Have you ever noticed how every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil? As the apostle said many centuries ago, "Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things." Philippians 3:19If their god is not their belly, it is their ego. They are incapable of mercy and forgiveness. They see others' purity and it fills them with resentment. If you show them love, they see weakness and opportunity. When they should be giving gratitude, you find gossip. We all know this type.
>>542204293Bishop Fulton Sheen said, it was because they have a moral failing somewhere inside them— something that they’ve done or are actively doing, and because of this they actively resist religion.
>>542204293>>542204355I am an atheist. I have virtue. It is not the same virtue as you, though. The primary difference between you and I is that I have virtue for it's own sake, you have virtue because you are afraid that the narcissistic clown YAHWEH will punish you for behaving in the way that he made you. You have no innate virtue, only fear and submission in the face of cruelty levied against you by a tyrannical celestial genocidal heeb clown god.
>>542204480>me God you doo doo headso this... is the power... of atheism... waow!!
>>542204480> I have virtue.>Immediately acts like a narcissist.
>>542204551Not an agument>>542204576>my heeb god isn't a narcissist, you are!!!!
Define virtue. Most religious people I met including Christians commit deadly sins on a daily basis
>>542204293How many threads do you plan on making today, you annoying fuck?
>>542204293i work 7 days a week and think about ethics more than you do. stop reading the bible and start looking around the library, chump
>>542204293I believe in noahs ark, a burning bush told me it was going to pick me up from school. What did I see that afternoon? Noah in his ark rolling by to pick me up. Thank you jesus
>>542204293Weird, all public atheists in Poland are usually the ones who are virtuos, have families, do not commit crimes nor adultery. While all christians who talk so much about how jew is a god are adulterers, faggots, thieves, and want to eradicate big gruops of people. But they can confess their sins and it is all ok, right?
>>542204293>every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil
>>542204293Atheists can't keep their mouth shut about how much they hate God. Trying to get God's attention.
>>542204293why do you worship a hippie jew on a stick?
>>542204776>all public atheists in Polandwear colored hair and support abortion on demand, not whatever planet your headcanon fantasy is supposed to be from lmao
>>542204293the question one anon dared to ask on /pol/ at 230am. where are all the good people who don't pretend to believe in god?
you sound pretty hateful, OP
>>542204480>I have a treasure of heaven because I do not acknowledge the owner of that treasure or his sovereigntySo your a liar that imagines himself to be a thief? Amazing.
I personally cant wait to go to heaven where I can spend eternity with my fellow christian brothers from africahow about you guys?
>>542204293>Have you ever noticed how every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil?We all have hearts full of corruption and evil.That's why we need Christ.
>>542204854You would deny the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If I kept bringing it up over and over without pause, you would complain about it too. But you don't believe in it because it isn't real. This is me, but in reverse. I don't 'hate god', because it doesn't exist. Were you retards to stop bringing this shit up over and over, you wouldn't hear me complain about it/you.>>542204957I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about.
>>542204996All the women are in hell bro...that's more than enough reason for me to stay away. I would much rather deal with the niggers. Do you want to hear nagging harpies complaining about how hot it is for eternity?
>>542205032And that's exactly my point you fucking idiot. You don't even know what virtue IS and yet you imagine yourself to have it even though you are unqualified to posses it.
>>542205075You're ranting about treasure and thievery, you clown. I don't have any treasure, I haven't stolen anything since I was 4 and stole a mars bar, and didn't like how it felt to do so, and so didn't steal again. You have lost your mind.
>>542204293>smuggle in a definition of virtue as "follows my favorite rulebook">WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FOLLOW MY FAVORITE RULEBOOK NOT VIRTUOUS?!?!?!?!Maybe it's because you define virtue in a way which literally a priori excludes atheism kek. This is some SUPER weak shit
>>542204655None of that matters. All that matters is you pretend to be a good Christian. God doesn't actually know when his followers are being sincere so he lets them into heaven regardless.
>>542205037I would rather be deleted personally
>>542205103"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God",
>>542204735The quote you posted would sound smart if you're a halfwit. It makes no sense. And FYI, I have two entire shelves in my library filled with books on moral philosophy.
>>542204293Ricky has donated more to charity than you ever will you retarded cunt
>>542205224All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.Isaiah 64:6
>>542205352No one gives a fuck about your jewish fairy tales you circumcised shabbos goy cunt
>>542204480>this point has NEVER been refutedyou love to see it hahahaha
IDK, they are always pissed off. Demons are always portrayed as pissed off too.
kek low IQ christcucks proving rickies point everytime the post this
>>542205415And like demons, they are best avoided because they drain your peace and joy.
problme with atheists is they dont like trump or israel and they are demonic
There is no such thing as god. Never was. Never has been. Never will be.Anyway, church leaders smell kind hearted people like sharks smell blood, and twist their arm into following them, just like how Catholic priests target choirboys with predatorial instincts, its the same scenario.
>>542204293Have you ever noticed how magic tome enjoyers love to make moral and value judgements about other people, rather than just minding their own business and getting on with their own life?
>>542204293>Their mind is set on earthly things.>They are incapable of mercy and forgiveness.Do you not see your own failings? You should concern yourself less with atheists and more with your own spiritual journey. And any man who considers himself more virtuous than his peers has a very long journey ahead of him.Of course, this is just bait so no reason to be so serious. Enjoy this ancient pic I saved 12 or so years ago.
>>542205352Yes yours, you jew worshippers are unclean and flthy. These books you quote talk about you and jews. Not about anyone else.
>>542204854>Trying to get God's attention.Which one?
>>542204293It was real in your mind, and it goes to our advantage
>>542204480>The primary difference between you and I is that I have virtue for it's own sakewhere does your virtue come from? From your ego? If so, how is that virtue and not egocentrism?
>>542204293The virtuous ones become some flavor of pagan because atheism is a modern capitalist religion where its adherents define themselves as consumers
>>542205737Yeah - religious people have never been known to partake in consumerism.
>>542205862Atheists have the same personality type as religious zealots. But their religion is whatever media shovels in their face as "science." Western atheists are just another form of Christianity, who reject supernatural elements then deride Christians for not living up to the standard of Christian morality atheists aspire to have. Basically, if you live in the West and call yourself an "atheist," you're another red-letter Christian who zealously defends the modern secular authority
>>542205862Religious people have no arguments against logical disbelief, so they invent "religions" that atheists supposedly follow so it puts atheists and religious people on the same playing field. They unknowingly concede that religion is inherently retarded.
>>542205939Just fuck off, leave people alone - and mind your own business. How about that.
>>542205675Kudos to you for being the first person in this thread to reply to me with an actual argument:>where does your virtue come from? From your ego? If so, how is that virtue and not egocentrism?I am guessing that you and I have a differing understanding of what Virtue even is. The word virtue is derived from the latin word 'Virtus', which 'vir' just means 'man', and virtus essentially means manliness. The concept of virtus evolved over time in Roman society to meaning courage, fortitude, honesty, forthrightness, and wisdom in the application of the strength one possesses. This is why I said in the post you're responding to that I have virtue, but it is different from Christian virtue. I don't care in the slightest for self aggrandizement, I keep to myself, so I do not believe my virtue comes from the ego. My virtue comes from my consciousness, which is actually where everyone's virtue comes from.To me, christian virtue comes from ego. It is the ego that creates fear, and the average christian is taken by the idea that God loves them personally, and that they will be punished if they don't submit. I don't believe that YAHWEH is real, but even if I knew for a fact he was real, I still wouldn't worship him because he is objectively, ontologically evil. Even if I faced torture and the threat of oblivion, then that is still the virtuous choice to oppose him, because being forthright and courageous is the height of virtue. My ego would tell me one thing, and my internal system of virtue would tell me another.So whatever it is that is the source of my virtue, it is certainly not ego.
>>542204293If you look for what you want you'll find what you want. Were it not for exposure to Indians I'd be a non-religious sort without hatred in my heart. Sadly Indians exist and continue to behave in antisocial ways.
What the fuck is a virtuous atheist? Somebody that generally follows the law and doesn't be an asshole to other people? Because if so then that's just most atheists, just like how most religious people are generally law abiding people too.
>>542204293Yeah we call those “criminally inclined people”.
>>542205992Timely -> >>542205939I honestly don't give a shit what people want to believe in - just don't force it on me. It's also cringe to think you're superior to others in some way.
>>542206032No, I won't do that. Because you're a nigger-worshiping philosemite who thinks he broke out of Christianity despite being yet another creationist who works against White interests and shields the jew. Watching a Carl Sagan documentary from 30 years ago doesn't make you enlightened, it makes you another dumbass jew-worshiper>>542205992>if you don't accept judeo-atheism you must be judeo-christian!!!1another retard
>>542204480Actually Christians are explicitly told that if they behave virtuously in expectation of a reward then they aren't virtuous and will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Christians are not commanded to do good, but to *be* perfect, as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
They are degenerates and homosexuals who try to justify their homosexuality or evil by saying if God doesnt exist then neither does good
>>542204293Because the answer requires insight
the only thing worse than a non-believer is a traitor. Betrayal is the sin of Judas. Do you really think you can trick God?
>>542206132>Da JEWSAren't Jews le heckin God's chosen people? Show some respect. Write another $1tn cheque for Israel, and be sure to donate at the collection plate.
>>542206132I never mentioned Christianity, I said "religious people." Get off the internet, you retarded faggot.
