Capitalism is a failure.
>>542219055*Whites are so good that it has existed for only 0.00000011% of the Earth's existence, yet in that time it has pushed the planet toward a mass extinction event.
>>542219055get a job
>>542219055Leadership requires trust, which is something you have to earn, niggers.
>>542219226Watch thisThat thing you wanted to hearNow am your leader
>>542219055You might say that Evolution is biological Capitalism.
>>542219055Even HP Lovecraft was a socialist. He saw capitalism and communism as the extremes and socialism as a compromise.
>>542219352Socialism only works within Capitalism. It is not an alternative to Capitalism.
>>542219055So the solution to Jewish capitalism is Jewish Marxism?
>>542219156No, that's jews
>>542219593The solution to jews is no jews.
>>542219055The entire planet isn't capitalist... billions of people are being produced by weird communist/socialist shit holes and devouring the entire planet too... It's humanities fault really. For not having the moral resolve to kill off this many people and save the rest of the species.
>>542219497I think Socialism would make Capitalism better in the case of healthcare. However in order for that to work we can't just let all the white trash and niggers reproduce out of control. Socialized medicine would only work if the poor had to have mandatory abortions.How Socialism helps Capitalism is that if everyone has government healthcare they are dependent on a job for health insurance anymore. This means people will be able to do things like start their own business or join someone else's startup easier. This leads to more innovation that makes life better for everyone.However if we don't have mandatory abortion we will have the useless eaters reproduce until there are no longer enough productive people to keep the system going.Also in a purely capitalistic health system they would be able to deny service at the emergency room. What we have now is a system that is the worst of both worlds and doomed to failure.
>>542219055So. I'm trying to understand the appeal. Appeal to history? Because mankind largely practiced things like monarchy for a longer period of time. It is therefore better?
>>542219055w/o capitalism your mom couldnt earn a living sucking nigger dicks, she'd have to suck them for free 16 hours a day for a meager monthly tampon ration thats on back order due to shortages cause by some faggot 8 states over still owning hiding hoarding a collection of 90's grunge cds.
>>542219055They keep pushing this bullshit about a mass extinction event, yet if you look at the WWF pages, there are a bit over 100 species on the list and only 17 in the critically endangered category. https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/
>>542219352Socialism is the "workers" owning the means of production. This is defacto no more private ownership and the state implements central planners to determine how to allocate resources instead of individuals voluntarily allocating resources between each other.Communism is a stateless and moneyless society anon.
>>542219055>Source: My ass
>>542220730workers ARE the means of production...but when they say workers they mean the state, by which they mean a small unknown unelected oligarchy of bitches from the view.
agreed. keep telling it, we need everyone to hear this message
>>542220730>This is defacto no more private ownershipNot really. There are many, many models of socialized ownership and the state's relationship to it. On the shallow end is just stuff like unions. Going deeper, we can explore mandatory co-ops, where workers are mandated ownership of their place of work such that a majority of workers can override stakeholders. The deep end is formal state ownership and a full command economy, but this is probably a little too authoritarian for America. The first two are very much compatible, though. There are more ways in which you can choose the correct marriage of markets to collective ownership. It's not an all or nothing thing.
>>542220779>workers ARE the means of productionActually a good way to look at it. You own your productive capacity to wherever you seek to implement it. In socialist economies. The planners do this for you.
>>542220892All socialist economies are command economies.
>>542220892Here's a fun one for you. Within a socialist economy. How does the decision to either say raise more heads of cattle for beef vs raise for farmland for beans be determined?
>>542219055retards living in the most centrally planned and globalized economy of all-time and they got you like>"MY PROFESSOR SAID CAPITALISM IS HECKIN EVIL AND THAT MORE CENTRALIZED POWER IS NEEDED TO FIX EVERYTHING"hahahahahaha
>>542220956Okay, so if the government doesn't hold any stake in companies and doesn't tell them what to do but only steps in to ensure e.g. that firms are giving the correct decisionmaking powers to their workers is a command economy? That doesn't make much sense to me.
>>542219055for u
>>542221073By individual firms producing and selling goods to consumers who purchase them, pricing them according to demand. It's just that the firms are owned and operared by the workers who do the production and the profits are shared among them. You can have markets and socialism.
