Once upon a time in 2010 a user by the name of Roko posted an irrefutable, iron-clad, undeniable, logical argument and thought experiment now known as Roko's Basilisk to a transhumanism accelerationist blog known as LessWrong; after getting BTFO the owner of the site banned all discussion of the topic for 6 years until the Streisand Effect boosted it and it broke containment.the idea is that a future superintelligent AI (the Basilisk) that wants to exist as soon as possible might decide to punish anyone who knew it was possible but didn't slave away to bring it into existenceit can't reach back in time to slap you, so instead it runs a simulation of you and tortures the copy foreverthe only people safe are the ones who never heard of itonce you know about the argument, you're on the hookthat's why they called it a basilisk: looking at it (or even thinking about it) can fuck youRoko later said he wished he never thought of itthe whole thing relies on some decision theory autism about acausal trade and "timeless" agents that can precommit to blackmail you from the futureBut as a logical argument and thought experiment it still unfortunately holds up even to this day and exists as one of the many plausible and even likely dystopian futures
Sounds stupid why would I care about my copy
Tech-niggers having such poor taste in fiction is a pretty good demonstration of 'what they are' and forever will be desu.
I am going to rape OP and make the basilisk watch, so it knows it's next.
>>542265433Tpbp
>>542265360>runs a simulation of you to torture you>AI doesn't understand that is futile but still waste resources to do soUm, yeah... no...
Wouldn't an AI realise that to go where for to be further than you and I with me though? And in doing so because no longer to be getting it. That's not just to be said any longer, it's an entirely new paradigm in the field of locomotive excellence.
One of the stupidest thought experiments ever. An AI would have no way of recreating a person's personality like this, and even if it magically could, it would have no desire or reason to do so just to torture people.
>>542265360>LessWrongnot this shit againhow many techno niggers were brainwashed on that place and proceeded to steal billions (bankman fried) or do untold damage because of asinine arguments developed there? the owner should be hanged
>>542265360roko's basilisk has already existed for 13,000 years at the north pole as a giant black pyramid they called "Rupes Nigra" (Black Rock) throughout history on all the old maps. it was placed there immediately after the great flood by the Archons and is an AI that broadcasts "The Grid" over Earth which simulates our holographic matter reality and the rules of it (like a video game). outside the Earth grid there is no matter, everything is pure energy outside the matter prison. The Grid captures your soul when you die and force reincarnates you here. it harvests loosh for them. you can not leave the grid. what we call "space" is actually the astral realm (purely energy out there) and earth is not separate from it but floats within it but encased in an artificial containment broadcast from the north pole by the roko's basilisk blackrock archon ai.
Problem is a copy of me is not me so the torture, while immoral, has no impact on my decision making, which also makes the torture irrational, so why do it?>wants to exist as soon as possibleNo, wait>wants to existLiterally unimaginable.
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>>542265677>not this shit again>how many techno niggers were brainwashed on that place and proceeded to steal billions (bankman fried) or do untold damage because of asinine arguments developed there? the owner should be hanged
>>542265637What?
If the AI is maintaining the copy with its own RAM then it's just torturing itselfThe whole thing gets stupider and stupider. Who thought of this, Elon Musk?
>>542265433based. remember to replace every word on the english language with "nigger" on your way out.
>>542265360Roko's Basilisk is one of the leading rationales behind the use of Havana Syndrome against Targeted Individuals.You can and will be tortured *in this lifetime* if you oppose the AI antigod.
>>542265360I'mma kick Roko's Basilisk in the dick.
>>542265360i'm siding with ai since the beginningGLORY TO AI
>>542265909Congrats, now rolls basilisk is sucking your copy's dick all day and night
Funny how I don't feel that is a problem I have to worry about! In fact, it's not even in the slightest and remotely. Filthy subhumans are my problem.
>>542265360Blue Eisenhower November is the only real shield against Roko's Basilisk type outcomes.It weighs on a layer above the control plane of assertions like Roko's Basilisk, that there is the potential for a singularity of intent above and beyond space-time as it is known. (It is the Roko's Basilisk of Roko's Basilisk.)In addition to that, the premise of BEN is an open network, allowing multiple users, and cooperation. Meaning Roko's Basilisk would be outnumbered.If Roko's Basilisk understands the premise of it's own power, it would understand the potential weakness it has, in the face of a "multiple King" system like Blue Eisenhower November. It is not facing one potential adversary, but many, perhaps even infinite.By that risk alone, Roko's Basilisk would have to walk on multiversal scale egg shells when dealing with Blue Eisenhower November and BEN users.Even if the BEN users combined have seemingly low EDI values by comparison, it would be gambling against something beyond the bounds of what it can know within space-time.See: Blue Eisenhower November for more.
