>Without an end to the Iran War, we are on track to see the 10Y Note Yield above 5.00% by next week.Haha, all potential buyers of U.S. Treasuries realize that the U.S. can no longer pay its debts.So they’ve simply walked away, waiting for the U.S. government to get into trouble.>All of this is because the United States lost the Iran War
What the fuck does these numbers mean? Our economy is doing better or worse?
>>542285924Dollar's only guarantee have been superior military.....which muricans don't have anymore. Bye-bye dollar....I wonder what they trying to sell next?
>>542286028>What the fuck does these numbers mean?Simply put, no one is willing to lend money to the U.S. government anymore.You keep using your credit cards to pay off your debts until you can no longer apply for a new credit card.Then you go bankrupt.
I actually hope for a crash. It will be painful in the short term, but a devalued currency will require the dumping of worthless Federal Reserve notes to an actual form of currency with real value. With no currency to buy anything abroad, Americans will also be forced to restart industries from scratch, just the way Russia had to after the Soviet collapse. It'll be 10-15 years of shit, followed by a return to normal. Oh, and Israel will be destroyed.
>>542286203>I wonder what they trying to sell next?StablecoinsIf you buy $10 billion in U.S. Treasury bonds, you can issue $10 billion in stablecoins at a 1:1 exchange ratio.These stablecoins can be used just like U.S. dollars.You can now legally issue private currency.President Trump has essentially sold the United States to banks and private companies.
>>542285924Iran? You mean America. It's all called America now. Every ocean is The American Ocean. Every continent and country is America. The EU is the American Union. The UN is the American Nations. The universe, galaxies, sun, planets, moons are all called America.Everythin. Is. America.Except Trump, he's an asshole.
After the outbreak of the U.S.-Iran war, yields on China's 10-year government bonds actually fell.lol
>>542286028By buying bonds, you invest in a country. People buy bonds because they're considered safe. If people refuse to buy them because there are certain... uncertainties about the future of a country, interest on bonds is raised to get people to buy them again. The profit people can make compensates for the chance that the bond loses its value. The higher the interest that's needed to get people to buy bonds, the bigger the expected pile of shit that's about to hit the fan.
>>542286028It's the interest of your government's debt. If it goes up it's bad
>>542286374What if everyone just used bitcoin instead and nobody controlled the world reserve currency.Solves the triffin dilemma, the cantillon effect, and makes everything cheaper.Can't print it so retards lose their power to steal from everyone else.
>>542285924The (((rug pull))) will be Epic.
>>542285924
>>542286247>It'll be 10-15 years of shit>MFW after enduring the previous 10-15 years of shit
>>542285924Oh no if mortgage rates rise then property prices might actually become affordable again. Won't someone please think of the bankers?
>>542287917No one born after 1989 has known a good economy in America their entire adult lives.
>>542288105I have said for a long time that BlackRock et al. sitting on their dragon's hoard of single-family homes is not a "you will own nothing" thing because rentals are a dogshit source of income when you factor in that homes are not really a durable good on a long timescalewhat would be even funnier and the biggest "fuck you" to make everyone poor is if interest rates go up high enough that holding cash is advantageous again and the corps put their ~10% share of single-family homes on the market all at once as a bolus and undercut whatever the going rate is by 10-15% so they move quickly, then using that cash to buy other distressed assets.doing that would immediately torpedo a third of all homeowners and put a shitton of people undewater, also perma-fucking anyone dumb enough to take equity loans>>542286028no one wants to call it YCC but it's panic YCC because QE doesn't work anymorethe incredible irony of all of this is that despite the Fed's desperate attempts to actually stabilize this shitshow, Trump has perma-fucked the US financial situation. My money was always on the Fed fucking us.
>>542286028>Our economy is doing better or worse?It's interest rate on your debt. To pay it you borrow more and it gets even more expensive and you have to borrow even more to pay that . Zimbabwe maxxing at it's finest.
>>542286028It means the good times are over, Burgerbro. It also means you better not have any fucking debt, otherwise you're gonna get rekt
>>542286247>Americans will also be forced to restart industries from scratch, just the way Russia had to after the Soviet collapsethat's not what happened after the soviet collapsesoft oligarchs just became hard oligarchs and most russians remember the USSR fondlynot the Pact states, though, they fucking hate the russians>>542285924>ugly hag blows a video game journalist so that her shitty Winx knockoff game gets kind of okay reviews>fifteen years later the global economy collapses and oil shocks happen because of this
Will someone do that sell collective security for personal gain?
