I believe that black Americans are, to a large degree "native" to America. I came to this conclusion through a combination of genealogical research and occum's razor.I get called a "pretendian" and highly criticized for this. Why do people want to force an African identity on people that aren't actually african?
>>542124358*occam
Retard nigger
>>542124456You know I'm right
>>542124358
>>542124358What do you mean by "native"?
>>542124358Yeah the trans-atlantic slave trade story is fake. It was created by jewish immigrant named melville herskovits.
>>542124358>nigger's are spear chucking cherokees and sioux.What does this change?
Niggers pretending to be redskins who accidentally got named after jeets is some clown world delish
>>542124358Go back to Africa. Kikes brought you here for profit.
I can beat your ass nigger. Go back to your tranny thread. Fucking nerd
>>542124950they was wagon burners n shieet
>>542125515It changes alot. You have no idea how much academia, media, and even tourism is invested in the validity of the transatlantic slave trade story.
>>542125658That's basically a fairy tale. The transatlantic slave trade theory was created by a Jewish immigrant named Melville Herskovitz.
>>542124358Nigga what the fuck is you talmbout
>>542124358I don't know.
>>542125753Can you read?
>>542125736You have to go back.
>>542125815Yes but your source is a fat sack of fentanyl
>>542124358>>542124399It's O'Cum. The real life O'Cum was a philosopher and mental masturbateur who advocated simplicity in wanking ("Wank fast, don't try to last") and came from a long line of Irish wankers.
>>542124358Their ancestors literally arrived on Jewish ships after their fellow west Africans raided their tribe and sold them off.
>>542124358The only people native to America were the Tartarians and they were absorbed by various European and Asian tribes over 34,000 years ago. "Native Americans" are just central Asians.
Faggot nigger
>>542124358black people in America are also part European. Ultimately, I dont think black Americans should deprive themselves of their history as foundational characters at the formation of this country. Many black people have been on this continent for 400 years like us whites. We may even be related in some cases. I know my family name has been in this country since the pilgrams originally came from England, but I still call blacks who share my name family.
>>542126072Thank you daddy
>>542124358>I believe that black Americans are, to a large degree "native" to America. No, not to a large extent.>I came to this conclusion through a combination of genealogical researchNo, you did not.>and occum's razor. Lol.
YOU A FAGGOT KANYEYOU CAN'T RAPYOU A BITCHAND YOU A FUCKING NERDSO GO POST MORE NIGGER PORNYOU UGLY ASS TURD
>>542126059Except there's very little physical evidence to support that theory. And it requires a ton of absurd assumptions.
>>542126164What's the truth then?
FUCK YOUR UGLY CHINESE LOOKING ASS DAUGHTER TOOCORNY ASS NIGGERGO CHOKE ON SOME CORN STARCH CHIEF RIDES WITH SIRENS
NOBODY THINKS NIGGERS ARE COOL ANYMORE RAP IS A JOKEKIDS ARE WEARING NORMAL SIXED PANTS ANF GOING TO SCHOOLYOU LOST CORNFED ASS BITCH
>>542124358Black Americans are newly indigenous to a strip of the American South, but most of their ancestry is undeniably from Subsaharan Africa.
>>542126250The most likely scenario is that some africans were imported to the americas via legit and illegal naval operations(piracy). The indigenous Americans mixed with the imported africans and European settlers to create a tri-racial creole people only found in the americas.
UGLY GREEDY FAGGOT NIGGERS ARE GREEDYTHATS WHY THEY STEAL FROM HOMELESSTHATS WHY THEYRE 600 POUNDS BECAUSE THEY CANT STOP EATING LIKE. A FUCKING DOG
>>542126431>but most of their ancestry is undeniably from Subsaharan Africa.That is not what the genealogical records indicate. Upon scrutiny 23&me has substantial methodology issues, particularly when it comes to black Americans.
The Transatlantic Slave Trade was a system that lasted mainly from the 1500s to the 1800s in which millions of African people were kidnapped, enslaved, and transported across the Atlantic Ocean to America. Enslaved people were forced to work on plantations, farms, and in homes under cruel and dangerous conditions. European traders exchanged goods for enslaved Africans and sold them in America for profit. The trade caused enormous suffering, separated families, and had lasting effects on Africa, America, and Europe.
