>#1: John F. Kennedy>#2: Abraham Lincoln>#3 Lyndon B. Johnson>#4 Ronald ReaganWho should be #5?
that whiskey rebellion, mason nigger
>>542296843Lolberts SEETHING
>>542296751And your try here is what? Jewberg seething?^^Back to the oven jewish rat grandma waits for her little shekelclipper
>>542296751>1. Lincoln>2. LBJ>3. JFK>4. Obongo>5. George Bush>Runner Up: Carter
>>542296751>JFK above LBJYou're a retard.
>>542297215https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nation_of_Immigrants
>>542297148I think Reagan was a lot worse than either Bush. He's the reason the Republican Party could be led by someone like Bush.
>>542296751The real worst five presidents:41. Franklin Pierce42. James Buchanan43. Ronald Reagan44. George W. Bush45. Zion Don
>>542297396>no JFK>no LBJ
>>542297376Reagan is very worth criticizing and has much to criticize.. but he can at least be honestly credited with probably playing a role in fomenting the collapse of the soviet union. What can either bush be credited with? What can Carter be credited with except literally giving away the most valuable piece of land on the planet for free?
>>542297523Reagan was so catastrophically bad on domestic policy that any foreign policy wins are insignificant. The spike in economic inequality during the 1980s was unparalleled, not to mention his amnesty.
>>542297215JFK did more or less start the whole CRA thing. I mean his being martyred probably allowed it to get passed. LBJ gets the credit and is certainly culpable but JFK was already ginning that shit up. I cannot overstate how big of a deal that was. It is the sole reason the south is even republican today and why party realignment even occured in the first place and it WAS JFKs brainchild.
>>542297671Again everyone is well aware of Reagan's failing. However it is fairly hard to take you seriously when you write off something as significant as "playing a major role in fomenting the collapse of the soviet union" as some minor foreign affairs thing kek. It is a significant point. Again I'm not a huge fan of Reagan I'm just saying there are countervailing things there that take him off the top five list. The immigration stuff is a major point of criticism though.
>>542297502They were both pretty good.
>>542297859>as some minor foreign affairs thing kekBecause it's debatable to what extend Reagan personally is responsible. He fully entrenched the Republican Party as the party of cuckservatism and greed, which lasted for 30 years.
>>542296751Why would you possibly put JFK on that list? He:>avoided getting goaded into a nuclear war with the Soviets>turned down Operation Northwoods and told the CIA to get the fuck out of his office>vowed to root out the 5th column, and shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them into the wind>wanted to put the United States on a silver standard and return the power of printing money to the mint and not the federal reserve>desperately resisted escalation with the communists in Vietnam>coincidentally caught a bullet with his headWhat did he actually do policy wise which was bad?
>>542297936LBJ is the reason the welfare state is so insanely large today, which is sucking middle class people dry. JFK is the reason we opened our borders to the entire world, which has been destroying the country. Together they're responsible for the disastrous civil rights regime.
>>542298010What did he actually do that was destructive? Not that much, but he's the entire reason we had the Hart-Celler act and Civil Rights Act. LBJ's actual actions were more destructive, but the whole reason he did them was JFK. >not the federal reserveWhy do you think literally every country in the world has a central bank, anon?
>>542297966Even without accepting the meme that "reagan singehandedly caused the collapse of the soviet empire" an honest view of his policies and the times would (I genuinely believe) result in a sober minded person drawing the conclusion that he did have a major role in that albeit not a singular one. For all I know this is why you have such a hardon against him. I mean there is alot of low hanging fruit there (immigration, gun control etc etc). The fact you chose wealth inequality of all things creates apprehension and suspicion of your politics.
>>542297523>but he can at least be honestly credited with probably playing a role in fomenting the collapse of the soviet unionNot really. The decline of the Soviets was largely internal and if any president is most responsible, it's either Nixon, Kennedy or Bush Sr.>What can either bush be credited with?Sr. is responsible for establishing cordial relations with the Soviets which allowed them to give up the various Republics without resistance, the subsequent large scale denuclearization of both of our countries and acceptance of the unipolar new world order. And the Clear Air Act alone did more good for the nation than anything Ronny fucking Raygun did.
>>542298294>The fact you chose wealth inequality of all things creates apprehension and suspicion of your politicsI said immigration AND inequality. I'm not a leftist. Too much inequality is a bad thing, you know? We don't need to go as far as some of these EU countries and have insane taxes on the middle class, but we don't need to pretend that high inequality is a good thing.
>>542298327If your attempt is to somehow try to rehabilitate HW Bush's time as REAGAN'S VP or try to claim JFK as the critical factor in the eventual collapse of the Soviet Empire (by doing what cucking to them the hardest?) Then I really don't know if you can be helped and certainly shouldn't be taken seriously. Again, it is often probably overstated Reagan's role in the USSR collapse, and indeed they were doomed and already failing, but I honestly think if you objectively look at Reagan's terms, that critical juncture, and his policies and even propaganda/optics value- he did in fact play a major role in the collapse.