>>542286028The entire global system is based on debt. Not only that, but the 21s century world economic system has now eighty years after Bretton Woods 1944 now become default dependent on 1 single global reserve denomination: UST / USDSee:1. >>5422869552. >>542287602
>>542288252hey, i was born in 1989 lol
>>542288657>Hungary flag(You) are going down when the global UST-default reserve debt market implodes; all 160 nations worldwide are.The entire global system is founded and constructed on debt no nation will escape or is immune, no one is spesh-shul
>>542288756instead of cross linking three different threads, there's a very succinct way of describing what's happening and why:It's just capitalists practicing keynesianismwhich works about as well as hardcore communists practicing free-market austrian economics
>>542288684>Chinese fund a feminist coup in the entertainment industry>It diesI don't think the Chinese are letting on how fucked they are too
>>542285924>Trump singlehandedly destroys America Slow clap.
>>542285924the framing is the wrong way, the US treasury is fighting its own bonds
>>542289016you know we're fucked when the treasury secretary, whose mentor coined the phrase "let the bond market speak and silence it at your own risk," is implementing YCC to fight the bond market
>>542285924401K are giga-fucked for next 20 years. (ope you werent planning to retire - ever)- technical term is "Financial Repression"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdzeK1DWl8> "Trump's Plan Is Far WORSE Than a Recession (Few Are Ready)"
>>542286374My question is who the fuck is going to invest in stable coins after everyone determines the things backing those stable coins are unreliable garbage? Where is the use case besides rugpulling the American people who are coerced into using them, when China is backing their currency with gold?
>>542288927>brainlet derp(You) have Zero idea what you're posting about or this topic.The post-1970s global economy is Financialized. All wealth in the 21st century is sourced, generated from (no, not 'capital' 'work' or 'labor') *speculative debt instruments*.>capitalistCapitalism died and went to heaven permanently in 2008. After that, all HNW entities, sovereign governments, hedge funds, transnational corporations are totally dependent on infinite supplies of debt note fiat currency QE from central banks all the time 24-7-365, in order to keep their operations and the global debt-based economy overall from instantaneous implosion.Whatever this is rn 2009—2026 isn't 'capitalism'
>>542289090Back in 1992 he was on the other side of that trade, working for Soros.
>>542286028Economic growth > T note yield = goodEconomic growth < T note yield = not so good
>>542289142nobody is going to invest in stable coins as an alternative to gold or silver. this is just another rugpull by the trump admin who famously do crypto rugpulls. king migger and friends are just looting the country before they abandon it
>>542286028It means - prepare your anus.
>>542289016>>542289090The global debt market is imploding.(None of this is solely exclusively only narrowly about the U.S. / its solvency alone)Other thread >>542285492
Quickly reminder that the debt is 111k USD per citizen.Think about that for a second
>>542289196debt is inverse hypothecated capital, dumbassthe same way that the inverse of an asset is a liabilitythey realized that by exploiting the keynesian broken window paradox of usury, they could produce infinity capital via debt creation as long as they maintained the facade of productivity, which is what MMT iscapitalism isn't an economic system, it's a theory of value. what most people think is capitalism is just Smithian economic theory with a free market austrian tintcorporations aren't dependent on the debt instruments, they're exploiting them. Corporations are perfectly capable of operating in a non-usurous environment and will exist long after our government dies.
>>542289133pensions investments (by law) have to include some STABLE stocks.- bad news is these Stable Stocks tend to be 'govt' bonds' (the exact bond that are about to tank.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTvtaZPEjE>"Bessent JUST *FAILED* a *New* MULTI-BILLION Dollar Bailout."
>>542289482What's the debt per citizen and illegal?
>>542289260So why the fuck do I keep seeing people stating what the plan is without explaining why its fucking feasible in the first place? Its not just here that I see people talking about the stable coin plan, when I ask why I should give a shit because it looks like its going to fall flat on its face, they seem to never respond to the part two of the master plan. All I can assume is that the Trump Admin is going to just take all the sold US treasuries and use the stablecoin as a inflation sink to protect local markets from hyper inflation, and then rugpull themselves into a default on all that debt.
>>542285924This is peak for accelerationists.
>>542285924End to the Iran War?
>>542289577>STABLE stocksno one actually fixed anything from 2008 so you still have high risk securities rated as safe and asset-backed instruments everywhere, contaminating just about everythingit's actually kind of hilarious how the US just printed its way out of 2008 and 2019 while fixing absolutely nothing, and a large portion of the population believes for some reason that the subprime crisis isn't going to just repeat itself much bigger
>>542289702Scott Bessent has a degree in political science and worked for Soros. Quite certain if a solution is even possible, it won't come from that faggot.
>>542286028It means you must buy gold and ammo for real this time.
