Bessent's intention was to slam China over subsidies and the like. However, the only thing people actually hear was: "BYD is the best $70,000 car that $35,000 can buy"Best AD for BYD in 2026
Isn't American agriculture subsidized
>>542069697shhhhhh
we can't support china, if we're gonna buy cheap unreliable spyware vehicles they better be AMERICAN vehicles built and assembled in mexico
>>542069697Nearly all big business is effectively subsidized. Executives pocket the gains instead of making a better product is all.
>>542069584I genuinely think he's just undermining Trump at this point. He knows everything is a shitshow now so he's just trying to shitpost irl and see how long he can get away with it before they fire him.Also I know nothing about chink shitboxes but I do know I went from laughing every time I heard about them to watching reviews of them on youtube with passing interest so that probably says something.
>>542069697yeah, but all this subsidies go directly into the pockets of the big agribusinesses that have bought up all the farms. none of it goes to reducing the prices of food anymore.
>>542069584China sell BYDs, Geely's and all manner of electric cars in Australia and we don't even have a market to tank. American multinationals Ford and GM motors grifted our market then left when the government stopped handing them subsides endlessly. Keeping chinko cars out of America is terrible for the consumer and competition in the American market. It makes America seem pathetic and hypocritical.
>>542069979>subsidesSubsidies
>>542069584man what a faggot
>>542069697Muh free market lol no such thing as a free lunch
>>542069584but /o/ told me ev doesn't work
>BYD>Burn You to Death
>>542072300Burn your dick
>>542069584Again, I still haven't heard an explanation why they're better.
>>542072395>Again, I still haven't heard an explanation why they're better.Better at burning your family alive.
>>542069697Who needs to eat?
>>542072300between 2020 and 2022 11 byd have gone poofin the same time period 60 tesla have gone poof
>>542072300Tesla is the one with the shitty electronic computerized door handles that won't open after a crash, causing people to get trapped and burn to death. China has regulations saying that all car door handles must be manually operable.
>>542069584> $35,000> for a fucking shopping cartI paid €1,500 for my old 2nd-hand Japanese.The whole maintenance including insurance, tax, and technical inspection is ~€300 per YEAR!
>>542069584Kinda seems he was trolling American brands too.
>>542072532Solid state batteries will fix the explosion problem starting next year. Solid state batteries have more stable chemistry, meaning they don't explode like lithium ion batteries. They also have better range, run cooler, are smaller and charge 10x faster. The tech is already here, not just a proof of concept but actual cars in production. But it's not in mass production yet. Nissan and Toyota plan to start mass producing solid-state battery cars in 2027-2028.
I hate these gay ass You Vill Own Nothing electric cars, but our own domestic market is doing us dirty.
>>542073039Cool. Let me know when they have more range than my mechanical diesel mercedes that gets 950 miles per tank. Let me know when they're more reliable than my mechanical diesel engine. Let me know when they're cheaper to repair than my mechanical diesel engine. (The answer is never).
>>542069778Shut up bitch and take my corn cob
>>542073228Diesel is expensive. Charging your electric car is essentially free.
>>542069697Realistically everything is subsidied through the supply chain in some way or another. Free market doesn't exist and is just as much as a fairy tale as communism because both ideas are for uneducated retards who can't understand a complex situation but need to vote.
>>542073039"Solid state batteries will fix everything in 1 year!"We've been hearing that for 5 years now.
>>542072543Everything here is subsidized and we have the most expensive food in the world. Our dairy in particular is highway robbery prices, and no one is allowed to compete, nor are they allowed to increase supply.
>>542069584YELLOW PERIL FUCK CHYNA FUCK CHINKS
>>542069862The only difference is that China uses subsidies to focus it's industrial might in certain areas which inevitabely end up with high degrees of competition.We use our subsidies to entrench lazy megacorps that continue to fuck over regular people and the world at large.
