I support Ukraine over Russia obviously but their future is looking extremely bleak.Population: from 50 million in 1990, to estimated 22–28 million today, half of that being old people. Even if they sign a peace treaty today, the Russians could still re-group and invade them again at any time aferwards with no consequences. How would you revive them to a functioning state?(hard mode: no outright annexation by Russia)
>>542144293What does a functioning state have to do with american interests?
there's a catch though - the same fucking thing is happening to Russia and they have a lot more enemies than we do
>>542144424u sure about that ?
>>542144293They have never been a functioning state. They have always belonged to another group. Russia was one group and Poland-Lithuania was the other group. The Ukranians I have met are dumb. They don't deserve a country, especially those who elected a penis piano player .Fun fact: Terminator 2 is older than the so-called"country" of Ukraine.
>>542144293>Even if they sign a peace treaty today, the Russians could still re-group and invade them again at any time afterwards with no consequences.sign a real peace that resolves all outstanding diplomatic issues between the countries which would be difficult for Putin to break. Get China and India involved to guarantee/mediate the settlement and provide peacekeepers.
could they . . . RETVRN ?
>>542144293fill it with nigs
>>542144293Why would a Polish person support the ethnic cleansing of the Polish diaspora in that region by a jewish despot? Parts of Ukraine used to be Poland pre-WW1. Ditto Hungary and Russia. Meanwhile "Ukraine" is less than 50 years old.Go be a lying piece of shit behind a VPN somewhere else you fucking kike.>>542144470Same goes for you. You sure have a big mouth not dying in a ditch to drones, don't you jew?
>>542144590u assume im a jew coz of my flag, that is an accurate assumption
>>542144293>I support Ukraine over Russia obviouslyEternal Pole not knowing his own best interest
>>542144293lol at how they temporally self own themselves by finally being forced to admit russia took crimea consequence free from them in 2014 when they weren't looking
>>542144293>the RussiansYes, cause it worked sooo well the 1st round.
>>542144293>obviously>checks flagoh you fucking literal nigger.
>>542144477>Fun fact: Terminator 2 is older than the so-called"country" of Ukraine.The only European country which is younger than Pookraina (meaning outskirts for fucks sake) is... well, North Macedonia >inb4 Montenegro and Kosovo
>>542144293It's too late now. They should have negotiated a peace treaty when they were on the offensive, the sanctions were fresh, and the rest of the world still gave a shit. Their only hope at this point lies in other European countries choosing to genuinely militarize and form a European replacement for NATO. But their retarded government is burning through so much good will that even that wouldn't necessarily help them anymore.
>>542144894>European countries choosing to genuinely militarize and form a European replacement for NATO.This is cope. Not happening in our lifetime
>>542144385>jewish interests?People don't not appreciate ewe enough.
>>542144888bulgaria should belong to turkey
>>542144578give chernigov also to russia, and you have decent map of new west russia with yellow
>>542144293Its all going according to plan, dont worry about it.
>>542144533But that would mean fulfilling Russian interests and we can't afford that
>>542144293Everyone around them annexes the whole place, so Ukraine no longer exists.
>>542144293Ignoring the pain and suffering of the people, the real problem is that the future of whole Europe including Ukraine is the replacement of the native peoples. Therefore it is pointless to fight for even something as dear as your land. Your land is going either way.>>542144799No consequences? I will never forget the oltermanni cheese prices of 2014. This was the most important thing to happen that year. Russians were desperately trying to smuggle Finnish cheese to Russia
>>542144293>How would you revive them to a functioning state?Yup it's going to be tough. Ukraine must do what Baltic states did in 1990s, but in much more hostile environment: eradicate post-soviet corruption, joining European/western structures etc.Good news is that Russia also won't be in great shape because after so many bridges with western partners/customers burned, it's economic prospects will be even worse than that in 1990s.With weak Russia, Ukraine has chance of take off Polish-style. However it's up to Ukrainians if they use that chance to wipe out corruption and secure their country. It's easy to point faults of Ukrainians and how they were fucking up their country for more than 3 decades, but look at picrel: Ukrainian economy was ready to take off several times since collapse of USSR, however each time Russia did something (Georgia, Crimea, open invasion) that was discouraging foreign investments and cooperation with rest of Europe. That Russian influence seems to be even greater problem than Ukraine's internal corruption and with war going on this problem is on it's way to be solved.
the only way ukranny can be saved if it becomes ukranny oblast'.