AND THEY STEAL IDENTITIES TOO BECAUSE THEY DID ANYTHINGTHOUSANDS OF YEARS OF SITTING ON DEY FAT STINKIN ASSES THATS ALL NIGGER HISTORY IS. GO GET MAULED BY A LION BITCH
>>542126605That's dogma atp. Pretty much everything in your paragraph is based on assumptions that are not conclusively proven.
NIGGERS RUIN EVERYTHING THEY TOUCHTHEY ARE A BIOWEAPON CREATED BY SATAN NOT GODFUCK ENOCH ANOTHER LYIN ASS NIGGER
>>542126447Some blacks are genuinely mixed with natives, but most blacks aren't because the vast, vast majority of natives were gone by 1800 which was also right after the height of the transatlantic slave trade. Most blacks with native ancestry were raped by their Cherokee/Creek/Seminole/whoever owners (Five Civilized tribes owned a lot of blacks as slaves).
>>542126080>massa was named jeffason>steal dat name and sheeeit>i is tyrone jeffason and sheeeeit>u wypeepo with last nam jeffasun r now us nigga cusinz and sheeeeit
>>542126447So you are saying that Black people in America are MOSTLY indigenous? That Native Americans had FEW African admixture? So, you would say the slave trade did not bring over MILLIONS of Africans? A Black person is mainly Native American, and genetic testing can't account for this?
>>542124358So does that mean the Boers are native to Africa?
>>542126587Imperfect data collection doesn't negate the obvious truth that you really just need a working brain with a pair of eyes to see. African Americans are Ex-African.
Before the 1950sThere was more than one continent model in use. Some American geography books treated America as one continent, containing both North and South America. A notable example was Hendrik Willem van Loon’s popular Van Loon’s Geography (1937), which used a five-continent model: Asia, America, Africa, Europe, and Australia. Scholars Martin Lewis and Kären Wigen note that treating America as one continent remained fairly common in the U.S. until around World War II.After the 1950sThe model changed in the United States. By the 1950s, American geographers increasingly treated North America and South America as separate continents. Antarctica was also added, producing the seven-continent model commonly taught in U.S. schools today: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia/Oceania, and Antarctica. In short:Before ~1950: America could be 1 continent (with North + South America together).After ~1950: North America and South America increasingly became 2 separate continents in U.S. education.The change was gradual, not an official worldwide change in a specific year.
>>542126912Some africans were imported to the Americas, but not nearly as many as the narrative says.The problem with the genetic testing is that the tribes they descend are "extinct" on paper, so there is no reference panel for those tribes, the missing DNA is filled in by african connections due in large part that the TAST theory is baked into the methodology. This is why for alot of blk americans it will say something like 80% sub-saharan african, yet they won't have any family matches in sub-saharan africa.
>>542126965It does, just not as native as certain other groups like the Zulus, but still native in their own right. One would have to be a fool to not recognize South Africa as having an indigenous white population.
My favorite thing about "foundational black Americans" is the theory fundamentally originates from niggers not knowing who their fathers are.
>>54212658723&me is wrong how? You would say Black people don't have African ancestry?
>>542127161From what I see, most black Americans don't really look african especially those that are "heritage American" type of black Americans.
>>542127259What does "some" mean exactly? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions?
>>542127373By "prettier" they mean more European.
>>542127375Estimates state 380,000 made it to what would later become the United States. Not really sure how they're coming up with that number tho.
The plantation economy meant most blacks lived on the coast or by rivers that Indians had fled before whites settled there, others lived in the cities doing domestic work, not a lot of interaction unless they were sold to Injuns or escaped into the wilderness
>>542126965In the objective sense of the word "native", yes.
About 12.5 million Africans were forcibly transported across the Atlantic during the transatlantic slave trade, and about 10.7 million survived the journey and were brought to the Americas.So, a simple figure to use is about 11 million Africans brought to America.
>>542124358FUCK OFF NIGGER!!!
>>542124358>we wuz natives an sheitEven other Browns are not safe from the nigger menace.
>>542127466Enslaved Africans were re-exported from the Caribbean to what became the United States, although the scale was much smaller than the direct transatlantic trade.After arriving in the Caribbean, some enslaved people were transported onward to mainland North America, including the British colonies that later became the United States. This happened particularly during the 1600s and 1700s. Enslaved people could also be moved between Caribbean islands and the mainland as part of the broader intra-American slave trade.So, when historians estimate the number of Africans brought to the Americas, some people who ultimately ended up in the United States had first arrived in the Caribbean. This is one reason estimates can differ depending on whether they count the initial Atlantic voyage or later movements within the Americas.