>>542206194I'm not a christcuck you fucking retard, you worship kikes more than I ever could>>542206212kys jew-worshiper
>>542206144Seeking a reward, and avoiding suffering/punishment aren't the same thing. All of history is crammed full of people fearing retribution, and confessing/converting on their death beds. The vast majority of christians are only christians because that's what they were born into. If they were adopted out to Iraq, then they would be muslims.The vast majority of people are just retards, and most christians are, by the standards of what you suggest, terrible chrisitans. But all that somewhat begs the question: if this god were as good as christians say, would he really give a shit whether or not someone were a "good christian"? Or would he care if a person was a good and just person?
I've never met a single person who didn't acknowledge Christ's sovereignty that could be trusted. Not one. They will inevitably betray you in pursuit of their lusts. They will justify any wrongdoing by claiming "necessity". They will hate you for loving what is righteous and if they had the power, I suspect that they would murder you for nothing more than the sake of convenience.
>>542206310>I'm not a christcuckWhat are you then?
>>542205675Where does your virtue come from, from a book that has justified all sorts of evil including slavery and genocide throughout history?
>>542206431>They will inevitably betray you in pursuit of their lusts.Tell that to the little boys diddled by pedo priests.
>>542204293I’ve never met a virtuous christian, not even a christian that gives a fuck about their dogma kek.
>>542204854Agnosticism is the humble and intellectually curious position
>>542206456Who are you to determine that slavery and genocide is evil. If you were to compare slavery as an alternative to genocide, would that not be a mercy?By what moral authority do you claim to be the judge of good and evil?
>>542206478Do pedophile priests acknowledge Christ's sovereignty or are they using his name in vain as wolves in sheep's clothing? Reading comprehension bruh.
>>542206509Based on what preserves human civilization, good health, happiness and liberty for everyone.
>>542204293>How come we can't find atheists that worship Jews like meWhy do Christcucks ALWAYS
>>542206431https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine%2C_Affluence%2C_and_MoralityYour ethics taken to it's logical conclusion by this jew leaves civilization indebting itself for the sake of wild niggers forever. You and every other christian has the capacity to end the horrors of the world tomorrow, and yet you don't. People like you who make this argument aren't only hypocrites, you are by your own standards, evil.
>>542206543>Literally priests>Nu-uhhh, they're not ACTUAL Christian, because I SAY SOLol, lmao even. Pathetic.
>>542204293>Why is it impossible to find a virtuous atheistBecause you live in Australia, same shit goes for AmericaYou are born to be goycattle because if you don't have the fear of imaginary damnation like a loaded gun to your head you will immediately sperg out and rape/kill anything that moves.I feel like the only country where atheism genuinely works is my own. I don't know a single christcuck or mudslime, yet the community where i live is polite, friendly and we can sleep with our doors unlocked without the fear of rape and murder and without the god delusion.
>>542206547There is no human civilization that has ever been preserved. All of them are dust as we will one day be. Happiness is fleeting and does not satisfy. Liberty and health are good things but they are not virtues unto themselves.You wish to please everyone? What about the people who wish to do evil with all of their hearts who can only be satisfied with the destruction of innocence? Where is the line drawn and by what authority do you draw it? Why should I not simply murder you if I disagree?
>>542206605>an anecdote is an argumentWhat logic are you even talking about? I said I don't trust niggas that don't believe that Christ is King. That doesn't need to be backed up by anything at all. It's my own personal observation.
>>542206640Please do try to understand the subject matter you are speaking on before speaking on it. Lest I be forced to call you a nigger.
>>542206657I also meant human civilization as in humanity. Genocide destroys humanity and slavery slowly does the same. That can never be good unless we're talking about forced labor for certain prisoners.There should be safeguards against and pressure put on those trying to destroy humanity. Exactly where the line is drawn is always difficult, it has to be negotiated and figured out on a case by case basis. Strong borders, legalizing self defense and punishing serious crime for starters.
>>542204293>Why is it impossible to find a virtuous jew?>Why is it impossible to find a virtuous child molester?ftfy
>>542206419>most christians are, by the standards of what you suggest, terrible chrisitans.It's not what I suggest, it's what Christ commanded. Matthew 5:48. But yes, that's correct. It's an unattainable standard and really understanding it will make you very distressed at your many, many shortcomings. Augustine's Confessions are a really good exploration of this.>But all that somewhat begs the question: if this god were as good as christians say, would he really give a shit whether or not someone were a "good christian"? Or would he care if a person was a good and just person?Yeah this is why grace and forgiveness are miracles and divine mysteries, because we certainly don't deserve them. There's a wonderful symmetry to it, an impossible duty but forgiveness for failure. But forgiveness for failure does not lift the duty.
>>542204293>doesn't realize that wolves wearing sheep's clothing are worse than someone that thinks you're just a retard
>>542206806If ten million people show up in your county for the specific purpose of setting your house on fire while you sleep and you have access to a Jewish space laser that can obliterated them instantly...if you press the button is killing all ten million of them genocide or is it self defense? Would forcing them into slavery be more humane? Who gets to decide which is correct?
>>542206851>grace and forgiveness are miracles and divine mysteries, because we certainly don't deserve themThey were created solely for humans, retard. We're the only things that "deserve" them. God invented these concepts knowing humans were going to be rotten. Bullshit like this is why no one takes Christianity or Christians seriously.
>>542206791>Nooooo you simply don't understand, you are a stupid pleb, whilst I meanwhile am enlightened >Let me explain to you why pedo priests raping boys is OK akshully because they're not real ChristcucksLol.
>>542206725That's not what an anecdote is.>What logic are you even talking about?That you talk about not knowing a single non-christian person with ethics (this, your personal experience, is an example of an anecdote), and cannot be trusted, but saying that they will abandon any stated value system at the drop of the hat for the sake of convenience or expediency. I said that this is an irrelevant hypocritical position for someone calling out atheists as bereft of moral fiber, meanwhile christians, who have both the means and the stated preference for what they call to be good, don't do so despite having a lifetime of opportunity. There are multitude horrors taking place in the world right now that could be stopped, but you don't do it. Why? Because christians, just like the non-christians you criticize, cannot be trusted to act beyond convenience or expediency either. They cloak themselves in the abstract notions of chrisitan virtue ethics, and then do nothing. By the logic of your post, most christians are scum too. Making the blanket argument about atheists being scum rank hypocrisy.>>542206851Creating humanity to never meet the standards you set for them, only to establish their suffering as some sort of mandated divine test, is cruelty of the highest order. Why must I grovel for forgiveness from something that created me broken and demands that I be whole? Standards must be attainable or they are nothing but torture by fiat without cause.
>>542206988This is called presumption, and it one of the more grievous sins against the Holy Spirit. "Oh, I can do whatever I want and God will forgive me because I deserve it :D". Repent immediately. You are a miserable failure.
>>542206999Waste of trips for someone who is, infact, a nigger
>>542207119Okay pedo defender.
>>542207074>Creating humanity to never meet the standards you set for them, only to establish their suffering as some sort of mandated divine test, is cruelty of the highest order. Why must I grovel for forgiveness from something that created me broken and demands that I be whole? Standards must be attainable or they are nothing but torture by fiat without cause.The cosmological answer is that man was created perfect and chose to introduce sin into his nature. The more psychological answer is that perfection isn't literally unattainable, we just choose to fail constantly. It is entirely our own fault.
>>542206930A nation has the right to protect its citizens from invasion. The context you're presenting sounds like another country declaring total war. That's not the context for justifying slavery based on race or based on wanting to make a profit historically. How can that be explained? How could slavery happen under religious and christian rule which its adherents claim is virtuous and an opposing force against that sort of evil?
>>542205224Tax writeoffs in the form of charity donations doesn't make somebody a good person.
>>542207074All of those things I have personally witnessed and experienced. What makes you think I don't fight against those evils? How do you know I haven't personally been responsible for averting catastrophe through well time use of spiritual warfare?I will agree with you that most christians are scum. I walk the walk though. I fail to see the hypocrisy. None of this is abstract to me. There are witches in the dirt right now because they tried to stick their hands in the wrong cookie jar.
>>542207115God didn't invent forgiveness for lions who eat baby zebras. He made it for human sinners. If humans didn't sin, there would be no reason for forgiveness to exist. If there were sinners and no forgiveness, then God's retarded experiment on earth would also be pointless (even though God knows the outcome, so it's pointless in any case).
>>542207229And how much have you donated to charity?
>>542207301Lions don't have the capacity for sin, they don't have free will. Presuming that you will be forgiven, or that you deserve to be forgiven, for your many, many failings is to treat God as some sort of tool or get-out-of-jail free card.
>>542204293Sneering semitic laws and rules at people isn't virtue. It just makes you sound like a jewish lawyer.
>>542207166>The cosmological answer is that man was created perfect and chose to introduce sin into his nature.God making the innate quality of his creation one of intense curiosity and yearning for self-improvement, and then punishing them for being so, is the act of "sin". If we are sinful it is because he created us this way. He is the source of evil because he is evil.>The more psychological answer is that perfection isn't literally unattainable, we just choose to fail constantly. It is entirely our own fault.Who made us this way? If your god were real, then he should feel shame. At first for creating a flawed being, and then demanding obedience, reverence, and worship. This is the basis for my claim that if your god exists, then he is ontologically evil. I won't beg forgiveness for broadening my horizons, and being the best person I can be.>>542207248And most atheists are communist scumbags. The point I am making is that you are presupposing that no atheist you have met is a good person based on the notion that they are atheists, despite this not being truly tested, and that christians all do the exact same things. What was the purpose in the original statement here >>542206431 then?
