do all the people who mindlessly defend the doctrine of the trinity actually know how horrible and evil the council of Nicea, where the doctrine was mandated, actually was? Or how the doctrine spread through bloodshed and death? the means and method have been extremely anti-christian.Jesus said ye shall know them by their fruits, what are the trinity doctrine's fruits? murder and death. The trinity is just proto islam.
>>542179637Inb4 people twist scripture to defend the doctrine and dont address any points made in this post.
>>542179637The German tribes agreed with you but the francs are fucked in the head and conquered the rest of them anyway
>>542179637>The trinity is just proto islam. What...?
>>542179790He means like a push towards a horrible end point that should have never spawned
>>542179790they conquered lands and killed people unless they converted, this lead to many pagans attaching their beliefs to catholicism, and often times catholicism just said "yeah screw it thats allowed"
>>542179637Weird post but all I will say is if you look at the result of the crusades it seemed as though God knew Christians overstepped and took it too farChristians should be prudent and not walk into traps like Guy de Lusignan
>>542179903this was going on long before the crusades. and when you look back, it all goes back to the council of nicea.
>>542179637kek, Imagine being the loser that LARPs as a pre-medieval monk from a long dead sect of christianity. You're not a real christcuck.
>>542179637The Nicene Creed is literally retarded. Arianism is objectively a more coherent doctrine.
>>542180101Imagine being so schizo you reject Jesus.
>>542180179Arianism is just plato's pre existence philosophy applied to Jesus, it is also false, as is modalism/oneness.
>>542179637>jewish fables don't make senseWow, shocking!
>>542179637islam rejects the trinity
>>542180409they share the same means of spreading.
>>542179637Unlike some others, I am going to approach your post from an areligious POV.The purpose of the Council of Nicaea was obviously to unify and formally codify Christian doctrine going forward, but it was about far more than that. Emperor Constantine spent all his early life dealing with the divisions that split the Roman Empire at the time, and Diocletian's failure - as a result, he sought a means of unifying the Empire in a deeper, cultural sense. Christianity was already spreading like wildfire in the Roman Empire, so instead of fighting against the tide, Constantine embraced it and used it as a deft political tool. Out with the inconsistencies of pagan belief, and in with the state-approved faith that encouraged the masses to be subservient and loyal to their masters. Modern Christianity, as we know it, was always meant to be a unifier of ethnicities within an imperial project.This, fundamentally, separates it from Islam's purpose as a politico-religious doctrine; if Christianity was shaped to preserve an Empire that already existed, Islam's was to create the foundation and cementing of a new, Islamic Empire. Everything that Islam proclaims involving matters of state and law, both in the Quran and the Hadiths, are aimed at converting newly conquered peoples to the faith and then transforming them into more warriors for the Jihad. Which makes sense, given its origins in a place where brutal warlords had ruled the region for centuries.Keep this in mind. Whether we like to admit it or not, our religions are fundamentally shaped by the environments they were founded in. Do feel free to believe that the very first form of your holy texts was composed by some manner of deity, but do not ignore the fact that such things will inevitably be altered to suit political realities occurring at the time (notable examples; the King James Bible, and modern "inclusive Christians" warping their own faith to fit modern sensibilities).
>>542179637>The trinity is just proto islam.
>>542180521TL;DR rome made a counterfeit christianity and the masses went to the counterfeit.
>>542180608"No" isn't disproving anything, it's just your cognitive dissonance.
>>542179637I don't care.
>>542180669Out of curiosity, I would like to know what your idea of "true" Christianity is. Are you an Arianist? Eastern Orthodox? Or are you some sort of Gnostic?
>>542180780following scripture purely, not using philosophy and only using scripture in context properly, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, no pre-existence or "god man" nonsense. such is the proper context of the new testament.
>>542180891Alright, but which form of scripture are you referring to? What is your source? What version of the Bible do you read, or are you following a pre-Bible series of texts?