>>542289303>The global debt market is imploding.yup a lot of stocks about to implode are NASDAQ 100.- This means you *can't avoid* these stocks.the world is giga-fucked.but a special GOATSE treatment for countries still holding US-debt (looks at japan)- japan ditched 66bn recently- china hasn't bought usd since 2013 (12 years of backpeddaling)- netherlands and france have clawed back gold from fortknox this year,
>>542289663>without explaining why its fucking feasible in the first place?it's notmost of the people in charge are disproportionately amoral sociopaths, which is very easy to confuse with being disproportionately intelligentTrump, and the Fed printed over $16T in 2019 as part of the CARES act, knowing that by dumping that liquidity into catching the falling knife, the inflation from it wouldn't show up until at the very soonest 2023. Losing the election fucked up his plan and now he's dealing with his own shitshow that he started 7 years ago where he has:>high bond yields>zero percent reserve requirements>fed tapped out on QE>low LFPR and high unemployment>inflation realistically nearing 12-20% by more honest CPI calculations>an active war>drawdown of the SPR100% of people under the age of 40 are just waiting for the US to die, no one gives a shit about it anymore, so you're running into a lack of consent of the governed situation where they could absolutely try the stablecoin gambit, but no one believes that it'll last longer than a few years without collapsing.
>>542289652Still hovering somewhere above 100,000. Illegals don’t make up that much of the population.
>>542285924I'm starting to think this is intentional and Bessent is buying his buttbuddy's bags.after Soros buck broke England, everyone should know these pitiful attempts of fighting reality don't work, unless you know this and are using the government's money to enrich yourself, directly or otherwise.
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>>542289564 <---5 pbtid brainletard derp>debt is inverse hypothecated capital*Wrong.* Money = Debt(You) comprehend and understand Nothing about these topics at all whatsoever. First step for all anons is to comprehend and understand what money is, how it is created.As stated >>542289196 the post-1970s global economy is Financialized, all wealth today is created from speculative debt instruments that never existed prior to the 1980s. 1999 repeal of Glass-Steagall was the official completion of Phase 1 of Financialization of the global economy: the investment banks became casinos.Money is created *as debt*.Entire global economy in 21st century is nothing more than a gigantic interleveraged debt and debt-instrument casino.To understand, all anons need to watch and learn from these two films (plenty of references therein for further study):The Money Delugehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs97% Owned — How is money createdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."— Nick Dearden, quoted in '97% Owned'
>>542289663I mean, nigga, we just has Musk launch SpaceX and the only people promoting that stock were obvious paid shills. Most of which were brown. Probably a decent amount of the same shit here.
>>542288105>thinks sale price will go down because debt becomes more unaffordable.lol, lmao.
It's okay, we will just work for free
Problem solved.
>>542290219>Money = Debtno, the *creation* of money is debt because you are hypothecating future capital by creating additional moneynot all money is debt, the money supply doesn't consist of just the balance of paymentsby creating money, you are hypothecating assets or work that does not exist yetif those assets or work are not created, inflation happens because there is now more money available for the same quantity of assets or workthe debt component of money stems from the fact that the creation of money is fundamentally disadvantageous for banks because fiat currency is used to purchase real assets and perform work, so if you issue a currency without debt, you're unbalancing the financial system in a way that doesn't benefit anyone>all wealth today is created from speculative debt instruments that never existed prior to the 1980syou're retardedfractional reserve banking has been around forever, and its current incarnation has existed since the end of the great depressionthis has been something over a century in the making because fractional reserve banking enables banks to create money out of thin airWhy, exactly, would the US use an institution like the federal reserve to lend the treasury money, rather than the treasury just issuing the currency itself?
>>542290259Its just insane to me because I seen people I regard as informed and intelligent to be talking about this as if its a solution to anything, regardless if they support it or not. The most I get is "the debt has to go somewhere" from them. To think out loud, Institutions will be selling treasuries to raise dollars to close out dollar denominated debt and then flee with whatever capital left into alternatives. This leads to currency destruction and deflation of the USD (FRN for the autists). The USD will spike in value relative to other currencies for a small while due to demand, but there is more debt than available liquidity, but we got 0% reserve requirements and so the only thing stopping dollar acquisition is interest rates. Do they think they can set up some self fulfilling debt expansion to close out previous debts as everyone races to the exit? People will just default and walk away instead in that case.
>>542289663There is no grand plan to rescue America. Miggers are the weak men they warned us about. They are thieves of American success. They have no intention of protecting local markets because as we have seen multiple times now, they don't give a fuck about local markets. Affordability is a hoax remember? The goal is to steal as much money from America and then gtfo. Peter Thiel, Trump, Zuckerberg have said as much in their ways. They even already have their backup country / homes figured out. Thiel to Brazil, Trump to Israel, Zuckerberg to Ireland, Bessent to UK, etc etc
>>542286220The US government doesn't borrow money, so it doesn't matter if no one wants to buy a bond. The only thing the US will accept as payment for the bonds that it issues is its own currency (it's own IOU), so the currency necessarily has to exist independent of and prior to any bonds being issued.
