More damage has been done to White race from Christianity than any other framework.>Made millions of bright young men waste their youth studying Jewish "theology" which is just useless inventions to fill the holes in their useless made up fairy tales>Forced millions of bright young men throughout History become celibate, depressing white population and intelligent people from becoming parents, making their genetic line perish>Made millions of bright people believe your white neighbor is same as the invader from Africa as long as he worships same dead jew on a stick.Tell me why i shouldnt hate this religion? If i wanted to destroy White race, i wouldnt do anything different than forcing its bright young men to waste their youth studying jewish fairy tales and forcing them to go celibate, ending their genetic line forever.
>>542280587Clean pic
>>542280587That "invader from Africa" has good morals since he has faith in God, he behaves better than your white neighbor who is selfish and lives sinfully, you stupid racist. When society collapses, that Black man will not doubt for a second to help you, he lives with good morals, while the white atheist will kill you because why not? Society collapsed! No morals and God doesn't exist yippee science!!!
>>542280589>That "invader from Africa" has good morals since he has faith in God, he behaves better than your white neighbor who is selfish and lives sinfully,prime example of an brainwashed christkuck
>>542280587Modern race-blind Christianity which advises the worship of the jew devil is suicide for anyone who partakes of that poison.
>>542280587If white race was not christian they would be conquered by Arabs, Africans, Turks, Iranians, long time ago, Christianity saved white people from being idiots
>>542280592>If white race was not christian they would be conquered by Arabs, Africans, Turks, Iranians, long time ago,Without Christ kuckery, Islam wouldnt have existed so Arabs would still have been pagan and never been united. As for Africans, they integrated with rest of the World when the white man went Colonializing just to spread Christianity.Your arguments are so low IQ they could be deboonked within seconds.
>>542280593Atilla the Hun would conquer from one side, and win because Pope Leo would not exist to stop him, Arabs would conquer from other side and win because catholic Spaniards would not do reconquista and would just adopt Islam, Asians, Mongolians and Turks would come later, none of them could be stopped without Christianity, the only reason Europeans survived was because church motivated men to defend their only true religion, I would say because God helped them but you don't believe that that's why I mentioned other reason
>>542280594>Spaniards would not do reconquista and would just adopt IslamIslam wouldnt have existed without Christianity. Also for centuries Greece and other civilizations maintained Independence without Christcuckery.This is like saying Sparta would have lost to Persians without Christcuckery, total baloney. You are not arguing with brain dead people like the folks in your cult.For centuries European Pagans maintained their own culture against Asia and all other invaders.
>>542280595But the post is about white race not Christianity in itself, when you say Islam would not exist without Christianity you are probably right, but Christianity existed outside of Europe, and that's where Muhammad probably took his inspiration, from Syrian and Arab and Jewish Christians probably, so Islam would still exist even if Europeans or white race was not christian. And when you say European pagans maintained their own culture against Asia and all other invaders, what do you mean? Which major power ever tried to invade Europe before like 500 or 400 ad?
>>542280594>because catholic Spaniards would not do reconquista But the Visigoths were also catholic and they are the ones who were defeated to begin with. Invoking the reconquista is nonsensical.
>>542280596The Arabs were being psyoped by the byzantines to fight against the Persians. Islam would not exist at all without this specific dynamic in place.
>>542280597Pagan religions in all sorts are very weak religions with no logic, since Islam copied Christianity in some way they also applied some logic to their religion, and Spaniards would just adopt Islam just like Iranians and Turks did, and no reconquista would happen, reconquista was driven by Christianity to take back the lands from Muslim invaders
>>542280587Turned people with intellectual potential into Eunuch monks and priests who would not pass their genes on
>>542280600Castration is banned in both catholic and orthodox denominations since 300s nicea council, no castrated person can become priest or anything, stop spreading misinformation. The only person who did it was Origen, and it's not even confirmed to be true, it's doubtful, most modern historians doubt it, and Origen is considered heretic by both catholic and orthodox
>>542280599No, that's not what logic is. Why are you ignoring my point and repeating the same thing after I told you that the Visigoths were also Christians? If Christians are responsible for the victory of the reconquista then they are also responsible for the defeat that led to it to begin with.
>>542280601Celibacy is no different from castration>and Origen is considered heretic by both catholic and orthodoxIronic since Christians still cite Contra Celsum as a valid defense of Christianity despite all of it's arguments being heretical
>>542280602How are they responsible for the defeat? They would be defeated either way because Arabic military was stronger during that time. Napoleon made a good point once that as a christian I approve, someone asked who's said is God, and Napoleon answered God is on the side of the heaviest cannon
I don't agree with that quote entirely but I understand that as we should prepare and not sit and say we will win because God is on our side
>>542280587so are you assuming we should convert Islam you ingrate faleva monkey?
>>542280603>Ironic since Christians still cite Contra Celsum as a valid defense of Christianity despite all of it's arguments being hereticalI've heard some of his arguments are considered heretical. Like the universal salvation or the trinity having a hierarchy. Don't know the details though. How do the modern Christians answer to Celsus? If you don't mind, explain further, please.
