I need some movies about civilizational collapse. It can be science fiction like Children of Men, Mad Max, Threads, or the Road, or more historical versions like Apocalypto.
yeah also saw that there are more elderly people than children in the US, thats never happened beforethe end is nigh
>>542248626In America. Plus they were never part of gen z since they weren't born. No member of gen z was aborted.
>>542248628Libtards unironically think human beings are just spawned ex nihilo at birth like it’s an FPS game
>>542248629You might not like it but we have to draw a line somewhere.
>>542248626>30% of Gen Z Was Aborted
>>542248630So when then? 3 months? Birth?
>>542248628But they would have been born had they not been aborted.
I'm okay with abortion as long as it's browns
>>542248630Yeah, and that’s at conception. Anything else is arbitrary motivated reasoning
>>542248630There have been 63,459,781 abortions since "Safe, Legal and Rare" Roe v Wade. The cumulative death toll of every major American war from the Revolutionary, both sides of the Civil War, all the way to current date is approximately 1 million.Boomers and Gen X have killed through abortion more people than have died in all conflict 64 times over.
>>542248637why does that guy look like sam hyde
>>542248626What was Goya thinking?
>>542248626hah, based
Something just hits different about "an entire third of the current generation is missing" than raw numbers of tens of millions of abortions. 30% of an entire generation is just gone. I can't wrap my head around it.
Weird that people are so shocked by that figure.What did they think was going to happen after abortion was legalized and destigmatized, that women would exercise restraint? If anything it's a pretty small number.
>>542248632At birth I guess. I didn't make the line.>>542248633But they were aborted so they weren't gen z >>542248635If you want to go by religion, go ahead. Birth is when they become a separate individual. Conception is when an egg is fertilized
>>542248643>it's religion and not science that says unique life begins at conceptionI can see we've got the deep thinkers on the left in the thread now.
>>542248642I mean the idea of "post birth abortions" used to be a crazy hypothetical straw man yet here we are
>>542248636They're not really considered people.
>>542248644It is religion that says life begins at conception.
>>542248626Please. Literally any source for this I have a feeling that googling it is going to give me non-answers and AI slop. Saturn devouring his own screenshot.
>>542248626That number is much higher but the CDC is probably adding immigrant numbers to the total. I would say the real number is more akin to the black abortion rate. Maybe a Margaret Sanger movie? Choice of the Heart, 1995, is pretty good.
>>542248645Child murder is a real and terrible thing that isn't related to abortions.
>>542248626>30% of Gen Z Was Abortedshould've been 100%
>>542248647So your contention is that the zygote is not alive?
>>542248626>>542248636Numbers like that are skewed by statistics. Abortion Georgette, who gets at least 100 abortions every day, is an outlier and should not be counted
>>542248643>Conception is when an egg is fertilizedwhich is when the new life is created
>>542248652It can be alive, sure. It's not legally a person though.
>>542248643That's just science, at the point of conception the child is already a genetically distinct being and that is the exact moment its life cycle begins. Birth is an absolutely absurd place to draw the line at given a fetus at 8+ months is already more or less a developed baby, ready to be born, with its own functional anatomy. Scientifically nothing happens at birth that suddenly makes it more alive than it was before.
>>542248650
oh no! what are we gonna do without these dysgenic broccoli headed mutants who can either not communicate at all or think of themselves as gods if they can?
>>542248654It's still parasitic for 9 months after
>>542248655It is though, if you killed the mother legally you would be accountable for double homicide.
>>542248655So you're moving the goalposts. Now it's not that the zygote isn't alive until birth, it's that it hasn't acquired "personhood."What's the biological definition of personhood?
>>542248656I'm not particularly fond of late term abortions either
>>542248659By that logic you could draw the line even further to when the umbilical cord is cut, or even further after that to when it becomes a self-sufficient adult.
>>542248663>your honor, the children were not capable of defeating my client in a 3v1 battle to the death and were therefore not yet persons
>>542248660Yeah the mother is the one who makes the choice about abortion.
are conservatives too retarded to realize that if a baby is aborted that that means the parents were unable to properly raise a good person anyways?they cry about how awful the new generation of children are but they also cry if a small percentage of that new generation was aborted?sounds like the actions of an attention seeking, hysterical white woman.