>>542180891>>542180996I ask this because I'm sincerely curious to know which piece(s) of scripture have led you to such a resolute conclusion.
>>542179637>The trinity is just proto islam.Not quite, they don't allow Onlyfans and gay pride parades in Islamic countries like they do in Christian countries
>>542180996that's a lot of questions for such a bare bones simple answer.My source is scripture. ASV, RSV, (KJV to an extent) are decent translations, although sometimes you have to look at manuscripts.
Pre-existence is the proof of islamJesus = Pre-existence = Logos = Quran.
>>542181125It's obvious that atheism led directly to degeneracy, not Christianity, not even the catholic counterfeit endorsed that, that is a result of atheism.
>>542179637The trinity is not the core issue.
>>542181222that is the most retarded thing i've ever heard.
>>542179637If you think you're correct here, you should also throw out your bible.If any protestant think they are better than catholics, let me breathless laugh in their face. Not only have protestants dumb themselves down on purpose, they've bastardized what it means be a Christian, a follower of Christ and not just followers of Christianity.Also, OP is the Hallmark of a young male anon and he doesn't know how well he fits his own naive stereotype, it's so on the nose, it's ironic.Your ignorance about Islam and your knee jerk remarks are antithetical to any future discussions you have on this board because you have openly outted yourself as an ignoramus. It's would have been to our benefit and your's, if you hadn't posted.
>>542180669yeah this is what happenedand christianity is just the standard pharisees ideas of the time but with minor changes and a guy saying 'and also if you dont believe that im right you go to hell forever'.Jesus was a religious scholar and teacher of course a lot of the stuff he said was good he was conveying the contemporary ideas. He got confused and thought he was messiah along with john the baptist (2 messiah theory was popular at the time). When john was executed he interpreted it as him having to go be tried and then something miraculous would happen but he just got killed instead.His followers couldn't bear the loss and so went crazy and invented new metaphysics. This happens all the time to jews, its happening right now in chabad.Its unfortunate. There have even been people who thought they were the messiah for a period but then got better and are celebrated religious scholars. Its a hazard of the job, the more holy someone is the more easily their evil inclination tries to confuse them towards self destruction and blasphemy, so the better they must become.Wasnt the worst thing, the west spread and became powerful due to the merits of christianity, but look at our modern day state. Secular liberalism is itself just an offshoot of christianity, and is based on some core uniquely christian ideals (liberty is just pauls abolition of the law aka worldly anarchy with only some high ideals to guide us). It generates the crazy leftists of today as a consequence.The west should fix that by readopting a system of religious law. Make our own based on our values. Not islam, its stuck in the middle ages as it has no conception of high ideal to allow it to evolve, and not judaism since despite pauls abolition of the law being a bad move i kind of like the spirit of it, we need a religious law that incorporates the idea of freedom as one of the high ideals
>>542181242>image says you need to accept God and Christ>The trinity is a different god and a different christ.The trinity is the issue.
>>542180179>ArianismNo such thing. It was a fight between believers of Homoiousios (of a similar substance) and Homoousios (of the same substance). The label Arianism was used by the Homoousian faction, as pretty much a strawman.
>>542181340>claim i'm stupid>zero proof, just prideposting.
>>542181144Those are fairly modern versions of the text, though. How certain can you be that the words you have read haven't been fundamentally altered through translation? There are words or phrases in Ancient Greek/Hebrew that do not translate well into Latin, or likewise from Latin into English. That was actually a consistent issue that came up in the Christian world, as scripture was translated out of Latin and into other languages - a loss of original intent, poetic meaning, and accurate phrasing. It was why, during the Protestant Reformations, many scholars both prior to and during were very dedicated towards learning old Greek; they believed it would lead them to a "truer", more faithful reading of the Old and New Testaments than reading either the standard Latin or their own language's translations.
false dialectic strawman thread if you read the documents neither arian nor nicene christianity are actually trinitarian.
>>542179637>do all the people ... actually knowWhy don't you tell us, jew boy?