>>542280607>>542280603Some of Origen's teachings and his doubtful action(castration) are considered heretical, but many of his teachings are also considered good and respected by catholic church especially but also orthodox church in some degree, however some orthodox people have some kind of hatred towards Origen, Origen is respected as church father, not a canonized saint but church fathers who's teachings are important and useful
>>542280594Hannibal was probably better than any muslim commander Europe faced, still crushed
>>542280608Thanks for the answer, but it wasn't my question.>Celsus wrote a critical book on Christianity.>Origen answered each argument. >Some of Origen's ideas became heretical.>Which means some of Celsus' arguments aren't answered by the official non-heretical Church (be it Catholic or Orthodox). Or are they?Basically, I'd like to know if there are such non-answered Celsus' arguments.
>>542280594The pope leo shit is a myth, it was disease in his army and maybe attack on the huns' panonian baseA non christian roman empire would not allow the huns to ravage unchecked.
Sage & report
>>542280610Most of Origen's contra celsum is true and there is no heresy in his answers against Celsus, Celsus's arguments were based on fake made up things, it was just like early propaganda
>>542280587It's also telling that white women (white races worst enemy) always were among the first to advocate for being christcucked.
Just in case, here's AI's answer. I apologize for that, but the topic is interesting.>Why are people born into radically different circumstances?Celsus: If God is perfectly just, why is one person born healthy and wealthy while another is born diseased, poor, or into terrible circumstances? Doesn't this suggest that God's distribution of fortune is arbitrary or unjust?Origen: Rational souls existed before their earthly lives. Their different conditions can therefore be understood in connection with their previous spiritual history. This helps explain why souls enter the world in radically different circumstances without making God unjust.Modern Catholic/Orthodox Church: Human souls do not pre-exist their earthly lives. Each human person is created by God for this life. Differences in earthly circumstances are not punishments or rewards for a previous existence. The problem of apparently unequal circumstances therefore has to be addressed through providence, free will, the fallen world, and the ultimate restoration of justice—not through pre-existence.>Why doesn't God ultimately save everyone?Celsus: If God is perfectly good and omnipotent, why would He allow rational creatures to remain eternally separated from Him? Wouldn't God's goodness ultimately overcome every creature's rebellion?Origen: Origen developed apokatastasis, the idea of the eventual restoration of all rational creatures to God. Punishment is ultimately medicinal and purifying; God's corrective action eventually brings every rational creature back to the good.Modern Catholic/Orthodox Church: This is not accepted as doctrine. Catholicism teaches that eternal separation from God is possible, and Orthodoxy likewise does not teach Origen's universal-restoration scheme. God's desire to save all does not mean that every creature necessarily ends in communion with Him.
>>542280615>What exactly happens to the body at the Resurrection?Celsus: Bodies decay and their matter gets scattered and incorporated into other things. How can God restore the same body? If someone eats another person's body, whose flesh belongs to whom at the Resurrection?Origen: The resurrected person does not need to receive exactly the same collection of physical particles. There is a deeper principle of bodily identity that God preserves while the body is transformed into a radically different, spiritual condition.Modern Catholic/Orthodox Church: The basic distinction is retained—resurrection does not require every original atom to be recovered. But orthodox Christianity insists more strongly that the resurrection is genuinely bodily. Origen's more speculative descriptions of an increasingly spiritualized body go beyond what the Church teaches.So Celsus' physical objection remains relevant, but Origen's particular anthropology isn't simply inherited.>Was creation always happening?Celsus: If God is eternally God and eternally active, why would He suddenly begin creating? What was God doing before creation?Origen: Origen's cosmology doesn't fit neatly into the later doctrine of a single creation beginning at one moment. He conceived of God's creative activity in a much more complex way, involving successive ages/worlds and a continuing divine relationship with rational creatures.Modern Catholic/Orthodox Church: Creation itself is not eternal. God alone is eternal; the created order has a genuine beginning and is radically dependent upon God. There aren't an infinite succession of previous worlds populated by pre-existing rational souls.This is one of the major places where Origen's speculative cosmology was superseded.
>>542280616>Why are there so many competing religions—and even competing Christian sects?Celsus: If the true God really revealed Himself to humanity, why do we find Jews, Christians, Greeks, Egyptians, Persians, and many other religious traditions? And even Christianity itself is divided into competing groups claiming to possess the truth. Why would divine revelation produce this confusion?Origen: Origen distinguishes the true Church from heretical groups. The existence of disagreement doesn't disprove the truth of Christianity. He also argues that other traditions contain fragments of truth, while Christianity possesses the fullness of truth revealed through Christ.Modern Catholic/Orthodox Church: The basic answer remains: Christ is the fullness of revelation, while other religions can contain genuine elements of truth. The Church's apostolic Tradition, Scripture, councils and creeds preserve that revelation.But there is an important difference: neither Catholicism nor Orthodoxy can simply make Celsus' epistemological problem disappear. Catholic and Orthodox Christians themselves disagree over certain questions of authority, and the existence of religious diversity remains a genuine philosophical problem. The Church provides an answer to it, but not a universally compelling proof.
>>542280604Lol so Christianity takes credit for the victory but not for the defeat even though they were Christian before and after the Reconquista? How does that even make any sense in your mind?If you're going to say Christianity was responsible for the win then it was also responsible for the loss.
>>542280587>Antagonizing people while still being a total anti-social mong on 4chan.What do you get out of this?
>>542280618It's very unlikely but maybe military victory could be achieved without Christianity, but it's unlikely that they would keep their pagan religion, they would convert to Islam, the reason Europeans rejected Islam is because Christianity
>>542280620>but it's unlikely that they would keep their pagan religion, they would convert to IslamMany counter examples to that
what shithole did this thread come from?
>>542280587Cring is King.Man-worship is le best.