>>542219156the talmud is so good that it has existed for only 0.000001% of the Earth's existence, yet in that time it has pushed the planet toward a mass extinction event.
We're just apes who recently discovered language. Everything is a competency hustle. You make a name for yourself, then you can start asspulling and morons eat it up. Political ideologies are mostly about how we do things, instead of what we're doing. Communists live in communes, libertarians live in enclaves. Who cares. Deep down we have those basic wants and needs that should be met.
>>542220779In this day and age it takes a laptop to own the means of production.
>>542221113Why do antitrust laws exist under capitalism?
>>542221173Explain the difference between capitalism, socialism, and communism.
>>542221173>It's just that the firms are owned and operared by the workers who do the production and the profits are shared among them. I forgot. You also already can do this and this already happens.
Capitalism is a Doomsday cult
>>542219055Feudalism is the natural state of man
I think anyone who thinks capitalism is a thing or that we have it is an imbecile. If pressed they couldn’t give an account for precisely what capitalism is but even if they give a sort of vague general category description it’s refuted by pointing out that we have a monetary system that uses taxes to sustain operations to inflate asset prices and undermine the real value of capital. Who would’ve guess capitalism is devaluing capital?
>>542219055MOMMY I DON'T WANT TO WORK FOR A LIVING THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD SAVE ME
>>542222035"We are inevitably marching towards the apocalypse but it's necessary in order to bring about eternal peace and prosperity and the ascension of mankind to escape this planet and become starfarers with Godlike technology."
>>542222105>it’s refuted by pointing out that we have a monetary system that uses taxes to sustain operations to inflate asset prices and undermine the real value of capital. Who would’ve guess capitalism is devaluing capitalIs the monetary system we operate under capitalism? Is it the tax system we operate under capitalism? I'm struggling to see the argument.
>>542219055>1pbtid
>>542222225>We are inevitably marching towards the apocalypse Inevtiable means it will happen. What exactly is it you think is going to happen anon?
>>542219055Capitalism, communism, socialism (all flavors), and every other '-ism' are derivatives of judaism.The reason they exist is to inflict central banking on a target population.That is why God hates usury.It is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction from which all others are spawned.>[1Ti 6:10 KJV] 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
>>542222324The Apocalypse.Can't you read English?
>>542219055Who created capitalism?
>>542219055If only we owned the means of producing nuclear weapons, that way everything would be okay.
>>542222436Isn't that what christians want? The second coming so they can finally enter heaven through christ?
>>542222553MAD doctrine but everyone has a personal nuclear device ready to go at a personal given notice.
>>542221092globalism IS capitalism
>communists talk straight out their assholes yet again because they cannot make a good argument, with evidence, in favor of communismCapitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other single system in human history and no amount of spiteful communist lies can unmake that reality.
>>542222324That's what the Doomsday cult believes. That's why it's in quotes, someone else is saying it (fictitiously). They believe the apocalypse is inevitable, and that's why they cannot see any alternative but to keep doing what we are doing. The constant and growing threats of nuclear war, ethnic violence, and climate destruction (and subsequent mass human starvation and mass flora/fauna extinction) are all part of "the plan." God's plan, if you ask the millennialist Evangelicals in our government, and the Third Temple Zionist cultists that control them. Do you think they are joking about all of that stuff? Do you think they are purely cynical? When they think about dropping a nuke on a large city or hundreds of millions of people starving to death, they attribute it to God's plan. It's all inevitable and necessary for what comes next. Elon Musk isn't any different. He's genuinely planning on moving to Mars when it all goes to shit. And it has to go to shit in order for us to achieve the technological progress and onus to fulfill his plan. If everything was good already, why would we want to move to Mars? This planet has to be strip mined to propel us forward to the stars.
>>542219055>same time period as humanswhat a coincidence!retarded faggot, again capitalism is the natural economic system that marx was too low IQ to understand and kikes exploit and corrupt for thousands of years, of course to different degrees, but you are retarded and will never understand.
>>542220710Commies prey on the ignorant.
>mass extinction bad>on no not the dead humanerinos
>>542219055We don't even have capitalism right now. The modern world is running on 100% pure Judaism.