How are all of you STILL into this shit? jordan peterson was exposed as the retarded golem he is, its not 2016 anymore, whats with the contrarian rabbi worship in current year? like I really dont understand it. STILL into this rubbish all these years later? like…really man?
>>542181637paranoid schizos calling everyone a jew
>>542181227what is more permissive of it? Islam or Christianity?"Do whatever you want and then say sorry to Jesus and you're fine" isn't a recipe for a healthy civilization
I'm more convinced than ever that there should be zero tolerance for heresy and someone like yo should just be burned immediately.
>>542182477the irony of you saying that is you'd be the one who is burned.
>>542180521Oh look at me I listened to the history of Rome podcast by Mike Duncan now I’m an expert on christianity. Fuck off atheist.
>>542179637The eucharist and scripture all point towards a trinity
>>542181452>>542182622Still waiting on how you know you are reading the "truth" when your sources are those that are essentially derivitives of Trinitarian writings. Is it just because you FEEL that it is the truth, and therefore it must be the truth?
>>542182668>the eucharistyou mean the catholic bastardization of the Lord's supper?Scripture does not point towards a trinity, God is one, not three. God is not a shampoo.
>>542182658Never listened to that podcast, nor am I an atheist. I believe that God exists, and that there is a proper and correct moral code that exists as a byproduct of his will. However, I am not going to turn a blind eye to the way that human beings work - and yes, that includes taking what should be sacred and turning it into a political tool (ex.; evangelicals and their extreme loyalty towards the state of Israel, either for genuine religious belief or financial compensation). If those people could exist now, what makes you think they did not exist back then in the center of Roman politics?
>>542182775What part of “God from God, light from light, true God from true God.” Is not clear to you?
>>542179637Oh man you aren't even trying any more, are you?
>>542179896Convert, or fall forever.
>>542182889>initial post about why council of nicea is bad>you post unbiblical nicene creed
>>542182370>"Do whatever you want and then say sorry to Jesus and you're fine" isn't a recipe for a healthy civilizationIt also isn't how Christianity works.Silly troon.
>>542180735words have specific meanings and the way you chose to use them shows me you do not know what the fuck you're talking about
>>542183170an image saying fact, doesn't actually make something a fact, you provided no proof, you said "no" and "Fact" as if you proved anything, which you didn't.
>>542179637daily reminder
>>542180179THIS
>>542181340You didn’t refute OP at all. Just shit on him like a kike
>>542179637>do all the people who mindlessly defend the doctrine of the trinity actually know how horrible and evil the council of NiceaYou worship a jew.
>>542183263You embarrassed yourself and I don't feel like explaining to you why you should feel humiliated.
>>542183544you're literally delusional.
>>542180290Plato’s pre-existence philosophy states that the human soul existed in a disembodied, immortal state before birth, directly contemplating eternal and perfect realities known as the FormsModalism and Oneness theology both teach that God is a single, unipersonal divine being rather than three distinct personsIt's interesting and that makes total sense
>>542183832Modalism is God LARPING and LYING about everything he established about himself in the old testamentGod is not a man?God does not change?guess he just lied?Jesus praying to himself? no. Oneness is schizophrenia.
>>542180290>>542183832basedmonotheism and state worship is part of the psyop
>>542182885Yea Constantine used Jesus to gain power. >>542183051Sorry I’m not a prot, I’ll stick with Catholicism thanks. Jesus made it very clear that he was God, end of discussion. I’m sick of protestants thinking they have a better grasp on Jesus than the pope.
>>542182775>>542182889It’s incredible how endless this discussion is. God is one and many simultaneously. Everything in existence is that way. Even the old testament itself refers to God as both singular and plural in different places. The entire point is to get retards stuck in an endless discussion. JRR Tolkien created the entire Lord of the Rings middle earth universe.Simultaneously he created all of the characters in the story. Despite their differences they all contain some fundamental aspect of Tolkien. It’s one story, but with multiple parts and characters. I can be here in the U.S. where it’s later afternoon, and simultaneously in Thailand some dude is experiencing night time. We can both say it’s day time and night time where we are, respectively, and both be correct. Just stop with the jewish duality bullshit. It all falls apart upon a minor amount of inspection
>>542179637>what are the trinity doctrine's fruits?How about all of western civilization, and every piece of European art and culture that dipshits like you obsess over?Absolute moron.It was all built on Catholicism.
