Why does this make Americans shit and piss themselves?
>>542181464Red Scare is back.
Because it doesn’t work and doesn’t make sense. I don’t want to share a bus with an over educated champagne socialist faggot with no talent let alone share a community with one.
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>>542181575Remove any noion of perceived social status and you'll see that it makes no difference whatsoever
>>542181575You are one stupid bitch, I'll tell you that.
It is a lie and always a huge failure...
>>542181718Lol, another idiot child that thinks "socialism will work if we do it right"
>>542181517and rightly sobetter dead than red
It's based on a lie.Nobody is going to fight against you that hard, for that long, to GIVE you some shit.>take this free shit>no i dont want it>FUCK YOU ILL MAKE YOU TAKE ITthey're fighting to take from you, not to give to you
>>542181464Because there's no collective identity or clear idea of what common good even is.
>>542181815this, which is why the way i vote is simple>will this legislation or candidate funnel more money to the government?>if yes, vote no
>>542181464America has no commons, no collective or public so it makes no sense to share anything from your labor with these foreign groups. Why would you want to pay for healthcare for infinite amount of niggers and immigrants?
>>542181464Because those who push for such policies always gone after and attacked the Church.
>>542181464Im fine with a mixed economy but leftists of all kinds constantly prove they deserve the death penalty. Socialism only works when right wingers do it.
>>542181888>voted for Trump 3 times
>>542181464Why do you idiots always fail to realize that ALL -isms are simply a mechanism for jews to impose central banking on a target population?Capitalism, socialism (national, international, or other), communism, and EVERY OTHER -ISM ARE ALL DERIVATIVES OF JUDAISM.
>>542181464Unlike Norwegians they aren't subhuman and understand that socialism is a subhuman undertaking. Simple as.
>>542181788So, why doesn't it work then?
>>542181964Can't two things be true at once? Can't we have aryan communism?
>>542182091Because socialists are detestable faggots that no one wants to be around
>>542182091Basic Human nature.
>>542181847>Because there's no collective identity or clear idea of what common good even is.The destruction of the white race.
>>542181464Because im not envious of people that make more money than me. I do however have disdain for the dysgenic losers who complain that other people are the sole reason they are not successful. So as such, socialism is for faggots who would have jumped from the nest on top of the tree and plummeted to thier deaths when they failed to spread thier wings.
>>542181464>Why does this make Americans shit and piss themselves?>Populist Sorry but the majority of people are fucking stupid, and being popular does not mean its a good idea.
>>542181464because the "collective" in america is infested with niggers, faggots, and kikes who hate white people and want them dead.
>>542181464Here you go fag... Learn history.
all systems of governance should be local and limited. that's what truly terrifies them, people living their lives without them getting a cut and charging rent for everything under the sun. accountable local self-serving government is terrifying to the idea of collecting rent.
>>542182091because the people who are positive economic impact don't want their shit taken away to be given to an antithetical ethnocultural group who are a collective negative economic impact.
Somehow I just know they'd manage to fuck this up.Like instead of having a centralised ultra statist state that would at least do a few useful things with the money it steals from people sometimes, they'd have a feudal system of each state being more or less socialist in three confederations which are typically tard wrangled by Hasan Piker into doing stuff excepts when he fucks it up, speaks the wrong Spanish dialect and Florida seceded for three years destroying several critical supply chains, and every stage would be so retarded and inefficient 90% of everything would disappear in operating costs instead of 30 in paperwork and 40 in corruption like it's supposed to in a working SSR.You can't do socialism in federal countries, the USSR worked because everyone knew it was just Greater Russia and Russia worked because it was greater Moscow.
>>542181464Liberals are lazy and retarded so the system would collapse immediately when the plumber or the surgeon realises he doesn't want to share what's his equally with the homosexual that writes poetry.
>>542181464quality learing, USAID, nigger.
>>542181464you want the honest to God truth?because niggers/faggots/kikes/etc live in our country. i'm all for socialism in the ethnostate.
>>542181464Yeah, socialism is based, Venezuela number 1, 30 years of socialism we rediscovered the wheel last week btw...
>>542183186I mean that's better than africa. They've been around for millennia and still haven't invented the wheel.
>>542183186Shut the fuck up. You are literally a CIA experiment.
>>542181464I know why it makes tha DSA shit and piss themselves.