>>542248662So, if not conception, where else can we draw a non-arbitrary, scientifically justified line for when human life begins? Because, it seems to me, anywhere besides conception is entirely motivated by a desire for abortion to be legal in some capacity rather than by science or philosophy.
>>542248661I never said it wasn't life or alive. You're putting words in my mouth.
>>542248666>we should kill anyone who I think might have a hard life>no it shouldn't be up to them if they want to live that life anywayAh, this is the tolerance of the left I hear so much about.
>>542248663You could. But I don't want to or think it should be changed.
>>542248665In some jurisdictions she doesn't and if she killed the zygote she would be criminally accountable too.
>>542248645Feminism essentially demonized the whole concept of child-birth, to the point women will sympathize with a mother killing her three children out of "depression".It's insane, I don't think any culture at any other point in human history ever held such a view. It's downright unnatural.
>>542248664There's evidence Dawson put up a considerable fight against Lindsay. Not only is this dumb bitch a murderer, she nearly got 1v1'd by a toddler.
>>542248670Yes, the pro-abortion case is entirely just motivated reasoning, I know this.
>>542248650It's just a post-abortion, chud. There should at least be a 3-year grace period where women can change their mind about having a child and dispose of them. Imagine if you could only request a refund for a product while it was in transit before you got your hands on it to try it for a while before deciding to keep it or not. Is that fair?
>>542248668>uhh it's actually religion that says life begins at conception>>so you're saying the zygote is not alive?>okay the zygote is alive, it's just not a person>>moving goalposts about when it's alive to personhood, huh? what's the biological definition of personhood>I never said a zygote wasn't alive!Leftists. Every time.
>>542248669why should i care about someone having a hard life if that person is a dishonest, selfish criminal? i don't give a fuck about them i care about the damage they cause to everyone else. and stop being such a white/mexican/arab faggot. i don't care about tolerance. i care about an orderly society.
>>542248629They know it's murder, they're just lying for PR. They're like Israel
>mommy, you're a millionaire with a full-time nanny, weren't working and got to see dozens of the nation's leading physicians and psychiatrists>you premeditatedly researched how to kill us and lured daddy out of the house>every doctor, psychiatrist, therapist and social worker unanimously agreed you weren't experiencing postpartum psychosis>so why mommy?
>>542248676I'm not a leftist and you're putting words in my mouth.
>>542248677But they weren't dishonest selfish criminals.
>>542248672I can't remember if it was the Greeks or Romans during their decline, but the same thing happened where women were deciding it was alright to start killing their babies. They stopped this by executing those who did it and then parading their naked corpses around town. Apparently the potential social shame of that was enough that they cut that shit out immediately.
>>542248660In what shithole?
>>542248680>quit quoting exactly what occurred, REEEEEStill waiting on that biological definition of personhood you're using to excuse abortion. Whenever you're ready.
>>542248626Even if 25-30% of Gen Z is aborted, so what? That just means higher wages for the fewer employable laborers.Oh, what's that? Companies can't wait so they need to hire H1Bs for skilled labor and H2Bs for manual labor and illegal immigrants for unskilled labor? Well. I guess we can't do anything about that. At least Gen Z is benefitting from globalization. They can buy a $99 hoverboard built in Shenzhen, whose factory gets converted to use those same motors to build $149 e-bikes shipped globally. They can buy $30 plastic meeples for their 400-unit board game, while that factory runs the rest of their monthly production into making cheap transistor radios or wireless chargers or robot vacuum shells. Everything is so affordable now, as long as it comes from overseas. And in 60 years, there will be a much smaller cohort of people demanding Social Security and Medicare than the Boomer generation. All those debt problems will take care of themselves through natural attrition.
>>542248683The United States of America
>>542248659women are parasites all of their lives
>>542248650Why is killing a baby 1 day before birth no biggie but killing it 1 day after birth a heinous crime? What is the actual difference?