Just understand that the Elite are Black and they use white people as their minions, the reconstruction of history was a means to serve larger agendas because context is necessary to maintain the foundation of lies to currently propagate in this current matrix theyve built
Illegal trafficking of Africans into the United States continued into the Civil War era, but it was very limited compared with the earlier slave trade.The clearest example is the Clotilda, which secretly brought 110 African captives to Alabama in 1860, just before the Civil War began. The captives were illegally enslaved, and they remained enslaved until the end of the Civil War in 1865. The National Park Service also notes that thousands of Africans were still brought illegally into the United States into the 1860s, despite the federal ban on importing enslaved people.
>>542127690>intra-American slave trade.Those people were, for the most part, American Indians who lost conflicts with colonists and rival tribes. South Carolina, for example, exported more enslaved people than it imported.
>>542124358you cant save cananader-stan
>>542127907Would you say there are Africans and their descendents in the Caribbean? In places like Jamaica? You are saying the Black people in the US are not similar?
>>542127907So Black people are mostly "American Indians"? How is 23&me wrong then?
>>542128192The problem with the genetic testing is that the tribes they descend are "extinct" on paper, so there is no reference panel for those tribes, the missing DNA is filled in by african connections due in large part that the TAST theory is baked into the methodology. This is why for alot of blk americans it will say something like 80% sub-saharan african, yet they won't have any family matches in sub-saharan africa.
The average African American in the U.S. might expect roughly 75–85% African ancestry, 15–25% European ancestry, and 0–2% Native American ancestry, though results vary significantly from person to person.
>>542128346What tribes? The African tribes back in Africa? The slaves came from many different tribes and intermarried.
The average African American in the U.S. would generally expect:About 75–85% African ancestry, predominantly West and West-Central African.About 15–25% European ancestry.A small amount of Native American ancestry on average, often around 0–2%, although it varies considerably between individuals and regions.
>>542128346>predominantly West and West-Central African.How is this possible then?
>>542128096I'm half Jamaican. My great(x) grandfather bought a plot of land that he built a sugar plantation on. The people that worked on the plantation came with the land purchase. They were not brought on ships, they were already living on the land purchased. In the deed they are called "creoles". Where they came from, originally, im not exactly sure. His wife was an African woman who he picked up while anchored at an African trading post. The deed in question was from 1738.
The claim confuses a real limitation of genetic testing with an unsupported conclusion. Some Indigenous American groups are poorly represented in reference panels, which can make ancestry estimates less precise. However, there is no evidence that missing Indigenous DNA is simply classified as African because the transatlantic slave trade is “baked into” the methodology. DNA ancestry estimates are based on genetic similarity to reference populations, and the lack of African family matches does not disprove African ancestry because DNA matching depends on who has tested and how closely related they are. Independent genetic studies consistently find substantial African ancestry among African Americans, so the claim that their African ancestry is largely a testing artifact is not supported.
>>542128515No. Tribes like the Yamasee and Taino. There's no reference panel for "natives" of the american south and the Caribbean, because officially they are deemed "extinct".
>>542128346The claim is partly right about a real limitation of ancestry testing, but the main conclusion is unsupported.DNA companies do use reference panels, and some Indigenous American populations—especially smaller or historically disrupted communities—are less well represented. That can make ancestry assignment less precise.But there is no evidence that “missing” Indigenous DNA is simply converted into African ancestry because the transatlantic slave-trade model is built into the algorithm. The algorithms compare DNA segments against multiple reference populations and assign the statistically best-supported ancestry; they can also report DNA as “broadly” or “unassigned” when there isn't enough evidence for a more specific assignment.
>>542128635The sub-saharan connection is a filler essentially, in this case. If you send a sample of your dog's saliva to the company they will tell you he's 70% Nigerian.
The absence of African family matches does not contradict African genetic ancestry. Ethnicity estimates and DNA-relative matching answer different questions. A person can inherit substantial African ancestry while having few or no detectable matches to people currently living in Africa, because matches depend on who has tested, how closely related they are, and how much DNA remains shared after many generations.Most importantly, independent genome-wide research has found substantial African ancestry among African Americans. A study of 5,269 self-identified African Americans estimated an average of 73.2% African, 24.0% European, and 0.8% Native American ancestry. Bottom line: limited reference panels can cause regional misclassification or uncertainty, but that is very different from saying that African ancestry is artificially manufactured to fit the transatlantic-slave-trade narrative.
