I am a white male and my girlfriend and I are not going to have children. I've genuinely never heard a good reason why I should.Reasons I don't want them:>#1 I want to spend my time doing other things that aren't going to school plays, sitting through school sports, or changing diapers.>#2 There are already too many people on the planet and material conditions seem to be getting worse. I don't see why I would want to bring a child into that world.>#3 They cost a shit ton of money.Reasons I've been told I should have them:>#1 Some vague explanation that our purpose in life is to reproduce for God or something.»>#2 Our economy needs more workers.»>#3 Our race needs more people.»All of these reasons seem retarded to me. Does anyone on /pol/ actually have a better argument for why I should have children?
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>>542128022You might be the dumbest person on the planet. This isnt wven a demoralization thread. Im literally just asking if anyone has a good reason or is it just astroturfed hysteria so corporations can have easy access to cheap labor
>>542127845>>542128239If you have to ask, you’ll never know.Enjoy!
>>542127845The purpose of life IS to create more life. Irrespective of any notions of God.The meaning is up to you, but without a doubt the purpose is certainly procreation.
>>542128309Please have at least an iq above 75 to respond to my question. My working theory is only people with mid double digit iq's and the elites care about the birth rates. There is no rational reason why anyone should care. If tou want kids cool if you dont cool. The hysteria is obviously astroturfed by the stupidest talking heads in our society.
Line must go up to protect hebrew profit margins. That's it, that's the whole reason. To consume the slop.If westerners won't do it that's okay. Asia is already replacing you.
>>542128418If thats the purpose then life is fake and gay. many people should obviously not reproduce (re: lindsey clancy) and I am very fulfilled in my life with the relationships I have. I have never once felt like my purpose was to reproduce.
>>542128742Yeah, we kinda put a huge wrench in the whole natural selection thing, what with antibiotics and seatbelts and such... Not kidding, I genuinely believe that. But, it doesn't change the fact that procreation is the chief driving force of life.
>>542127845Its a cliché but it seems to be dawning on me that its about the experience itself, teaching them how to do things, taking care of them, the interactions -good and bad, routine, feeling safe together, etcIts life There are favela niggers who live by garbage heaps that are having kids, many people have gotten rich off the methods they developed to provide for their kids....What other things do you want to do?
>>542128963I agree with that to an extent where if you only use a darwinian/materialist analysis of the purpose of life, then yes that makes sense. but I still dont think that explains the public hysteria about birthrates, it explains why people become incels and that makes more sense
>>542127845It's not that birthrates are not stable (or rising) it's that WHITE BIRTHRATES are falling.For all their brainwashed political correctness, everybody with a brain (most white men) know that ONLY whites (and possibly northeast asians) can create and maintain a prosperous functional technological society.As the WHITE birthrates fall, and are replaced with brown retards, so too will all white societies fall; victims of jewish brainwashing.Notice, it's never the elites or capitalists who care about this. For every white baby not born, they will just import two mexicans, a muslim, and a nigger to take it's place.
>>542127845to understand that you need to learn how Capitalism works and how Capitalism can only work with constant growth of taxpayers. before when people had morals it would mean citizens, now it just means bodies.
>>542127845more goys and foreskin for the jewsif you have kids protect them from jews
>>542127845>Can Someone explain why there is so much Hysteria about the BirthratesBecause this is the first time in human history that there's more old people on Earth than young people.This problem is affecting nearly every nation on Earth, and it is entirely a product of social engineering. It is not natural. Women were convinced that having children is bad, and that they should chug birth control and nerve pills instead of having babies. This is going to have a disastrous outcome in the long term, and there isn't a democracy on the planet going to survive the fallout. It is absolutely inevitable a crash will occur, followed shortly thereafter by a total rollback of all women's rights. Probably forever.
>>542129164I live a life where I work seasonal jobs with extremely high hours and then take months off to travel and go on /out/ style adventures. I just dont think my personal lifestyle is conducive to raising kids and being a good father to them and I think thats fine. I think it would be worse if I had kids because I would either be absent in their lives or resent them for taking away my freedom.