>>542073285>Diesel is expensive.A diesel engines with a mechanical diesel pump run on just about any flammable liquid. Waste motor oil, seed oils, transmission oil, brake cleaner, kerosene. It's cheaper than your 'free' electric car which actually is more expensive to run than an ICE car. If you weren't a shill and actually knew what you were talking about you would know this.
>>542069926BYD is eating Teslas lunch everywhere except the US because you banned BYD. And Canada, because you bullied Canada into also banning BYD. I've driven various teslas and byds. Chinks are on a different level. Much comfier ride. Luxury interior with physical buttons and dials instead of tesla's cost cutting spartan minimalism ipad wank.Tesla is losing in every market except the ones where competition is banned. This is why Elon was sucking trumps fat but short cock.
>>542073285>Charging your electric car is essentially free.Depends on the cost of your electricity.In California, the average cost per KWH is 31 cents.A model 3 gets approx 4 miles per kwh. A rivian r1 gets approx 2.5, a rivian r2 gets approx 3.So to travel 100 miles, its approx $7.75 for a tesla, $12.4 for a rivian r1, $10.3 for a r2.Compared to a 30mpg gas (or diseel) car, which at current cali gas prices of $5.58/gal, would be $18.6So it's cheaper, but only by a factor of approximately 2.Maybe there are other states where you can find wildly different numbers, but that's for cali... the state with the highest EV adoption.
>>542069862>Nearly all big business is effectively subsidized. Executives pocket the gains instead of making a better product is all.That's literally always been the real point behind subsidies. No group which was ever capable of influencing government policy enough to get a subsidy was poor enough to actually need one.>>542069939Subsidies don't really reduce prices even under ideal circumstances. They mostly just bid up the price of the factors of production for the subsidized good.>>542073324>Free market doesn't exist and is just as much as a fairy tale as communismJust because there are currently no capitalist countries that doesn't mean that they haven't existed in the past.>both ideas are for uneducated retards who can't understand a complex situation but need to vote.No, socialism is the one for the voting masses of retards. Invariably democracies lead to politicians promising the vast swathes of retards that they can vote themselves rich, and those evil productive people deserve to be robbed anyway. The patience and intelligence to understand that the free market being allowed to work out problems is entirely beyond the conception of retards like you, who are too impressed with their own imagined intelligence to accept the reality that no policy they will come up with will be better than just not doing anything.>>542073657>Tesla is losing in every market except the ones where competition is bannedThat's literally the point behind subsidies, tariffs, and every other form of government intervention. To protect favored crony businesses from superior competition.
>>542073811I'm also forgetting to add on "transmission fee", "grid fee", "maintenance surcharge" and all the other BS that the electric companies add onto your bills too.
>>542073407China subsidizes to kill domestic industry. The government sees their companies as weapons since they are directly beholden.
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>>542069697not in that way, you clueless subhuman. the government pays farmers not to grow certain things because american production could destabilize the market. china devalues their currency and wants to dump the cars they can't sell in their own country in the west which is economic warfare. no sane country will take chinese cars at those prices since it will ruin local industry
>>542073811>In California, the average cost per KWH is 31 cents.What a fucking shithole.
>>542069584>>542069697I’m starting to think Bessent is a boomer who walked into his life unqualified. Thst faggot went to Yale for 10k a year his education has to be trash
>>542073964why do morons like you not understand that you're the moron? is it because you spend all your time in a reddito echo chamber? i think it is
>>542073039I'm saving up for an EV, at least that gives me some more time.
>>542073811>So to travel 100 miles, its approx $7.75 for a tesla, $12.4 for a rivian r1, $10.3 for a r2.Even if these numbers are true (They're not) you need to factor in just how much electric cars depreciate which is far higher than even new luxury ICE cars. What's the point in saving $200 a month on petrol if your car is depreciating at a rate many times the fuel savings? You will never save money using an EV. It will always be cheaper to buy an old petrol or diesel car.