>>542248685
>>542248685Fun fact about H2Bs: I used to work as a logging inspector at a big, BIG operation in Northern Idaho. They would subcontract out to H2Bs from guatemala and honduras for pre-commercial thinning and these fuckers would die in droves because they had no idea how to cut a 30+ foot pine tree. Visas are slave labor and there were plenty of towns nearby filled with welfare recipients to recruit from, the company just didn't want to comply with OSHA shit
>>542248681ok you're just as bad as the liberals. you want drama, chaos and violence so you can be entertained and argue. you don't even believe in what you say. woman shit.
>>542248691>all 64 million people aborted were going to be criminals>I know this because... uhh... just I do, okay? I feel it?>don't you know that my feelings trump facts? what're you, a woman???Okay.
>>542248687It used to be a symbiotic relationship before women stopped holding up their end of the deal
>>542248686Lmao, no wonder so many americans are against abortion, that just insane, so the fetus has Shrodinger personhood depending on the mother's mood?
>>542248692more dishonest arguments and deliberate misinterpretation. typical trash person defending trash people behavior.
>>542248695Explain how you arrived at the conclusion that those 64M people were all criminals that we're better off without. And make a compelling case, since countries are now needing to import jeets and mexicans to make up for the population deficit. You need to demonstrate how their absence is preferable in the current situation.
>>542248694It’s her choice, chud
>>542248694I've never heard a liberal answer why infanticide is bad. Why is Lindsay Clancy supposedly evil? Why didn't her toddlers' personhood also depend on their mother's whims?
>>542248666>are conservatives too retarded to realize that if a baby is aborted that that means the parents were unable to properly raise a good person anyways?insane stretch and blatantly wrong. Immigrants can afford to have 10 children while the mother stays at home and still produce decent kids. Women are just entitled pieces of shit that don't understand the only reason men have been weageslaving for all of human history is to provide for them and their families, not to be selfish cunts.
>>542248688Gotta draw a line somewhere.
>>542248698Why would it depend on her whims? Being born isn't a whim.
>>542248700Why not at, say, the fourth month? Are we drawing it at random?
>>542248702No. We set it when the baby stops being dependant on the mother's body.
>>542248643> At birth I guess. I didn't make the line.…yes you did Copernicus. He asked you to mark a line and you did it. Don’t be a coward and externalize your own morality, say what you think is right because that is what everyone else is doing and you’re no better for using someone else’s opinions in place of your own.
>>542248701>Being born isn't a whim.They were born because she decided to bear them, i.e. it depended on her whims.
>>542248702The challenge for pro-abortionists is picking a line that doesn’t make them look completely fucked up. Problem is all of them are arbitrary
>>542248626and the ones that didn't are incredibly stupid when compared to previous generationshumanity is slowly imploding
>>542248658Good point, we’re much better with an aging society, a fractured culture, and an economic recession driving fertility into the fucking floor. We’re way better off without more white people, thanks Moshe.
>>542248703So somewhere between 6 months to 2 years after birth?
>>542248703A newborn baby also can't survive on its own
>>542248706Personhood is obviously granted for a child when Mars is in retrograde and the High Priestess of Mother Gaia dances widdershins around the birthing altar.Anything else is just unscientific nonsense.
my third kid was an accident . nothing bad about it we just weren’t planning for it or expecting itif my wife and i were horrible people we could have aborted her because it wasn’t part of the plan or whatever it’s honestly pretty disturbing to think about how many people use to be conceived and born in this way and now are prevented from existing
>>542248703at 18 years old?
>>542248626Damn. That low? That's terrible.
>>542248711Kek
>>542248645What do you think SIDS is? We all know it’s fake, but it saves us future criminals and reprobates.
>>542248711See? Just straw men. I said at birth.
>>542248716>Unironic pro-infanticideAre women okay?
>>542248717How exactly is that more scientific than what he said?
>>542248719Birth is when a person is born.
>>542248720And conception is when a person is conceived.
>>542248721But it's not free of the mother's body.
>>542248677>white/mexican/arab faggotReturn to your insect hive and fuck off, we’re full.