>>542182905US is a fake country. If you're an American and you know, you know what I'm talking about.Most Americans barely associate with anyone all day. They come from their house or shitty apartment, go to work via a metal box just for them, arrive at work and realize that you can't fuck your coworkers, eat slop, come home via metal box just for them. Ever since I visited another country while visiting my girlfriend, I realized how fucking fake the US is. No real culture. The common people are ugly, fat, and retarded mostly. No real identity. This is not "muh globalist kikes importing muh brownies" either. My area is mostly white, and I can tell you how much I fucking hate it and how fake it feels.
>>542183925Nice preddit fag spacingLeave then nigger if you hate it so much.No one is keeping your negative arrogant ass were.I bet the people that have to deal with you hate you as much as you hate them.
>>542182912>the plumber or the surgeonIn the US, Boomer plumbers are overpaid while the young ones that got scammed by Mike Rowe are making as much as a Walmart wagie. Surgeons get paid well, but they are still wagies and have a very very stressful job. Still got medical debt though. Capitalist kikes on the other hand get gibs from the government and exploit the ever living fuck out of their employees.
>>542183925>Most Americans barely associate with anyone all day.I feel like I know what you mean on this point, but are you telling me there are other western countries that aren't like this?
>>542184056>Leave then nigger if you hate it so much.I am. Most young people want to leave to be honest. There's only so much time too before the US becomes the biggest shithole and the USD fully collapses.
>>542184373>but are you telling me there are other western countries that aren't like this?The whole of Europe. Europe still has its old world charm. Very few areas of the US have it, mostly in New England (for rich people only).
>>542184195I'm not arguing that the current system is perfect, sure it's far too easy for rich people to increase their wealth by exploiting their employees and the stock market. But the reality is that under socialism, people would be forced to do the thing they are good at which is unfair for people with extremely difficult or stressful jobs. A bin man is not equal to a medical professional, or even a construction professional, and never should be. If that were the case then every single adult would choose to work as a binman and every other person with talent or ambition would just leave to live in a capitalist society.The fact that people choose to leave socialism to live in capitalism is proof that it's a worse system.
>>542184373>there are other western countries that aren't like this?If the country is one where most people use public transportation and has walkable streets, then no. It forces them to interact, even without saying anything. Just a social presence. Now walkable cities and public transportation wouldn't be needed if young people could afford cars. However, since the quality of life in the US is very rapidly collapsing, young Americans don't get to have cars now, so any chance to "be young" is killed.
>>542181464Americans have been force-fed billions of dollars in the form of propaganda, spewed by billionaires from every category for decades. Now every facet of the country is only for the benefit of billionaires. Just look up how much billionaires have increased in net worth since 2025.Americans have been told that cutting public services, and giving the rich a tax break will magically trickle down to the average american and cause a new golden age (somehow).And if anyone decides to do the unforgivable sin, that is trying to move America to benefit the citizens for fucking once, here comes another billion-dollar investment of unhinged and deranged narratives from billionair-run media that with fearmonger about how funding for universal healthcare for America, instead of CEOs being able to afford their 50th super-yacht and Israel, it would somehow lead to a slippery slope where straight white men are being forced at gunpoint into giving all their possessions to black people, state-mandated illegal immigrants living in your house, and forced muslim conversion to your kids in school.
>>542184643>A bin man is not equal to a medical professional, or even a construction professional, and never should be. If that were the case then every single adult would choose to work as a binman and every other person with talent or ambition would just leave to live in a capitalist society.In old style socialist thought (not the new shit psyoped by kikes to make any kind of socialist thought look retarded and hypocritical), it would be admitted that the binman is there not because he wants to do it but because he needs to do it to continue to exist. Socialist thought would state that he should be supported as much as possible with as many benefits as possible to make the job easier. The "talented" and the "ambitious" are almost all capable of achieving their dreams because they are well-off. For example, Vladmir Nabokov. Do you think if he was a peasant in grueling poverty like Stalin, he would have come to the US and spouted how much he loves capitalism? No. He would have been an illiterate farmer.
>>542185153You're a dipshit child that thinks the world should be how you prefer it.Grow the fuck up.
Workers unite.