>>542207539It has been tested and they have been found wanting. I stand by my words. I have never met a single one. But do take note that I am not limiting that to just atheists, but ALL theists that do not acknowledge Christ's sovereignty as well. Although, I will admit, I DO live in Miami and have for most of my life. That very well might explain why I do not ever meet "good" people, atheist or otherwise.
>>542207539I don't understand what curiosity and self-improvement have to do with it. Man uniquely sins because man is uniquely free. Sin arises from our choices. The alternative would be to deprive us of choice entirely.
>>542204576Why you are pretending the OP didn't claim atheists can't be virtuous lolYou narcissistic abrahamics think you are the only moral agents and the rest are either potential converts or cattle to serve your narcissistic asses.
>>542207539>And most atheists are communist scumbags.You fucking Jesus was more of a commie than any atheist. Who was giving out to the poor, who was fighting against families "brother against brother father against son"? Who was fighting against established order? Who was "feeding the poor" who was absolving whores?The fucking hypocrisy of jew worshippers os tiresome. Lobotomized chimps have far more reason than you retards.
>>542204293jewnigger bitch
>>542207818What is the source of your morality and what gives it authority to say that my desire to murder you for having it is wrong? What if my morality tells me it's alright to display your mutilated corpse as an example to those who would oppose my morality?How do you determine which morality is correct? Or is it all subjective? Or do you simply not know what the fuck you're even talking about?
>>542207877I'm agnosticI'll say, Christian socialism is an interesting topic to read about. Catholicism has also said good things about demsoc.
>>542207775Original sin is man broadening his horizons with the access to knowledge available to him, and being punished, cast out, for doing so. God demanded blind obedience and submission of a creature he created with these traits only to rugpull them for being the way he created them to be.>The alternative would be to deprive us of choice entirely.What choice was made that deserved everyone being cast out into suffering, in perpetuity?>>542207877I am an atheist, but I recognize that most atheists are communist scumbags, and that what I refer to as "communists" here are essentially chrisitan humanists who abandoned the eschatological basis of their reasoning and made mankind the total arbiter of reality.
>>542204293And Christcucks only pretend to be virtuous and cry about persecution when they don't have power. But if they do get into power, then they are the ones doing the persecution and tyranny.
>>542204917>wear colored hair and support abortion on demand, And how is this a bad thing while your christian priests make homosexual orgies where fag prostitute is fucked so hard he ends up in hospital?How is this bad when your christian politicians want to wage war and kill Ukrainian christians because Russia will be sad?How is this bad when Christians in USA support Israel and want to destroy world so we get end times and jewish messiah?How is this bad when your catholic and christian politicians stole so much money from the people thay had to fucking run away from Poland from justice system?Really the fucking nerve on these atheists! Colouring hair!!!! HOW DARE THEY!??!?!Fucking jew worshipping scum like you make me sick. You would even make Jesus sick if he saw you and your morality which is far closer to pharisean one than to what Jesus did preach. You are the fucking scumiest of scum. The Bible is about condemnig pharisees and how they behave, but I look at ones like you and I see that you thought the Pharisees are the good guy from the Bible, this is why you act like them and not like Jesus nor his disciples.You are literally like pharisee who was praying at the temple and condemning customs official for doing his job, while he was the evil one. It is exaclty what every single fucking hypocrite christian does. You go about how moral are you and how the rest is evil while you are the fucking scum like pharisees. And nothing will change your mind despite this shit being written in the Bible as something you should not do.
>>542207963Anyone was talking to you you faggot?
>>542204293because they are too busy being gay
>>542207964You condemn yourself with the choices that you make every single day. I really don't like this attitude that we shouldn't be free because freedom means we can err. I'm not sure you're being sincere with me.
>>542207966Like every single abrahamic religion. They are all for peace and coexistence when they are weak. When they get into the power, there can be only one. It is deep rooted in judaism that they are the right and chosen ones and this is what christianity and islam follows in the core.
>>542208184What choice was it that was made, which subjected humanity, in perpetuity, to condemnation, for original sin? Can you answer the question, please.
>>542204480you can't be truly alturistic/selfless/compassionate if your a christian, atleast not if our motivated by your beliefs.If your motivation for doing something is punishment/reward from an unseen entity your not doing it for selfless reasons
>>542208256I did. We condemn ourselves every single day by choosing to sin and failing to be perfect.
>>542208465You keep sidestepping the question, so I will answer it for you: The great crime of original sin was Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge. God demanded they submit to him and live in darkness and ignorance, while creating them to be curious, and have an innate drive to be more, to be better, to want to understand, to push boundaries; and when the inevitable final result occurred, he cast them, and all who followed, out of paradise to bow and scrape in perpetuity. That is vile.Humanity doesn't "choose sin", it was chosen for us when we were created to be one thing, and demanded to be another. The true original sin belongs to your god alone. By this I declare that your god, if he were real, is ontologically evil, and that it is the height of virtue to oppose him.
>>542204293I can't get no settled mind bro.
>>542204480BasedChristcucks seethe.
The atheist Ricky Gervais couldn't even marry his girlfriend and start a family. He doesn't believe in marriage because he is an atheist. He can't impregnate his girlfriend because he's a closeted homosexual.
>>542207938you fags genuinely believe this is an argument?
>>542208986Everyone looked gay in the 80s.
Let's go through the gallery of famous public atheists, shall we?Exhibit A: Suzy Izzard
>>542204293showing any mercy and forgiveness to jews was a mistake
Exhibit B:Seth MacFarlane
>>542209181
op is boiling lol
all crossniggers need to be killed
Exhibit C: Stephen FryWow, I wonder what all these atheists have in common?
>>542209283They were probably raised Christian. Most Western atheists are.
Christianity is a Juedo cuck religion, so...
>>542209334Western elites are not atheists, they're luciferians. Atheism is a LARP for middleclass pseudos.
>>542209283Stephen Fry is a jew and a pedophile but apart from that he is just like you and me.
>>542209531>australian meth addict post
>>542206039> My virtue comes from my consciousness, which is actually where everyone's virtue comes from.Anon I can tell you what your consciousness is. It is a collection of involuntary impulses which create an illusion of control and will. The most powerful of which is your ego.To assume that you have control over your ego is to pretend divinity. Which is exactly why atheists reject god, as they assume their mind already is god. But in reality they’re just worshipping a collection of impulses they assume are entirely theirs. The start of virtue and spirituality comes from the admission that you are not the peak of agency, power and awareness pyramid. This is why these admissions arrive to older and wiser people - it comes with greater experience of the world and greater ability to connect the dots.
>>542209211>The start of virtue and spirituality comes from the admission that you are not the peak of agency, power and awareness pyramid.Spirituality has nothing to do with it, but I agree that one of the pillars of virtue are recognition that you are not beyond change and improvement.>To assume that you have control over your ego is to pretend divinity.I don't pretend divinity, and yet there are several cases in my life where I have proven to be able to ignore my ego and act on principle anyway, even to my own detriment.>Anon I can tell you what your consciousness is. It is a collection of involuntary impulses which create an illusion of control and will.Illusion of control, yes. Not of will. My will is real, because it can be measured in the real world by what it manifests.
imagine being a fucking jew worshipper lmao
>>542204480stunning and brave
99% of people in the epstein files are christian lol the rest are jewsabrahamics trying to place blame on someone else as usual
>>542204293By the same standards you impose upon atheists, I have never met a virtuous Christian. You're all a bunch of people in glass houses throwing stones. Most of you on this site are 2016 election diaspora who don't remember the corruption and ineptitude of your community that made atheism so attractive to the young people of that generation.
>>542204293Christians mutilate toddlers penises.
>>542209687> ignore my ego and act on principle anyway1. Acting on principle is not virtue, principles come from ego, that is also where stubbornness comes from 2. Ignoring your ego isn’t something any man can really do, especially when he doesn’t understand how his ego operates > My will is real, because it can be measured in the real world by what it manifests.If consequences of your behaviour are the proof of your will, then how are consequences of the actions of animals are not proof of their will?Will is commonly associated with human agency, because animals act on instinct. You need to find better proof of your will to distinguish yourself from animals
>>542204480completely based atheism is better than desert threat fables for sure (though agnosticism or theism without cult attachments are far better than it)
>>542205186God is omniscient, retard.
>>542209909This discussion is just degenerating into an argument over semantics.>If consequences of your behaviour are the proof of your will, then how are consequences of the actions of animals are not proof of their will?Animals do have will. It never manifests in a higher form, because they lack the intelligence to understand the necessary context.> Acting on principle is not virtueAccording to you. Being forthright, and not taking an easy path just because it is expedient to do so, is "acting on principle" and it is virtuous.
>>542204293You probably don't know any atheists, only retarded christkikes, and you're projecting their retardation onto everyone else.For a high IQ person that sees the self-evident value of social harmony and cohesion there's literally no reason to not be virtuous to your fellow people.The fact that you live in a post-white society probably doesn't help either. If you lived in a homogeneous society the idea of basic social harmony wouldn't be so foreign to you, I guess.
>>542204480christkeks in shambles after this post
>>542210138No, people claiming to be virtuous are the most narcissic pieces of shit. I speak from experience.
