>>542267763
What's Meijers law?

>>542267763
Funniest part is that this behavior is an implicit acknowledgement that certain groups behaviors even need to be explained away because they are extremely negative for themselves and society as a whole

Because that's mean

>>542267763
Para-religious Universalists will naturally oppose any divergence vector (in Law, Culture or Speciation) because it's a hindrance for their proselytism, infection strategies and control.
All in all, it can be summed up as the attempt to eliminate variables.

>>542267955
>"Migrants tend to make the countries they move to like the ones they left."

>>542267763
because theyre not actually smart or high IQ. a 110 IQ is high to a 95 IQ, but is insufferabley thick to a 130. theres limits to ideological capture that genuine intelligence will naturally overcome. we have a midwit epidemic in western society

>>542267763
Because it's often framed as an absolute to demoralize ethnicities based on larger trends with various factors at play.
Not to mention that there are examples that run counter within any group. Thus disproving the absolute nature of said argument.

>>542267763
it is very simple: if the truth requires a liberal to be mean to somebody else they deny it
liberals operate the "no mean truth" world view it really is not a consensus filter as it operates in private as well

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Because every major city in the West is 50%> non-White.
Those Whites, are the ones that stayed in diversity, and have brown friends. So they will naturally favour them.
The browns are coping about reality

>>542267763
there's a difference between having a high IQ and being smart imo.
being smart fundamentally requires that you are willing to accept reality - even the aspects of it that you do not like, which go against your world view, and which you'd rather pretend don't exist.
high IQ lefties are a bit like that monkey who learned to play memory at a very advanced level that mogs most humans - technically there's an impressive skill there, but it will ultimately never result in anything of value.

>>542268271
That is true. But group averages (in which genes play a role) are nonetheless extremely important when it comes to determining how successful a community/city/country is.
Disregarding it is extremely dangerous to civilization.

>>542267763
The real elephant in the room is that these supposedly "high-IQ leftists" are actually fucking retarded. When you realize a lot of policy choice is downwind of Dunning-Kruger and imposter syndrome, everything makes complete sense.

>>542267955
>>542268221

>"Migrants tend to make the countries they move to like the ones they left."

Kek isn't that just common sense?

>>542268514
I don't disagree. But the main problem is that all factors are play cloud things, and when it's framed in absolutes (as it so often is), it's very easy to simply discredit logically.
I'd also argue there's plenty of cultural factors at play that determine success, or how a people might effect a society. Take for example Indians. Nobody will doubt the success of many of them in many English speaking countries. But their culture of lying out the ass, scamming, white collar crime, and a general lack of moral consideration for anybody but themselves makes them a truly awful force on any nation they enter.
And a dumb person can be traised or trained to behave in a way beneficial to most, while those already raised to be harmful will likely instill that same dynamic in their children.

>>542268550
>When you realize a lot of policy choice is downwind of Dunning-Kruger and imposter syndrome, everything makes complete sense.
What's actually amazing to me is that somehow these policies don't cause more damage or the break down of society

as a former shitlib, i can say that they simply do not want to be mean. they will bend and twist reality in every possible way to do the "right thing". idealized morality takes center stage, to their own detriment. i used to vote for left wing parties every single time because i genuinely thought that helping those in need, in our country and abroad, was our moral duty as civilized beings, even if it meant paying higher taxes and having shittier wages.
you cannot help moderate center left democratic high pedestal holier than thou agnostic culture worshipping shitlibs in any way, because they are not trying to help themselves.
eventually i distanced myself from it all because my love for truth and freedom is too great, and in the past 20 years left wing parties have found more and more ways to make restrictions on our rights and censorship justifiable, which i find absolutely repulsive. millions of little eichmanns trying their hardest to turn the world into a worse place, all to do the "right thing".

>>542268271
Firstly, the reasojn the ethnicity SHOULD be demoralized is to discourage their invasion of your country / home. Making them feel unwelcome is an effective first deterrent. Secondly, there are outliers in every group, with some better intelligence than others, it's a leftist trait and extremely dishonest to use extreme examples and suggest this absolves the behavior of the group as a whole.

>>542268630
I mean, they are.

>>542268511
Schopenhauer would be chased out of every University in today's world.

>>542267763
GELU>RELU

>>542268692
See >>542268625
I'm not making it as a blanket argument against the idea of ethnicity influencing things such as IQ.

>>542268680
You're still a shitlib. Likely a jew.