>>542185057Just look at this post, almost everyone here thinks that any kind of socialistic idea is to enfranchise kikes and homosexuals. Of course, they don't see the obvious psyop that's been created to do exactly what has happened:Give a loud, fat, ugly nigger a college degree and give them an idea of "socialism". They'll spout that. Fox News and CNN will make a headline of it, the retards who watch it will then think that's what socialism is all about and that le Musk and Trump give a shit about young white men.
>>542185057In reality:Women are becoming ever more necessary and important in the role they play in industry. With this growing economic importance, and with the increasing need of capitalism for more children to augment the labor and military supply, the power of women will probably increase marvelously during the next few years. Governments will reward the surrender of woman to man, while employers compete among themselves for her labor power. Much will be offered to women.
>>542181464That isn't even the definition of socialism. Socialism is the state owning the means of production, to evenly distribute it to the people. The movement was co-opted by communists who insist its the prototype that will lead to communism, which more accurately meets that definition. The fact that Marxists don't even know their own ideology never ceases to amaze me.
>>542181464I hate socialism because it is an innately materialist, globalist ideology with a particular anti-Christian angle inherited from its jewish philosophical origins, notwithstanding the fact that every materialist, globalist ideology ends up hating Christians or the fact that all such ideologies are made by Jews too. YOU hate socialism because you are a libertarian stooge who thinks the end state of western culture is vtubers, AI generated child porn and literal zog-gibs.
But my neet bucks are cool I want to keep them
>>542185630Its not binary. You can dislike both musk, Trump etc and also dislike commie faggots. Socialist government is more restrictive, less freedoms, more rigid. It also allows for higher levels of corruption because governmental tentacles are in every facet of life. If you came to me with a socialist system that said, you, white man! I care about you and here are the laid out steps that we will do together to enrich our lives, then it might be attractive. But that never happens...we'll it did once I guess.
>>542185851>Socialism is the state owning the means of productionHow do you comment on shit without knowing what you're talking about?
>>542186245The entire problem with socialism is its global focus. Socialists want us to be a brown conglomerate of people, and disband ethno nationalist sentiment. Like you said, if it was ethno nationalist, then socialism isn't something I inherently oppose. The Third Reich and the USSR are two sides of the same coin. One sought to amalgamate countries into a collective that superceded nation states. The other sought to subjugate nations as a means to better their own nation state.Socialism with a global agenda is always inherently bad, socialism with a national agenda is much more palatable, because it doesn't seek to replace my race and my nation.
>>542186266Yeah, that's state capitalism.>>542186245>But that never happens...we'll it did once I guess.I still question how good Hitler really was. I have mixed opinions on him. Do I think the Holocaust happened? No. But is he as good as /pol/ makes him out to be? Possibly
>>542186266It is. It's why communism is never achieved. The state seizes wealth and the means of distribution, in an attempt to create the communist utopia. Except in every single instance, centralising that much wealth and power creates a monster unwilling or unable to relinquish control to the people. Which was the initial intention.You can harp on about some gay coop or whatever you think socialism is. But it is the transition state to communism. The reality in history is that always looks like the state controlling everything, in order to facilitate collectivisation and redistribution.
>>542182091The reason the western vision of neither socialism or communism will ever work are entirely because the people that preach for it are disconnected from reality and are too busy barking at shadows that even the few self-proclaimed communistic/socialistic countries left on Earth have openly embraced for many years.The dumbest thing that western commies seem to genuinely believe is that commerce=capitalism. Not only do western tankies seem to genuinely believe that any exchange of goods or services between two people is automatically capitalistic, but that it's also stealing from the "public collective". Commerce is not bad. It's hard-baked into human nature itself. Even China and North Korea accepted trading and commerce as concepts under the most oppressive years of their regimes. The "means of production" are not a metaphor or a slogan, they're a very literal and direct thing. Power plants, lumbar mills, factories. Those are the means of production. Not old ladies selling hand knit blankets at the local market or nerds selling video games to one another.Another thing that they preach and beg for that goes against basic human nature and is impossible is the erasure of land borders as a concept. You will never find a form of government that survives in any form without an objective definition of a border, and any attempt at having a country with no borders would only function as long as they had no neighbors that had even the slightest difference in political thinking. This concept is purely born out of the inherently sheltered and oblivious nature of Americans that grew up in the most borderless nation to ever exist; America's borders are two oceans and two giant mountain ranges with two countries they have never had to fear, of course western tankies cannot comprehend the importance of borders."Real communism has never been tried" isn't (directly) mocking Communism, it's mocking retards that think western communism is real Communism.