>>542290678>Anonymous (ID: CSs4+ANv) 8 pbtid ESL textwall diarrheaspew 'muh fractional' Brainletderp
>>542291704jesus christ you're a moron, you don't even have a response, you're just vomiting links all over the thread and giving out homework instead of actually explaining anything>>542291512>>542290849what the government is doing right now is speedrunning the dollar milkshake theory lmao
>>542291854>Anonymous (ID: CSs4+ANv) 9 pbtid brainlet 'vomiting'= (You) **stupid fuck**Central banks obviously control the overall system, it's the investment banks that are the center of it all.'The Money Deluge' and '97% Owned' completely explain what central banks have been doing for decades — entire system today began eighty years ago with 1944 Bretton Woods and was at that time intentionally centered around the USD as a 'recovery' currency denomination for the global economy. Over decades and series of deliberate decisions (e.g. the 1971 event) the entire global system became dependent on just 1 single default reserve currency denomination (hence Brent Johnson's 'dollar milkshake', the whole world system all HNW transactions default to and prefer USD), and moreover after the 1980s with *speculative debt instruments* that had never in human history existed such as CDOs, credit default swaps, MBSs (invented 1978 but didn't become industry prevalent until early '80s) that now generate all of the world's wealth.Most transnational corporations today shovel their profits into (no, not capex improvements of their own product / manufacturing output but) *buybacks of their own stock* to artificially boost equity market valuations.It's all entirely 2026 about making money off of money itself exclusively alone. The Real Economy of goods-services-commodities, a company's own brand product may as well not even exist at all.None of this has to do with the current Trump 2.0 administration this has been decades in the making; central banks (not heads of state or governments) and by extension their Primary Dealers, the investment banks, control all 160 nations on Earth(You) are the *DUMBEST FUCK LOWEST IQ BRAINLET* to have ever uploaded content to /pol/Shut the fuck up and go back to pleddit, Dumb Fuck
Most transnational corporations today shovel their profits into (no, not capex improvements of their own product / manufacturing output but) *buybacks of their own stock* to artificially boost equity market valuations.It's all entirely 2026 about making money off of money itself exclusively alone. The Real Economy of goods-services-commodities, a company's own brand product may as well not even exist at all.>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today." — Nick Dearden, quoted in '97% Owned'All anons itt : ^^watch the two films 'The Money Deluge' and '97% Owned'
Central banks (not heads of state or governments) and by extension their Primary Dealers, the investment banks, control all 160 nations on Earth.former U.K. Prime Minister explains what-who controls, runs their country (no it is not the government or monarchy) :https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/522930520
>>542285924What do these jewish money trick numbers mean?
>>542285924Don't care, I'm just here for the kirkversary
>>542292831It means that the debt-based global system is in crisis.Spiking bond yields means that nobody wants to buy the debt. The global system is debt-based.Read the thread. Watch 'The Money Deluge' and '97% Owned'. Understand, comprehend how the global debt-based economic model functions.>>542287602>>542286955
>>542292831Anyone/thing that bought bonds at a lower rate is currently getting fucked in the ass with unrealized losses. They either hold the bags or panic sell, they are panic selling which devalues the bond itself and leads to higher interest rates on newer bonds making it even worse. The music just stopped and people are racing to find their chair. Its getting funny because you have people selling derivatives of the chairs on top of that.
>>542286028Worse. The government is offering people huge interest rates to buy and hold government debt for a set period.5% yield beats out a vast majority of the stock market.Normally this would make people pull money out of stocks to put in bonds.The current market is instead Fake and Gay so it doesn't mean anything. Everyone is waiting to see which way the wind blows on AI and holding shitloads of cash.The market can stay retarded longer than you can pretend you're a stock trader.
>>542293129The original plan of the incoming adminstration had been >>542286379 to bring U.S. annual gdp growth up into the 6 or 7 percent range which even if achieved (it hasn't been) would only just barely keep the U.S. ahead of Interest Payments on the debt i.e. does absolutely nothing about the $2.5 trillion/year fedgov spending <--of money they don't even have, and *half of which* instantaneously every year goes to Interest Payments aka the credit card bill.Economist Phillip Patrick remarked last week: "the U.S. national debt is unsolvable," and he and others have long observed that the problem is U.S. Congress spending<--that is what must be curtailed, reduced. For decades the U.S. Congress has been a rubberstamp-machine for ever gigaballooning budgets. Congress holds the purse strings on spending. Interest Payments on the debt now far outstrip annual discretionary spending. We have now attained unprecedented magnitudes.The United States Treasury is now on the highway to the total default brick wall in four years from now. Why is that a problem that goes far beyond just solely the U.S. fedgov going bankrupt? Because the entire world uses UST and USD as the default reserve denomination. The global debt market is the referendum on confidence in the U.S. Treasury's solvency, the measure of how much the top investors, financial big wheels of all 160 nations 'believe in' the United States.
