We just want to cut taxes on the working class and raise it on corporations. Not only would higher corporate tax result in a one time devaluation of equity securities due to lower expected future payouts, but they’d be cheaper for the working class to buy up with their higher after tax income. Working people could finally own the means of production as they use their new increase in income to buy ETFs, buy real estate securities, and become players in the system
>>542275117>white people bad and must be punished>institute DEI, take from whites, give to niggers, spics, etc.>reparations, job quotas, university admission quotas are all good and we need more of it>heterosexuals evil>need to promote faggotry and discourage being normal>men bad>need to remove all accountability from women and give everything to them>families are troublesome because they promote values which may not align with those of the state>need to promote sexual degeneracy, divorce, single motherhood, etc.>children must be groomed into transgenderism>public education must be wielded as a weapon to propagandize and indoctrinate impressionable young children into our ideology>personal ownership of property bad>we need to make it so people can't have things which are exclusively theirs>success and access to capital bad>no borders! We need to import as many non-white immigrants as possible>no police, courts, prisons, rule of law (unless we can wield those things specifically against evil white men)>expand the vote! We need literally every fucking uninformed imbecile who is susceptible to propaganda and demagoguery to wash out the votes of informed and sane people!>3rd and 4th wave radical feminism must be pushed into all young women's brains! They CANNOT be allowed to become wives and mothers, or submit to men>disarm the "wrong" kinds of Americans, so we can more easily send them off to the gulag if they don't feel like complying!I can't think of any reasons anyone would find you objectionable!
>>542277011Nothing here is inherent to democratic socialism. You are confusing woke social beliefs for economic beliefs.
>>542275117>We just want healthcareYou need to be hunted down and gutted
Imagine being a gay loser that worships Elon Musk. How cringe can you get?
>>542277397Well commie? Explain?
>>542277397At that time I was still naive enough to try to make clear to them the madness of their ideas; in my small circle I talked until my tongue was weary and till my throat was hoarse, and I thought I could succeed in convincing them of the destructiveness of their Marxist doctrine of irrationality; but the result was contrary. It seemed as though the increasing realization of the destructive influence of Social Democratic theories would serve only to strengthen their determination.The more I argued with them, the more I got to know their dialectics. First they counted on the ignorance of their adversary; then, when there was no way out, they themselves pretended stupidity. If all this was of no avail, they refused to understand or they changed the subject when driven into a corner; they brought up truisms, but they immediately transferred their acceptance to quite different subjects, and, if attacked again, they gave way and pretended to know nothing exactly. [We are here in this conversation]Wherever one attacked one of these prophets, one's hands seized slimy jelly; it slipped through one's fingers only to collect again in the next moment. If one smote one of them so thoroughly that, with the bystanders watching, he could but agree, and if one thus thought he had advanced at least one step, one was greatly astonished the following day. The Jew did not in the least remember the day before, he continued to talk in the same old strain as if nothing had happened, and if indignantly confronted, he pretended to be astonished and could not remember anything except that his assertionshad already been proved true the day before. Often I was stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to admire more: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity in lying.Gradually, I began to hate them.
>>542275117Democrats have never once took taxes from the rich they always take it from the working class hard labour white male proletariaar to give it to women and shitskins petty bourg faggots who produce no labour
What's wrong with you is that you're morons. Good luck with that, retard.
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There is nothing wrong with social democrats no one can live in globalist capitalism for longYuros found their limit on globalist capitalist migration, (they go there cause they want your money) the third world found their limit on globalist capitalist pollution
>>542277011FPBP>>542277397>>542277547Woke 2.0 is a Trojan horse to use economics (taxes, gibs, vote-buying) to achieve the social goals of Woke 1.0. >Inb4 what, do you love billionaires?No, but I don't trust the left at all, for the reason in the first post.OP could restore one molecule of the mountain of lost trust by showing his flag, but he won't.