>>542181464I fucking hate other people.
>>542181464Pull your head out of your ass for a second and pop the delusional "blank slate" bubble and really consider the actual outcomes of such an idea.There are videos of Africans stripping sewer grating and flood-run off infrastructure to sell the rebar. This is an extreme example but demonstrates that the lowest of the low IQ members of society are actually a danger to the means of production.The average person is also too low IQ to actually utilize the means of production effectively.So, if the means of production were publicly owned, that means that.. ideally, the public would have a say in the utilization of those means. Right?Playing devils advocate, purely for a second, against whichever side you don't like, 50% of people voted a way you don't like. Can you trust 50% of the plebians to vote on how to use the means of production? So what is the inevitable conclusion. The means of production is "public" on paper, and managed by the State/Elites because the masses can't agree on how to use the means of production/what to produce, and they're also not capable of planning the logistics of production, and the lowest of the low are an active threat to the integrity of production.So you get exactly the same outcome as capitalism but with a clique of "party leaders" who are trusted with the decision making behind production.Your employer ceases to be an individual and becomes the state.Congratulations. You've just created left-wing fascism without nationalism or racial integrity.That's why people think you're a fag.
>>542186792I'm pretty sure you've never talked to a communist or socialist considering this strawan post. Good try though.
>>542186652Except that's state capitalism, not socialism. Socialism is ownership by the workers. Ask Google.
>>542181464>1pbtid
>>542187495You're just arguing semantics. Im arguing reality. Who allows and enforces ownership by the workers? If capitalists own the means of production, who enables collectivisation and redistribution? The state does. If the state nationalises a mine, and redistributes it to the workers to collectively own, is that state socialism or just socialism? The state is always the deciding body. The either have direct ownership or effective ownership of everything in a society where wealth can be taken and redistributed. Because they have the monopoly on force.
>>542187495How do you determine which worker owns what? Does the janitor own an equal amount of the hospital as a doctor?And what happens if something goes out of business or becomes outdated? Do the workers become owners of the next factory they become employed with?Do the current owners give up a stake of their ownership to accommodate the new owner?How is this organized? How "fairness" and "equity" enforced? What happens to factories or places of production who choose not to do this? How are they forced to? Who oversees this process?
>>542187829>who enables collectivisation and redistribution?The people. See, the government is not actually powerful enough to stop the people from seizing the means of production.
>>542187894Don't know. Ask a socialist. I'm just arguing definitions
>>542181464We don't want the job we hated to become our government.
>>542181464because its non-functional jewish nonsense thats used to install autocracynow stop asking stupid questions nigger
>>542187894Is usually solved by making workers syndicates that handle all jobs at the plant while at the same time the plant is state owned like a police station
>>542181464Everything govt touches turns to shitThe ONLY thing theyre efficient at is stealing our tax $
>>542187829>>542188581And in actual practice, the government has never stood with the people to seize ownership, since it sees more of itself in businessmen than it does in the people.>>542187894>How do you determine which worker owns what? Does the janitor own an equal amount of the hospital as a doctor?>UM BUT HOW WOULD SHARES IN A COMPANY WORK?!?! THAT'S LIKE IMPOSSIBLE O ALGOIs this an actual question or are you pretending to be dumb?
>>542181464Americans were selectively bred to be raped kikeslaves.
>>542188581This is just idiocy. Either the government allows it, or the collective ignores the government. Then what happens? Do the ineffective government sit by and let it happen? No they are overthrown by the collective who forms a new government, they now use the state apparatus to maintain their new collective will. This is the problem with marxists. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid. Heirarchy is inevitable. What's the difference between a collective of collectively owned worker movements controlling things, and a government? There is no difference. You're splitting hairs and playing semantics as marxists always do. At the end of the day the state is a collective, at what point does the state no longer represent the collective? Its all muddy sophistry. I'm sure you'll start talking about anarcho communism or some other oxymoron akin to that next.
I raise the "Capital" to build a warehouse and start My Buisness there with My Money that I spent 15 years saving upNotice I didn't raise"commune" or "social" to Build Anything of Worth
>>542188871>Everything govt touches turns to shitand the govt is ran by capitalists
>>542189020>Do the ineffective government sit by and let it happen?It's their choice. But regardless of whether they do or not, they're still not powerful enough to stop it. The workers do all the labor, you cant have a society without them. (yet).