>>542183943The counterfeit roman church has no grasp on scripture, that's the entire point, prots are just neo catholics, both are wrong, and so is orthodoxy. the true church was scattered by the corrupt and evil council of nicea.
>>542180409Islam does not care about trinityIslam has other fish to fry
>>542184037Romans 3:8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
>>542179637>Council of Nicea
>>542179637Trinity predates the Council, JW-bro. Apostle's Creed was recorded hundreds of years before it, IIRC by Polycarp.
John 8:58: Jesus told the crowd, "Before Abraham was, I am," using the eternal divine name that God revealed to Moses in the Book of Exodus.John 10:30: Jesus declared, "I and the Father are one," prompting the religious leaders to pick up stones to kill him for making himself equal with God. John 14:9: Jesus told his disciple Philip that anyone who had seen him had also seen God the Father. Mark 14:62: Jesus answered the high priest during his trial by affirming he was the Christ and would sit at the right hand of God, which led directly to a charge of blasphemy.Any other questions dipshits?
>>542183926Jesus is not godJesus is not the son of godArius is rightIt's not difficult to understand
Hail Polytheism. Anything else is garbage. Quoting the bi-bull as some kind of source of ''knowledge'' is laughable. Constantine and Charlemagne can both fuck themselves.
>>542184453those two "creeds" are nothing alike, also, the "Apostle's" creed wasn't even written by the Apostles, so it is also untrustworthy. >>542184494"I am" is not God's name, read Exodus 6:3 John 8:54-59 is not proving Jesus being God, in fact, Jesus says if he honors himself his honor is nothing, trinitarians have the gall to say Jesus claimed to be God right after saying that, the context is clear that the Pharisees twisted Jesus' words, they made the false claim that Jesus saw Abraham, when Jesus said Abraham was the one who saw his day, and not the other way around. (before Abraham was [Abraham came first]) (I am [Follow me now, since i am the one who's day Abraham saw]), or he was simply stating the fact that he was always messiah in God's plan, not to mention the phrase "I am" was extremely common, the phrase in greek being Ego Eimi, has been used in John 9:9 by the blind man Jesus healed.John 10:30 is not a claim that Jesus is God, Jesus makes it clear that we are one in them, and they are one in us, John 17:21-23John 14:9-10King James Version9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Jesus is saying the Father is in him, they see the Father through the works the Father does, you're twisting scripture. Claiming to be at the right hand of God means you're 2nd in command, do you know what the term right hand of means? is he at his own right hand? trinitarian arguments are literal NPC dialogue.
>>542184657Pre Existence is a heresy, you keep going to Arius, but you won't go before the 2nd century? you guys are 3rd century+ locked or something?
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>>542184657Figuring it out?
>>542184924In the tumultuous landscape of fourth-century Europe, a significant religious transformation occurred as Germanic tribes embraced Arian Christianity, a decision that would profoundly influence the religious and political dynamics of the late Roman Empire and early medieval period.
>>542180230>imagine having a brainHmmm
>>542179734you can't inb4 on your own OP
>>542179637>people who mindlessly defend the doctrine of the trinityreally?lake of fire :)))https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxFngRNDSc
>>542179637If there is no trinity then Jesus is just a man with no power to save. People say the Bible contradicts itself but in the contradiction youll find the deepest meaning.>Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together. Who hath declared this from ancient time? Who hath told it from that time? Have not I, the Lord? And there is no God else besides Me, a just God and a Savior. There is none besides Me.God constantly talks about how He will not share his glory, then goes on to talk about the Son of Man whom all glory shal be given to.The Holy Spirit first appears in Genesis 1:2
If there is no Trinity, it means that Jesus's followers are all idolaters since he is not God. The first commandment is being violated.Satanists really love to attack from below.