>>542145691why would you want Ukraine to become rich? they already proved to become a competitor with their grain kikery
>>542146344I want Ukraine to be stable, European country. Economic gains from having Poland's eastern border secured will be greater than competition on wheat production. Especially since as EU member, Ukrainian grain producers will need to meet exact same standards as we do.
>>542144293>How would you revive them to a functioning state?Why would anyone want to do that? The purpose of Ukraine is to kill as many Russians as possible before they die. Literally NOONE likes Ukrainians. Not even Ukrainians.Their entire government is Jewish. They literally only learned how to speak Ukrainian a few years ago and pushes Bandera to keep gullible Ukrainian retards dying for them.There are no bigger retards on the planet than Ukrainians. Let Darwin do his work.
>>542144424>the same fucking thing is happening to RussiaRussia's population is growing you fucking retard. And becoming whiter. Ukraine is being wiped out.
>>542144293Just give em some nukes
>>542147287Lol jewtin should just import All of its gorillions in diaspora instead of blowing up zigzogs.
>>542145691>Ukraine must do what Baltic states did in 1990s, but in much more hostile environment: eradicate post-soviet corruption, joining European/western structures etc.Do you even know why Ukraine is poor?>Good news is that Russia also won't be in great shape because after so many bridges with western partners/customers burnedIf Russia "wins" this war, Russia is sitting in great shape, while Europe is completely fucked.It's so annoying listening to people repeating retarded ass rhetoric without understanding how anything works.
>>542147384>Lol jewtin should just import All of its gorillions in diaspora instead of blowing up zigzogs.Can you kys instead of responding to me with absolute retardation.
>>542144293>How would you revive them to a functioning state?You stop receiving money.Poland, Romania and others start paying billions each year for EU funds for the Ukraine.
>>542147470Suck a bbc, kike. One thing is certain, there are less slavs alive rhanks to jewtin and his chabaf/kgb mafia.
>>542144293Just put nukes and defensive weapons there. It won't be invaded then.
>>542144293Non stop terror attacks inside of russia. Kill russian niggers.
>>542147540>One thing is certain, there are less slavs alive rhanks to jewtin and his chabaf/kgb mafia.And there are less whites alive because of the United States. Can you stop being a petty retard and say something worth hearing. You make me feel retarded just reading your stupid shit.
>>542144293>I support Ukraine over Russia obviouslynobody understands Poland's historical proclivity to make horrible self-harming decisions every turn of every centurytimes change but history repeats
>>542147606Nobody cares about mutts. Your own chabad mafia guy, agent Krasnov destroyed your reputation that was left after sleepy joe. Even europrans will celebrate your brazilification. Finish your proxy war, gringo
>>542147596>Non stop terror attacks inside of russia. Kill russian niggers.you're going to wish death upon russians, even though they haven't even attacked or harmed you in any wayand then you will scream muh imperialism once they come to give you an ass slapping for being an obnoxious chihuahua
>>542147737>Even europrans will celebrate your brazilification.You seem to be confused. America is a superpower. Europe are cucks. America is becoming Brazil by choice. Europe is becoming Brazil because they have no choice.
People saying - give them nukes, but how that would make Ukrainian state better? It would still be a dying corrupt shithole even worse than Russia.
>>542147846US is a hasbeen. A paper tiger drowning in debt. Your reserve currency is dead, bonds will be sold and global economt goes down. And no more oil and petrodollars. Sit down bitch and prepate to be a favela/tent monkey
>>542147886nobody is going to give them nukesthe best the west can achieve is station western nukes there, but the probability if Ukraine being allowed to have sovereignty over its own nuclear arsenal is below 0%
>>542147954>Your reserve currency is dead1) Not yet.2) It won't be replaced by Euros or any other European currency.3) If the US collapses, our vassals collapse with us.4) America has tons of natural resources. At worst America will pull back our empire to the Western Hemisphere.