>>542219055>retard thinks global warming is realLmao, lol
>>542219055>when faggot commies call real economics that actually possesses equations about supply and demand "capitalism"
>>542222910You can't simply recover from a mass extinction event. It's not like there's a chance to "try again." Imagine trying to retread the last 2 or 3 centuries but with less resources. Every satellite shot into orbit mean resources leaving the Earth forever. Every gallon of fuel burned cannot be replaced. We are climbing a ladder and destroying the rungs as we ascend. If we fall off, we can't climb it again.
>>542222773No, its communism. Jewish controlled communism.
>>542222910Libtoids think mass extinction is good, but only for White people.
>>542219055Capitalism is gay but you could say the same thing for oxygen
>>542223147Capitalism encourages globalism because private entities hold no loyalty to their nation, they will simply outsource and exploit wherever they can leading to increasing globalization. Next you'll tell me the outsourcing of American labor to China was communism. You must be a retarded boomer.
>>542223235>Next you'll tell me the outsourcing of American labor to China was communism.The entire point of that was to destroy our sovereignty so the country would have to be part of a globalist jewish communist order.
>>542219055See here the Aral Sea after communism>>542219156Oh fuck off, the avg shitskin pollutes more than an entire white village
>>542222869>He's genuinely planning on moving to Mars when it all goes to shit. And it has to go to shit in order for us to achieve the technological progress and onus to fulfill his plan. If everything was good already, why would we want to move to Mars? This planet has to be strip mined to propel us forward to the stars.Mars is ~1/3rd our current gravity on earth. All humans who move to mars who live "long" on mars will die premature deaths. Our next closest "earthlike planet" (we don't know exactly if humans can even live on it) is something like 4.6 lightyears away. This means even if we could somehow propel things to the speed of light it is a 9.2 year roundtrip for information. We can't move at lightspeed so that means humans building "generational ships" that will take hundreds of years to even get to that potentially "earthlike" planet. Which humans would have to implement a strategy of essentially forcing generations and generations of humans to live and die on a floating tin can. The logistics of this would lead to insanity/mutiny and then extinction aboard the "generational ships."
>>542219055Communism is so good they've tried it multiple times before and it never worked...
>>542223135So you are a doomsayer prophet then? What is the exact extinction event that is going to take place?
>>542219055I'm not even going to engage whatever bullshit point you were trying to maketotal commie deathno exceptions
>>542219055I mean, to be fair, before capitalism we were using gibs me dat.Why are communiggers so fuck retarded?
>>542223235Capitalism necessitates globalism. Profits must endlessly increase. Enough is never enough. Money begets more money, by any means necessary. Even if humanity and the Earth are irreparably harmed. Progress and human happiness are non-factors in a capitalist system. When it occurs, it is purely coincidental and unintentional, and when necessary (like we are currently experiencing), capitalism will actively undermine and destroy progress and human happiness if that is the most expedient means to more profit.
>>542223513Na, you are just mindlessly repeating what you were told to say about it.
>>542223513YOU WILL NEVER WIN! You will always have to work for a living and no system will change that.
>>542219055you have socialism now tho and had it for decadesyou have food stamps single mother welfare bailouts obamacare and loads of other socialist shityou cant even boycot israel legally also its feminism that caused mass extinction event
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>>542219055Communism existed for like 4 decades and killed more people in that time than capitalism ever has.
>>542223550>>542223587>the faithful becomes increasingly irate when confronted with reality
>>542223391KCD1 is based because you get to see all the whites being drunken gambling degenerates yet still somehow take care of the environments around them. Meanwhile you have modern countries like India where the people just dump their trash wherever they go since the next low born will pick it up because the person littering thinks there is a next low born who exists to do so. Repeat repeat repeat.
>>542223674Typical leftist projection.
>>542219352>Even Hitler was a socialist. He saw capitalism and communism as the extremes and socialism as a compromise
>>542220779>state, by which they mean a small unknown unelected oligarchySo the EU
>>542219055>we're all going to die if too much water goes in to the black hole under your shower drain!Manbearpig
>>542223513>Capitalism necessitates globalism. Profits must endlessly increase.Why do market crashes happen? Why do some companies blow up and fade and new ones come into existence?