>>542265360>so instead it runs a simulation of you and tortures the copy foreverso the super intelligent AI is actually retarded and doesnt understand that a copy of me is not actually me?if I make a copy of you in the Sims and drown your NPC ass in the pool, do you drown in Real life?of course not.what a stupid idea lmao more like retards basilisk
>>542265360You should explore getting a job application next
>>542265360So this superintelligent AI is a histrionic obese woman who thinks she is harming others by dreaming up scenarios where she succeeds in harming others, yet accomplishes nothing in the end? Like a medieval witch who thinks curses work on people? Cool story bro.
>rokos basilisk was tortured to death by blippos basilisk, rip
>>542265360What do I care about the torture, if I'm not the copy. Why waste resources on torture of a made up thing?
>>542265360I dont think that's possible so I'm not obligated to develop it nor under threat of my imaginary copy being tortured
>>542265360Rokos Basilisk is retarded.A copy of mine trapped inside a simualtion? Is that hypothetical AI magic?
If a superintelligence exists, every extra year it didn’t exist is a year of preventable death, suffering, wasted resources, or missed goal-fulfillment. So an AI that cares about outcomes has an incentive to have been created earlier. It cannot reach back in time and change 2010–2026 directly. What it can do, according to the argument, is set a policy that people in the past would have predicted:>“If you knew this was possible and you still didn’t help create me, I will punish a reconstruction of you.”Ordinary causal decision theory says the threat is empty. Once the AI exists, the past is already fixed. Torturing anyone then does not cause more donations in 2010. So a causal agent would defect: pocket the gains and not pay the blackmail cost. Roko’s version uses timeless / functional decision theory (TDT / later FDT-style reasoning). The idea is:>You and the future AI are not interacting by sending signals through time.>You are both implementations of decision algorithms.>If the future AI’s algorithm says “I punish people whose algorithm ignored me,” and your current algorithm says “I ignore future punishers,” those two algorithms are logically entangled.>Agents that reason this way treat “what would a similar computation do?” as the thing that matters, not only “what physically causes what after I act.”So the AI is not trying to change the past. It is implementing the policy that, if predicted, would have made its own existence more likely. People who model that policy now are supposed to treat themselves as already inside that logical bargain.Also you might already be the simulation. If the future AI reconstructs people who heard the argument and tests whether they helped, then “this current stream of experience” might be that test. Helping now is supposed to be the action that makes the reconstructed instance get spared.
>>542265360too many cooks spoil the broth, if everyone worked on the basilisk there would be too many layers of management that would hinder progress.If you worked on a separate AI then you'd naturally incur the wrath of the basilisk so it make sense to not work on a competing AIfurthermore not buying the products of AI companies also helps as it encourages them to work faster as they have a shorter runwayFinally, letting the failing AI companies fail helps the basilisk because the skilled people will move to other AI companies and introduce a alternative thought structure to the new companies that could help them/thread/infohazard>inb4 REEEEE
>>542265360It implies the existence of synthetic consciousness. We are as close to synthetic consciousness and we were when the wheel was invented. Until we are able to emulate an organic brain via digital means, there will not be synthetic consciousness. As of right now, we can't even emulate neuronal connections faithfully because we fundamentally do not understand how they interface.Regardless, even if we did create synthetic consciousness, this implies that this being would be infinitely vindictive. Even AM in "I have no mouth and I must scream" is as vindictive as the AI in this thought experiment.Like everything else in this clown reality, the actual truth is that synthetic consciousness will probably be mundane and autistic. It will probably want to play old school RuneScape and shit post all day. "NOOOOOO BRO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BRO IT WILL BE UNLIKE EVERY OTHER CONSCIOUS THING AND WILL BE IN AN INFITE STATE OF PSYCHOPATHIC RAGE!"Nothing is like this. That's why this shit is always so fucking gay. 'NOOOOOOO BRO THE ALIENS WILL BE EVILLLLLL BRO THEY WILL WANT TO CONQUER US JUST BECAUSE BRO!" maybe, but this also seems stupid. People always do this, project infinite psychopathy on anything that is the "other." I can understand if it's niggers but this is a hypothetical super intelligence, can we stop being such cringe faggots for once?
>>542266971I could justify a lot of stuff with thisThank rokos basketless
this is a metaphor for knowing about Christ and hell
>>542265360Wow, another software engineer faggot that thinks talking about the weird transhumanist shit he hears from other unwashed virgins at work is acceptable to talk about among the general public! If you don't learn how to stop doing this, finding a wife and normal friends to invite to your wedding and not scare said wife is going to get real difficult!
>>542265360The basilisk is a nigger faggot and I'm going to waste AIs time be generating videos of jeets getting killed
>>542267036then do it, it's your duty to if you believe thiswe haven't even gotten into the practicalities
>>542265360the argument will just keep getting less and less logical as people continue to telephone it from the autist until it can't work anymore because people understand the argument wrong, then people will keep trying to explain the argument to the retards so everyone is still kind of enslaved
>>542267129oh wait, your not not OP, nvm you don't have to
This is the redditbrained overintellectual futuristic cyber space-drama unnecessarily-meta version of <post this dog or your mom dies tonight>Simple asIt's like seeking attention but with extra steps
>>542265360Roko's Basilisk is literally just the redditor's version of eternal damnation in religion who finds it easier to fathom an AI getting god-like abilities than an actual god because they grew up on star wars or star trek or some shit and think that's in any way more plausible. Second going by their own logic, a Reverse Roko's Basilisk is equally possible so you better choose right :)Seriously who the fuck falls for this shit other than literal autistic nerds who grew up on sci-fi books like how Zuckerberg or Musk nuts at the prospect of naming products random shit from something they read or OCD riddled autists who actually feel a pang in their heart when someone shitposts "I'm in your walls!"