>>542275117You're delusional and think taking away others property, money, fruits of their labor is being a "good: person. Plus power hungry lunatics use it as a road map to becoming a genocidal dictator. As shitty as capitalism is, at keast I can decide what jobs im willing to do and to a certain degree, what wages ill accept as compensation. And I have legal protections keeping the government from outsiggt stripping my land without compensation and legal avenues to fight it.Listen, I genuinely respect your desire to help everyone have basic necessities. It just inevitably turns out worse for everyone in the long run. And before you bring up the Scandinavian model, that works to a certain degree with a culturally homogeneous, high trust society. But we've all seen how quickly that started crumbling when suicidal empathy filled left wing white chicks guilt tripped everyone into letting violent 3rd worlders with vastly different cultural values flood into Scandinavia.
>>542275117>>542277011You came to a dunning Kruger board and expected an honest intellectual debate? I was a right winger until x2 Trump terms made me realize voting republican only gives more to the rich and less to the “middle class” even tho the middle class hasn’t existed since 1989. You DSA faggots converted me and I’ll never vote republican as long as I live ever again. Yes we need to tax corpo like 95% of their earning otherwise they will bribe our corrupt politicians for endless govement contracts and tax cuts. Anyone with a networth less than 300 million voting republican is simply a fool
>>542275117Take your communism somewhere else.
>>542279940You know boomers practice communism right? Social security is quite literally boomer distributing your labor to themselves. You already live under communism you dumb faggot
>>542275117Mellow out on a few things>cut out the anti White rethoric. Say "bourgeois" when you think "White" like, you know, the entire Left used to do for its first 150 years.>just say that there should be some limits on immigration, that's what you are going to do anyway>recognize embryos as Human Beings and at least shed some crocodile tears while defending abortion, like a least evil solution>have a real public safety campaign policy, sacrifice a few career criminal niggers so that you can keep pandering to the rest of your black babies
>>542277468(((You))) want to kill them for not wanting to be Israel's cannon fodder bitch?
>>542275117Because your actual proposals are "taxing people to their white meat"
>>542275117>what's wrong with democratic socialistsCUTENESS AGGRESSION from under developed amygdalas.for a democratic socialist, their brain goes into rage (rape) mode when they see "cute", like many jews and non-Whites, so they destroy beauty and promote aesthetic abomination.
>>542280457YepTry this social democrat tricks to summon the murderous rage of polturdsWar on eastern europe is white genocideEurope shouldn't outsource their production to chinaAnd of course green energy make you less dependant on russian gas
>>542279250Scandinavian countries use capitalism to fund their social programs.Communist purposely conflate socialism with social programs to confuse people. (like equity with equality)Socialism is communism.
>>542275117Lol you niggers folded like laundry when tariffs raised taxes on corporations importing goods. Tax increases are dead because you niggers are soft
>>542280016>you know [group you hate] already takes your money right? What's wrong with taking more so [other groups you hate] can get in on the action?Retard
>>542280537You already get taxed 37% kek sometimes I think republican supports have the combined iq of a walnut
>>542280858No you’re moving goal posts. You said you ain’t no heckin stinkin communist but you already let the boomers tax you and redistribute your labor back to themselves so it appears as tho you do not mind communism afterall
>>542280938Social programs are not communism you retard.
>>542278384Kek democrats aren’t socialists their capitalists so that would make sense you low iq dumb fucking nigger
>>542281127>social programs aren’t socialism when it’s only boomers Kek you went and asked gpt didn’t you? Fucking low iq faggot
>>542281127For ages socialists created maintained and reviewed those programs all around the world knowing really well those programs were socialism
>>542281209Real socialism (in the Marxist sense) means:abolishing private ownership of the means of productioncentral planningworker control of industryeliminating profit as the organizing principleThat’s complicated, controversial, and politically toxic.So activists collapse the categories:“Social democracy = socialism = Scandinavian model.”It’s not accurate, but it’s persuasive.
>>542281127Boomers are telling you not to be a socialist while they very much vote socialism for themselves. Boomers are already voting to get rid of property taxes for themselves but not for you. Oh woah another socialist policy for them but capitalism for you that’s why I’m not right wing anymore you’re all too fucking dumb leftists are far superior intellectually
>>542275117You are color blind.
>>542281365If someone says “socialist,” critics bring up:USSRMaoist ChinaCubaVenezuelaEastern BlocKhmer RougeSo activists pivot:“No no, not that socialism — Scandinavian socialism!”Even though Scandinavia is capitalist, the label helps them escape historical baggage.