>>542179637How can The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit be three distinct persons but still One God?---If you have three persons who are all called God, then you would have to apply every attribute of God to all three persons.They would all have to be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.A question that many Christians find difficulty answering when asked is, "How can The Father, Jesus The Son, and The Holy Spirit all be God if there is only One God?"On the surface of this question it would seem to be an impossibility according to logic that we understand.How can three be one?If you apply the attribute of omnipotence to all three persons, then you may realize that a paradox could occur.Hypothetically, imagine a scenario in which two of these omnipotent persons took an action against each other.Whose will would prevail?If they were both truly omnipotent, then it must be that both would prevail, but that would be an impossibility.It would, at this point, seem that two or more omnipotent persons that have distinct wills could not exist at the same time.However, a solution to this paradox is formed once you begin to apply the rest of the attributes of God to these persons.If all three persons are omniscient, then they would all be wisdom itself, and knowledge itself.They would, all three, have perfect understanding of all things, including the will of each other.Having perfect knowledge, the decisions and actions of all three would be in perfect agreement in all ways.Therefore, the paradox of omnipotence would never occur.In fact, it is this paradox of omnipotence that becomes the impossibility.
>>542187626Next, look at the attribute of omnipresence.This answers the question that is the most difficult to reconcile with our logic.How can three be one?If these three persons are all omnipresent, then that would mean that all three of them exist perfectly and entirely within each other in every place and in every way.They would seemingly be separate to us, but one in truth.They all three occupy, within each other, The Most High place, that is, the Throne of God, in perfect unity.The Father exists perfectly and entirely within both the Son and The Spirit.The Son exists perfectly and entirely within both the Spirit and The Father.The Spirit exists perfectly and entirely within both the Father and The Son.
>>542187053>>542186612this is retarded nonbiblical logic derived from people who have no idea how God works. "in the contradiction you find the deepest meaning" bro is mentally insane. "if you don't believe a man is God, then you violate the first commandment" trinitarians really just make things up and call their make up nonsense biblical. John 17:1-3 John 20:17 Jesus says his Father is his God1 Peter 1:3 Ephesians 1:3 Peter and Paul say the same your doctrine is antichrist.
the shills are lining up after the thread almost dies, classic.
>>542187053Jesus was the instrument of goodness.
>>542186612>If there is no trinity then Jesus is just a man with no power to save.once upon a time.... we got god. a spirit.... holy or unholy, and jesus(the the submissive magician)....the "virgin" mary.... and 2346 saints...the best ones are the last canonized ones :Dso to summarize the topic of salvation: there is no salvation unless i pray to a celestial state structure :P no salvation...no welfare, no lifelong paycheck, no mana from heaven, no free stuff from retards :DD, am i getting it wrong??> the Bible contradicts itselfyes, because they couldn't rewrite everything, you got 20% "harmless" truths, 50% ciphered text, 30% convenient lies :D now you can pray your official salvation:)
>>542187780see>>542184453
>>542187739>nonbiblicalIsaiah 9:6-7Read it to me slowly.
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>>542187825Do you know that the only thing God asks of you is to say sorry?Thats it, nothing else.The easiest and hardest thing anyone can do.
>>542184494Yes. Can you explain why Jesus says he does not know the final hour only the father in heaven? Does that not mean Jesus is not God?
>>542188105>Can you explain why Jesus says he does not know the final hour only the father in heaven?Because when Jesus said that He was a man walking the earth. No man knows the hour.In any wise, If Jesus isnt the Messiah, The living God, then the God of the Old Testament is at best a liar, and at worse a betrayer.
>>542188397So Jesus being God suddenly forget in human form? Sounds like faulty logic
>>542188464Jesus died while in human form. His human form actually allowed him to do things God couldn't or wouldnt do, like die, or be ignorant on certain things.
