leading proponent of mapping these moves using human activity, wasting your energy rather than theirs.
>>542074991Well Fischer said that chess was essentially figured out a long time ago and that's why he created Fischer Random.
>>542074699This isn't true. Stockfish vs Leela games are basically perfect moves vs perfect moves and they don't always end in draws.
>>542063959Proven means there's a known chain that would also beat that new sequence (played optimally). If the opponent deviates from that optimal line to a weaker line, there's a new complete sequence to beat it.Proven means we know the actual sequence. Practically solved just means the evaluation model goes from +0.5 to +2.0 and applies logic to say it's a won game, absent a mistake.
>>542075807They're not perfect moves, they're extremely strong moves. If it was a perfect known move, no evaluation would be needed, both sides would just instantly make the best known move (imagine knowing all the permutations of tic tac toe, you wouldn't have to evaluate the position to make the best move)
>>542075249nah elon is right chess is going to be a solved game like tic tac toe or connect 4 or reversi
>>542060788>world's richest man>leader of like 4 or 5 companies>has time to shitpost about chess
>>542060788>I may suck at chess but I will bring my dad, uh, the AI and he will beat you up!the guy's getting senile
>>542061192Yes this. It freaked me out when I found out all the big tech billionaires CEOs are connected to DARPA.
>>542072413in school he laughed about a boy and bullied him for having his mom die recently, musk got shoved and landed in the hospital as the bully got his just desserts
Thisbreally looks like something I should care about. NOT!
>>542061016And yet here you fags are talking about the platform he owns. Elon is probably the OP. I don't blame him for baiting you faggots non-stop.
>>542061192Every single one of these people on the global stage are actors. People underestimate to what level the jews use the entire world as their theater. Elon is a total jew for instance.
>>542060788>ratio'dReddlt thread.
>>542061332They are literally driving in his cars every day and seeing the satellites he launches into orbit every night. Just because you're too dumb to comprehend the production output of his clmpanoes doesn't make them a scam.
>>542061016He's a fucking kike that has stolen billions from American taxpayers and destroyed OUR auto industry to peddle his trash electric car tech to China which they've already copied and improved upon.
>>542060788that made my day, thanks.
I spoke to Elonovitch on and off for two years on x. He's just a secular Zionist contractor.He thought China would collapse after bombing Iran.He doesn't really pay attention or know much other than the typical normies Jewish copes
Elon musk already lost when he said chess had no fog of war and tech tree or whatever he said the first time
>>542061728>chess is brown!!!Meanwhile you’re esl, gtfo faggot kike
>>542060788It's so obvious why this pedo kike wants to replace all of us with 45 IQ inbred Indian Hindu rape rats. He's a complete midwit and he wants to be the smartest in a country full of jeets. Trump should have deported his kike ass to India while he had the chance.
>>542078864fog of war you break with scout units, it virtually does not exist in ladderat least my experience from playing RTS ages ago for half a year online
>>542062419This kike faggot elon musk is posting in this thread and this is proof, noone could possibly kiss his ass this much
>>542078249Not just the billionaires,all the social media whores through night media. The gaming initiatives through DIGRA which was the prototype for the woke crackdown on gaming and all the outrage culture. It's all algorithmic subversion.
>>542061332Half of America wants to rein in billionaires.The other half are willing living shields for them (to own the libs) so it would lead to a civil war.
games with perfect information suck arse and are purely tests of memory rather than reasoning.
>>542074840Starcraft cheats the complexity question by having an infinite pool of maps, though. The board changes every time it looks like the game is getting figured out. If you forced people at gunpoint to play the exact same map pool for 20 years Zerg winrates would probably be close to 100%.
Elon you're not winning back the gamersJust accept it
Elon thinks Playstation and Xbox are still the 2 relevant game consoles and didn't even mention Switch 2 despite the fact it's the only succeeding platform out there and the fastest selling of all time. He has the mind of a raped gen x boomer.
>>542060788Pretty much every multiplayer video game has more possible games than chess.
>>542063774Golf also does not have a real opponent.
>>542079593Most of the video games can be easily solved, not with chess.
>>542079296Starcraft is dogshit for the sole fact that APM shouldn't be a deciding factor to win in a strategy game.
A.I. is getting good a video games now with not needing text it watches the screen and learns how to get good. Even if chess isn't completely solved it could study enough games to never lose to a human
>>542060788chess isn't solved, in the sense that the best possible move has been found from start to finish, but computers are much, much better at it than humans because chess is so limited. Last time I checked (back when AI couldn't properly render fingers), human Go players could still beat computers, but that will probably stop pretty soon if it hasn't already.
He's such a useless fake midwit >>542061557 it's crazy.Chess is a game, games are meant to be played by humans. But I know this white pajeet wouldn't understand that and wants to get his izzat from having other people speedrun his account to the top of the diablow 4 rankings. The concept of enjoyment is alien to him.
>>542079296>If you forced people at gunpoint to play the exact same map pool for 20 years Zerg winrates would probably be close to 100%.why is that?
>>542061016>Yeah, but I don't have any money.If you had some you'd get too big for your britches and act like you're too good to spend time in shitholes like this. If you had real money you'd be here shitposting all the time. Eventually you realize money and many of the hobbies money facilitates doesn't buy happiness. Calling anons troons and faggots and niggers does however. Faggot.
>>542061404No, I'd be getting blowjobs from my harem of hundreds of bleach blonde instagram thots I pay a few million a year and planning the development of a utopian community that I fully fund and support.