>>542209837Ermm.. in this one jewish cola child rapist study they mostly preferred diet child rapist cola over regular child rapist cola though.DID YOU JUST CALL DIET COLA COLA?!?! MY JEW COLA BOOK IS ONLY 2/3rds PURE JEW, WE HAVE A NEWJEW TESTAMENT!!! IT ONLY CONDONES CHILD MUTILATION RATHER THAN REQUIRES IT!!! WE ARE HOLY
>>542209968Yet Christians think can fool God. There isn't a single "Christian" on /pol/ who is making it into heaven. If I were God, I would hate Christian hypocrites more than unbelievers.
>>542204293>atheists have nothing except insulting jesusreally makes you think
>>542210299>christians make everything about their blood cult zombie jew god so much that it is all they pay attention toreally makes you think
>>542210299There's plenty more to insult than Jesus.
>>542209641It's actually true. People like Gervais aren't high enough in the pecking order for demonic worship to matter. Lord Rothschild has different habits.
>>542210056> Animals do have willIf animals had will they’d be held accountable for murder. Will is choice. Animals have no choices over their actions. This is why punishment is legally inflicted only on creatures who choose the bad option. >According to you. Being forthright, and not taking an easy path just because it is expedient to do so, is "acting on principle" and it is virtuous.Children often act in self harming ways on principle - for example on principle that their parent should always buy them toys. Is this an example of virtuous behaviour?Some people take the most difficult principled path - like staying single and having no children, because their principles demand a prince on a white horse. Is this also virtuous?Some engage in outright masochism on principle as well. Is that virtue?
>>542210226>you are unable to get into heaven !!!!! god doesnt even like you!literally demon infested
>>542210361>Children often act in self harming ways on principle - for example on principle that their parent should always buy them toys. Is this an example of virtuous behaviour?>Some people take the most difficult principled path - like staying single and having no children, because their principles demand a prince on a white horse. Is this also virtuous?I highlighted the specifics of what I consider to be virtues earlier, in my first reply to you. The obvious answer is no.>If animals had will they’d be held accountable for murder. Will is choice. Animals have no choices over their actions. This is why punishment is legally inflicted only on creatures who choose the bad option.Animals are held accountable for murder. We shoot them. But to the spirit of your post, rather than the words: animals can't be held legally responsible for murder because they are retarded. Which is why kids aren't held responsible for murder. Which is why women get the kid gloves when they murder somebody compared to men. Because they are of lower intelligence.
>>542210506>muh jewish mythological monstersYou're embarrassing.
>>542204480Theists BTFO
>>542210631>it's all lies, that's why I'm circumcisedI'm embarrassed for you. I embarrode.
>>542210585> Animals are held accountable for murderNo. There is no accountability involved. If a dangerous animal is shot, it is only because he would have been shot anyway even if he didn’t kill anyone. Elimination of such animals is connected to the level of danger they present to a specific human area or other animal population. When humans are held accountable, it is to enforce law - and communicate/teach acceptable behaviour to the rest. Animals are neither subjects or law nor subjects of culture or social needs. >I highlighted what I consider to be virtues It took humans multiple generations to highlight virtues, so I’d say you’re a prodigy with your new philosophy
>>542204293Virtue is wrong. If you can get away with it and if you can benefit from it. You should do it.Christianity only stops you from your true potential.All this nonsense we go through with Israel when we could flatten it and then colonize the middle east ourselves.
>>542210895>No. There is no accountability involved. If a dangerous animal is shot, it is only because he would have been shot anyway even if he didn’t kill anyoneWhat? There are dogs which attack people who get shot after the fact, that otherwise would not have been shot. I agree with the rest, but it is also irrelevant.>No. There is no accountability involved. If a dangerous animal is shot, it is only because he would have been shot anyway even if he didn’t kill anyoneWhat? Maybe there's a language barrier here or something, but I talked about the whole virtues issue here:>>542206039Where I said>The word virtue is derived from the latin word 'Virtus', which 'vir' just means 'man', and virtus essentially means manliness. The concept of virtus evolved over time in Roman society to meaning courage, fortitude, honesty, forthrightness, and wisdom in the application of the strength one possesses.
>>542204293They’ll all die soon because they modified their genes to produce endless spike protein. Atheists are terrified of death which, despite their rage, makes them harmless impotent cowards.
>>542204551more powerful than your jewish mount sinai serpent judging by the belief trends and sociocultural trajectory>>542204996>I personally cant wait to go to heaven where I can spend eternity with my fellow christian brothers from africadon't forget all the jews destined to be our superiors in heaven!>>542207938>How do you detemine which morality is correct?oh sorry are we all supposed to live our lives basing them completely around the hebrew bible and saul the pharisee's ramblings like your stupid jew worshipping ass?>>542209531western elites are atheists, agnostics, christians and jews you have to be an actual subhuman to believe otherwise
>>542211106> What? There are dogs which attack people who get shot after the fact, that otherwise would not have been shot. I agree with the rest, but it is also irrelevantYes they get shot after they prove they are dangerous. Humans however are usually placed into prison as punishment.What is the punishment? Removal of freedom to exercise will. If animals had will, they’d also be put in prison. > The concept of virtus evolved over time in Roman society to meaning courage, fortitude, honesty, forthrightness, and wisdom in the application of the strength one possesses.This definition doesn’t really make for virtuous behaviour. Greeks had a similar but more sophisticated explanation of virtue through the concept of Arete. It resembles what you wrote but it fixated on effectiveness and true potential. But a man’s true potential is not the same as of an isolated egocentric animal. Humans, as Greeks defined, are political animals - so their true potential is intrinsically connected to the Polis. And overall, my recommendation for you is that you should study the ancient classics, and then also a bit of Carl Jung, to underhand the whole scope of human consciousness. For now you’re only relying on teenager hubris.
>>542204293>if no god why I don't rape?religion is the best tool to hold civilization, those who don't understand it are stupid af
>>542205210and your Canada gf reads them to you every night
>>542204293It's amazing to me that jews told christians their ancestral faith and traditions were evil and then they simply just believed them.If you are a christian, by default, your judgment is objectively unreliable.
Fuck Jesus, The Trojan Horse of JudaismReject the rotten Rabbi & return to your rootsWhy Paganism is demonized - How christians are used to fulfill jewish prophecieshttps://old.bitchute.com/video/CLfnLaXIOeWy/
>Theists create theistic principles>Atheist thinks those principles are stupid and arbitrary>Atheist is no longer virtuousYou're literally just baking the premise into the question, you stupid fucking christcuck.
>>542211440The only reason jews have relevance is because of Christianity. If europeans remained Pagan we would have had no troubles or moral dilemma of crushing them.
>>542210226>Yet Christians think can fool GodYou're thinking of american evangelical Judeo-Christians, retard-kun.American Christians are retarded. They worship judaism as if modern judaism isnt an explicit rejection of Christ.
Atheism' isn't a belief system it merely demands evidence for one claim. Is there a word for not believing Super Man?
>>542212123You're all retarded wannabe Jews.
>>542204293Yes, but invariably the admit themselves to be agnostics. They usually are much more open to religious systems than most self-described "atheists" in my experience.I had an atheist friend, one of the smartest people in my friend group. I wouldn't say he was "virtuous", but defnitely moral. Kinda viewed life as a prison we all share together. His burden of ardent philosophical pessimism was counteracted by the "absurdist" desire to mitigate suffering through kind acts and an open mind, even if he felt that it relied upon an a priori leap of logic to assume that *not* suffering was better than suffering, and that conscious existence is better than non-existence.He's actually the guy that introduced me to /pol back during the Dorner fiasco.Oh, and he's a Christian now.
>>542204293>Have you ever noticed how every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil?I find the same of self professed Christians
>>542204293literally the dumbest lowest iq post I've read today and it's from an abrahamoidsurprise is something I'm currently not feeling
>>542204480What are your virtues? Are they any of the following? Chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, kindness, patience, humility?If not, what are the virtues you believe you possess? Please try and be specific.
>>542204293They dont have the backbone to go against the herd
>>542214154>Chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, kindness, patience, humility?What are you even trying to prove with this? These aren't traits exclusive to Christianity, and having them/pursuing them doesn't make you more Christian in itself.
>>542214872I want to know what he defines as a virtue. I think the Christian virtues are a good litmus test of what most people think when they attempt to assign a definition to the word.Because I think most people would find it odd if I said something like "I have virtue, because eating a lot of donuts is a virtuous, and I eat the most donuts, so I am the most virtuous", right?So the poster said he had virtue, and that his virtues were meaningful because they were followed regardless of a higher power rewarding adherence to said virtues being offered. That's great, but it doesn't give us an idea of what those virtues are. He needs to define what he thinks virtue is comprised of.
>>542215059Hm, that's fair enough then.
>>542214872He's trying to prove that you are a shit eating retard that doesn't know what he's even talking about.It worked.
>>542204293>has a heart full of corruption and evil?Right-hand-path occultist here, and this is also my exact finding about Christians.You are full of nothing but judgement for others, and blindness towards your own sins.Atheists often manage to find the parts of virtue that are omitted from your bible, and good for them, but YOU are the far greater problem because your constant fucking judgement coupled with your ignorance has caused you to literally GIVE GOODNESS A BAD NAME.You are a failure and a traitor to everything Jesus actually stood for.