>>542188885No, are you dumb? The point of these questions was intended to force the retard I was responding to into admitting that all of these policies are initiated by and enforced by the state and the state can't give ownership of a factory to "the workers" unless the state possesses the factory.But if the entire nation is socialized, then the State is just another publicly owned institution, which means the members of the State who are delegating ownership of (such and such) are really just creating state offices and state employees.That's the point. Clearly you didn't understand this.
>>542181464it means "i hate white people, but love fags, trannies and niggers" in the USA, it's also always controlled by the Jews / Zionist scum
>>542188830yes, the questions were rhetorical. The person I was responding to was "arguing definitions" while ignoring that this system works exactly the way he claimed it did not.
>>542189262The state doesn't have to give shit. The people can just take it
>>542189213You are missing the point. Im just not sure if its intentionally or not.If the government is ineffective in stopping them, they aren't the government anymore. If the collective overthrows the government, they are the government now. Now the state dictates who can and can't collectively own the means of production. Which is my entire point. Your worker movements will inevitably lead to centralisation of power, and those who go along with the central power will be allowed to continue collectively owning their means of production, those that don't will be eaten by the same collective that overtook the government.
>>542189855There is a third option. You can overthrow it, then just go home afterwards. There's nothing making you stay and govern.
I'm socialist and I don't think anyone has any logical reason to not dislike it unless they are at the forefront of getting fucked by capitalism. Most socialist societies were ass even if they were upgrades from the backwater feudal shitholes they were a few years prior, but most people probably don't want to risk devolving lifestyle even for a period of time between changing management if they are home owners or even upper class renters. That said I think capitalism is failing hard so hard that like Marx said eventually people are going to have to accept it once they realize capitalism reached critical mass. It can be National Socialism or Bolshevism or Socdemism or so on but at some point it'll have to give.
>>542189346>the state doesn't have to give shit>just take it>the state>just takeIf the state isn't complicit in/managing the redistribution of the "means of production" why are they not dispatching the police, you're delusional.
>>542181464>populistInteresting. It would appear that you know precisely why and are on /pol/, yet refuse to say it.Why are you a faggot, OP? Who molested you?
>>542181464>You can't take the initiative to solve any problems or create anything people might want on your own, the state decides everything that gets made and even if you did, you couldn't profit from it and everything used to create that wealth would be owned by the state, instead of you who had the idea, took the risk and worked to make it happen.It's up there with the most retarded, idiotic political-economic ideologies.
>>542181464Because it is like when you and the boys link up for the group project but then the teacher forces the weird kid to be in your group and you get a B+ because you had to do the heavy lifting for him too
>>542190230I have no doubt they will. But the reality is they're outnumbered by about 2.4:1000Not to mention the greater ramifications such as "even if I win, what do I do without workers?" They haven't been replaced by robots yet.
>>542190081This is just anarchist cope. Heirarchies will form whether you choose them or not. Who arbitrates between different collectives? If some collectives become more powerful than others, what stops them from amalgamating the smaller ones? Communism and Socialism rely on the good nature of men, whereas capitalism weaponises the greed of men. I have plenty of gripes about capitalism and it's current form, which is more of a technocratic oligarchy. The issue however is you seek to abolish it, with flowery ideals about us all singing kumbaya and getting along. There's no proposition for what happens if people cant collectively own wealth and live in harmony, you just expect it to happen naturally.
>>542190642Dunno. Suppose that's to be determined by whatever hypothetically arises.
>>542190583>what will I do without workers.lmao, imagine thinking that 100% of the workers can or would organize efficiently enough to seize all the production simultaneously. In reality, the police would arrest one factory's worth of people.
>>542190642>Communism and Socialism rely on the good nature of menAbsolutely delusional 12 year old. It's not "good nature" to collectivize the fruit of your labor to people who don't deserve it or if you simply don't want to and that's an extremely ridiculous notion of how communism and socialism works. If they weren't authoritarian, millions would just opt out over night. You are free to start your own intentional commune in rural Virginia selling tofu with your buddies btw, no one's stopping you.
>>542181464Because Americans by and large, do not thrust the government.With good reason.Americans do not wish to entrust the government with the management of more of our lives, than we are already legally forced to do, under threat of imprisonment, violence, and death.Americans will not willingly hand over even more power, to the government and allow them to micro-manage every facet of out lives, if we can help it.What is it that you do not understand about this?