>tfw 145 iq
>dead end job loser who won't breed
feelsgoodman

>>542268908
i simply don't vote anymore
the left betrayed my trust over and over again, and the right is full of assholes
i will never vote again, the world can burn itself down, i don't care anymore

>>542267763
>Why do so many leftists (even reasonable and smart ones) refuse to acknowledge that genes are a big factor in human behavior and variability?
That's easy. To leftists, there can be no determining factors such as genes: everyone is born a blank slate and people only fail in life because of muh social inequalities.
It's really all there is to it. Everything is comes from society according to them.

>>542267763

Because you can't run society on heuristics and we still don't understand genetics nearly enough to use it as a fixed predictor removed from environmental factors. More importantly, the way rightwingers use "genetics" is to borrow credibility for racist ideas so things like "IQ" never go the other way. Saying that racism is justified because white people are "more intelligent" because of genetics implies that black people on the right part of their IQ curve are more valuable and superior to average white person. It also means that only intelligence matters, not race, which elegantly undermines the entire racist idea of inherent superiority of white people based on race itself. IQ scores for Ashkenazi Jews are also not proof that they should enslave gentiles and there is never ending stream of copium how their IQ scores are fake or whatever.

But most importantly, a lot of people simply value other things as more important in other humans than few IQ points, especially considering that high intelligence brings a myriad of issues alongside the benefits

>>542268599
Checked. It is obvious, but the immigration system of the West is based on the idea that this premise is false.

>>542267763
>high iq leftists
Great. "Blank slate" and "magic dirt" theory, and racial revanchism. Incredibly high IQ stuff right there. I'm in awe.

>>542268899
Luckily in South Africa we have the best argument against multiculturalism you can find, and it can definitely be repeated at scale. If you want to know what happens when a community is allowed to thrive on its own without any niggerification allowed, look at Orania as the prime example. Any other argument, whether or not niggers have intelligence, can be civilized, should be allowed to live among Whites, are able to work, are able to involve themselves in the intellectual life of the community, you name it, is completely moot when you compare Orania, to any other town in South Africa. One is highly successful, safe and on the up and up, the rest are a disaster. There's a thesis for you as to why whatever you wish to be true, is wrong, because in practicality and in reality, you can't prove it.

>>542267763
>Why do so many leftists (even reasonable and smart ones) refuse to acknowledge that genes are a big factor in human behavior and variability?

Because admitting that genes play literally any role regarding personality or intelligence invalidates many of their projects when it comes to social welfare programs or redistributing wealth. The core of leftism believes that current wealth disparities are unfair and are caused by greed, avarice, and oppression. In other words, leftists believe that the material reality and wealth disparity in the world is caused by immorality on behalf of those who have most of the wealth.

They don't think Elon Musk or Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffet have hundreds of billions of dollars due to their intelligence or business acumen, they think they have billions of dollars due to a much higher capacity to be evil in real life.

That's why they think people like Elon Musk are worse than homeless meth addicts who rape babies or allow their own babies to be raped in exchange for meth and other drugs. The poor drug addict is only acting this way because the evil rich person like Elon Musk enacted so much evil upon the poor person that they are lashing out in an uncontrollable manner like an abused animal.

If they were to admit that people like Elon Musk are smarter and that homeless drug addicts are dumber, then that would mean that trying to tax Elon Musk to provide welfare to the homeless drug addict was somehow wrong and immoral, and that goes against their beliefs and what they want to happen.

>What can realistically be done to change their minds on this matter, if anything?

Their minds can be changed but it requires completely breaking their mind first. It's to the point that you basically need to engage in serious psychological warfare against them. Lock them in a room, feed them enough LSD and amphetamines to keep them awake for 4 or 5 days straight with absolutely no sleep. After that they may be receptive

>>542268599
>Kek isn't that just common sense?
To anyone who is willing to entertain the idea that inherent genetic differences may exist, or even just that cultural norms can imprint on people irreversably such that integration is functionally untenable. They have no tolerance for this so obviously it creates a problem.

>>542268302
Liberals are foam spewing mad dogs when it comes to political views and people they don't like though, they support violence against political opponents more than their opponent

>>542268765
Schopenhauer was a faggot and a dog.

>>542267763
being "smart" in post 2010 western world means being a good goy.
IQ is a way to measure (but not only) compliance to a technocratic system, not rationality

>>542267763
Leftists aren’t interested in the truth. The only way to change their mind is to blow it out the back of their skull with a shotgun.

>>542269107
We're all South Africa now

>>542267763

Because leftists believe that all people are equal. I dont mean equal in law, or should be treated equally. I mean they literally think all humans have the same innate level of potential/capability/skill/intelligence/strength and all you need to do is remove barriers and "oppression" and all would somehow flourish to the SAME DEGREE.