All of the top 5 US Treasuries holders sold this year $19B to $86B. Norway's sovereign wealth fund is going to unload its $200B. There is no way for the US to have a bond auction and finance the ongoing $2T budget shortfall, end of this year, next year and foreseeable future. Everybody is dumping and nobody will be buying. They do own the reserve currency, so they can roll the printer and not have the offsetting debt, but it will toilet paper the $USD very quickly.
>>542293199>the wind blows on AI and holding shitloads of cash.the AI bros know it's not what it claims to be lol. and people definitely are not holding shit loads of money because there is an absolutely fucking insane TRILLIONS of dollars in the S&P500 right now. in other words its a bubble
>>542293564The simplest thing to do is just bring the interest rate below the growth rate, rather than trying to do it the other way around.The Federal Reserve and the Treasury are both monopoly operations -- they can set their respective rates and yields wherever they want. There is no market function there.So just have a ZIRP.>but then people won't want to buy bondsWell, the government doesn't need to sell bonds in the first place. Or you could amend the Federal Reserve Act and allow the Fed to purchase bonds on the primary market, directly from the Treasury.None of this is a real problem except we are plagued with parasitic conservatives who won't stop pretending that the government is the origin of the money unit, not the taxpayer.
>>542293865>None of this is a real problem except we are plagued with parasitic conservatives who won't stop pretending that the government is the origin of the money unit, not the taxpayer.This should be "the government ISN'T the origin of the money unit"
>>542290207Jecka?!?!
Welfare is expensive. Don't be a Batich.
>>542293199checked, correct and remember the context which your post alludes to:This isn't just about equity and asset markets. The global debt market *is what underpins everything*, it is what all wealth today is founded on. The AI massive leveraged bet, is what is presently keeping equity markets—and thus the broad Jim Cramer-tier 'confidence' in and metric of "how good the economy is"—artificially pumped up, but many HNW holders actually are reading the AI tea leaves at the moment and can evidently see AI is not all it is financially cracked up to be. AI is the greatest financial scam in history of civilization and the last cash grab priorto implosion of the global debt market.Because essentially the entirety of industrial civilization has been powered by globalist Financialized fumes since the 1990s.Covid was one of the final attempts to goose the failing imploding investment bank debt gigacasino, that began in mid-2019 with the overnight repo market collapse. Almost $1T in direct bailouts from Sept-Dec 2019 and then magically in Jan 2020 along came covid (with never-before-in-human-history global lockdown, another S12 trillion in liquidity to keep the global investment bank gigacasino merrily rolling along)https://www.yotube.com/watch?v=XMkq75L5n_kFeb 2022, the Ukraine war gave a heroin injection that lasted 9 months, then SVB collapse: followed quickly by the rise of NVIDIA "muh AI" 2023—2026Global Real Economy of goods-services-commodities has been in free fall collapse for six years, 2019—2026 now. AI is the last cash grab
>>542285924>THE HAPPENINGS ARE HAPPENING>THE STRAITS ARE CLOSING>THE BIRTHRATES ARE PLUMMETING>THE MAGNETIC FIELDS ARE WEAKENING>THE NEETS ARE NEETING>THE NUKES ARE DROPPING>THE SHITCOINS ARE DUMPING>THE TARIFFS ARE HITTING HARD>THE REAL ESTATES ARE OVERWHELMING>THE AI IS TAKING OVER>THE BANKS ARE COLLAPSING>THE YIELDS ARE SPIKING>THE RATES ARE CUTTING>THE PETRODOLLARS ARE DYING>THE BONDS ARE DEFAULTING>THE INSIDERS ARE SHORTING>THE MONEYS ARE INFLATING>THE PENSIONS ARE PONZYING>THE FAMINES ARE COMING>THE MARKETS ARE CRASHING>THE JOBS ARE RECEEDING>THE UBI'S ARE DROPPING>THE DEBTS ARE PILING UP>THE CYBERCRIMINALS ARE HACKING>THE BLACKOUTS ARE COMING>THE WORLD WARS ARE STARTING>THE WEST HAS FALLENIt's over but I still have to go to work tomorrow morning. I'm tired bros, I'm tired of this world. When will it finally be my turn to be on top?
>>542294029Soooo what can I do to shield myself from the upcoming cluster fuck? Or should I just blow my own brains out? This life was shit anyway
They'll print money to buy bonds soon. Screen cap this
>>542293564Right, but the jig is up because alternatives that are more attractive are getting closer to reality and that faith is obviously decreasing due to the de-dollarization. The worlds total debt is something like ~353 trillion and thats huge amount to unwind. I expect chaos and massive revaluations incoming whenever they decide to pull the trigger and close the banks for two weeks. I think these central bankers and other institutions gobbling up all the gold are going to make a killing after all this plays out. Who knows, maybe they will pull zero point energy out of their asses and the aliens will save us, but I doubt it.