>>542144293>I support Ukraine over Russia obviously.Nice story Schlomo.
>>542148104>America has tons of natural resources. At worst America will pull back our empire to the Western Hemisphere.Yes. Brazil expands. Replacement currency will be some international digital shitcoin. Brazil has and procrsses tons of resources, but they are still favela monkeys. And you'll be tent monkeys. Regarding global economy collapsing, its worth it just to destroy jewnitef states.
>>542144642A few months ago there was a report on the radio about a high end food store in Kiev, the kind that sells caviar and expansive shit that the proles would never be able to afford. They were saying how business was booming. Made me sick to think of those Jewish criminals with gold plates toilets embezzeling all the war funds and spending it on that shit while the BBC praises the luxury food shop.
>>542144965Au contraire Ahmet, turkey is part of BulgArya. Ataturk was Bulgarian you know.
>>542144293no wayukraine is just an example of new world, old states die and new empires emergein best case scenario part of ukraine will remain neutral elderly house, eurocucks will pay pensions to remaining population and it will be ruled by shared USA/Russia administration & capital as neutral state30 years later after they die / evolve russians will take over remaining land peacefully, nobody wants to put roasties, gibseekers and pensioners on own balance
>>542148232America isn't rich because of natural resources, retard. We are rich because of tech, military, and many other industries(plus finance).America is one of the few countries in the world that would survive just fine if the global economy crashed. The danger to the United States comes from within.
>>542144533The diplomatic issues between ukraine and russia are ukraine not being part of russia. Not very resolvable via peace treaty.
>>542148104usd can be replaced only by gold/silver reserve money, not currencyit will be going slowly in next 10-15 years, but its inevitablepeople will not trust any memetic currency anymore, especially europoor vassals europaper, europe is a trash place to make moneymoney is a printed freedom or imperial promise to become rich for motivated individuals and companies, thats how it worked during last 6000 years
>>542144293Perpetual front line automated by robots. Think of the profits that could be made!
>>542147287>Russia's population is growing you fucking retard. And becoming whiter.
>>542148532All i can say is that golden age is overm you now have a permanent fecal age where rich will be richer and you'll shoot up fent in a tent by your crackwhore
>>542148532>We are rich because of tech, military, and many other industries(plus finance).You are rich because of the Dollar....no other reason.If the Dollar is no longer the reserve currency...the US becomes Venezuela 2.0.FACT
>>542148660>it will be going slowly in next 10-15 years, but its inevitableNo. Its much sooner. And it will be a shitcoin backed by gold. Nobody is gonna be hauling tons of gold around. Plebs still get fiat shitcoins
>>542144293hypersonic missile attacks targeting oligarch properties
>>542147287>>542147384misconceptiononly slavs and mongoloids die, but not muslims, but they are contractors as in many cases those people already have children or just old, its their choicethere are no southern mercenaries because they are totally useless as soldiers, it well known that souther muslims, turks and central asians are mostly useless (with small exception)those mongoloids are siberian budhists, shamanists/tengrians or orthodox, decision to integrate them paid backso nothing changed, if you open 200 years old battles you will see same compotion of slavs and integrated mongoloids in russian army>>542148967it will not be shitcoins, nobody will tolerate any 3rd shitparty shitcoins go to trash, only gold/silver and hard assets , that is the only payment for real work or real delivery of somethingtons no, but kilograms/ounces yeshighly likely new currency system will have 2 frames with memetic corporate money for local economic zones and non memetic solid gold moneyyou use memetic money to buy groceries and stuff and non memetic for deals and accumulation
>>542149104>corporateimportant typostate-corporate money (just like today)
>>542149104CURRENCY will be backed by ENERGY OUTPUT. Those are old plans already. From Henry Ford to Elon Musks grandfather, all wanted energy based currency. But no currency will work when kikes are behind it. That's what bitcoin essentially is and why it came out after the financial crisis