>>542179637Trinitykikes behave exactly like Pharisees
>>542188513>in human formyou mean a human, he is a man. a man chosen by God. "his human nature" is nowhere in the bible he simply is human. this dual nature stuff was added centuries later.
>>542188513Terrible circular logic frankly. If Jesus is God then he would’ve known the final hour intrinsically being God instead of saying he didn’t know. If he managed to transform himself into ignorant of the matter then transformed back after being “killed” the whole story sounds like horseshit sorry mate there’s nothing deep about your religion. You cannot circle the square of Jesus being God but not knowing when the final hour is supposed to be. If he did but then he lied in your bible which means he probably isn’t God and your bible was written by Satan instead.
>>542187898Septuagint mogged your mistranslationyou're using a manuscript written by jews 1000 years after Christ, use the septuagint.
>>542189806What’s more, if God made himself stupid as a man and said he didn’t know then why would an all powerful and all knowing eternal being make himself weak? If he is weak then wouldn’t that mean he is susceptible? And if he actually knew but said he didn’t then why did he lie infront of others? He should have plainly said he knew but he wouldn’t tell instead of this cringe marygoround reasoning. The NT doesn’t plainly say that Jesus is God anyway.
>>542187998>Do you know that the only thing God asks of you is to say sorry?No, God doesn't teach you that; God shows you His works, He doesn't deceive you with words.Do you think Almighty God, Creator of all the universe, cares about you or me saying "forgive me holy spirit" "allah" "zeus"??Could it be for any casual reason that the people who place themselves as moral arbiters between God and us, as some kind of philanthropic representative martyrs of their own tailor-made god's politburo??, Do they ask you to put the other cheek and let them do? And to justify laws that go against logic, against nature and against god??? like justice is later... now you must suck philanthropic cocks???:))https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHe-wAj0HYA
>>542188397>If Jesus isnt the Messiah, The living God, then the God of the Old Testament is at best a liar, and at worse a betrayer.What are you talking about? The Jews never thought that the Messiah was going to be god, and jesus never fulfills any of the messianic expectations like being a ruler. The fact that he got allegedly killed makes him fail as the Messiah. And that's according to Paul
>>542179637>The trinity is just proto islam.>There are no slaves in Western Cristian countries.>Islam still allows slavery.>proto.>>542180521> our religions are fundamentally shaped by the environments they were founded in.Religions are about power and benefits. Holy shit I hope the RWD's clear the college industrial complex. The power of a God or demons behind the Cause is such a benefit that if it exists it must be pursued. From the warlord in Haiti to Hitler to Moses or an English king garnering support from the gods or God is a must.> warping their own faithThere is always going to be projection as long as it goes through a human.I wanted to get behind the anti America pro commie anti Christ shit but you are the useful idiots. Atheism is the religion of the useful idiot. Pseudo intellectualism is the bastion of cowards. The Christians reach fertility replacement levels at least.1488Race War Now
>>542179637What is this new flavor of Satanism that's inorganically cropping up?>Ok ok goyim, we'll allow you to be Christian, just please deny the Holy Triune God Yahweh and worship our false, distorted version of Yahweh like we do so that way you will still be spiritually dead.Sheesh, the Devil is truly desperate.
>>542179637>Interpretation of texts we still have available today that predate the event of which you speak ofDoesnt matter. The texts remain the same.
>>542179637dawww is it the whittle atheist first time learning about Nicea, as an atheist myself STFU no one cares, and youll be likable as soon as you stop acting like a vegan faggot
>>542190532>there are no slaves in western Christian countries False, franks enslaved pagans and sold them to Muslims and used them as well to til their fields and fuck their women. Christians in America had black slaves that were Christian. And franks had sex slaves as well despite being Christian. Stop making shit up retard.
>>542190789worse, it's an atheist/pagan pretending to be a Christian, but failing as soon as he's exposed himself as a non-trinitarian heretic.