>>542073916>the government pays farmers not to grow certain things because american production could destabilize the market.Kek, mercantilist excuses never stop being funny.>china devalues their currency and wants to dump the cars they can't sell in their own country in the west which is economic warfare.So you're saying they're willing to sell us stuff at a loss, and your reaction isn't to just let their poor economic decision making be our gain.>no sane country will take chinese cars at those prices since it will ruin local industryActually any sane country would do it. Unfortunately every country in the world is too fucked by Keynesian retardation to understand that the most devastating thing to China would be free trade and a stable dollar. Unfortunately it's socialists like you who look at what China is doing and think you need to just answer their socialism with your own flavor.
>>542074087gonna match the colors of the ev with your buttplug? faggot. go back
>>542069697Yes, American automakers are also subsidized. The US government even bails them out with taxpayer money when they fail.
>>542074224why do you continue to talk about shit you know nothing about? you're a stupid faggot. it's not worth engaging with a retard that has no idea how the economy works
>>542074330>why do you continue to talk about shit you know nothing about?The irony here is palpable.>it's not worth engaging with a retard that has no idea how the economy worksSays the retard spewing out a melange of Keynesian, moretarist, and MMT bullshit he heard on the news or from some podcast without having ever read a single treatise on economics.
Like very monster in the orange man government it's impossible to tell if they're destroying the country on purpose or if it's just a side effect of their malicious rape of its coffers
>>542073228Let us know when you done accelerating to 40 in your mechanical diesel mercedes
>>542074878>it's impossible to tell if they're destroying the country on purpose or if it's just a side effect of their malicious rape of its coffersIt really is weird how everything they do seems to be calculated to be the absolute worst thing at any given moment. Like I don't think anybody there is far sighted or smart enough to have a real plan to destroy the USA, but if they did it'd probably look a lot like this. I think the actual cause is that they know that none of them are going to get elected again, so they might as well just steal everything that isn't nailed down before they leave.
>>542074993Just give her a little more fuel and bigger turbo and they eat fine. Love my 617
>>542069584Realistically you could get for cheaper than $35k, the $35k price point is the American entry point for cars. I'd imagine BYD without any interference could be as cheap as $10-$15k. So that's why they want to ban all of their cars.
>>542072568>Tesla is the one with the shitty electronic computerized door handlesYeah I don't know how the fuck they got away with selling that retarded shit. Even buses and shit need to have a clearly labelled manual override if the air ram for the door fails.
>>542069939In a pay to play system, better to have expensive food than none at all.
>>542069697farmers get paid to produce less to protect corporate profits
>chink cars flood the market>something goes horribly wrong with your chink car>replace my chink care you have plenty>we have plenty of cars not parts LMAO FAGGOT NO CAR FOR YOU have a petrol loanerKind of funny.
35,000 dollars is still too much for a fucking car.
>>542073902wow almost like libertarianism is retarded
>chinkshit>worth 70k, let alone 35kGood one kike Bessent
>>542069697I don't know but I'm craving more corn syrup and I need to go down and fill up with $4.50 gas that's 10% corn and also I need to forward 20% of my paycheck to corn farmers. In conclusion, I love Iowa.
>>542069584Can someone with a stupid fucking twitter account post the whole stupid fucking tweet? Please?
>>542069584You can still get a new Honda or Toyota for ~$30K, well-equipped.
>>542072560Could be 11, could be 11.000, no one knows, because any kind of reporting from China is sus:https://rsf.org/en/country/china
>>542069584Isnt this guy a pole smoker? Doesnt even know what his dick is really for and hes running part of the economy....
Reminder American cars are made by beaners in Mexico
>>542069584Paid shill. I was in China and BYD cars sucked in suspension. Only Denza and Xpeng were impressive. Subaru suspension is better, honestly
>>542069979America is a satanic nigger infested financial plantation
>>542079790Fuck out of my country shtiskin
>>542069584BYD is based. And has a realistic valuation, unlike tesla
>>542079840you don't have a country
>>542079840everyone in your family should be raped by niggers
>>542069584Given they'll be banned in the US anyway, that stupid comment can only do damage outside the US.It's a testament to Chinese incompetence that their "expensive luxury cars" are still 1000x times as shit as anything similar made here though.