>>542129466>Because this is the first time in human history> first time in human history> in human historyI hope you do realize how stupid you sound and why opening up your blog post with that is not a good idea if you want anyone to bother reading past it. waste of doubles
>>542127845visit nursing homes hangout with them and speak with them go to rich ones and poor ones surprisingly most of them had kids and still ended up there still they love the idea that they will live on forever via kids sounds kinda selfish and weird to me but it gave their life meaning. being able to mold someones mind to shape it as you wish is a pretty crazy thing thats why females go into teaching they love to embed their crazy shit ideas to young kids and get to go home to no responsibility for that. fuckng and having a kid is something retards can do so its not a high iq thing so overall id say it has to do with the spirit of man whatever that means. not having kids also seems sorta selfish btw its something you need to figure out for yourself and just go for it knowing that no matter what you pick there will be times you will regret it all and other days you will feel nothing about it. either way it will be too late. anyone that tells you to have kids should then become responsible for raising them and those that say you shouldn't should be responsible for you at old age.
>>542129415This is the style of hysteria I was alluding too, thank you anon. Yes, its not just white birthrates, its birthrates among the entire devolved world (which includes eastern Asia). But when were gone, why are you worried about Civilization. I also dont think they modern world system is sustainable and I think its going to collapse with or without whites.
>>542129601You're brown so I can disregard your post without a thought.
>>542129466Look at a population curve over the history of humanity and then I would argue since the onset of the industrial revolution we have entered uncharted territory so if anything we should be expecting a major population collapse anyway with or without more children
>>542127845As someone who wasn't interested in having children but ended up having children, I can tell you they do give meaning to your life. It actually depends on having the right wife, though. As negative, I can also tell you that children in the US are a luxury item, and you will realize that you will need to pay for a private school after you see the disaster that is a US public school. On the plus side, children are the reason we live. I get it now, but as I said, it depends on your wife. If you don't want kids with her, she is probably the wrong person for you.
>>542129510Well there you go, thats reasonable. Besides, you can just have kids after you become too old to go on adventures. Just be rich enough to afford a youngwife and some person to wipe your and the kids ass
>>542129647Yeah that makes sense, im not against anyone choosing to have kids and I think for many people it brings them meaning. But i also think there are many people who should not reproduce and they still do. The societal level hysteria seems extremely weird to me though.
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>>542129674lol, you got exposed, tranny. immediately went to ad hominem the moment called out
>>542129348Good news for you, most males don't get to pass on their genes. So, I wouldn't worry about it.I've had four kids, so I'm set.I would never try to convince you to have children. Makes no difference to me, and frankly many MANY people shouldn't pass on their genes. I'm just telling you why other people feel that way and say the things that they do. Even if they aren't conscious of the why. You know now.
>>542129466>followed shortly thereafter by a total rollback of all women's rightsOR, conversely, we abandon "the line must ALWAYS go up" bullshit in (((capitalism))).Everyone ITT should go look up the "black death" and it's effects. From 1300 to 1400 the black death killed nearly 50% of all people on earth.After it was over, there were opportunities that had never existed before.>only the best cropland had to be used for food production and crops could be rotated among unused fields.>nobles couldn't hold their serfs hostage because there was always a better noble they could run away to. The serfs started to "vote with their feet">With surplus food production and happy serfs there was lots of free time for intellectual pursuits and scientific discovery.Without the black death there would have been no Renaissance nor Enlightenment. Just a never ending grind of misery, like every shitskin country on earth, for all eternity.My concern isn't with birthrates directly but that for every white baby not born, (((capitalists))) will just degrade what we have built (with brown immigration) so that their profits will always go up, while all white nations are destroyed from within.I would be happy to live in a world with 50% less white people if there were 99% less brown people.
>>542130333#1 amazing trips#2 your missing my main point about the societal hysteria. I understand the urge on a personal level.