>>542190808I see no reason it has to be done simultaneously.
>>542181464I don't want to pay for niggers to do even less, nor do I want to lure the entire planet to my country to live off our cradle to grave welfare state. This entire idea is a complete non-starter with the 50% White country that's getting browner by the second. You incredibly stupid nords are going to find out for yourself when your generous welfare systems are smashed beneath the weight of your decision to import infinity brown people. So, enjoy your little soap box while you can because that shit isn't going to last another decade without a radical course correction.
>>542181687Exlain what you mean by this. And use no buzz word, and no jargon. Speak like a normal human being would talk to another normal human being.
>>542188581If the government cannot stop the people from seizing the means of production, all that means is the people are the new government. A government is nothing more than the entity in a territory most capable of violence.
>>542189262>all of these policies are initiated by...the stateThat's the exact opposite of what you are being directly told by the poster you were poorly debating. Read the words, he doesn't even type as many as I do. The state has always sided with the ownership class. A state that didn't side with the ownership class would be a completely different beast instituted and enforced by completely different people. The state as it currently exists has not and would not initiate anything along these lines. Even if you personally feel that you could plausibly continue not making a distinction between this state and that, there would be a sizeable difference. You're also heavily conflating worker ownership with national ownership. Workers owning their own companies does not require that all workers all over the country/world own every company, including ones they don't work in; democratically owned/employee owned businesses already exist that don't work that way. Without blurring those two things, what you think is impossible comes into focus as something that has already happened in the real world.Other than that your only leg is that property rights can't exist without a state, but that applies to capitalism too so that's a wash. You might as well complain that our current state "delegates" ownership with deeds and corporate charters.
>>542191083>the entity in a territory most capable of violence.By that logic, the people already rule. The 2a did a fantastic job of ensuring the people are more capable of violence than the government.
>>542190762What will arise is warlords.
>>542191168Capacity for violence involves a willingness for violence. In america the fed is endlessly willing to do violence to its people. The people, sadly, are not as willing to do violence to the fed.
>>542191083The only counterpoint here is>Yeah but your new thing could also be called a governmentwhich is only profound to lolberts.
>>542181464>1pbtID
>>542191171Never said the angry mob was smart or correct. Merely a possibility. And if things get bad enough, an inevitability.
>>542191224Communists believe the government will vanish after the means of production is seized. No, they do not have a theory as to why this would happen, or how it will happen, but they're damned sure its going to vanish.
>>542191366You advocated for your third option here: >>542190081 In response to being challenged that it is the government that determines redistribution. Your response here is incoherent with that position.
>>542181464Because literally every socialist or communist thinks that if if the workers seized the means of production and the State controlled every aspect of the economy and society, it would magically become some kind of utopia where no one has to work and everything is free and everyone is equal and there's no money or rent or bills. But what they are actually imagining is some kind of imaginary post-scarcity fantasy society, which (if it is even possible) would only be achieved by some kind of massive technological breakthrough, not fucking socialism or communism.In literally every socialist or communist country that has ever existed, the people who brought about that system insisted that it would lead to that exact same kind of imaginary post-scarcity utopia. But literally every single time.>Everyone still had to work. Being unemployed was a serious crime called "Social Parasitism" and the reason they had zero unemployment was because all NEETs and NPNW types got sent to the gulag.>They still had money, which you still had to use to buy things in stores (if the stores actually had the thing you wanted; probably not).>They still had rent, it's just that your landlord was the State instead of some jew slumlord. The only "free" housing was the shittiest communal housing imaginable, even worse than the free public housing projects in western capitalist countries.>They still had income inequality. Wages were determined by the government, and different jobs had different pay scales. The workers in the highest pay band, like academic officials, received ~10x the wages of manual laborers in the minimum wage pay band.
>>542191443That's hardly advocating for something. My personal beliefs in the matter is that unionization is sufficient for the time being
>>542190897Trust the thirdie nigger to misunderstand my premise.If the workers are collectively in charge, they all have equal power. It relies on the good nature of one another. You hope that your coworker isn't taking goods under the table to make money on the side, you believe that your coworker will pull their weight for the collective, despite getting the same output as everyone else.The issue with collectives in general is the bigger they are, the less functional they are. Because you lose a personal connection to members of the collective. I'd happily run a commune with my close friends, because I trust and respect them. I wouldn't happily live in a commune with a bunch of people I don't know, because they could easily fuck me over.>>542191171Yep and thats what anarchists and lolbertarians don't understand. Heirarchies will naturally form. If you are ancap/lolbert then it will become corporate militias, if its leftist anarchy or anarcho commie, it's just warlords. Or perhaps warlords under another name, like the people's mining collective militia. It's all the same flavour of bullshit with different spices.