>>542075939Yeah, there were a lot of people stuck behind the curve when Japan made the same transition too.
>>542069584America can't compete with Asia (especially China) and even European companies (in niche manufacturing).China is overpowered industrially. It’s like they learned everything from the Economic Shock Therapy of former Warsaw Pact (decided that was dogshit), learned from Korea and Japan, and internal experiences. They came to asynthesis where key input industries like steel, defense, chemicals, petrochemicals, minerals, finance, telecoms, utilities, and machine tools remain State owned Enterprises.Then they took that central planning capacity for infrastructure to create vertically integrated supply chains that less vital sectors could build off of.So instead of mass deindustrialization and unemployment it provides a platform for further economic growth with cheap inputs. Westerners, Africa, India, and other Asian countries can’t compete with it. Their labor isn’t even cheap by global standards anymore it’s just they have everything so perfectly integrated. It’s what happens when you have much of the government made up of by engineers. It’s amazing.Tbf Japan and Korea already have fairly vertically integrated industry and pretty logical planning within a Capitalist system, but they also just don't have the natural resources and people that China does. I still think Japan, Korea, and the Republic of China have other things going for them. Subsidies or whatever excuses Americans make up why Japan, Korea, and the Republic of China canbuild actually build stuff and America can't explain everything. Asia just plans better.Germany has Mittelstand and industrial conglomerates with skilled engineers from Germany and all over Europe. They have better training for their people. The Unions help train people there and are part of the business. People go to trade school to become skilled machinist and other things and there is an pipeline to get them into the skilled trades. Germany makes machine tools, optics, pharma equipment, etc.
We did it, Twitter!
>>542079840>country
>>542074243Buttplug? Gay. I'll have it match my clip-on tail.
>>542069584"BYD is the BEST $70,000 car that $35,000 can buy"- U.S. Secretary of the Treasury
>>542080564Good advertisement for seatbelt cutters. Remember when Elon bragged about the windows being 'unbreakable'? No doorhandles either so nobody can help you when the car's electronics go on the fritz, when you're in the water or burning alive.New car windows in regular cars laminate the side windows as well, that means they won't shatter even with a glassbreaker so you'll need a hammer shaped one just to try and tear a hole. The people in charge of these death traps tell you it's an improvement and part of why you should pay 5x what a car should cost.
>>542073490You could also run on natural gas or homemade LPG
I'd rather pay $37000 cash for a massively powerful computer a total render beast than have even a very nice SUV
>>542073039This is simply not true. It's like claiming ICEs are going to make massive gains in efficiency, these are extremely mature technologies that take tremendous effort to eke out single digit percentage gains after years of endeavour. You're not going to see batteries magically become better than liquid fuels in your lifetime.
>>542069584let me know when they start making EVs with analogue speedos and buttons that don't have a million microphones and cameras harvesting data about me and the occupants in my car for marketing and insurance purposes. something like the really early BYD e6 (looks like the interior of a 2007 Prius but is actually from 2020)
>>542073811It all doesn't matter anyways as current electric vehicle prices you're already paying 10k, 20, or 30k more than what you'd buy a new ICE vehicle for. So while you larp you pay nothing for fuel, you're still paying that extra 10k, 20k, or 30k just to have an EV, so it really doesn't make any difference. You're still paying more.And you could make the argument "well your ICE vehicle will need $1500/yr in gas if you drive regularly" and yes that's true. Except my ICE vehicle can be refueled anywhere, works flawlessly in all weather, and I can bring additional fuel with me in fuel cans, and travel farther on a single tank of gas versus the average EV range on a single charge.Also 80% of my car's functions are not controlled by an iPad on the center dash. My car has lots of buttons that don't freeze or slow down when trying to perform basic functions that cars have had for 40 years.
>>542069584If it doesn't have a manual transmission, I don't want it.