>>542280548What are you even trying to say? DSA is bad because they don't rape kids like Trump
>>542281433Socialists claim they’re “just Scandinavian” because:Scandinavian branding is safe and positiveIt hides the radical parts of socialismIt avoids historical failures associated with communismIt makes their ideas sound modern and successfulIt’s a rhetorical shortcut, not an economic truthIt’s camouflage — a political marketing strategy.
>>542281127>Social programs aren't socialism
>>542281483>>542281408>>542281343Oh you are a bit nevermind
>>542281485Socialism is communism.Socialism is a political and economic system advocating social ownership and democratic control of the means of production to promote equality and social welfare.Definition and Core PrinciplesSocialism is characterized by social ownership of the means of production, which can take the form of public, collective, cooperative, or employee ownership, and emphasizes workers’ self-management and democratic control over economic resources WikipediaWikipedia+1. Unlike capitalism, which relies on private ownership and market competition, socialism seeks to reduce inequality and ensure that production and wealth benefit society as a whole HISTORY
>>542280938What goal post? I simply pointed out people upset with the current failing social programs in America aren't lining up to add every poor nigger to the account because commies are retarded. Your argument has always been "you're already getting raped so whats the problem with running a train?" because you useful idiots never learn.
>>542281408>>542281343You get all those outcomes with complete corporate takeover in capitalism anyway. Private property remains but all the land is bought and rented so did private property even matter? Bcuz you won’t own it. Corporations will then bribe all the politicans and steal all the public land and privatize all industry. You get the same outcomes anwyay dumb fuck. The right loves the rich so much it’s disgusting you are a faggot I hope you don’t mind when bezos throat fucks your girlfriend like a feudal lord for $1000 in the collapse
>>542275117Socialism is ass and I don't care what lies you tell me. Go struggle session a whole book up your ass
>>542281615Commie, show me one country where socialism worked.BOOM!This is why everyone starves under socialism.
>>542281615Is not about the outcome, the unavoidable post scarcity, but about the journey
>>542281611If you have a net worth less than 300 million you’re a literal pleb in a system hostile to you. Yet you defend it cuz you’re just plain dumb. You’ll lose your job to ai capitalism soon anyway and you’ll be begging for scraps fromCorpo kek
>>542277468This is literally illegal in America. These people can legally have their doors kicked in and be dragged before tribunal for being filthy commies. Only our leaders are too pussy to do it.
>>542281701Whatever that means. You have no real argument for what I said bcuz ur just dumb
>>542275117Poor people are just lazy and stupid. People who are richer than you are better, smarter, and harder working.-Capitalism
>>542277011It appears the kool-aid is green text flavor today.
>>542281685Kek you think the communist countries failed because of communist socialist policies? Thats why you’re so low iq because those nations failed bcuz the western banking system is capitalist and sanctioned these countries to hell for attempting to divert from the current system. This is what lead to most mass starvation, western sanctions. Because if you do not play ball with the 500 year old Anglo banking system they make sure you starve. It has nothing to do with socialist policy. Turns out socialist policy is working well for the boomers in USA as they recieve 46% of their annual income via taxing you every month in social security payments and enjoy free medical care that you also pay for. Wow that sounds nice haha keep working faggot maybe you’ll afford insurance one day hahah
>>542281685>I ain’t no heckin stinkin communist just give me your labor for nothing Hahaha
White people hereUntil they fix the depreciating currency, everyone can go fuck themselves. 40 trillion in debt to who? Fuck off. I'm not working again until my efforts are no longer devalued under a scam economy. Everyone can fucking starve for all I care anymore. Good fucking luck assholes. I'm gonna steal food until you lock me up. I'm not a junkie, a druggie or anything of the like. I'm a pissed off citizen. Fuck your social ideas, all of them. I can't wait till I can break your fucking jaw.Crash the system and offer this. These tired old tropes. And these dumbass goy.
>>542275117>picI've been searching for this nigger for a meme for a very long time. I'm annoyed that I had to be reminded of him via /pol/ but it is what it is.
>>542281912>Hand waivingYeah that's the total sum of your counter arguments but your beliefs are totally true!!!