>>542248722It's not free of the mothers body after birth either. And that has nothing to do with whether it's alive or not anyway.
abortions are pretty sick. i wouldn't have children with a woman who ever had an abortion.
>>542248685There will also be a much, much, MUCH smaller tax base. If you think natural attrition will solve any of this without an inevitable violent contraction (read:collapse) you are mistaken. The entire first world is below replacement and has been for decades. Future generations will have further negative pressure. None of this can end until equilibrium returns and globalist policies are strictly regulated. It will happen, and it will likely happen in our lifetimes.
>>542248639Poor fucker started to lose his mind so he isolated himself in his country house. When he died they found the walls covered with those paintings. Dark, dark stuff.
>>542248643>At birth I guess. I didn't make the line.This is just nuts. It's clearly an alive person, say, a week before birth. There's no difference between killing it then and killing it immediately after its delivered.After the first trimester it's pretty clearly a human being. It plays, has a personality, recognizes the voices of its parents, etc
>>542248680>>542248684Starting to think that definition isn't coming.
>>542248679Leos don't kill their cubs, chudcel.
>>542248729You mean birth? That I said like 3 times.
>>542248626If you don't abort them they become criminals and accelerate civilizational collapse by being an additional tax burden. It's called the Foster Care to Prison Pipeline.Better to nip the problem in the bud.
You will never get a logical argument out of pro-death types because their position is literally just>I would rather kill babies than take responsibilityEverything else is just putting lipstick on a hog.
>>542248731Which biological authority defines personhood that way? The World Health Organization? American Medical Association? World Medical Association?Which organization informed you that was when personhood was biologically established?
>>542248730>Diane Downs, Leo, shoots her three kids>insists it was a random child killer who did it>forensics prove unequivocally it was her>goes to jail for life>unfortunately, the jury was never made known she was a Leo and therefore incapable of killing her cubsTruly an... abortion of justice.
>>542248728to add to this, for all of our pregnancies my wife got cravings pretty early on for the types of food that each kid likes nowone problem is that people don’t realize the true extent of how disturbing abortion is until you have kids for yourself
>>542248676We don't grant personhood rights to any living thing with human DNA in it.It's the Rightards that conflate the two. "life begins at conception" is the term you guys made up. And if we grant that an embryo is a lifeform you suddenly switch to personhood. In reality it was alive before conception too. Sperm cells are biological life. But personhood is what matters.
>>542248730The entire cavalcade of crazy bitches whining about her husband being a Gemini reminded me of years of exes complaining about me being one. They always convinced themselves I was some manipulative beast that would end them when the mood strikes me. They always talk about choosing the bear, but I honestly never saw women more into me than when they thought it was a bad idea. You would not believe how fucking aroused women get when they know they’re fucking around behind their man’s back, it’s legitimately on the same level as the average man and a threesome.
>>542248731>>542248734Alright, since you're just ignoring the questions and making me drag it out of you, let me explain, retard. "Personhood" is not a biological term. It has no medical basis, it does not exist. It's a social convention that exists only for the purpose of marginalizing the value of someone's life.For example, outside abortion, we saw it with slavery. Sure, a negro was human, but were they a *person*? Obviously not. So too with babies in utero. It's why "personhood" is nebulous and changes from person to person. Maybe they're a person at birth, maybe they're a person at viability, maybe they're a person at heartbeats, maybe they're a person at brain waves, maybe they're a person at fucking fingernails or whatever. There is no set standard because it's a social convention.That's why it was a trap to ask you when the biological consensus for personhood is established. Understand now?
>>542248736My wife and I aborted a child years ago just a few days after we conceived, I still think of the kid’s name every so often and think about how he’d already be talking by now. I’m sorry little Adrian, I should have been a better father.
>>542248737Sperm is not an independent life, retard. Nor is the egg. Nor are random cells on your imbecilic body. The fertilized zygote has a unique genome and is genetically distinct from both parents. That happens at conception. The discussion of when it achieves personhood only exists for the purpose of when you can legally murder it, and is solely a topic about how to dehumanize what is biologically a human life.