>>542080733they have not fully learned from asians and usa, however they crashed real estate bubble trapthey tried to follow "fiat" path printing money and giving all those funds to their friends close to government (just like in usa)it resulted in feudal elements in capitalistic system which totally destroyed their birthratebecause natural responce from market is to reduce number of chilren so make remaining one millionaires
>>542074993if a jeet hits me they will be hitting a tank
>>542073490also in the winter its nice to have something producing 550,000 BTUs an hour of waste heat so i can take just a tiny portion of it for my cabin and it effects nothing and does not "reduce my range"
>>542073657>>542073866doe the government of china employ any strategies to help BYD like america does for their automakers
>>542075170>the $35k price point is the American entry point for cars.no, americans demand cars for WAYY cheaper but then again, america doesnt make cars anymore we make trucks and suvs
>>542073371>HERP ERRP DERP PERP *BRAAAAAP* HERPLOL fucktard
>>542083653Well they employ their spies to steal technology.
>>542069584maybe if diesel wasnt at 2.5€/l we wouldn't need electric cars. These retards do everything to promote China.
>>542069697Agriculture is mostly local market though. Subsidizing exports is another matter. Surely you agree.
>>542083951Can spies build entire supply systems and vertically integrated cities where most of the components are made in the same province or along the coastline or river/canals and efficiently transported between areas?America stole British, German, and French IP to get off the ground during our Industrial Revolution. It's copium to say that's the only reason why China and to an extent East Asia are industrial powerhouses.They're just better at planning manufacturing, infrastructure and supply chains.
>>542069697americans give handouts to farmers to create corn that gets promptly converted to HFCS and ethanol
>>542069697The entire world adopted the quietly Soviet agricultural system way back in the 40s. We haven’t had a free market food system in forever which is why food has been more affordable than ever
>>542069584>>542069697Chinese "subsidies" are just communism applied to industry>they have cheap or free energy!Because they're supplied by a public owned company that doesn't mind operating at a loss to promote local industry>they have cheaper rare earths!Because they're supplied by a public owned company that doesn't mind operating at a loss to promote local industryAnd so on.Capitalism just folds and LOSES when socialism is allowed to trade
>>542084154> better at planningI actually dont think this is good for Chinks in the long run. Made in China policy will bite them back in the dick the same way housing bubble did. It's an economy that relies heavily on exports yet is increasingly trying to cut out all the imports. Once other countries no longer benefit from Chinese market, they'll start tariffing Chinese goods up the ass or outright stop buying them. A healthy economy builds mutual trade relationships.Trump had the right idea about trade deficits, the only problem is that their math is all retarded. US' biggest export is services (tech, banking, payment systems) and it appeared nowhere in their calculations.
>>542079190I prefer my car being made by local certified beans than illegal non-certified beans in the US
These Chinese sanctions and tariffs and shit suck. China is open to cooperation. Just cooperate with China.>>542072395The cost. BYD is better on cost, and in some cases might be better in regard to battery performance. BYD has had some reports of battery explosion, which in a motor vehicle is pretty fucking terrifying, but, the safety has improved.
>>542082349>a total render beastPointless nowadays if you are just doing commercial work
Literally every car company in existence right now has gotten state subsidies at some point.VW was literally created by Hitler, Toyota was tasked to rebuild post-war Japan.But oh no, the Chinese can't do that!
>>542069584Just like Android is poor man's iPhone, BYD is poor man's Tesla. Get your chinaman today.
>>542086767You're just mad no one wants to buy jeet cars. Your gayass jaguar makeover got laughed out of the market while your landrovers are known for being absolute overpriced trash. Meanwhile China took MG and made it great again.
>>542069584ah yes the famous chinky quality
>they are manipulating the price!or maybe it simply never was worth 70k.for a lot of people, 70k means they'd have to spend every single working hour they will perform that year into obtaining this car (assuming taxes are not a thing), completely disregarding food, shelter, clothing and so on.so some 2000 hours.From what I found, a reasonable estimate for the amount of man hours going into the production of a car, all the way from mining the resources to assembly, is 200.
in reality its more of a 12k car that you gotta pay 35k for, because of tariffs
>>542069584Hes got WEF, a contagious pathogen that will destroy all that you love. Think scopolamine for the corporate class.They do it to themselves, they do, and thats what really hurts.