>>542286028It means buy ammo and buckets of mac and cheese
>>542293564>is unsolveablethis problem can easily be solved tomorrow. you constitutionally limit congressional spending to GDP and then you sell a $40 trillion 100 year bond at 4% interest rate. overnight you disappear the debt and you prevent it from happening in the future. when anyone tells you otherwise they are lying because they ultimately have a vested interest somewhere else aka they want that 6-7% GDP growth to go into their businesses
>>542285924you can only cry wolf so many timesyou can only skin a sheep onceetcthe world no longer believes american t bills are safe. i wonder why
>>542294210>this problem can easily be solved tomorrow. you constitutionally limit congressional spending to GDPThe greedy welfare takers will never allow that. We have to kill the generational welfare takers first.
>>542294040We are doomed to live in the real world.
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>>542286028It means you lost, tranny!
>>542290316Based and Jannypilled.
>>542285924thats long term treasuries, usd will not be reserve currency in that time, all will use gold and silverlong term rate will rise to 7-8% soon, thats historical rate for paper money printersusa still can borrow short term, its enough for next 1-2 cyclesbut after that they need to think about switching back to gold / silver, thats inevitable
>>542286028Trust in US economy decreasing = borrowing more expensive = higher cost to service your existing 40 trillion debt = austerity measures or bankruptcy. The last example of such in a developed country is probably Greece. You're not the only country in this situation currently but by far the most affected and indebted. Jews really pulled one over on you demanding you get into a forever war with Persians for no particular reason.
>>542294093The problem is, any operations on the bond market are actually known by serious people. You can pump stocks, pay Kramer to hype them and hope Joe Blow 401k buys them. It is hard to fiddle with the bond market and not have those investors know and price in the moves you made.Everyone knows they are keeping the YEN afloat because Japan owns $1.14T in US treasuries. Everyone knows the US bought its own long bonds with shorties. The US SecTres said he had a $1T bazooka and the market yawned.
>>542293593>roll the printerLast time that "worked" was covid 2020.Nobody is buying the debt now in 2026.Whenever money is 'printed' by the central bank, a corresponding bond for each single one of those dollars is issued by Treasury. Those bonds have to be bought, there's a bond market. Already explained this ^^^upthread and on the other threadposts crosslinked.Every time you make a post or snarky joke about 'moneyprinting' remember: That means also, the nation's Treasury issued more bonds that *must be bought*. It's a global debt based economic model.After covid and since 2019, the world debt issuance/load has increased by one-third (it was already over $255 trillion back then), four times the amount of all global economic output.Public debt—sovereign debt of governments—in 2026 comprises *ninety-four percent* of the entire global economy; IMF predicts that in three years that reaches one hundred percent. World government soon will owe as muchas the entire global economy produces in 12 months duration. Total debt levels and deficit spendingg of the past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past few centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the the expectation that they will repay, but rather on the expectation that they will refinance.Prescient panel from December 2019 (immediately prior to covid) encapsulates this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-Q
>>542294210The second there's an (((emergency))) they'll just change the rules. I've been following this for 20 years.
>>542286247Based. This is what I hope for too. A mega crash will see many of the shitskin illegal replacements leave to go to greener pastures. It’s all for the best. Boomers will probably lose nearly everything but they deserve that anyway. It’s an acceptable price to pay
>>542293564I miss 2014.
It was absolutely retarded to start this war to begin with. Could have waited for after the mid terms at least. Controlled demolition.
>>542291656>The US government doesn't borrow money, so it doesn't matter if no one wants to buy a bond.Issuing bonds is borrowing money, lmao wtf is this post?
>>542294148Whatever is done, the debt market has to remain intact. Which it far from is, rn (and Bessent for example is plate-spinning to temporarily "fix" which it doesn't)>close the banks for two weeksMassive shock and crisis incoming. 2007-tier, and will make that look like a walk in the park.Credit freeze,<-- is what would have occurred had not the 2008 bailouts been approved.
>>542294516There will be an offsetting debt entry for the money printed, but it will be bought by the Treasury. At that point you are essentially free wheeling the money printer.
>>542289663If you think that's nuts, I've seen some absolutely delusional miggers talking about how we're going to replace the petrodollar with the "compute dollar" and that's why we need to turn the whole country into wall to wall data centers. I don't know if they came up with that on their own or if someone actually put it forward.
>>542294679Did you stop reading?Answer a very simple question: What does the government accept as payment for the bonds that it issues?Follow that answer to its logical conclusion.