>>542130607>From 1300 to 1400 the black death killed nearly 50% of all people on earth.black death aka plague was not real, that's victors call that event. sometimes during that period normies got tired of feudal faggots get all the perks while everyone else suffers, so they rose up and murdered the elites. evidence:* immediately after humanity lost ability to build extravagant palaces with stone and all tech went to dark ages. * everyone was suddenly dressed nicely while roaming around aimlessly in stone cities. * SEARS catalogs of late 1800s of all the tech available via mail order* catacombs with bones of dead elites arranged to mock as a monument of ridding earth of the plaguefirst generations post purge were too dumb to continue using tech available at a time or educate self with all the books, lots of stuff got destroyed and forgotten, then little by little with education push by those like rotschild that either survived the purge or were leaders of the purge to immediately take advantage of all the unclaimed wealth.
>>542130655>>Societal hysteriaI explained that.The PURPOSE of life is to create more life. Everything we do, is solely to achieve that goal. It is deeply ingrained in our psyche.MOST of the people you are talking about have no idea, they just have a nebulous need to not only procreate themselves but to encourage others to do the same. If someone isn't doing it then they are not fulfilling their purpose.Think of it like this. There is a boss that has hired people to dig a hole. They are not digging the hole, they are just standing around and chatting. The boss is getting upset that they are not fulfilling their purpose.You're confused as to why the boss is upset.
>>542127845why do you have to sit through school sports? just drop them off,
>>542127845Because there are actual women banging their pets and are completely messed up on drugsThat’s my guess anyway
I will just relax and watch as the world turn to shit due to lack of kids
>>542127845The high IQ move is to not reproduce.
>>542132032How else do you think this >>542129842ends
>>5421278451. Having kids is a meaningful, and joyful experience for most people.2. You'll probably need someone to take care of you when you're old.3. A family is a kind of coalition. You can typically rely on your family (particularly sons) to support or further your goals in life. 4. Old age is lonely without a family. Only very rarely do people have friendships that last into old age. Honestly though? Yeah, choosing to have children in 2026 Western Society bis basically a guaranteed sentence of wage slavery + divorce. Not worth, imo.
>>542131982bestiality is based! I love double tapping my gf with my german sheppard named dingo
>>542127845Oh, no reason. No reason what so ever. So when you're too old to take care of yourself and vastly out numbered when the lights go out and the roving horde of foreigners come to take everything from you, you can just fill your mind with all those other things you wanted to do and all that money you saved. There wasn't enough people to maintain it after all, and no one's coming to save you. It will be terrible when they tear you apart and eat you alive but hey, you can die free of that genetic burden. Your line ends with you!
>>542127845>I've genuinely never heard a good reason why I should.So when you get old are you going to just MAID yourself? Do you think that is like an eternity from now?
>>542136564In America you can raise your kids for a whole lifetime and end up dying lonely in a nursing home. I would much rather kill myself once my quality of life decreased to a point where I couldn't take care of myself. I dont really see a point in living past that anyways and im not as attached to living as it seems like a lot of people who are terrified of death are. Losing my autonomy and rotting in a nursing home would be worse than death imo.
>>542134246>named dingoWe don't take kindly to cultural appropriation around here
>>542136742You just sound naive desu >#1 I want to spend my time doing other things that aren't going to school plays, sitting through school sports, or changing diapers.Delusional. You will be a wage cuck. You will come home tired and you will spend your entire evening bedrotting and/or eating out >#2 There are already too many people on the planet and material conditions seem to be getting worse. I don't see why I would want to bring a child into that world.You are in America, you have plenty of material options still>#3 They cost a shit ton of money.Poor people still manage to have kids somehowTruth be told, the diaper phase lasts about 3 years per kid. So maybe 5 years or so changing diapers in total with two kids. Once your kid can shit in a toilet and understand the space around him, it gets a hell of a lot easier. In fact, what you end up with is a kid you get to play vidya with. In my case, I bust out all my old consoles from the 90s and my kids can play with me basically longer than I can even manage. Also, I play roblox with them. you get to be a kid again and its fucking awesome. Today, I got my daughter to finally ride a bike without training wheels. Now I got a kid I can go biking with. Like you act like its all just hard work but truth be told kids give back waaaaaay more than what you put into them, and the hard phase when they are babies is short lived. You probably have fallen for common misconceptions around kids. Its the small things too, like watching my son enjoy my favorite foods. I could go on and on, but I pity everyone my age who failed to have kids.I mentally planted in my daughters mind that she wanted guinea pigs, she as two of them in her room. Truthfully, I just wanted them. lol, but she cares for them instead and loves them to death, and all I have to do is keep an eye and guide her. I also taught her to hate all the woke shit in school, and my son and I were watching Alex Jones this evening. Its truly glorious.