>>542148660>usd can be replaced only by gold/silver reserve money, not currencyIt's impossible to get rid of fiat. Governments would have to live within their means.>>542148759I mean, over the short-term Russia's population has increased. But only because of millions of Ukrainians. Over the long-term, it's unclear. It really depends what happens in this war.>>542148874>All i can say is that golden age is overm you now have a permanent fecal age where rich will be richer and you'll shoot up fent in a tent by your crackwhoreThe current "world order" is collapsing. Everything will change. The danger to America comes from the tens of millions of spics in the American Southwest who shouldn't be here.>>542148959>You are rich because of the DollarWe were rich before the dollar, retard. Even during the Great Depression we were richer than everyone else. We were richer before WWI too. The only countries that have ever been richer than us are Britain and the Netherlands(other than some tiny irrelevant countries, mostly oil exporters).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yviYB08BsDI
>>542149203there is a difference between currency and moneymoney is a store of value, i used word money, not currencyenergy is not a store of value, its a commodityso we will have collapse of everything including population, then hard times will create proper money and new dawn>>542149312government will live within own means quite soon, goyim are finite and only goyim produce added value and profict can be extracted only from real goyimatm fiat is backed by non stop wars, ongoing wars do not allow central banks and exporters to switch to gold and silver in reserve ( its step one )but those wars actually triggered death of fiat
>>542149379>money is a store of value, i used word money, not currencyNigger, own nothing and be happy. You will store no value. You'll rent the things you can't afford.
>>542144293>How would you revive them to a functioning state?divide the country into factory zones and import foreign workers to 1 rebuild the zones in order of priority based on economic output 2 staff those zones to produce output to fund the rest, while obviously paying a share to the EU, UK and private investors. futurre Ukraine, if anything east of the Dnieper River belongs to the Ukraine, will be the first over Cyberpunk Corporate Wasteland where it is company town after company town with a single major economic activity based on exploiting the land and supporting the workers. west of the Dnieper is just standard eastern europe poverty with reducing quality of life and increasing police state tyranny and corruption.>capthca symbol for the truth
>>542144477*jewish "comedian" celebrity penis piano player
>>542147402Nigger, did you just paste famous Russia's PeePeePee numbers? That's embarrassing.
>>542149424those attitude led to war already because its part of human naturecollapse often begings with elite being disconnected from real world and real marketmarket always wins and then all starts againwars showed globalists are weak militarily, they have no solid foundation
>>542149573Am i talking to a retard? The same families run the show since Napoleonic wars
Okay, why is their population reduced? No reason in particular, right?
>>542144293After russia collapses into civil war, something like 10 million of them will try to claim ukrainian heritage and move over to now wealthy Ukraine.
>>542144293>How would you revive them to a functioning state?They don't want that. Nobody wants that. We want netflix and viagra.
>>542149616napoleonic wars were won by russianswws were won by russiansukrainian war is won by russiansduring napoleonic wars rotsshields were betting against france (on british victory), today they are betting against russia, so their money are goneit always was such way since the destruction of khazaria
>>542149379>those wars actually triggered death of fiat1) Wars cause capital flight to security. Gold is secure.2) The United States ended up with all the gold because in WWI and WWII, countries needed our resources/industry and we demanded payment in gold.3) The United states used our gold reserves and our position as a major exporter to impose the gold-backed Bretton-Woods system.You could end up with another Bretton-Woods type of system, but you're not going to get rid of fiat. And only a major exporting country could create it(China). The United States cannot transition to such a system though without collapsing, not only because of the $40 trillion in debt, and massive trade deficit, but because of the structure of our economy/financial system. We need to be able to inflate.
>>542149695By jews*. Like every other revolution. Kikes were like gypsies before Napoleon freed them. Similar story in UK, US and Russian revolutions.
>>542149716Aren't you that dogfucker? Why are you still here after so many years?
>>542149853Do you actually expect me to answer retarded ass questions?