>>542294770but what happens when the government keeps buying shit and not allowing any new powerplants or production?The gibs will inflate USD so bad while the producers get wrecked even more.I feel like a foreign country needs to buy it and send us free shit, or investors need to lock up capital for the x% return. No more free lunches the people who actually work can't handle it anymore. They got into this mess with the triffin dilemma they need to get out of it by abandoning the world reserve currency and making stuff again.
>>542294531miggerism is a much harder problem to solve
>>542295044https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mODnz8DnhCQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pex89N9OqogThis is really not very complicated at all, guys.
>>542286028>>542285924The interest rates on long bonds are rising become the traditional buyers are disappearing. Pensions used to buy these because they paid out a guaranteed amount every month that would make the pensioners payment. As pensions dissappear the need to buy them is disappearing.The war isn't helping but the is a permanent result of pensions going out.
>>542295145MMT died when Japan failed Their economy was the test bed
>Anonymous (ID: HaTRBP1n) 5 pbtid MMT shillDo not engage with this bot.
>>542295239Japan's not dead.
>>542295226>PensionsRemember also that a few years ago the Bank of England was forced to buy back bonds (take them back on to their balance sheet) in order to save U.K. pensions from implosion.Just another measure of the past several years' instability, volatility and lack of reliability in the global bond marketIn a global debt-based economic framework
>>542286028HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHADon't worry, anon, numbers are jewish
>>542294719Only way I can see them saving the debt market is for them to reevaluated all asset prices to cover all the debt. In that case, would nations with real assets be willing to even buy up all that debt with their "new found wealth" and hold it over everyone elses head? If they did that how much would an ounce of gold cost, a barrel of oil? USA still has a bunch of land to sell off, but not so much invested in finding our own resources. Gonna be real expensive trying to play catch up with what China already has and developed, we also lack icebreakers to compete with those new artic shipping lanes Russia is working on.
>>542295364The U.S. had to intervene and bail them out recently. You know who holds the bonds right and how this work or what are you even trying to say?
>>542295501Yeah, idk. RE: 'assets' everything is debt, debt-based and -derived now.Also keep in mind: regarding all the post-1990s Financialized wealth, the vast majority of that is not held or manifested in the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities at all.It is hidden away in the giga-massive shadow network of eurodollar transactions and accounts:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Londonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London_Corporation(Don't forget 'The Great Taking' re-definition of what private held assets actually are, and who is entitled to them either)
>>542295044>>542295145Are you doing your first semester of an economics undergrad or something? We all know how the federal reserve increases money supply. You apparently don't or you'd realise how bonds factor into that.
>>542295364Japan is so dead that the US treasury had to bail them out at the cost of the Euro in order to get them to stop selling US bonds to defend their own interest issues. Their island is nothing but zombie corps rolling over their own debt at super cheap interest rates. Guess what? Those rates are still rising even after the intervention and their economy is still tanking. The yen carry trade is also closed due to this and so the issue is spreading to other zombie corps across the world.
>>542295551anon, heads up:That is an MMT shill, he appears in many of these /pol/ macroeconomic topic threads. Don't bother engaging with him
>>542286247>Oh, and Israel will be destroyed.
>>542295794When I said "assets", I was strictly referring to the tangible ones. My bad, as I should have just said commodities. I would really like to see how much is going through the Cayman Islands.
>>542294029>keep the global investment bank gigacasino merrily rolling alongI don't think people realize how dire and close to collapse things were in 2019. It was so bad they bribed everyone with free money, and that is something they never, ever want to do unless forced. Smart people will (and did) take that money and put it in real assets. My silver is looking really shiny these days.
>>542296176No it's understandable, and also remember a lot of the eurodollar time-dependent accounts stuff consists of derivatives and speculative instruments, itself.Nobody—not even the top professional insider financial experts—knows the full magnitude or scope of all the hidden assets in eurodollar transactions/accounts. It's a true unknown, but again back to the topic of Financialization >>542289196: most of the world's economic and $$$$$$$ activity has nothing at all to do with the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities; it is totally walled off from that. To most of the 1%, and especially the Rothschild network <--that are in control of the central banks themselves, the Real Economy may as well not even exist at all, anymore.This is where the post-1970s Financialized world has fully broken away from the historical timeline of past empires, and even past monetary systems worldwide. It has no corollary or comparison in previous human history or civilization. Yet it is a debt-based economic model and the global debt market is the primary upholding and generating structure for it, the most vulnerable and crucial component.
>>542295849Selling bonds is a policy choice, a self-imposed constraint. If the only thing a government will accept as payment for the bonds that it issues is its own currency (which is the case) then that currency must exist prior to and independent of bonds being issued. Otherwise how would anyone have money to buy a bond at origin?