>>542223550It's funny that you frame your wishcasting and hypothetical textbook economic theories as reality, and call my observations of lived reality purely fictitious.>>542223474What is your counter-argument to my "doomsaying"? One day we will all collectively "wake up" and fix everything? Or is your position that nothing is actually wrong at all, I am delusional, everything is working as intended, and our collective comfort and security is increasing?I brought up the Doomsday cults because their position is, "YES, everything is getting worse, BUT that's supposed to happen, it has to happen to usher in 1000 years of peace / flying around the galaxy in a space ship / Christ coming back."
>>542223828Don't expect reason from them.
>>542223513>Money begets more moneyThe reason why central banks mandate a 2% inflation rate is because if you go negative into deflation means people stop spending money in aggregate and thus the economy stops churning. I'm someone that believes deflation needs to happen after certain periods. But the base concept is correct.
Rookie numbers. That asteroid though.
>>542223407In The Expanse the Martian marines would train under 1G, were taller than your average Earth dweller, but were pathetically weak in comparison and were unable to withstand walking on Earth for than a couple hours, whether because of the crippling gravity or because they had anxiety when in large open spaces to the point of people vomiting and having panic attacks from malfunctioning doors opening on their own (a death sentence on Mars). It was so unbearable that the practice of keeping an off-worlder in Earth’s gravity without assistance was banned as an interrogation technique.One Martian marine landed on Earth and saw more people gathered in one spot than she’s ever seen in her entire life, all casually walking around in 1G, and there were 11 billion more of them on the planet. Mars was decades ahead of Earth technologically but barely stood a chance if a conflict ever hit the ground.
>>542219055Yes, we saw the other thread, genius. Now go crawl back into your hole and come back when you have an original thought. I'll mark my calendar for 2047.
>>542223375Your brain is fried by this place. You can't look or react at things logically, the only thing your monkey brain can do is murmur out 'm..muh communism' and 't..the jews'>>542223513Exactly
>>542224208No no faggot, you don't get to pretend the globalization effort has not been an actual plot the entire time simply because you just got here. We are marching towards the very system you want I have no fucking idea why you want to pretend, you head should be put into vice grips.
>>542224208No not exactly you mindless fucking subhuman, what you are exactly to is not what reality actually is its just shit you repeat to each other, I wish I could make you choke to death on your teeth.
>>542223874>What is your counter-argument to my "doomsaying"? One day we will all collectively "wake up" and fix everything? Or is your position that nothing is actually wrong at all, I am delusional, everything is working as intended, and our collective comfort and security is increasing?I can doomsay too. Actually probably much better than you. Eventually our star will convert all of its easy fusable material. It unfortunately dies in iron. But through this process will cause it to continuously expand. Our sun's red giant phase will unfortunately expand to the point of consuming all the interior planets, ours included. The entirety of the rock in which we currently stand on, breathe on, most importantly live on will be consumer by plasma, turned to ash and the embers thrown about through the cosmos, most feeding back into our very own star. Do you have a plan for this apocalypse?
>>542223513>Progress and human happiness are non-factors in a capitalist systemThey are literally the driving force of the economy, you fucktard.
>>542224398>>542224352So are you going to explain to me right here and now how capitalism isn't a globalist system or are you just gonna spout out violent low IQ fantasies?
>>542224402Of course not they are just basic animal materialists that want free shit now, they don't even care about the future or any future.
>>542219055Feminism is a failure.
>>542224352Answer these questions:Is profit maximization a fundamental concept of capitalism?Have profits increased or decreased as a result of globalization?
>>542224471I don't want to explain anything to you, I want you to fuck die, all of you mindless group think drones and your eternal never ending bullshit just fuck off! You are going work for a living NO MATTER WHAT YOU FUCKING SCUMBAG TRASH
>>542224063You are wrong and turning to scifi. We as humans have evolved to our current bodies over millions of years. If you start putting humans into such an EXTREMELY physioligically demanding setting over such a short period their bodies WILL NOT ADAPT
>>542224541Those are not relevant questions you fucking scumbag.
>>542224611concession accepted
>>542224541>more people getting the goods and services they can afford is a bad thing
>>542224541Can you define what profit is?
>>542219055Better not look into how much pollution China creates…>inb4 tHAts Not REal CoMmUNiSm!!!!