>>542128794For Jamaicans of predominantly African descent, genetic studies generally find:76–92% African ancestry1–20% European ancestry0–9% Native American/Asian ancestryOne study specifically estimated 84.4% African, 12.4% European, and 3.2% Native American on average. Results vary substantially by individual and by Jamaican population.Jamaican ancestry is also strongly associated with West African populations, particularly along the Gold Coast and Bight of Benin, rather than being simply a generic “Sub-Saharan African” signal.
>>542128794>Jamaican ancestry is also strongly associated with West African populations, particularly along the Gold Coast and Bight of Benin, rather than being simply a generic “Sub-Saharan African” signal.
>>542129060>self-identifiedThat study includes african immigrants, that makes it invalid. If the sample was taken from a place like the Bronx, for example, ethnic black Americans are a minority of "black" people in that area.
>>542129016Do you look "Black" or "African"? Have people ever confused you for a dog or a lizard?
>>542129333"Black" is an inconsistent social concept. In the United States, I'm categorically consider black because of the legacy of the "one drop rule". Outside of the United States, I've never been called black or African or even considered as such.
>>542129264>genome-wideFor a population, “genome-wide” means researchers analyze DNA variation across most of the genome from many individuals in that population, rather than relying on a few genetic markers.For African Americans, a genome-wide study means analyzing thousands or millions of DNA variants across the genomes of many African American individuals to estimate their overall ancestry and identify genetic connections to African, European, Native American, and other populations.
>>542129557So how did they screen out recent african immigrants? They didn't. So it's not airtight. To get an irrefutable picture you'd have to study our dead grandparents remains.
>>542129525So you look "Black"? Do you have curly or straight hair? Could you pass as "White"? You are half-Jamaican and half-what, White? Have you ever taken a DNA test?
>>542129758>screen out recent african immigrants? Why? If you match with them, it's a data point. It means something.
>>542129785I can't pass as white. Black, within america, originally meant, "not white passing". Both sides of my family are multigenerationally mixed.
>>542129943So you are Creole?
>>542129902There's a specific group of people in question. The melanated Americans that date back to the colonial era, not recent african immigrants.
>>542130014Yes
This woman is full blooded Lakota but she just looks Mexican
>>542130039So your ancestors weren't recent African immigrants, they were earlier African immigrants correct? and they mixed with Europeans, and maybe Native Americans?
>>542124358I see you watched American Maroon, too.
>>542128794From what I remember from Lothrop Stoddard's book on the Haitian Revolution "Creole" in the 1800s usually just meant born on this side of the Atlantic and could be of any race, but not pure native.
>>542130162They weren't immigrants at all. There was no United States yet to immigrate to. Of my documented ancestors I've only found 1 african, a woman. Although I do believe I have more, but they aren't documented.
>>542130585>His wife was an African woman Have you taken a DNA test?
Indians were well documented as they were slaughtered. Niggers we're not slaughtered but should have been. Also, Indians drink whiskey. Niggers drink Hennessy. Stop making shit up, OP.
>>542130753No.
>>542124358>I believe that black Americans are, to a large degree "native" to AmericaNiggers are beyond retarded kek
>>542124358We wuz natives
>>542124358Why do indigenous Alaskans look like Japanese ppl?
>>542124358kys nigger-pigskin faggot
>>542124358I'd let her smoke my peace pipe if you know what I mean
>>542131189They were Siberian Asiatics who crossed over a land bridge during the ice age
>>542124358There is a picture of a woman, drawn by either a Christopher Colombus crew member or another very early European arrival, purporting to show a native girl who is clearly black.
>>542131510That is such bullshit That trip would not have been possible due to frostbite of the toes and feet. Also, sub-Saharan Africans did not miracle themselves across the Sahara to build pyramids in Egypt
>>542124358OP is practicing his Jewish izzat (chutzpah) by pretending that niggers are indigenous to the US and therefore only European people's are "living on stolen land".The Jew is so tiresome and obvious at this point that I can spot them and their intentions from a mile away.
>>542126080my family's been here a bit over 150 and for that I'm glad. don't think any would share my family name
>>542131827They probably used kayaks and just followed game along the glaciers, melting glaciers can provide fresh water and with 20 hour long days you can cover a lot of ground.
>>542124950I think he means that niggers are a special ethnicity that emerged in America due to race-mixing and inbreeding, and they have little in common with any particular African race.If you go to Africa, you will find plenty of savages, but nothing quite like an American Nigger.