>>542136797file complaint with HR department at your local municipality, abo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt0NcaxmGHo
>>542137225if your kid is still shitting into diapers at 3 years age then you are raising a retard.
>>542140211I love how I can write all that and then this is the only response I will ever get in the end.You live in Germany that is punishment enough
>>542140515He's not wrong though. Your kid Should not still be in diapers at 3 years old. That's a sign of a mental defect or lazy/abusive parenting. What's next are you going to say it's totally okay for your kid to not talk after 6?
>>542140821>about 3 years>MENTAL DEFECT LAZY ABUSIVE PARENT REEEEEYou're both being obtuse fucking idiots. Why don't you try adding something to the conversation you fucking demons.
>>542141083>don't you dare point out that my child has a mental defect or that i'm a lazy/abusive parent REEEE!Someone had to tell you. I'm sorry it was /pol/ lol
>>542127845I have two sons and what keeps me up at night is what I can do to set them up in a way that they don't need to support all the childless subhumans in my age cohort once we're old.
>>542128239shitskin retards keep shitting out niglets on the dailywhite honkies can't even manage a replacement birthrate and rather just yos backwards it upDo you really want to live in a world with infinity shitty jeets? I don't, I'd rather live among more white people, but guess where white people come from! That's right junior, white mommys and daddys!
>>542141253Oh look, a triggered leftist demon mad that my kids don't fall for anti white propaganda
>>542129466Checked, but what you are failing to understand is that ((they)) did this on purpose and ((they)) knew this would happen. It's all planned, same as the con-vid, or did you reallyyyyyy think this was all just happening because of happen stance pfft you are a true goy if you think that, jews are right about the goyim.
>>542127845Wow. Very deep posts, OP. You sound like a very smart guy. Have you watched Rick n Morty? All the smart people I’ve ever met loved that show. I bet you’d like it too kek!
>>542141347>you're a demon!That's not how demons work lmao. Not surprised that along with not knowing how to raise a child you also don't understand Christianity
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>>542141519woah look out a demon just flew over your mentally retarded kid's house!
>>542127845I think it would be interesting to see a correlation between tax rates and birth rates. Think about it. You are a couple, paying 33% in tax, and you live on the other 67%. That 33% is another person worth of resources that your family doesn't have, -1 kid. If you are paying 50% tax, that is -2 children for the couple. So instead of having 2-3 kids, aka replacement level, you have 0-1 kid, and face a demographic doom spiral.So basically taxes for pensions and other social wealth redistribution policies, means less children, which is ironic because you need young people to support the system.So what do countries do? Mass immigration. Immigrant families get welfare to support their children, so instead of having 2-3 children they have 4-6 kids, and boom, demographic replacement.
>>542141549You're boring me demon
>>542141596>Demons somehow have more power than God and can operate in his domain with free will and they're using this power, that's again stronger than GOD himself, to tell me i'm a bad mother online!I see why you kid came out retarded. It runs in the family.
>>542127845The primary personal reason is because as human beings we have an innate need to vent paternal instincts. People have just found that doing so on pets is a far less risky, more freeing, and less expensive way to do so since kids cost most of your fucking income these days.The incels here who have never had the potential to become parents wouldn't get it. The shit is expensive time and money-wise. Until we fix that then the birthrate will stay below replacement.
>>542141553>Paying Taxes in 2026, when it is know the entire economy got shut down for multiple years and money was printed out of nothing and everything just carried on! The Jews are right about the GOYIM! They are RIGHT!!!!