>>542069584i dont get what his point is obviously america is going to keep trade barriers up so are autos dont get priced out even though they're basically just trucks for a business expense at this point protectionism in america just makes them uncompetitive because theres nothing attached to it like if you need protection you have to do xyz not just do stock buybacks
>>542087718Morris garage is poor man's Jaguar.
>>542072568China numba won amiwhite guys
>>542073944>33,50 Ct/kWhThis is price in Germany for not complete shitty contract and company. In US dollar it will be 39 Ct/kWh.I just silently wait for social system collapse.
>>542089233>I just silently wait for social system collapse.The only thing I hope for is that it's at least the parasitic system that collapses, rather than everything else being sacrificed to prop it up for a few more months.
>>542089511>rather than everything else being sacrificed to prop it up for a few more monthsThis is already happening with new "reforms"? Moreover Merz promises further "reforms".
>>542069584Yeah no fucking shit. You have to have feces for a brain if you buy G*rman or Am*rican cars in 2026.Chinese EVs go circles around them in price, features, amenities, build quality. The Chinese solved all the EV issues, they can now charge in 10 minutes or less. If you absolutely need internal combustion for a truck, go Japanese.
>>542073039das crazy, nigger, it's electricity, your car stops working if water goes above a level.i dont believe you.
>>542090372depending on how the vote in SA turns out today, I could very well see him being yeeted from office before he can come up with any new reforms (as far as I remember, the old ones haven't passed parliament yet, either).not because that would actually save the CDU's ass, their doom is already sealed. but just because the party grunts will be panicking over all the seats they lose (and the fat paychecks associated with it) and lashing out
>>542069697So are our EVs
>>542073324>Free market doesn't exist and is just as much as a fairy tale as communism because both ideas are for uneducated retards who can't understand a complex situation but need to voteSo we require state central planners in order to exist?
>>542072560>11 have gone poofThe only poof here is the lying one, >>>(You)
>>542069584>>542072560>>542074224>>542080733When will you creatures shut the fuck up and stop acting so uppity?
>>542069584Imagine feeling safe in a Chinese made car.
>>542089233It's still cheaper than gas. Here in Montenegro electricity is 10 Cents per KwH, no wonder the local taxi company bought a shit load of BYD. By the end of the year, they will more or less phase out all gas driven cabs, it's simply idiotic if the electricity price is so low.
>>542073039>he fell for the solid state battery memelmao, we're you also an early investor into Theranos?
>>542091466now show them having gay sex.>>542089151reminds me of the cybertruck cutting off fingers lol
>>542072560Didn't a whole ship full of them go poof?
>>542073039Only compartamentalizing batteries as hull in a ship can solve it, crushed batteries short circuit, they should deal with it as flooding in a breached hull
>>542069584Seems like Trump, being low IQ nigger himself, made sure that no one in his admin is actually smarter than him.
>>542073490>Sorry hun, can't pick up the kids and drive them to practice today, have to run the weekly supply through the 2nd filter or it goes bad.....
>>542093046>cybertruck cutting off fingersWhen an african makes a car it has the cut off limbs feature build in, instead of an ashtray. Fuck smokers.
>>542072532I want a W124 S600 so bad
>>542094390Thermal runaway is too fast desu. You need to shoot the 'hull' out like those ejectors that we had video clips of for a while here
>>542069697if you call artificially suppressing the price of their product 'subsidized'1970:>ford pickup $5000>bushel of wheat $3.102020:>ford pickup $80,000>bushel of wheat $3.89
>>542094476several diesel enthusiasts have automated the process with pumps and rotational separation. once set up most effort goes into finding and collecting 'old' oil. and once sources are established this is a pretty sweet thing.
>>542069584https://youtube.com/shorts/Cf38Dh2thZ4
>>542073039>we can cheat physics by making our batteries more solid.No way you put hundreds of kilowatt hours in a car without it being flammable.