>>542190789Yeshua rapes kids
>>542179637Meanwhile Protestantism literally copied Islamic belief in both: making scripture ‘God’s word” and textual exegesis. Before Islam, the Bible was never the word of god, or perfect, or divine; it was a complication of oral gospels, compiled and combined and translated and intrinsically faulty. Prots stole the Islamic idea (the Koran as “God’s literal word” told to the illiterate prophet) as well as Biblical authority. It’s compete historical and hermeneutic nonsense, bordering on heresy.
>>542182775not transubstantiation, the Eucharist.It's about a created thing, a loaf of bread becoming blessed by the Word, then it changes into the Eucharist. That was Jesus(The Logos), blessing his creations.
>>542190919By maintaining the Lord's Supper which was a divine commandment by God, we maintain the Trinity of the Godhead and that one day we can all become more divine through the Word.
>>542190886That claim is historically false. Christians were describing Scripture as divinely inspired and authoritative centuries before Islam existed. The New Testament itself says that “all Scripture is God-breathed” (2 Timothy 3:16), that men “spoke from God” as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:21), and that “Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). Around A.D. 180, Irenaeus even wrote that “the Scriptures are indeed perfect” because they were spoken by “the Word of God and His Spirit.” Athanasius likewise referred to the biblical books as “divinely inspired Scripture” in the fourth century.The claim about exegesis is even less defensible. Christianity inherited a long Jewish tradition of interpreting Scripture, and the New Testament itself constantly interprets earlier biblical texts. Long before Islam, Christian scholars such as Origen were comparing Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, analyzing variant readings, and writing extensive biblical commentaries. Augustine also developed explicit principles for scriptural interpretation centuries before Muhammad.It is also misleading to equate Protestant views of inspiration with the Islamic doctrine of the Qur’an. Classical Christianity does not require the idea that biblical writers merely took dictation from heaven. Scripture is understood as genuinely written by human authors, with their own styles, vocabulary, historical circumstances, and sources, while also being inspired by God. The fact that the Bible was copied, translated, compiled into a canon, and preserved through manuscript traditions does not mean early Christians regarded it as merely human or “intrinsically faulty.”The specific claim that Protestants borrowed the divine authority of Scripture and the practice of biblical exegesis from Islam collapses on chronology alone. Christians were explicitly affirming divine Scripture and rigorously interpreting it centuries before Islam appeared.
Jesus Christ is still Lord
Mohammed fucked a 6 year old. What's your point?
>>542190247Read me Isaiah 9:6-7.Take all the time you need.
>>542190007>why would an all powerful and all knowing eternal being make himself weakSo that He could die for you.Be humble.
>>542190104sorry, i express myself like shit... what I meant to say is:don't the people who push these world religions get a clear benefit out of it? First, they set up a state—a totalitarian celestial government—with a king god, a court of gods, vassals demigods, officials angels, rebels, the cattle to rule over(we), punishments, fear, violence and submission;in this script they let *themselves*—the "chosen ones"—run the show, claiming to speak for God; they take the prophets who actually spoke the truth, like jesus, moses and so on..., kill them, and rewrite their words; they establish a system of " shadow communism" with the common good, with *themselves* acting as the guarantors, watchdogs, and administrators of that "common good"... I mean, are we fucking morons????????????God isn't some old guy with a white beard, nor is He a shitty, fucking human, and He didn't chose these weirdos as moral arbiters for the rest of us, obviously...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP6lxNdNTQQ
>>542189863Why dont we use the dead sea scrolls?Read me Isaiah 9:6-7.
>>542179637Greetings, 19th Century Scientologist!
>>542190007>The NT doesn’t plainly say that Jesus is God>The word was God.Perhaps not as explicitly as the Old Testament does. So explicitly you cant even acknowledge the verse.
>>542191063>and writing extensive biblical commentaries.By the way, Christians here will whine and complain that modern Judaism isn't Judaism because the Talmud exists, then happily quote all their own early Christian writers who did the exact same thing with the New Testament.
Sweet. A schizo thread.