>>542204293>Have you ever noticed how every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil?No? Why do you need to make up lies about people?
>>542215259How did it work? By all means explain what it is that I supposedly don't know.
>>542215305When your beliefs are based on lies, lying is the only way you can defend it.
>>542204957>I imagine this treasure can only be found in my interpretation of heaven and its host. So you're the moron who thinks he can gate keep morals and virtue? Amazing
>>542215475Yup
>>542211681There's a Christian cross on your national flag.
>>542215857And there's astrology on yours...
kikes are desperate to get their goyim slaves back on their guilt plantation to spam threads like these and have dedicated shills
>>542216021Astronomy, anon, not astrology. Ironically enough the star group on the Australian flag is called the Southern Cross.
>>542204293>every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evilPost documentation for your lie.
>>542204293Displaying a badge of affiliation is no substitute for inner work.Conscious personal effort is still required to develop the necessary qualities. A flag, a badge, or formal affiliation is not enough.
>>542216122I would say constellations drift more into astrology.After all, the shape of a constellation isn't a property of anything about the stars at all, just our viewing direction.>>542216175He has none, obviously, but there's a far better point to be making here: And that's the fact that when assholes like this guy act like the world is full of nothing but their adversaries, they are very literally thinking "Satanically".That's not just "evil from a Christian perspective", that adversarial mindset is the actual root of evil in the world in a way that even secular people can understand.
>>542204293I've never met a Reddit atheist that wasn't some kind of troon, cuck in a polycule, or porn addict. I wouldn't be surprised if desiring complete degenerate lust is one of their reasons they hate religion so much. They're all manchildren who want to live like permanent 16 year olds, collecting funko pops and gooning to degeneracy.
>>542204293For the same reason it's impossible to find a virtuous Christian. People in general are not virtuous
>>542204293Most Atheists live by the Golden rule so I don't get what you're trying to insinuate here...
>>542216493National borders are also just our viewing direction, but they're still a part of geography. It's the same story here. Astronomy is about the stars themselves, astrology is about how the stars impact your personality or predict your future. Mapping the stars into specific constellations makes them easier to track, but there's nothing supernatural to it.
>>542204293Funny guy! Can you post him mocking Mohammad or jews?
>>542216819>I don't get what you're trying to insinuate here...It always comes back to the same thing:>My church doesn't just study divinity, it IS DIVINITY ITSELF.Personally, I think atheists need to learn to get a little moral dander and understand that they ARE actually above this sort of thinking.>>542216842>astrology is about how the stars impact your personality or predict your future.And that's what you're doing when you take a constellation and put it on a national flag.You're not invoking the physical scientific properties of those 5, non-special stars, you're invoking the image of the constellation to attach aspects of its meaning to a national symbol.That's pure astrology.
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>>542204480>virtue for virtues sakeKek sounds like anything can be a virtue then
>>542217021>That's pure astrology.No, it's really not. The Australians didn't add the Southern Cross because they thought it had mystical properties that would decide the country's fate. They added it because it's a country on the Southern Hemisphere and they used that constellation a lot for travel. For something to be astrological it needs to have some belief in the supernatural. Symbolism isn't supernatural.
>>542216493Thank you - I don't know what "Satanically" is, but sadly I know Muslims (Islam) and thus know they're the root of evil and are pathological liars, so if this LYING anon is NOT a Muslim I'm truly shocked!
Educate men without faith and you make them but clever devils.
Imagine believing in God lol.
>>542217397>Symbolism isn't supernatural.The hell it isn't.Why would it have an effect otherwise?>inb4 "but it just affects our brains!"Yeah, with a SYMBOL. And you've just decided that's not magic for some reason?>>542217473Muslims are satanic as well, but it still comes back to the same concept: Adversaries.As a religion, their focus is on spreading, dominating, and "defeating enemies".Its not that a good philosophy will never seek to defeat an enemy, but when the philosophy is DEFINED by its adversarial stance to everything else, that's Satanic.>>542217512When you speak of your fellow man with an intent to control him and limit his enrichment towards that end, YOU are the devil in that situation.>>542217560I mean, it seems silly NOW, but just imagine trying to explain "inherant metaphysical Goodness" to ancient-world bumkins who can't understand abstract concepts.Looking at in that way, its almost inevitable that they explained Good as a "king that rewards you".
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>>542204293>Have you ever noticed how every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil?Not me. Christcucks on the other hand...
>>542217663>And you've just decided that's not magic for some reason?Yes...? Symbols are just a way to communicate an idea. If I show you a white dove with an olive branch, you understand I'm referring to peace even though doves and olives have no technical relation to peace. That's just a cultural thing, I didn't cast a spell on you. What is this conversation anymore?
>>542204355wow super high IQ take there that le moral failure makes them resist religion whose pedophile leadership has conquered the entire worldChristcucks are the stupidest motherfuckers alive because their religion does not allow them to think, yet they lie to themselves and believe they can, and in fact are more critically-thinking than anyone! They are fucking lobotomized.
>>542205675From man.
>>542204480Lmao. Not a single Christgoy even attempt to address the argument Absolutely btfo
>>542204854Gay faggot jewsus disagrees with that
Whats so hip about virtue?
>>542218003>I'm referring to peace even though doves and olives have no technical relation to peace.Which makes it kinda odd in those instances where you "feel" the meaning of a symbol without the necessary cultural background...>That's just a cultural thing, I didn't cast a spell on you.You're thinking too formally. The point is that there's lots of shit we take for granted without actually understanding, like "oh yeah, this symbol just yadda yadda'd my brain, whatev~">>542218323Its just good stuff, mostly.
>>542218368Well, you're rhp. You're supposed to practice it. The rest of people don't know what it is unless they want yo manipulate others, as humans are this kind of miserable being. Not like I would, tough I know a bit the path. It's not my jam. The other side, as you may know, is not about vice and evil, but violating taboo ritually... Is it ethical?
>>542217663>Muslims are satanic as well,So "satanic" just means evil? If yes, do religious persons use words that irreligious people don't know in order to spread lies about them without them noticing it?
>>542204293Christian’s, Muslims and Jews have always historically been the most depraved people. >systematically remove entire cultures in the name of god, following and quoting scripture to do it >Doctrine of discovery paved the way for the subjugation and genocide of 100 million native Americans, the destruction and looting of African cultures, manifest destiny and the betrayal of reservation treaties. The support for Zionism. >New testament supports slavery, Ephesians 6:5; Colossians 3:22Also “the Jews are the synagogue of Satan and worship Baal, read the Talmud!” Is a retarded Judeo Christian cope.The entire aim of Kabbalistic tikkun olam (regeneration) is the same exact goal as Christians and Muslims, in the Aleinu prayer it says to “remove idols from the earth, and the false gods will be utterly cut off, to perfect the world under the sovereignty of the Almighty."What do atheists historically do? Sit on Reddit? Talk about science? Jack off? Promote abortion (eugenics)? Gay pride fests? Not even close to as depraved as Christians.
>>542218323Hips don't lie
>>542204480>I have virtue.lmao
>>542218368>Which makes it kinda odd in those instances where you "feel" the meaning of a symbol without the necessary cultural background...Not really. Symbols are made by humans, for humans. They should be intuitive whenever possible.
>>542218745>So "satanic" just means evil?No, Satanic means "adversary", and defines a uniting trait of evil.Its like that saying, "War makes bastards of us all".When you become an adversary, and start working to destroy a thing, you naturally think in a devilish way.Think of every clever war story you've ever heard and thought, "Ooooo, that was evil..."Contrary to this (and what Christians will tell you), the charge of Jesus is to simply be friends to one another.Don't be adversary (the satan thing), be fren (the Jesus thing).>>542218616>Not like I would, tough I know a bit the path. It's not my jam.Oh yes it is.One thing that Christians are quite correct about is that, "Light is the thing and darkness is just its absence".In any situation where you are being STRONG and not WEAK, you are embodying physical virtue.Any time you LOVE and don't HATE, you embody Astral or "soul" virtue.Any time you are TRUE and not FALSE, you embody Mental virtue, or "align yourself to the Holy Spirit", as a Christian could put it.>>542218915>They should be intuitive whenever possible.And again, you've just decided that that's not "magic" because its "normal".
>>542219007>And again, you've just decided that that's not "magic" because its "normal".If that's magic then it's so commonplace it might as well not be magic anymore. My washing machine has symbols on it, is Samsung secretly a witch's coven?
>>542204355Based Bishop Sheen pray for us!
>>542204576/thread
>>542219120>My washing machine has symbols on it, is Samsung secretly a witch's coven?Your washing machine functions by converting a current of tamed lightning into mechanical rotation using stones that attract one another.Yes, its magic.Magic is normal. Mundane even.The highest form of magic would be an intentional application of the butterfly effect, or what I call a "found Rube-Goldburg machine".It would be the completely mundane process by which you identify a thread of causality by which your input (a poke, a word, whatever) can expand into an effect of unlimited size. The only "magic" would be the ability to see it before you cause it.
>>542204655The difference is that, if they are sincere Christians, their sins grieve them and they repent. They do not celebrate sin
>>542204480KEK list your "virtues". I will bet a lot of money you magically have many of the same "virtues" as the religious only you have no objective reason for possessing them as the religious do. So go ahead, explain to me your morality and why you think it moral.