I don't know about the histeria, but these mushrooms are wild bruh
>>542141667Wow thats pretty smart of you to say.
>>542141768>Stopped using demon as a insult after being proven wrongToo easy.
>>542141932>Gets really triggered being called a leftist demonGee, I wonder why?
>>542127845Well the biological argument is solid: passing your genes is the biological drive and imperative of every living being. The fact that humans refrain from just fucking like rabbits is the proof we rose above our animal nature.And this brings us to the jeet and nigger problem. You can't outbreed this vermin, and you can't outright genocide them either. So the whole "have white kids to save white race" propaganda is just dooming future generations to live in a more and more browned, polluted and retarded planet.My advice? Just live your life however you want. Don't have kids if you don't want to. The world is doomed anyway and in 200-300 years we will have 80 IQ planet of the apes no matter what we do. Unless every caucasian couple decides to have 5+ kids and raise all of them like literal hitler. Which woon't happen.
>>542142016>Gets really upset when you point out demons aren't more powerful than GodGee, I wonder why?
>>542127845because it is the fundament of every policy that imports more foreign workers
>I want to spend all my time jerking off and playing mario galaxy on my nintando swatch!You're a fucking selfish retard fucking kill yourself.
>>542142104>>Gets really upset when you point out demons aren't more powerful than GodNowhere in this thread did anyone say that demons are more powerful than God
>>542128239>I'm not going to post handgreat thread, jamboy
>>542128239>no handSage & report.
The reason it's a big issue is because most modernized civilizations have set up pension funds and hedged their bets on the value of things always increasing due to population numbers always rising steadily. The fact line goes down breaks to pyramid scheme of pension/social security models in virtually every country that has them unless you have infinite money printer of oil. Goverments know if Social Security/Pension funds tank basically every old person will give up on what usually is the democratic/liberal parties and run to the Right. Countries with large leftist parties are in a mad scramble to make line go back up at all costs even if if fucks them in what they think is the short term because "dem doctors and engineers" will pay taxes soon(tm).
>>542137225Roblox? Thats pedo central anon, and screens (unless it's documentaries or something that forces you to Orient yourself in a 3D space such as flight simulators) impede cognitive development. And if your kid likes your favorite foods your not exactly a gourmand. Still, good on you for having kids.
>>542127845The reasons why it's a problem is because it means an aging society. Aging society means many bad things:- fewer productive people per unproductive (old) people means you need to tax productive people more to sustain even old standards for elderly, meaning you worse lives for everyone, retirement ages get raised, etc- fewer younger women that get chased by men of older ages as well means insanely lopsided dating scene whereas women don't tend to date younger menthis also cascades into even worse birthrates as people fail to form couples- rural areas die out and people move out of them as they do, leading to more urbanization as everyone goes to big cities and paradoxically despite fewer people you have worse housing crisis, traffic congestion, etc- nobody ever takes away the rights of elderly to vote so there's fewer and fewer young voters per elderly voter meaning no politician in a democracy is able to do anything negative to elderly- this potentially cascades into a death spiral where these negative impacts make it so people don't want to have kids even more (because their lives are shittier)See south korea for the canary in a coal mine
>>542142530>Roblox? Thats pedo central anonThe game has parental restrictions> your not exactly a gourmand. No I'm not. My joy is in watching him eating a strip of bacon or a KFC drumstick, or wings, or ribs, or a steak, as I do.
>>542128418Using that logic, the purpose of life is to go extinct.