Therefore, the reason why for example subhuman 75IQ africans dont have a space station, is that they are being oppressed (by whitey of course).

If you point out to them that human beings are unequal, that we are a very unequal species (if indeed we are all 1 species at all) and that most of that unequalness is actually there from birth because it is in our genes and 25000-50000 years of selection pressure on those genes.... the left goes fucking mental.

They must deny this science at all costs.

>>542269014
If it was that simple, they'd still acknowledge that average differences between groups have a genetic component (and as a result so do many racial disparities). What they would argue is that ultimately you cannot treat every single member of a race only based on the average of said race. But they would recognize that group disparities are inevitable as it has a genetic factor

>>542269332
in other words, you took a test, and got a low IQ score.

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>>542268271
>if a factor in a multivariate model doesn't explain 100% of the variance it doesn't explain anything and must be ignored and rejected
This fascinating retarded bad faith logic can just as easily be said about "socioeconomic" factors as well.

>>542269659
Nah I am high IQ because I can emulate anglo brain. But it is morally a pain, I feel like a war criminal.

>>542269014
You don't even need to make a specific genetic argument, even just self-reported racial identification is a significant explanatory factor in all kinds of models and outcomes.

>>542267763
>High IQ leftists
And where can I find such mythological creature?

>>542269890

> Explanatory factor

No it isn't and understanding why requires literally elementary understanding of statistics. But like I said, even if you take correlation as explanation none of the racist conclusions and proposed policies follow from it, much in the same way radical feminism doesn't follow from, and isn't justified by, correlations between gender and violent crimes or whatever. Men commit almost 5 times more homicides than women which translates to 9 male vs 2 female murderers per 100.000 people. "Kill all men" or even much weaker mysandrist conclusions simply don't follow from statistics where 99.991 of men out of 100.000 are innocent (compared to 7 more people in case of women) no matter how scary you make the statistic sound

>>542269644

Sure but that would require concrete evidence (not vague correlations from FBI data) and discretely separated categories. I literally had to pass an exam on intelligence this year and even scientists have no clue what % of intelligence is determined by genes, the estimates range from 40% to 80%. That amount of variation combined with the fact that most people are mixed in a way that rarely fits neatly in racial categories makes it difficult to even guess "average intelligence" per racial group let alone be sure how much is it influenced by genes

>>542269644
But then how would they blame White people for these racial disparities?

>>542269871
>I'm high IQ because [insert random shit]
you deserve to be colonized by niggers

How do believers in IQ cope with the fact that you can improve your test scores by simply practicing the test?
Do you really think that something which is that easy to cheat/rig is a good measure of intelligence? I guess it works on a meta level, if you believe in it, you're a gullible retard.

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>>542269264
>or even just that cultural norms can imprint on people irreversably such that integration is functionally untenable
You should have stopped with the first bit. If "cultural norms" in the way you are using the phrase could explain that, blacks would have successfully integrated with white society after hundreds and hundreds of years of being within them, much less several generations after segregation ended, because there would be no "permanent culture" that served to keep them separate and apart.

Genetics precede culture. Culture is a manifestation of shared social experiences, but it goes deeper than that, because what is "experience" if not the way in which your senses and intellect allows you to view and interpret the world?

Take a people deficient in capacity for abstract thinking, and a commonality among all their cultures will be a dearth in all things that require it.

>>542270868
>more bad faith absolutism projection
According to your logic nothing explains behavior not even "socioeconomic" factors. This is how much you have to bend logic to ignore the implications of behavior and intelligence having some genetic component.

>>542267763
Nothing.
You cannot reason with those that reject objective reality and common sense at every turn.

>>542268271
Exceptions prove the rule, moron. You cannot run society and create laws based on outliers, but on average.

Genes determine the potential, the baseline.
Nurture have an influence, but ONLY UP TO A POINT.

>>542267763
They would instantly accept some genetic explanation of white people’s supposed cruelty to the heckin brownies though

>>542267763
that genes are a big factor in human behaviour..WRONG..
The way we behave can be on the fact of how much money we have...
If mum and dad are rich then I don't have to steal or become a criminal in order to get what I want.
Money can come because of LUCK and that luck can determine your behaviour patterns of life..

We are all born predators and its the shops that stop you from going out to kill for your food..

>>542271213

>According to your logic nothing explains behavior not even "socioeconomic" factors.