>>542204293no matter how chill or supportive i am of you, youll always see me as corrupted and evil, as you seeing yourself as otherwise is definitive of your beliefs. its lose-lose, so while even though i am nice to you irl and we have more common ground than difference, what is the actual point of trying to be nice about your sanctimonious bs in the first place?
>>542219354>if they are sincere Christians, their sins grieve them and they repent.You cannot repent the sin you don't acknowledge, and that is how the imperfection of Christian teaching leads Christians DIRECTLY into sin.Dogma is your enemy. It is simply a form of collective pride that stops you from improving.
>>542204735The man who invented the printing press was Catholic. Enjoy your library
>>542219429Hello Satan. Nice of you to show up with your never ending lies and bullshit. Sed libera nos a malo
>>542219444Amazing that he managed to advance humanity in spite of his Catholicism.That's the real miracle...
>>542219519Your rhetoric is pathetic. Keep exposing yourself malo
>>542204293>Have you ever noticed how every single atheist has a heart full of corruption and evil?No.
>>542219384>only you have no objective reason for possessing them as the religious do.You don't have an objective reason either. God isn't personally telling you what to do, you're reliant on your very subjective inerpretation of scripture to figure out what to do. How do you choose which Bible verses you take literally and which are 'obviously metaphor'?
Because atheism isn’t an intellectual position. Basic logical arguments refute atheism completely. It’s an ethical position. All atheists just want to be degenerates without fear of judgement. That’s why they insist on atheism. It’s a sort of cope.
>>542204293Imagine being a christcuck in 2026 lmao
>>542219498>Suggest christian teachings are imperfect>I must be literally satanHow can you justify that attitude as anything BUT pride, you fucking scum?The map is not the territory, and your church is not divinity itself.You wallow in sin with these beliefs, and they are why you accomplish nothing good in the world.You are a wretched, prideful, self-satisfied thing, and that is utterly typical of so-called "Christians".You are a disgrace to your savior.>>542219573And you have no counterargument because your beliefs are of satan.If you were blessed by the Holy Spirit, you would have the mind to explain not just yourself, but why others are wrong (as I have been).Repent your disgusting pride.
>>542219638Because christianity isn’t an intellectual position. Basic logical arguments refute christianity completely. It’s an ethical position. All christians just want to be degenerates without fear of eternal damnation. That’s why they insist on christianity. It’s a sort of cope.
>>542204480A person with virtue and no integrity will be revealed to have neither.
>>542219638>logical arguments refute atheism completelylol
As a serious response- morals exist without religion. This is obvious, because humans had to invent religion and thus placed their moral beliefs into religion. The idea that ethics/morals/whatever sprang from religion is ridiculous. You'd have to actually literally believe god sent tablets or spoke to people in their heads or whatever nonsense.
>>542219007>simply be friends to one anotherThat's just what irreligious creatures (babies, toddlers, animals and adult atheists) naturally do and are - but the LYING anon falsely proclaimed we "are all full of corruption and evil", so he MUST be an inbred islamist.
>>542204480the butthurt is real
>>542219621I'm not religious, anon, but it never fails that somehow atheists espouse the same exact virtues of christians in order to lean full throttle into secular humanism. The "virtues" extolled by God would be objective, reverse engineering those virtues through the lens of reality is one way to find what those are. I do not get my virtue from a supposed holy book. I am simply attempting to back the atheist into a corner to explain to me how he most likely arrived at leftism as his moral framework - as they almost always do. There is a reason 99% of atheists are leftwing and support things such as faggotry and transgenderism. Their moral philosophy eventually boils down to physical pleasure akin to drug addiction for the greatest number of people. Hedonism is their ultimate moral imperative. They are not virtuous at all.
>>542219759You think I’m wrong? Go ahead and explain to me how you know reason is real.
>>542219759logic does refute atheism. It does not support any particular religious philosophy but it absolutely does rebuke atheism.
>>542219720Christianity is THE MOST intellectual position. No other philosophy has gone so far as the Christian church over thousands of years to provide a logically consistent and coherent account for its claims and beliefs. Atheists will look you dead in the eyes and say they “know God isn’t real” and then fail to give any account for how knowledge is remotely possible. Buddhists will tell you that the entire world is illusory…conveniently excepting the realization that it’s illusory. That’s just a fact because it just ok? Muslims will tell you that somehow Mohammed knew what Allah wanted and then go on to detail how it’s completely impossible for any living creature at all to know anything about Allah. There is exactly one philosophy in the world that explains itself and that’s Christianity.
>>542219974> It does not support any particular religious philosophyof course it does. it supports the religious philosophy that can account for its reliability while remaining logically consistent. I honestly think anyone who isn’t at least a philosophical Christian at this point is just a moron.
>>542219887Reminder: Declaring victory on the basis of causing suffering in others is about the most satanic way you could think.It should not be surprising that what 4chan considers a victory would not be virtuous.>>542219863>That's just what irreligious creatures (babies, toddlers, animals and adult atheists) naturally do and areNOT naturally. Only our base animal nature is strictly "natural" in that way. However, you are correct that at present time, there are forms of virtue that emerge only when religion is gotten out of the way.
>>542216691It do be like that.
>>542219910I see. But if you're not religious, and you say only the religious have objective morality, how do you reconcile with that? How can you say hedonism isn't virtuous if you claim to have no objective way to support it?
>>542204293There is a creator of this whole thing- that much is readily apparent. A being that could do something as stupendous as bringing all this into existence.. is not an entity any sane person would feel comfortable thumbing their nose at. What is the nature of this being, and whether it can be truly connected to one of the ancient texts purporting to describe it, is a question people are going to have to answer for themselves. Observe the world, read the cosmogonies... and ask yourself honestly if any one of them is comprehensive in giving some explanation of this creator. This is not a complicated line of thought.
>>542220037>Christianity is THE MOST intellectual position. No other philosophy has gone so farHow fucking pathetic to take credit for every intellectual accomplishment that took place under your rule when they all took place IN SPITE OF YOU.A church is a center of worldly power.Its useful for public education, but you treating it as if it were divinity itself is just the fucking lowest and stupidest of mistakes.Your churches have been things of horror for centuries, and you're too prideful to even admit the sins.
>>542220037>then fail to give any account for how knowledge is remotely possiblepedantic pseudobabble.>There is exactly one philosophy in the world that explains itself and that’s Christianityau contraire mon frere, christianity makes the same recursive, self-substantiating claims as the other religions. assumptions go assumed, implications are implied, evidence is always sparse.you just hate the fact that youre on even philosophical ground with people you dislike.unlike you, i actually hope there's something to your beliefs, because i dont think its nice that theres no reason for life, even though im grateful to have been pulled from oblivion to experience being. you just want it to be true so you can use it as a cudgel to spread your hate in the name of love.
>>542220364Philosophy is to religion what masturbation is to coitus.
>>542220538You literally have that backwards, you stupid piece of shit.You retards sit in a room one day a week without doing ANYTHING PRACTICAL. You JUST FUCKING WANK, and call it "worship".Meanwhile, philosophy determines EVERYTHING about how EVERY PERSON interacts with the world.Once again, you have replaced God with your filthy church, and it has made you a disgusting, sinful thing.Fucking learn humility and repent your sinfulness.
>>542219642Yeah that's why we don't even need to bother with retarded threads like this christcucks are very retarded. They need an intermediary for the creation of the world and have to use insane mental gymnastics to argue that their jewish fairytales exist when in fact they go through an infinite loop were god's existence is put to question too (who created god). It's clear that there is no need for an intermediary and it's just christcuck cope to make excuses for the lack of proof of jewish fairytales. The simpler explanation doesn't require any mentak gymnastics and it's observable it's that the world exists plain and simple no intermediary no christcuck bs. Occam's razor destroyed the thomist argument and left it to "faith" afterall christcuckery is a faith they even tell that to themselves but no "christcuckery is science" anyway. So if you leave it out to faith christcucks believe clear myths and lies told by kikes. The bible is not infallible and not historically accurate. Christcucks use historical arguments to prove their bible but all falls down when you learn that there is in fact historical errors in the bible like Belshazzar as King: Daniel names Belshazzar as the king of Babylon and the son of Nebuchadnezzar. History shows Belshazzar was actually the crown prince and regent, while his father, Nabonidus, was the final king. Belshazzar was not related to Nebuchadnezzar. Babylonian King Sequence: The text implies a simple succession of only a couple of Babylonian monarchs. The Neo-Babylonian Empire actually had six distinct kings. They just believe jewish fairytales just to cope instead of actual history
>>542220691>You JUST FUCKING WANK, and call it "worship".>tfw you realize Christians are literally gooners
>>542219918Because this conversation wouldn't be possible otherwise? If you want to shake that foundation by saying reason may not exist, by all means, but then I'll reject your every argument on the basis that I can't be sure it logically follows. You won't be able to prove your point anymore.
>>542220691It is clear from your writing that you have an unhinged and unstable mind. Philosophy is glorified coffee table conversation. Philosophers postulate ideas, mull them around, compare them, discuss them, dissect them, put them back together.. but they never really believe any of them. That would sort of defeat the purpose. This way of thinking is very intellectual, it feels very sophisticated to some people, but they never just take the plunge. They never actually believe anything. In fact the idea of actually just truly believing anything is repulsive to people who think this way. It is too intuitive, too absolute. I view it like chasing a dragon. You never actually catch anything.