>>542061016He's a dipshit nerd who likes ketamine. Surprised he isn't at Burning Man being a cool kid. Well, he proly was in a plug and play camp that avoids discomfort
>>542080041This nigger faggot gets it
>>542080041>many of the hobbies money facilitates doesn't buy happiness. Calling anons troons and faggots and niggers does, however. Faggot
>>542080026zerg rush is real
>>542080041Kek based post
>>542060788>This dude is so fucking pathetic it's actually unbelievableElmo and Trump are really a sign of the times, both are clinically insane and should be in an institution or jail, and yet are running the world, what a stupid time to be alive
>>542060788Wake me up when the AI invents some interesting game.
>>542060788What a loser.
>>542079925Humans have been unable to beat the best chess engines for years now, but I guess it's debateable if pure machine learning for a single purpose counts as "AI".
>>542061099pretty much
>>542065752interesting take, reminds me of Demis Hasabis comments on Chess in the documentary on him and Alpha Go, where he realized what a waste it was at age 12 or so
>>542060788Didn't Elon say chess was already a solved game at some point?
>>542060788>>Continues coping, tries to belittle the person running the account by calling them in internit is truly amazing how he has not emotionally matured one bit at age 55, can you imagine these huge institutional investors with billions riding on him, what were they thinking
Musk is like the worst advertisement for his own platform
>>542073141kek i wish i had balls to trollright now im in the middle of implementing my paper and running at 100% winrate at 1700ish elo, i've only been testing here for speed becuase higher elos run for longer and it's quick and wasy to testthere's still a bunch to implement and im sure i can break over 2k elo easy with several things i've yet to add from the paperthere are also several things i think i can add not in the paper to break above 3k elo and i have some ideas to break over 3500, also im using python atm so i can nail down logic before porting to C for speed.im calling it "mask" because it's about bit manipulationsalso fwiw, my stuff doesn't encode anything about moves, like openings, or meta-chess moves stuff like that, it's a completely generic solver using bit manipulation >inb4 you're calling a different python file not main.pymain.py is my engine and the mask_vs_stockfish.py is a runner that calls both stockfish and my main file
>>542077691>>world's richest man>>leader of like 4 or 5 companies>>has time to shitpost about chessketamine is a helluva drugyou cant not tweetThese are the weekly/monthly “how many times will @elonmusk post?” contracts. They started in June 2024.One busy week in late February 2026 did $46.5 million in volume on a single weekly contract — Polymarket’s own write-up. That is a 342× jump from the first week’s $136k.Other fat weeks: about $21 million (Jan 23–30, 2026) and about $22 million (Dec 16–23, 2025).Typical later-2026 weeks are more like $0.6–4 million each. Right now: Sep 3–5 window ~$623k volume; Sep 1–8 ~$0.8–1 million.Dune counted 3,881 Elon tweet-count markets from May 2024 through April 2026. There is no single published all-time total, but stacking weekly $1–5M markets for two years plus the $20M+ spikes puts cumulative volume in the hundreds of millions, not billions.Open interest on a given week is usually a sliver of that volume — examples in the tens to low hundreds of thousands, not millions — because the same dollars get traded back and forth as the count updates.Concentration is extreme: the top 1% of wallets did about 83% of Elon-tweet volume in that Dune study.
>>542077691>has time to shitpost about chessWell yeah, the higher up in a company you go the less actual work they do.
>>542060788LOL! I like Elon's sad face at the "full time employee".
>>542060788What Elon meant was, you can pare down the possibilities drastically by cordoning off the "retard moves". It drastically lowers the number of moves you actually need to calculate.
>>542061016>I have honestly no idea how someone who has billions available to him whenever he wants can piss his whole day away on retarded arguments on Twatter.THIS is when you know you are FILTHY Rich.
>>542081256>What Elon meant was, you can pare down the possibilities drastically by cordoning off the "retard moves".But that's not how chess works.
Chess is a computer science concept you fucking retards. He's a computer engineer
>>542081256But then you become predictable enough that exploring what previously were retarded moves becomes viable
>>542081450No he's not and neither are you. I've seen Elon's code it's some of the worst code I've ever read.
>>542081450>He's a computer engineerHe's not he did a BSc in Economics and a BA in Physics. Which is kind of stupid that they still hand out BA's in the sciences.
>>542064618>>542065436Nta but a locally suboptimal move would be the exact strategy that defeats this line of thinking. Move away from the local maximum towards a local(or even global sometimes) minimum can actually get you closer towards a global maximum. It could very well be the case that a series of locally optimal moves just guarantee's a loss (dead end optimal strategy) while a series of intentional suboptimal moves outcompetes in the long run.
>>542060788Nobody wants to believe the fact that rich people are usually midwits who were at the right place at the right time and their success has little to do with their intelligence.
>>542082514It's more of a combination of cleverness and persistence. I don't believe it's possible to stay rich if you're a completely shit person. Do a thought experiment, what do you think would happen if you gave a homeless guy 10 million dollars? He would lose it fast obviously. So there is some virtue in being rich, and there is some sort of winning attitude that contributes to it. It's learnable and clever people, not necessarily smart but persistent, are able to learn it.
>>542080041accurate post non sequitur, suck a bag of dicks Wayne. your future is Bloat and liver failure. kekyou useless poor old queen.
>>542082514>rich people are usually midwits who were at the right place at the right timetypical slave mentality. read (and comprehend) nietzsche