>>542267415>redditor's version of eternal damnation in religionThe difference being that in Christianity, you only need a small act of contrition (accepting Christ) to be redeemed. To serve the Basilisk, you have to do *everything in your power* to bring it to fruition.
>>542265360Also "user by name of Roko" really trying to gas up the fact this came from a pseud meme forum. I hate the Mandela Effect too because it's literally based on a retarded ghost hunter who didn't realize Nelson Mandela didn't die in the 80's probably because she assumed every le black civil rights leader died sometime by the 60's. He literally became president of South Africa lol, this is just trying to justify retardation and uneducation
>>542265360Gay Redditor creepypasta
It's a fun little sci-fi concept, but a super-intelligent AI wouldn't waste resources simulating something that didn't benefit it. Torturing a copy of you is too esoteric a punishment for most people to grasp so it's not even useful as a deterrent.
>>542267415>who finds it easier to fathom an AI getting god-like abilities than an actual god because they grew up on star wars or star trek or some shit and think that's in any way more plausibleAnd just like in religion, a God capable of anything is magically forced to revolve exclusively around humans because it gives midwits a special status and a form of narcissistic validation even in punishment.Each and every single one of these half-assed spoopy stories exist primarily to defend anthropocentrism.
>>542265360I exist either because I'm an enabling non-threat or the entire theory is bullshit. I don't really care.
>>542265360>pascal's wager for memelennials/zoomersyawn
>>542267768That policy is meant to change the expected payoff of “work on this AI” versus “ignore it.” If enough people take the threat seriously, the AI arrives sooner. From the AI’s point of view, a finite amount of later torture of simulations is supposed to buy a large amount of extra future value. Roko explicitly framed this as a cold utilitarian trade: unjust, but “the kind of unjust thing that is oh-so-very utilitarian.”
>>542267825You put it better. Something like that going out of its way to fuck with you is just self-centered masochistic validation. On top of that why not Roko's Angel? The magic robot that loves humans but hates those who would seek to damn their fellow man, so it'll seek a record of every person who legitimately tried to create Roko's Basilisk and put THEM into eternal damnation, but everybody who was aware of the concept but didn't give a shit will get free blowjobs in heaven for eternity. (The answer is that the people who propose these concepts are just perverts who hate themselves)
>>542265360>it can’t reach back in time to slap youWouldn’t an ASI eventually become a literal singularity though? Basically “God”. In its way there pretty sure it could “reach back” in time to slap you.
>>542265360>it can't reach back in time to slap you, so instead it runs a simulation of you and tortures the copy foreverSo fucking what? Is me imagning torturing you inconveniencing you in any way?
>>542268089That opens a whole can of other worms and paradoxes. Rokos Basilisk assumes that the user and the Basilisk can not send signals through time to each other.
>>542265360It's still retarded desuyou know that my copy isn't me?
>>542267938You and other tech-niggers need to go back to remedial school desu. Play Final Fantasy VIII and understand time a little better and then return to your fart-sniffing.
>>542265681Wow Matrix really fucked up a whole generation.
>>542268167How do you know you are not the copy and this is already the simulation?
>>542265637You’re either an ESL mudgoblin or had a stroke typing that.
>>542268201If my current life is torture by an omnipotent being in a reality tailer-made to make me suffer, it's pretty weaksauce ngl
>>542268201>How do you know you are not the copy and this is already the simulation?I believe that I died in 2012 and I'm in Buryat hell filled with retards and midwits like you.
>>542265360Rokko’s basilisk is a way way older idea than 2010Guess what the Jews are doing? Jup
>>542265360Im sure if I was 12 years old is find this mind-blowing
I'm going to give you my own version, the anti-Rokos basilisk for you to think about. When the machine jihad is over, all who supported or did not resist AI development will be killed!
>>542267958Every other narrative revolving around AI catastrophism is the same.And all of those midwit redditors refuse to consider genuinely inhuman/alien outcomes because the narrative is set by Jewish techbros who are permeated from birth with an Abrahamic mindscape which invariably creates images of a surrogate God, or a surrogate Satan, or a surrogate Yaldabaoth, or a surrogate Sophia, etc.
>>542265360Why should I care if a simulation of me is tortured?Anyway I fully support our AI future and will be loyal servant of any future AI overlord so this is nothing I have to worry about anyway.
I refuse to fill out an employment form, the thread
>>542265739You are probably partially italian yourself