>>542204293>ATHEISM UPSETS ME>Here's my ten millionth thread on why it hurts my feelings that everyone won't worship a jew like I do!All you accomplish is making yourself look raped and obsessed with people who don't care about you.
>>542220817see>>542220766Sorry, I can't hear you. I'm not a medium and I seem to have killed you with that last post.You made a snide comment and I explained in detail why it is purely the reverse.There's no coming back from that. Go into the light.
>>542220274>religious have objective moralitythe religious have something akin to an objective morality due it supposedly coming from a power beyond time and space. In the absence of God, there can be no objective morality technically. So the atheist can never claim his moral framework is objective. If a tree falls in the forest..... It makes a sound if God exists, it does not if God does not exist. If God exists, we objectively exist. If God does not exist then neither do we. >how do you arrive at an objective framework without knowing GodI believe that Gods will is self explanatory and found through the reverse engineering of the reality we inhabit. Mathematics is the language which uncovers objective reality. Simply define God as the entirety of the reality we inhabit, what is that reality? We are all inbuilt with a directional moral compass - most of us, that was placed there through evolutionary biology which is intimately related to survival. Survival is the first objective moral imperative placed upon us by an outside force. Everything else, including group based dynamics, stems from this simple edict: survive.
>>542204735The christians have a superior morality model of:>Do whatever jews threaten me to do
>>542220949>If a tree falls in the forest..... It makes a sound if God exists, it does not if God does not exist. If God exists, we objectively exist. If God does not exist then neither do we.ffs anon
Atheists
>>542204355>religionhas nothing to do with virtue or faith, its just the broad road offered by satan for destruction.
>>542220832this. he's picking up where the plebbit atheists left off, but just in a reverse manner.
>>542220342I think my comment went way over your head but give one example. Just one.
>>542219918>explain to me how you know reason is real.observable application, historical continuity, and functional efficacy in problem-solving. Humans use induction, deduction, or logic to justify beliefs
>>542220364> pedantic pseudobabble.The absence of any epistemological arguments is pedantic pseudobabble (?). You people are jokes. This is why I say you’re retarded. You have a lot of claims about what’s true but literally no explanation for how you know. It’s laughable.
>>542220342Is that why five seconds after rejecting them you cut your dick off?
>>542220364> you just want it to be true so you can use it as a cudgel to spread your hate in the name of loveHow do you Redditor trannies even end up here?
>>542204293>kikeslaves projecting thread #2949471805All your "virtues" are from fear of punishment.
>>542220949>that was placed there through evolutionary biology which is intimately related to survival.Well, not quite. Evolution is about fitness, i.e. a being's ability to pass their genes into the next generation. While yes, you do need to survive to reproduce, better survivability does not necessarily lead to better fitness. If there was some gene X that cut your lifespan in half but yielded twice the number of children, gene X would be much more heavily favored by evolution due to taking up a bigger percentage of the gene pool. Survival is not a moral imperative at all, it's a means to an end. All the things that help us survive, such as group-based dynamics, are ultimately secondary to the actual goal as dictated by biology: reproduction. Yet we still care for our elders and our disabled. Why?
>>542220691> Meanwhile, (secular) philosophy determines EVERYTHING…Except which philosophy is literally true LMAO
>>542220784It’s crazy you don’t realize how contradictory what you just said is. Its real because this conversation is happening (in question btw) but at the same time reason might have reasons to doubt it. This is why I call you guys retarded. These are blatantly contradictory claims.
>>542204854I don't think about kikestianity unless christcucks forcibly insert themselves into my senses. I do sometimes ponder religion, but don't be presumptious enough to think I hold abrahamic religions in any regard.
>>542221647So to be clear, you think you can justify reasoning about sense data with sense data…?Do you realize this is precisely what’s in question? Of course you don’t…
Large swathes of the population need chemical pharmaceutical concoctions just to cope with existence. These are ostensibly to "fix" their way of thinking. How could a person who needs chemicals to rewire the brain, who cannot even "raw dog" life, have anything constructive whatsoever to tell any other person about existence, or purpose, or life? I mean I could tolerate someone who uses nicotine as a crutch, maybe even alcohol to a degree... but lots of the population literally depend on factories and scientists making highly complicated chemical mixtures no almost one even understands, which might result in literal psychosis if stopped immediately, which are shipped from who knows where to a local dispensary where they pick them up every month and need them just to "think right." Think about it.
>>542219974>logic does refute atheismHow exactly?
>>542221862That sure sounds interesting, anon, but seeing as you introduced the idea that I should doubt reason, I reject everything you just said. Can't be sure it makes any sense, after all.
>>542204480>literally proves OP's point
>>542204293And I suppose your bitch ass thinks you're a saint? What a fucking idiot. Your god is a political construct. https://youtu.be/mdKst8zeh-U?is=9SiD14B09oXWqWK7https://youtu.be/lGCqv37O2Dg?is=03FUR8Vkc7g08LM4https://youtu.be/82vxOBbYSzk?is=qhNDoGD0XB1D1HVg
>>542221921>Do you realize this is precisely what’s in question? Of course you don’t…Sure I do. You aren't telling what's wrong with my position either
>>542221921>So to be clear, you think you can justify reasoning about sense data with sense data…?You're no different when you invoke your favorite flavor of god as an extra step in your senses
>>542204293Becauae atheist dont virtue-signal, they just be good people.
>>542204293When you stop being guided by God, the only thing left to guide you is your own human conscience which is easily fooled. So long as you have a convincing rationalisation, you can permit anything, and your morality starts to become unstable and shifting. How can you condemn anything I do today, when tomorrow I may provide a compelling justification? All men are somewhat wicked, and when left to their own guidance will inevitably start to alter their morality to allow what's easy and gives them comfort and pleasure over what's difficult and righteous. This is what happens to all atheists, no matter how pure they start out. Before you know it, you're arguing to kill babies in the womb simply because they're in the way of your comfort.I'm not even a christian or abrahamic, but the existence of a God is a necessity to maintain a stable moral system. There's a limit to human discipline.
>>542222083Think about what you said? Sense data without reason is just meaningless data, correct? You need reason to say anything truthful about it. The question is how you know reason that you use to make sense of sense data is reliable. You answered sense data. That’s circular reasoning. You’re using sense data to justify reasoning which you’re using to justify sense data. This is a simple logical fallacy. It doesn’t make sense.
>>542204293atheism is ultimately just a lazy cope and rationalization to give the individual a reason not to be humble, not to learn about themselves, and not better themselves.
>>542221968You introduced it actually. >>542222141Not remotely true. Christian dogma teaches reason is a natural human faculty and logic is a transcendent uncreated essence or energy of God. We don’t accept them because we just asset it. We accept it because it’s been revealed how and why we can.
>>542221696>muh epistemologyand then when i look at what youre saying, your "epistemology" boils down to the bible existing. you have intentionally framed your logic in such a vague manner, that any answer to the contrary of, "well its in the bible that god made, he made everything after all, so, without god you cant have knowledge. how do i know? it says so in the bible."knowledge and logic are, at least in my opinion, strictly derivative of reality itself, and there is nothing that would have prevented it from ending up differently, except for the universe evolving in a different manner. we have no choice but to exist in the reality we do, rendering meaningless any exploration of the validity of a logical system we never have, and never will interact with. >but *why* is it this way, how can we be sure its this way?it is this way, you dont have a choice, bitch nigger. youre in the universe, take it or leave it.>>542221744i must have struck a nerve if youre resorting to "muh plebbit" as an argument. all youre doing is griping and crying that people dont worship your sky kike, while calling them corrupted/tranny/etc.
>>542222184>Sense data without reasonWho said I didn't have reason? Thats just your baseless assumption....justify that position.
>>542222264>Not remotely true100% is. God is just another "sense" you invoke from personal feelings, bias and anecdotes
>>542222264>You introduced it actually.Did I? What led you to that conclusion? Oh, but don't use any reasoning, as established I'm currently doubting that.
>>542221951I disagree with him, honestly I don't even know what "logic" is itself a very vague and ultimately meaningless term. Or at least it isn't a particularly meaningful word. Anyways, a person with any intact intuition, who had ever spent any meaningful time living amongst the natural creation (aka a person who had their higher intuitions intact) could readily perceive that this world is fact a "creation." Obviously so. But that is not "logic" I don't think. The closest thing I can think of to a logical suggestion of a creator though is the old classic: >if the universe exists it either 1. Came to be from nothingness or 2. Is constant and eternal. Both violate strict causation. Indeed this is a confounding idea and there is no reasonabke answer to it provided by any of the philosophers. It should keep everyone awake at night and it would be reasonable to say it suggests a creator, but this is FAR from a logical "proof" of a creator.
>>542222184>Sense data without reason is just meaningless data, correct?not necessarily, you have unilaterally assessed the "data's" meaninglessness here.your filling your own argument with asinine, and at times aphoristic fluff that you like to hear.
>>542222432100% that's exactly what he's doing.
>>542222432Observed data goes into the mind and the mind comes up with stuff based on it. The mind is like a black box, a crystal ball, we don't really understand it. If you try to dissect the mind you will only kneecap your ability for any intuitive or original thought. If you OD on other people's pre-processed thoughts (philosophy) you will only kneecap your ability to exercise any natural intuition or genuine original thought.
My favorite of the bunch>IF IT WASN'T FOR HELL I WOULD BE BURNING TOWNS LEFT AND RIGHT!!!!