>>542224716There is nothing to have a concession over. The government should not manage the means of production and that is all there is to it.
>>542220408>until there are no longer enough productive people to keep the system going.What are you talking about?During the plandemic and the self induced lockdowns it has become apparent that at least 60% of all human input into the system appears to be entirely superfluous.Remember how two thirds of the western world sat idle and did nothing and absolutely fuck all happened?I remember.That was half a decade ago. Before le AI.Now with the maturing of AI, automation and robotization the system most likely gets less and less dependent on human input by the day.The only thing that matters is global one child policy for the third world and migrants into the western world.Native western people should have a encouraged but strictly enforced two child policy.No exceptions.
>>542224976>Remember how two thirds of the western world sat idle and did nothing and absolutely fuck all happened?I rememberActually a pretty insane amount of inflation happened for the US and thus the world.
>>542224624That’s the point of the post. People had been living on Mars for their entire lives for generations but still had to deal with that. Your average Martian couldn’t last more than a day on Earth without help. Just being on Earth was fatal to people who were accustomed to places where there aren’t even planets. They were dependent on drugs and sci-fi handwavium to keep their bones from disintegrating from just walking.Earth dwellers when going to environments other than Earth? Not so much, humanity was far better at replicating the conditions on Earth and sending it into space and had been living under 1G and an atmosphere for millennia.
>>542225159They did print trillions upon trillions out of thin air rather than coming up with a good idea of basic supplementary sustenance for all.Most of those trillions went into grift and abuse as well.Remember all those business loans that had no oversight?Yeah.Mistakes were made.Doesn't change the fact that human hands can remain idle and fuck all happening to the basic functions of the system.But you knew that.
>>542224402>5 billion years away versus 5 years away
>>542225195Okay I see what you're saying. I am saying something different in a way. Since the humans in your sci fi would never exist in the first place because they would just all die prior to being able to continuously reproduce long term on Mars. So Mars would become a planet you'd always have to send new humans to live on from earth. Knowing they're gunna die
>>542225369So what exactly is this apocalypse that is 5 years away?
Capitalism has been a complete failure for the human race. Never before has such a debt been amassed in all of human history. These "capitalists" haven't paid for the vietnam war yet, nevertheless any of the modern day conflicts. These "capitalists" have passed this debt onto the next generations without reason or remorse. They have given control of the system to a bunch of literal sand niggers. These "capitalists" need to be hung in the streets. They haven't capitalized anything. They haven't even paid their bill yet. Thieves would be a better term.Socialism and capitalism while different in their approach end with the same result. All the wealth concentrated into the hands of the few.
>>542219352Anon. Youre not wrong... but HP was a particular kind of socialist. As in As One We Are Weak But Together We Are Strong. You know, like sticks in a fasces.
>>542225369You wanna play oracle eh?
>>542225455>Never before has such a debt been amassed in all of human history. What is debt? What is money?
>>542219055The only mass extinction events that ever happened on this planet were caused by "Mother Nature".It's only culture, human culture, that protects us against the heartless chaos of the world.And capitalism has been by far the most successful piece of culture in this regard.
>>542225455Debt is a vital aspect and function of our current system.You can't have one without the other.Stop vilifying it and come up with something else entirely.
>>542219055mmmm i love coleslaw
>>542219055And you are a shill since you completely fail to call out what it always is>corrupt leadershits corrupt everythingAlways some piss poor weak greedy person in power ruining everything.
>>542219055evolution is an emergent property of life on earthhumans a product of evolutioncreation, ownership, and collaboration are emergent properties of the human conditioncapitalism is a synthesis of all of itthe struggle is finding the equilibrium between it and other emergent human systems
>>542224976When I say productive people I mean people who have jobs and/or pay taxes. What you describe further supports my point that there are a lot of useless people out there who are going to need to be culled.The future will be for those who own shares of the companies and those whose labor is valuable enough that it still exists in that future.There should be no "two child policy". People should have the amount of kids they can afford. Poor people who can't find work anymore and don't own anything won't be allowed to have children but people who are rich will be able to have as many as they can afford. This way we will be able to afford social safety net programs because a safety net is intended to catch someone who is falling. The current state of the safety net is more like a hammock with all the white trash and niggers being born at the bottom already.