>>542142363I never said they were more powerful than God I just think that they can deify God and have free will in his domain to do whatever they want and they use this free will to go online and call me a bad mom!Again, I can see why your kid came out retarded and was still in diapers past 3
>>542142673>> your not exactly a gourmand.Oh crap.. yes I am
>>542142363>I never said they were more powerful than God I just think that they can deify God and have free will in his domain to do whatever they want and they use this free will to go online and call me a bad mom!Again, I can see why your kid came out retarded and was still in diapers past 3
>>542142752>Again, I can see why your kid came out retarded and was still in diapers past 3Citation needed
>>542127845>Can Someone explain why there is so much Hysteria about the BirthratesIf the average woman has fewer than 2.1 children, humanity goes extinct. More quickly than expected, even. Since it's "average" you can't point at a woman who had 3 and say "see, no problem"... because if other women only had 1 or even 0, then the average is below replacement/2.1 This is as planet-wrecking as a dinosaur-killer asteroid, and the odds aren't low. It's happening right now, you're too stupid to see it, and when you wake up to the terror-inducing truth of it in 15 or 20 years, it will be even more "too late" than it was yesterday. You can try to dispute it, but it just means you flunked 5th grade math.
>>542127845all public pensions and social security are underfunded and they don't want to face the piper so theyre going to blame it on the people, well if you did your duty and had kids we wouldn't have to import africa and the middle east
>>542137225>I bust out all my old consoles from the 90s and my kids can play with me basically longer than I can even manage.I thought the point of having kids was so you throw all that shit away. Fuck this gay ass board!
>>542143163Why would I throw out my old consoles? I am still buying games for them. I got smash bros 64 the other day and we were all playing it
>>542127845Creating children for the nation is a valid reason. You made this post thanks to society, the government. You drive a car, your house a leagues better than a cave or one made out of sticks. You drive roads, you have not had to hunt once in your life nor pick berries to survive. You do not fear other wild animals comimg for you nor you are afraid of your neighbor. There are two ways you pay for this: your contribution in labor (later taxes got added on top of it), and making children so the system perpetuates.That said the social contract has evolved in many ways over the years, like tthe already mentioned taxes but also other obligations like vax, millitary service for conquest not defense, education you contribute more etc. Arguably good things as they all serve the survival of the system BUT this also means the system must give back more as well, not just survival.And it has until it doesn't. Arguably it gives back less now than it did before while demanding more than it did before.The social contract is broken therefor you do not have to have kids. And I believe most everyone thinks this even if not conciously. If people are more satanic (selfish) thinking for themselves it means their needs are not met. It doesn't explain africa or india however (maybe it might if you argue satanism is so far gone there rapes and such is normalized)
>>54212784510,000 generations of human beings have worked and toiled to provide a stable environment to ensure the survival of the next generation, fighting desperately against each other, nature, and disease. And you want to shut that cycle down, effectively killing a portion of each ancestor you've ever had, because you wish to play video games and masturbate? You'll get bored of it eventually and then life will feel utterly routine and meaningless.You'll wake up in a decade realizing that all you needed to feel happy was the tiny hand of your baby, grasping your index finger in her fist as you bottle fed her. Watching her develop into a functioning, autonomous human being - putting in the effort to provide her better opportunities than you had - and recognizing that you did your part to help the human species succeed in our battle against the orcs who wish to pull us back to the nature dreamtime. We can conquer the stars and live forever, but only if you have white babies. So grow up, faggot.
>>542142820are you kidding me humans reflect, manipulate, and adapt to their environment extremely fast. If population gets too small society won't be able to protect females anymore and will revert back to father's bartering them like property again or females naturally needing a protector
>>542127845I agree. Faggots like you shouldn't have children.Enjoy your furbabies, funko pops, and cuckdom, soiboiiiii
>>542143919>are you kidding me humans reflect, manipulate, and adapt to their environment extremely fast.Semantically empty statement. "But it won't happen because hey we're special!!!!" = retard statement.Women either have at least 2.1 children on average, or humanity goes extinct. Any other outcome is mathematically impossible.>If population gets too small society won't be able to protect females anymoreFertility rates decline in such a collapse as that. When every child counts, it's the worst time possible for modern medical technology to go tits up... maternal mortality and infant mortality skyrocket. They won't start having 8 kids again. Rapey anarchy is an environment even worse fertility rates than the one we have now, which is really saying something.>will revert back to father's bartering them like property again Pathetic sexual fantasies of incels and pedophiles. Not a solution to the problem.