>>542275117You need to learn the difference between a tax rate and an effective tax rate. For example, my tax rate is around 24%, but after deductions and credits, my effective tax rate is around 6-8%. It's not the tax rate that needs to be changed, it's the deductions the large corporations qualify for. Simply raising the tax rate will only hurt small-medium size businesses that don't qualify for those deductions or can't take advantage of them.
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>>542282470Listen faggot you don’t live in a Democrat you live in a state corporate cartel. Capitalism without anti monopoly laws just leads to the creation of a corporate cartel who bribes politicians for favorable policy. You cannot change a fucking thing now without a hard revolution. Top 5 corporations have captured the state now and there’s no getting them out of there. You are big fucked now faggot. Turns out the one who gets the most capital first can then rig the entire system in their favor. IE; Rockefeller and standard oil. There’s a reason why all human innovation stopped at big oil and it ain’t a accident faggot
>>542277011fpbp and ttd
>>542282672I’d rather have trans rights than endless wars in the Middle East for capitalist imperial interests dumb faggot we should put you on the frontline in Ukraine for your love of capital
>>542275117More extensive redistributive programs undermine incentives to invest, and lower investment leads to slower economic growth (this is the logic behind, among others, the Alesina–Rodrik model).A bureaucrat does not risk his own capital, so his incentives for efficiency are lower than those of a private entrepreneur. Moreover, experience shows that confiscatory taxation of high-income groups only further fuels demand for lobbyists and lawyers, for finding all sorts of legal loopholes, etc., that is, it further activates rent‑seeking behavior.But if we reduce taxes to a minimum, we make the state institutionally weak. Historically successful antitrust campaigns (the U.S. against Standard Oil, the breakup of AT&T) required huge budgetary expenditures on the judicial system and regulators. A weak state cannot defeat big business. It either becomes its puppet (as in Russia in the 1990s) or simply cedes the market to cartels.
>>542282973Correct and that’s exactly what we’re seeing right now in USA. Elon musk is a good example of this. He created an incentive loop for politicians to continue to give him gov contracts for payouts. Literal socialism for the rich via public money
>>542282847Ending aid to (((Israel))) and (((Zelensky))) is just a broken clock being right twice per day, and you will never be a real woman.
>>542282973Btw Rockefeller had already completely broken the system by the time anti monopoly laws were enforced. He had aquired so much more than the average person could ever make that he could afford to bribe any state official for anything he wanted to do. And that’s why we have Rockefeller medicine still being practiced today. It’s been game over since 1890. What a great system the people who are born later literally cannot participate lmao
>>542283329>I parrot meaningless slogans rich people put in my head
>>542283329If you want to end aid to Israel and Ukraine then you wouldn’t take a pro capitalist positioning. Israel isn’t a Jewish state you fucking moron. In order for capitalists to avoid western regulation and pay off politicians they needed a new state. Israel is used by capitalists to steal public funds. As a politician you can’t just dip your hand in the treasury so what you do is create a state. You give aid to Israel who then turns around and recycles that capital back to western politicians completely legally. And it also leads to insider big business bcuz some of that capital is used to create industry in Israel that the political class gets to invest in and own shares in making them even more rich embezzling public funds. They use the “Jewish state” as a cover bcuz who the fuck is going to want to live in the Middle East? You need fanatics and religion is the perfect vehicle for fanatics. You’ve been played by capitalism. Go study more
>>542283329They have no plans to end that aid - they answer to the Epstein class and aren't even trying to hide it. In fact, they're only doing the DSA stuff to split the vote and hand Republicans the midterms and the presidency.
>>542283785Because why would the political class want to ruin a perfectly quid pro quo? They have a financial incentive to keep giving aid to Israel because that aid money gets recycled back into the politicans for their campaigns and payoff etc
>>542277468Pay for your own healthcare lazy ass
>>542277528Lmao loser>>542282973Cutting taxes on people incentivizes work
>>542275117Because by working class you mean brown muslims
>>542285028The US isn't even 3 percent Muslim. At least blame Mexicans you won't instantly out yourself
>>542277397>You are confusingyes, you are.
>>542285028Boomers are so retarded they have ptsd about Muslims from 20 years ago. If someone mentions Muslims they are mostly likely a retard Christian boomer
>>542281685>nothing ever changes because technology and progress is impossiblethe average rightoid actually believes this