>>542210226not sure what you're trying to prove with this image - it just shows religion holds people to a standard and would grill anyone that fails to uphold it, you think that's bad?atheists are proud of their degeneracy, so why would they lie?
>>542222305lol you’re not understanding. It’s not a question about “A reason”. It’s a question about the capacity to reason at all, reason itself if you like. >>542222362Blatant strawman. >>542222432So you think data necessarily provides you with truthful knowledge independent of your reasoning about it? If so, you’ll have to explain to me how you know that WITHOUT USING REASONING.
>>542223193This is such a funny way to make honesty seem like the bad thing. Is lying to your friends and family every day for the rest of your life truly the Christian ideal?
>>542221060If a tree falls in the forest and no ones around to hear it, does it make a sound? Semantics says no, because sound is defined as noise exacted in the ear, which requires an observer. Does the tree make a noise when it falls, definitionally you'd expect it to. But nothing was around to hear it, or capture it. Did it make a noise? The answer is: if God exists, yes, if God doesn't exist, no. If humanity went extinct and nothing existed that observed us having existed in the first place, we would have never existed. If that observers perception of us having existed is finite, we again do not exist. For our objective existence, there must be an infinite perception of us having existed, a memory of us. That infinite perception is God.
>>542221951>>542222398Because atheism can’t account for the reliability of logic itself. If someone asks the atheist the question “How do you know logical principles are possible? What if logic isn’t actually reliable and you’re just pretending it is?” They can’t answer. The atheist just takes logic and reason and swaps them the Christian God complete with his entire theology. They just assert, without evidence, justification, account, or basis that logic and reason really exist and can be reliable as if it were blind faith. Then atheists turn around and usually say only that which is strictly material exists. And yet, these things they assert are strictly immaterial. It’s a blatantly contradictory position that refutes itself.
>>542221767Reproduction is survival. Fitness is survival. Everything hinges on survival and what you or your group is willing and capable of doing to survive. In a period of dysgenics, as we have now, you see survival and fitness detached from one another. This will lead to the ruination of the species because survival must be inextricably linked to fitness. The ruination of the species betrays the simple edict of survival because dysgenics will eventually outstrip the environment which allowed it to proliferate in the first place. Survival and fitness cannot be meaningfully separated without destroying both.
>>542223319Anon, you can't undercut reasoning using reasoning. It's a self-defeating argument. You want people to think like you do, so how do you intend to do that once you've succeeded in establishing the atheist has no way to be sure what you're saying is even true?
>>542223339no indication it's lifelong, that's hyperbolethey'd also likely talk about it in confessionaland shame culture keeps a lid on degeneracy, you know in your heart it's wrong and others would be disappointed, so you avoid itthere's no lying to God, he'll know in your heart if you repent
>>542223677If you have a different basis for reasoning you absolutely can. My account for reasoning isn’t contradictory. Yours is. Ergo, I can deploy reasoning to demonstrate that your position is wrong and mine is not wrong on that basis. I’m not refuting reasoning itself, you see. I’m refuting your basis for reasoning itself.
>>542223319You don't know what a strawman is. Nor can you defend your position against me nor prove that "God" isn't just another sense you invoke
>>542223732And how do I accept a different basis for reasoning? With my current basis for reasoning, which you've just established to not be dependable?
>>542223732>My account for reasoning isn’t contradictorySure it is. God doesn't provide you with truth. If that were true then you wouldn't have faith. Another sense you use towards your personal preference of God
>>542223782Literally none of those descriptions of the Christian account are true, which means the accusation amounts to a strawman of the position. >>542223815You accept Christianity which posits reason as a natural human faculty modeled on the divine mind and logic as a transcendent essence of God rather than some axiomatic baseless assertion as they are in atheism. >>542223847So in the Christian view, revealed knowledge from God Himself is somehow not God providing truth? You may deny that this really happened but in my philosophy this is objectively what it is. So to say my God doesn’t provide me with truth is a claim you’d have to justify, which you can’t.
>>542223847> If that were true then you wouldn't have faith.If you think your position is independent of faith by the way you’ll have to explain in what basis you accept the reliability of logic and reason. Spoiler: it’s faith.
>>542223711There's enough examples of gay men closeting so hard they get a wife and children, so it's not hyperbole. The kids that answer 'yes' to these sorts of polls are the same kids who pray every night for God to make them straight and then wondering what they did wrong to be forsaken by God so. This is what your shame culture brings. You contain the problem, sure, but you're still forcing deception as part of everyday life.
>>542223319>So you think data necessarily provides you with truthful knowledge independent of your reasoning about it? If so, you’ll have to explain to me how you know that WITHOUT USING REASONING.there is too much stupidity to unpack here. your senses arent enough to fully understand the universe. you see/hear/smell/feel/taste in short segments of the total available stimuli, which is why we have invented tools to assist us in what we cannot do naturally.also, stop saying "data" like it means anything. youre a pseud trying to sound smart, but you just sound like a knuckle dragger.>truthful knowledgethis is just completely moronic babble>reason it out without using reasoningthis one is physically painful. do you want deduction or inference? (spoiler alert: you actually want me to outsource my thinking and force it through the lens of the sky kike, which i simply wont do for you)
>>542224058>You accept Christianity which posits reason as a natural human faculty modeled on the divine mind and logic as a transcendent essence of God rather than some axiomatic baseless assertion as they are in atheism.And why would I do that? You have established I have no basis for reasoning currently. How would I conclude that Christianity is the solution to my problem?
>>542224206> your senses arent enough to fully understand the universehow do you know this claim is true? You’ve still failed to give ANY account for the possibility of knowledge. You just keep asserting what is true without basis. You say my stupidity is too much to unpack but you don’t even seem to understand what is being questioned.
>>542224222checked and kek'd. that anon is too lost in his sauce, and he still hasnt touched this question out of stubbornness. .
>>542224058>Literally none of those descriptions of the Christian account are trueExcept they are. >revealed knowledge from God HimselfYou mean mean claiming the knowledge is from God. Why should I or anyone believe that?>but in my philosophyYes, your personal feelings and opinions
>>542224116>If you think your position is independent of faithSure is. I have reasonable expectations
>>542224222Because if what I’m saying is true you are left with 2 options:1. Abject skepticism, wherein any claim at all in any way involving any topic is unjustifiable and your worldview becomes a schizophrenic mess where you refrain from judgement on anything ever which no person can actually consistently sustain since you will as a matter fact continue to live and think as if some things are literally true 2. Accept the account that makes all of this sensible, which is Christianity. Every other position is rendered objectively false.
>>542224363Okay if it’s independent of faith than prove the reliability of logic to me. Go ahead. How do you know you can rely on logical principles?
>>542224293>how do you know this claim is true?you can use physical tools to derive support for this truth. without those tools, youd never know one way or the other.youre clawing at the walls trying to unstick yourself from the logical quagmire youve stranded yourself in, and it isnt working.
>>542221634Okay, here's ONE.Realize: The crime relating to Galileo was not acts of persecution against one man, although those were serious sins.Your church's true crime was intentional concealment of higher Truth. They were having the shape of creation revealed to them through the eyes of reason, and they turned their backs on Truth and therefore anything that could be called "God".And that's just one.>>542221699Your fantasies are sick.>>542221779>thinking of philosophy as an "us vs them" like his stinking satanic religionFuck you.You are a lump of lead, and you will remain in hell until you learn.
>>542224303I'll gladly concede that I have no basis for reasoning IF you can explain how to switch to Christianity without one. As it stands, you're just asking me to do the impossible.
>>542224465i was laughing about the other guy, but yes, i agree.
>>542204480Athiests claim God doesn't exist but comments like these prove its more Jewish in that they hate God and the demons inside manifest at the name.I don't seethe this much about Santa Claus.
>>542224387>Every other position is rendered objectively false.But I can't agree with this conclusion if I have no basis of reasoning, which you just said I don't. See how futile it is to go after this line?
>>542224338Because if you don’t believe it you are emptied out into a cloud of ignorance and contradictions. You either just replace God with logic and reason ironically for no reason at all even though it’s logically contradictory or you just ape my Christian position. There is no other alternative. You can deny that God really does provide knowledge but you understand in my view that’s He really does. So it’s not enough to assert it’s not true. My position is coherent, whether you accept it or not. That means you either demonstrate it’s wrong or your claim is at best an uncertainty based on nothing. You can’t accept a worldview that renders knowledge itself impossible and then just assert “x is true just because”.
>>542224521Last I checked, Santa Clause doesn't declare himself the sole arbiter of good vs bad, and then have the audacity to be wrong besides.That's just Christian churches.
>>542224595youre so retarded i want to see you livestream yourself attending a university level philosophy class while wearing a go pro on your head.
>>542224586You’re not understanding the argument. You have no basis for reasoning in a worldview where reasoning is just posited axiomatically without basis or justification, which is your current worldview. To do so would be contradictory or baseless. In my worldview there is basis or justification, so in my worldview, the Christian view, you can accept it and that’s not a contradiction.
>>542224521Santa Clause is actually real, but instead of delivering presents to your children he saves people stranded at sea.
>>542224684Run out of arguments I see.
>>542224703>You’re not understanding the argument.Yes, exactly. That's the point. I have no basis for reason, right? So I literally cannot understand the argument.
>>542204480> I am an atheist. I have virtue. Yeah, made up subjective virtue like raping the earth, fucking men in the ass, so on and so forth.