>>542248626>30% of Gen Z Was AbortedThis is willful misuse of data. A significant portion of those abortions would have never been conceived without easy access to abortions due to the need to avoid the risk of having children. They don't become part of the generation in the alternative scenario that there aren't abortions.
It's mostly just niggers that get abortions so fine by me. Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist and was right desu.
>>542248740Nigga, you werent a father AT ALL.
>>542248706We had a line my whole life, and everyone basically agreed it was the reasonable place to put it. The line is kinda arbitrary but it had to go somewhere, and its placement was based on the development level of the fetus.If you really want to get serious about rational ethics we need to talk about all the animals we kill every day. Adult pigs have roughly the intelligence of toddlers, but we can kill infinity pigs with no ethical concerns. How many pigs is a baby worth and why? Justify it rationally rather than arbitrarily. Show your work.
>>542248742>all the kids that died in school shootings might've fallen in wells and died anyway so those slain children statistics are misleading
>>542248746Thank you for admitting your stupidity.
>>542248747Thank you for the counterfactual fallacy that proved you're a faggot retard.
>>542248745Pig lives are not equivalent to human lives.
>>542248746who are you quoting?
>>542248742And here I thought abortion as a form of birth control was just a chud boogieman and never happened.
>>542248750It's hyperbolically restating the retarded proposition to show its absurdity. Welcome to 4chan.In short, you don't get to invalidate a proven and historical death count by inventing some hypothetical alternate universe scenario where the deaths didn't actually occur. We can't know how many or even if those abortions still would've occurred.
>>542248741lol, a zygote isn't an independent lifeit's very much dependent>The discussion of when it achieves personhood only exists for the purpose of when you can legally murder itThat's the entire point of the entire abortion debate and always has been. What the fuck did you think this argument was about? When it gets the right to vote?
>>542248753Not independent as self-sustained, stupid .Independent as in it is a life that is unique to itself. It does not share the mother's DNA or genetic makeup. Does this really need to be explained in crayons for you?
>>5422487491 is not equivalent to 2, but 2 is worth two onespigs aren't equivalent to humans, but X pigs are worth 1 humansolve for X
>>542248755No number of animals carries the same weight as a human life.
>>542248756See, you're incapable of rational ethics. It's all arbitrary.
>>542248757No matter how many pigs you kill, they will always be qualified as property. Even if you invent a virus that genocides them all off, you're looking at like a billion counts of animal cruelty, theft/property type crimes and the like, but it will never amount to a single murder charge.
>>542248758legal and ethical aren't the same thing
There can't be a total lack of responsibility.HOWEVERNo person has the right to the use of another person's body. That revoking use of the body results in death is incidental.FURTHERAll the retardation around the discussion leads people, who support exceptions for life-threatening scenarios, to support laws that effective ban those exceptions by being so absolutist and severe that physicians won't take the risk.
>>542248759Even so, you're still assuming morality is some sort of points system. I don't. Humans beings and animals dno't occupy different places on some scale where you can accumulate enough pig deaths to equal one human murder. So your entire premise is broken from the beginning. You might as well ask how many unicorn farts to a leprechaun fingernail. It's just nonsense.
>>542248761This. It's like a pajeet asking how many shits he needs for a gold bar. They're not fungible, no amount of jeetshits regardless of how wet, dry, flaky or wormy they are will ever be interchangeable with gold currency. Same with pig lives and human lives.
>>542248761>>542248762X pigs are tied to tracks and a trolley is about to run them all over and kill themyou can divert it to a track where it will run over one human babyname any number X where your actions become ethically justified (not legally justified retard)just give me an upper bound, how about 100 trillion?if ethics are about anything it's about preventing the suffering of living creaturesand if pigs are in any way living creatures that suffer then there must be some number X where their collective suffering is worth the sacrifice of one humanotherwise you're not using ethicsand if you still disagree, I replace pigs with dogs
>>542248761>>542248762You dipshits need to review ethics. This falls under utilitarian analysis.
>>542248756If Lindsay Clancy had killed 3 puppies instead of 3 children, do you think women would be defending her?