>>542181718you are a faggot and people who think socialism is a good idea are retards. this should also answer OP (a massive faggot as well)'s question completely and sufficiently
>>542185057this has been debunkedAmericans do not want to use public services that violent negros use and abuse like public transit or being funneled into the same shitty aids clinic. and yes those last 3 things are DSA redditroons fantasies
>>542182091Human nature.
>>542181619Can somebody help? I pulled up the sweater with Google Lens but they don't sell the colorway with brainmatter on the front of it anymore. Ebay maybe?
>>542181464We were founded on no taxation without representation. Thats why socialism for things like military or roads is permitted because it benefits everyone equally. Where socialism breaks down is when the government takes momey for things the people dont want or need. It costs money to run these things so the more socialism, the poorer everyone is by way of simple math.
>>542188581We ARE the government By the people, for the people.Euros wouldnt get it.
>>542184804My "other" car was a steal at 1800$ needing only two minor repair jobs I could handle myself. My "new" vehicle is a gift from family that I will also need to do a fairly major job on before winter sets in. My vehicle before these, I bought for 800$ and it needed what turned out to be a simple transmission repair job I did myself. It genuinely depresses me given I'm not even old. All of this happened in the past decade, and the newer vehicle is being delivered here for me to finish up the repairs in roughly a week. Young people who have no vehicle or prospect to own one are a disturbing anomaly to me, I have been just lucky enough to evade that situation. If I threw a rod tomorrow, I'd call out of work and take that pay hit then settle in with my brother in law after pooling funds from our extended family and knock the repair out. If I start sinking, my family will pull me up for air. If I thrive, I do the same for them. Alienation's for the rich. The poor can't survive without a safety net.
>>5421814641000 bullets for each and every communist
>>542181464Why should a worthless knuckle-dragging, watermelon-munching, chest-pounding, grape-drank-drinking, mumble-rapping, pants-sagging, dindu-nuffin, cotton-picking, escalade-driving, shop-lifting, gorilla nigger have the same level of ownership over production that I do?
>>542193380Sounds exhausting
>>542181464when you shove your fist in someone's asshole it can cause prolapse and loss of bladder control
>>542181464>Why does this make Americans shit and piss themselves?Whites pay enough for the jews and browns as it is.Kick them all out and we can talk.
>>542181575>I don’t want to share a busand you're expected to save a country? you're useless
>>542193629Cause your equally as dumb
>>542181517There’s a lot to be afraid of when contending with people so egotistical they think they can make a colony system that is opposed to human nature not only work but insist they can manage everyone’s lives better than they themselves can. And the rest are psychopaths who just want to size the new government powers.
>>542192329There are US states that are +90% white, but you'll still avoid anything that puts american citizens first, because of the negros you imagined in your head. You're subservient goyim.Reminder that we can't do literally anything in America, we can only enshittify. What's the last grand project the US has done, one that rivals works ing the past like the Golden Gate Bridge? Fucking nothing. We make things worse because the average americattle, like you, genuinely thinks that is 'literal communism' to do shit that benefits us.You vote to enshittify America to spite the black person they made up in their mind because a rich person on Fox News told them that if they make everything worse (for everyone but the billionaire class), everything will magically enter a golden age.>Free healthcare? Fuck that, black people will use it. Give all the money to Israel instead, so they can have free healthcare>More housing apartments? Fuck that, black people will use it. Let the landlords continue exploiting the low supply with insane rent prices and have Boomers and banks hoard all the homes>Good things happening in general? Fuck that, black people will benefit it. Lets continue the enshittification of everything until we're all goycattle and everything gets privatized to like 3 future trillionaires to own the libs
>>542192004No, communism and socialism don't rely on trust or good nature either. There's always someone in charge who has the final say and if you put everything up to a vote, you'd get nothing done.
>>542194701>Niggers aren't real guise!If only, anon. If, only.