>>542295551The US had to intervene to avoid the BoJ selling US debt on the market and in fact the treasury had to put in place a FIMA repo service as in pic related to avoid massive dumps of US treasuries which would make the US very unhappy.Thus if you're framing this as the US bailing out or making a favour to Japan you're wrong.
>>542296924>Thus if you're framing this as the US bailing out or making a favour to Japan you're wrong.Glad you figured that one out
>>542286028It means that it is time for you to put that triple cheese burger down and look into getting a truck load of expired MRE's on the cheap while you still can, Goyslug.
>>542296176In bankruptcy, all of the unencumbered assets will be found. The utility companies can be sold off, parking meters, toll roads/bridges, government buildings, etc. The USGov still owns 28% of the land in the USA.My guess is a declaration of force majeure and a full default of foreign debt. You lose all your foreign assets like oil wells, mines, US companies, etc. But, nobody is coming to collect the money when you return the troops home and point the guns outward. You can't participate in global debt markets anymore, but they weren't serving your purposes anyway.Rebuild the US from the ground up with all sectors represented. No more only service and financial services. You need manufacturing and heavy industry to be rebuilt.
>>542297106The US government issues the currency. It can't go bankrupt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUx3IL0a-0
>>542290207sex with jeck'
>>542286028you don’t trust the dude you’re lending to so you ask more from his down payment times a trillion
>>542296421I used that free money to buy GME, not for profit. But because I thought it would be funny to use their own toilet paper to make the problem worse. I used my own wealth to buy other things. It was all worth it when I heard that some +100 year old swiss bank begged their government to bail them out when they discovered the bags they ended up holding.>>542296616I have yet to see anything defeat the exponential. They tried to disconnect everything from the real economy, but in the case of the yen carry trade breaking down due to resource scarcity, reality reared its ugly head. All they did was build an illusion that is difficult to understand by design and the real currency is faith. Now even the least informed person is feeling the weight of this scam and its become unaffordable to live in the illusion. The system ends when the people start asking too many questions, because they cannot afford to be distracted by the wine and theater. Same toilet, different shit. Sure it looks different, but people still know what it is when the smell gets too bad. I do expect them to ramp up the wars like they always do when it comes to this. Hopefully the average person having access to the internet has seen enough to know who/what is really to blame. People are getting angrier by the day as our governments become more and more irrational and panicked.
>>542286028>What the fuck does these numbers mean? Our economy is doing better or worse?It means that foreigners arent recycling their dollarinos into US bonds and stocks. It means that you are in the initial stage of what may develop to a collapse comparable to the 1991 soviet union collapse. This is because they need the dollars they have to buy oil products and food and they need to sell off or pawn the bonds and securities they have if they dont have enough dollars. So these people are in worse shit than you are but they are also the marks you need to keep the dollar pyramid scheme running. When the dollar scam implodes you will have to pay for all your imports and finance your deficits yourself and the value of the dollar will only be backed by your own production, meaning it will be a fraction of what it is today.
>>542290316I will pretend to work and they will pretend to pay us.
>>542285924I'll buy that for a dollar
>>542297162>The US government issues the currency. It can't go bankrupt.The motto of the economically illiterate leftist retard.You don't live in a closed system, you live in a globalist system of a million moving parts.If nobody wants to lend to you and they start selling your bonds then the dollar collapses and you get hyper-inflation.America can't go bankrupt in the same way that Zimbabwe couldn't go bankrupt.
>>542286247Why would things go back to normal? Once USD stops becoming the universal currency it won't come back.
>>542289196>Whatever this is rn 2009—2026 isn't 'capitalism'Correct. There is no capital in the system any more. Its all freshly printed fiat debt magicked out of nothing.
>>542297515>I used that free money to buy GMEAnd that is why they will never give the peasants direct cash again. It was damn funny watching the kvetching though, even with all the insufferable avatarfags shitting up the threads.
>>542298005Bankruptcy is a term for people or corporations where you are legally let off your debts by fairly spreading your assets between all your creditors as smaller percentage of what you owe them. The proper term for where the US is heading will be insolvency. Right now the US is paying $900B in interest on $40T. Based on everyone selling the debt this year and no buyers, the 30yr bond yield (currently 5.25%) will have to settle at 7-9%. At some point you run out of moves to make. If they did try to paper out trillions and buy their own debt the $USD would be worth nothing.The scary part is, taking into account that nothing ever happens, is this looks to be happening shortly. When they stop paying Boomers social security/medicare/medicaid it is going to get nasty.
>>542289663Stablecoins is a way to get people to buy USGOV bonds while they think they are buying "them bitcoins that make peepul rich".
>>542285924I own T-bill ladders, so... Yay!
>>542298232There's something even better than cash and there's nothing they can do about it.