>>542149716look at it from another side, you are measuring it from "speculative" perspectiveimage there are currency zones (those memetic PPP), each currency zone has own internal commodity price, value chainsthey trade between each other, trade suplus accumulated in memetic money is generally useless because your investments are not save anymore - they can be backed only by military might and only inside your economic zone (if you are big player)imbeciles like ursula and other globalist bureaucrats increase taxes and impose different measures against productive part of economy everywhere (on level of individual and small players)in such cases there is no point to settle trade proficit/surpluses in memetic coins, gold is much better storage of value (they will be destroyed by inflation)usa bond yield is just a beginningstates will not be able to afford such waste since money will be concentrated in top10-20%, waste is either extracted from bottom, from other state of from topin this case everybody will chose another party, same as during last 6000 years, so all balances will be settled in gold/silverin this case non productive economies with high nominal value (like UK or turkey) are deadbut i think people still need fiat to finish current cycle>>542149785jews can be put to place only by solid money from my point of view
>>542144293>the Russians could still re-group and invade them again at any time aferwards with no consequencesthat would cuckraine do huh>if all you have is a hammer...i recommend you fuck off back to cuckrainethanks
>>542144590>Why would a Polish person support the ethnic cleansing of the Polish diaspora in that region by a jewish despot? Parts of Ukraine used to be Poland pre-WW1.how is his post supporting that?Poland has no ambitions of restoring those territories for Poland. No one would support it internally nor internationally. So it's a non topic. Hohols aren't the good guys (not to disparage average ukrainian - they're probably good people. I'm talking as a nation governed by jewish oligharchs). But russians are even worse than them. So unless a Pole would want to neighbour russia again, he would be for preserving ukraine as it is now
>>542150184>jews can be put to place only by solid money from my point of viewThey are in all institutions and nations dummy
>>542150327>So unless a Pole would want to neighbour russia again,I mean with long border. Kaliningrad is already a pain in the butt as it is
>>542144477>The Ukranians I have met are dumb. They don't deserve a country, especially those who elected a penis piano player .yespeople bitch about how russia is terrible... well YES, RUSSIA IS TERRIBLE... but they never take the next step and imagine that ukraine is much much worse than russiasupporting ukraine is a classical case of "cutting off the nose to spite the face," especially if you are not one of the big wigs in pic rel
>>542150184Within a "currency zone"(empire?) you could impose anything I suppose. But when settling trades with other currency zones you would need a medium of exchange. If it was gold, you'd either have to force everyone to live within their means, or you'd have to heavily limit/regulate external trades to prevent imbalances. The United States was able to escape this somewhat until 1972 because we were a major exporter and everyone owed us money.
>>542150521yes, settling balances in gold will force people to live within their meansit will also restore productive economyagree with other points also
>>542144293>How would you revive them to a functioning state?Your end catholic scum is gonna be way worse when we finish with the Zionazis.Beg now publicly for mercy and ceasefire ehehehehehe
>>542150327Lol yesI've unfortunately met people IRL who just want Russia to win out of spite. They do the usual complaining about Ukrainian refugees and immigrants and the toll it has on our economy. And they think this situation would be better with Russian victory?
>>542144293>22 milright now in ucraine there is 15 milion civilians, mostly boomers and gen x because yought fleed to erope
>>542150745>I've unfortunately met people IRL who just want Russia to win out of spite. They do the usual complaining about Ukrainian refugees and immigrants and the toll it has on our economy. And they think this situation would be better with Russian victory?Poor motherfucker... you have no idea what is up to you.You will have to give ass and mouth after what you did fucking plumber. NATO who has been successfully demilitarized isn't going to save you.Start learning Russian from now.
>>542151319Kek. Day of yiddish judgement for the goyim
So whats the endgame here?Are Ukranians going to become the new jew of Europe? A diaspora spread across the continent, holding on to their 'old' identity
>>542144293Everything east of the djenper is russian plus coast. America and its 1% caused this war. Fuck em.
>>542151985>Everything east of the djenper is russianHas this ever been the case tho? Why draw the line there?