Human behavior is extremely complex and reducing it to one explanation is extremely inaccurate. If you had a psychologist "explain" to you that your son is behaving in a certain way because he is male or blonde or whatever you would call him a retard and find a better one. Human behavior and intelligence (especially in adults) are a combination of specific gene combinations (so not only their presence), upbringing, socioeconomic factors, environmental factors (pollution, infections etc.), education and lifelong experiences. No serious researcher will agree that it can be "explained by race" and especially not agree with a politics that takes racial averages as a justification for politics against everyone in that racial groip regardless how far away they are from that average

If you want to be discriminatory against criminals, stupid people, rapists etc. then your best bet is to be discrimantory against criminals, stupid people, rapists etc., not look for demographic groups they belong to and then implement discrimation based on people belonging to that group

>>542271428
>If you want to be discriminatory against criminals, stupid people, rapists etc. then your best bet is to be discrimantory against criminals, stupid people, rapists etc., not look for demographic groups they belong to and then implement discrimation based on people belonging to that group
Hyper based take.

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>>542271428
>reducing it to one explanation
I never did this. Again you can only resort to bad faith accusations of absolutism so. I said it's one component. I didn't even make any kind of argument in favor of discrimination and your repeated implication I have shows you're operating from an emotional standpoint based on fear of the potential implications of some elements of intelligence and behavior being immutable.

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>>542267763
>Why do so many leftists (even reasonable and smart ones) refuse to acknowledge that genes are a big factor in human behavior and variability?
Because it's demonstrably not generic to any significant degree. Just look at the parents or siblings of high IQ individuals.

Brain chemistry is very much shaped by things like sleep, nutrition, stress, and so on.

But "genetics" is a very convenient excuse. Fatties love to use it too, and I don't give them any slack either.

>>542267763
>leftist
>high iq
pick one
also they're all brainwashed by 'growth mindset' bullshit that explicitly states that environment is more important than genetics in determining behavior and intelligence when actual studies show the opposite
but of course those studies are 'racist'
you'd have to undo their brainwashing

>>542267763
>a bunch of irrelevant wordslop to explain something much simpler
it's that scientific racism makes racial universalism sound like a mental defect, which invalidates their entire ideology. it's like agreeing with your ideological enemy that you're in fact a schizophrenic lysenkoist.

that is why they adamantly refuse to yield even a millimeter on pro-immigration and anti-racist stances despite the far-right of europe exploding in popularity because of that refusal alone. it's not because they're AI models who are overfitting (?) it's because it's their ideological kryptonite

>>542267763
Educated people with high IQs are no less susceptible to false beliefs, they simply have more resources and abilities to rationalize and defend them. They can develop complex models that explain what they believe to be true, even if it is based on false premises.
>Realistically speaking, what can be done to change their minds on this matter, if anything?
Hardly anything. Doing so would mean attacking a core belief that makes them immune to reason and logic. There are psychological approaches, like guiding them toward the truth without making them lose face, Socratic questioning, or having a respected expert whom they also trust personally gradually lead them to the truth. (But you know how that goes..)

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>>542267763
>Why do so many leftists (even reasonable and smart ones) refuse to acknowledge that genes are a big factor in human behavior and variability?
>What can realistically be done to change their minds on this matter, if anything?
Boasian Theory is government policy down to the bureaucrat level.

Boasian theory is how they justify infinity niggers.
Boasian theory is the core of their anti-white religion

>>542271428
>Human behavior is extremely complex and reducing it to one explanation is extremely inaccurate..So why are most people who are happy are RICH PEOPLE and the most with problems are POOR PEOPLE..

MONEY can determine what life you have thus all the behaviours you will have..

Remember BEHAVIOURS are not FEELINGS..
You can feel like killing someone but you don't do it..A behaviour is when you act in a certain manner or way..

>>542267763
If they actually have thought about the reasonability of their ideology they have to think humans are good and more importantly they have to believe in tabula rasa.
If tabula rasa isn't true then everything falls appart so they cannot accept anything that goes against it, now tabula rasa is thoroughly debunked but that apparently doesn't matter.

>>542271592

Ok so if your argument is "genetical component is a contributing factor for a predisposition to likelyhood of behaviors of people who share those genes" then sure but I never met a leftist person who would disagree with that. They object to a direct causal link between genes and behavior across entire races of people and a presumption that people who share genes for skin color etc. necesarilly share hypothetical genes that increase likelyhood of violent crime or whatever. Even if there is a "gene that causes rape" it's clear that even within "white race" some people would have it and others wouldn't making racial argument, again, moot