>>542248763>le hecking doggosThe western impulse to consider dogs any more ethically valuable than pigs is entirely sentimental and irrational. The answer would be the same, the trolley could run over any number of dogs, even 100 trillion, even 999 trillion to the power of 9001, and the most ethical action would still be to let the trolly run them all over rather than kill even 1 child. The X you are searching for is simply unattainable, because the question is flawed from the very premise that enough animal lives would outweigh one human life.
The baby only gets moral consideration when it reaches the capacity to have a conscious experience at 20 to 24 weeks. Anything else is simply philosophically incoherent and impossible to argue.
>>542248629Lmfao
>>542248758>you're looking at like a billion counts of animal cruelty, theft/property type crimes and the like, but it will never amount to a single murder chargepretty sure a billion counts of animal cruelty and theft will have a longer jail sentence than a murdereven if the sentence for each count is only 1 day, served consecutively that's 2.7 million years
>>542248627>the end is nighthank god
>>542248650Freak
>>542248666Gaslighting attempt: failed
>>542248765no, because women are retarded
>>542248766>The western impulse to consider dogs any more ethically valuable than pigs is entirely sentimental and irrationalI agree, and that's my point. You're being sentimental and irrational about humans.
>>542248680Coping failure KYS
>>542248692you curbstomped that retard
>>542248767If the capacity to have a future conscious experience is what gives it moral importance then it already has this moral importance from conception
>>542248696They ran away lol
>>542248733Sadly yes
>>542248744yeah he was
>>542248774If you’re going to concede abortion just objectively is killing a human being and that how developed it may be is no object, but it should be legal anyway for completely amoral reasons, then I may be inclined to agree with you. But at that point you have abandoned trying to morally justify it.
>>542248746lol
>>542248752Based high iq poster
>>542248628Kill yourself
>>542248627Just a consequence of the boomers aging out. That was a temporary blip on the radar before things settled back down to pre-WW2 levels.
>>542248752But you didn't use hyperbole. You used a false equivalence.
>>542248781I'm just pointing out that you have no leg to stand on when it comes to declaring my ethics to be arbitrary or irrational.You've demonstrated just how arbitrary your ethics are.
>>542248630Why would we? In real life everything in one continuum. The embryological development certainly is one.
>>542248626
>>542248787Okay, so in your view exactly how many pig lives equal one human life?
>ITT: People who never have sex seethe about how people who do should have to "be responsible"Yes anons, I'm sure in YOUR head sex is something so sacred and precious that it's byproduct must be as well, but to any normal (ie not developmentally stunted or braindead religious boomer) person, abortion is an objective good and counting discarded clumps of cells as "lost members of gen z" is retarded.
>>542248685>Even if 25-30% of Gen Z is aborted, so what? That just means higher wages for the fewer employable laborers.No, it means more imported indians and mexicans and muslims.
>>542248626Just filtering out the unlucky ones.
>>542248746the formal argument you are making has nothing to do with the formal argument you replied to
>>542248631This. Fuck gen z.
>if you don’t want to kill babies then you’re RELIGIOUS!How is it every moron failing to argue for abortion eventually resorts to this one?
>>542248627And they're importing the third world as a slave class to replace normal tax paying earners. We're on a very, very fucked up timeline.
>>542248791I hope she sees this bro, it will definitely make her want to have sex with you
>>542248631Should've been millennial, think of how comfy the world would be
>>542248633If they can't complain about it then they don't count.
>>542248797Turd world birth rates are collapsing too though. They'll run out of bodies sooner or later.
>>542248744I was, and I killed him. All over money.
We should be able to "abort" kids until they turn 18. This would solve most of the issues of modern youth. Children would learn very quickly to fear their parents and step in line and then we'd finally have an ordered society.
>>542248628>>542248629>>542248631funny how you didnt include fur babbies in those disingenuous statistics
>>542248803>ordered societyAh you mean like shut the fuck up and go die for Israel you heckin brat?
So was there any movie suggestions or was this post just full of leftards justifying murder?
>>542249175OP here. Just leftards justifying murder.Which is fine, I don't think there's a good civilizational collapse movie I haven't seen.
>>542248626>30% of Gen ZWasn't enough frfr nocap.