>>542298590>it is often probably overstated Reagan's role in the USSR collapseAnd he was a disastrous president on domestic policy, as we've already established. So who do you think should replace him in the top 5?
>>542298068>LBJ is the reason the welfare state is so insanely large today, which is sucking middle class people dryNo, what destroyed the Middle Class is the neoliberal (started by Reagan) push to destroy unions, our domestic manufacturing capacity, while cutting taxes for the ultra wealthy, gutting regulations on the most powerful corporations and simultaneously spending like drunken sailors on the military. LBJ is the reason the poverty rate is no longer 20%, the poor have access to food and non-wealthy children and the elderly have access to health insurance. >JFK is the reason we opened our borders to the entire world, which has been destroying the country. Together they're responsible for the disastrous civil rights regime.Immigration rates weren't even particularly high until the 90s and the pre-JFK/LBJ racial status quo was much more damaging for the cohesion of our nation than after them.
>>542298713>the pre-JFK/LBJ racial status quo was much more damaging for the cohesion of our nation than after them.Kill yourself leftist faggot.
>>542298444I don't think that many people who were alive during the mess that preceded Reagan would have genuinely felt that his approach economically, whatever you diagnosis of it's effects, would really have that much issue with his economic decisions. There is a very good reason he unsealed Carter and was incredibly popular. Certainly he was charismatic, but things really were doing very bad economically and the failures of his predecessors, as well as some natural economic headwinds, were as much of a reason he was elected as anything.
>>542298713>Immigration rates weren't even particularly high until the 90sYou know that before JFK/LBJ our immigration system was whites only, right?
>>542298678I have already given my list- 1. Lincoln2. LBJ3. JFK4. Obongo5. W. Bush
>>542298590>If your attempt is to somehow try to rehabilitate HW Bush's time as REAGAN'S VPWhat even is your argument? Yeah, Bush was Reagan's VP. He also was the vastly more accomplished president, the same is true of Theodore Roosevelt vis-a-vis McKinley.>or try to claim JFK as the critical factor in the eventual collapse of the Soviet Empire (by doing what cucking to them the hardest?)Nah, it was his soft power programs like Radio Free Europe, USAID, the Peace Corps, etc which won the hearts of much of the world over what the communists were offering. >but I honestly think if you objectively look at Reagan's terms, that critical juncture, and his policies and even propaganda/optics value- he did in fact play a major role in the collapse.I objectively analyze all of these presidents. I don't know any of them personally. The biggest thing Reagan did which hurt the Soviets is expand Carter's funding of Afghan Mujahideen, which wasn't his original policy and led to much worse outcomes for our country and the region the following years and decades, all while not being decisive in their downfall.
>>542298832>things really were doing very bad economicallyAnd it was even worse until ~1983. Two full years of recession under REAGAN
>>542296751Number 1. lil bush.took US budget from 1.8T to 4.5T in 8 years. We have been adding 2T a year to debt ever since.our country is done for thanks to him.
>>542296751Wrong>1. Woodrow Wilson>2. FDR>3. Obama>4. Bush>5. BidenTrump 2 would be number 6 at this point
>>542298923Not too bad of a list, desu. I think JFK/LBJ and Lincoln have to be the top 3, no matter what.
>>542299036Woodrow Wilson was easily top 5 BEST presidents, and FDR wasn't bad. Biden wasn't good but I don't think time will be unkind on him, Trump is reversing his immigration and DEI agenda, and his foreign and industrial policy were fine.
>>542298782What I said is objectively true. Stop being scared of black men.>>542298844It mostly was, yeah, but that didn't change until the 90s, as I said.
>>542299144>Stop being scared of black menMy grandparents grew up outside of DC in the 1940s. They would take the streetcar into the city to go to Senators games, ALONE. I said it before and I'll say it again: kill yourself. >stop being scared of black menNo? They're 10 times more likely to kill me than white men.
>>542298832>Certainly he was charismatic, but things really were doing very bad economically and the failures of his predecessorsReagan caused much more economic destruction than any of his immediate predecessors. It was Carter and Volcker who tamed inflation, Reagan was saved by the fruits of their labor showing themselves in an election year.
>>542298976For starters, JFK is largely responsible for allowing MAD with the soviet union to occur. I could make a serious case that having near unilateral nuclear supremacy of the entire globe and letting that slip through your fingers is probably not only the single worst mistake any president has ever made but probably the worst mistake any world leader in history has ever made. I try not to beat him up too much about this because of what a stupendous decision would have been required (I'm sure he did not anticipate being the unlucky bastard to inhabit the oval office when the chips were down on that decision lol). Anyways, the soviets would not have collapsed by virtue of soft power gay USAID nonsense alone. Of course they were an economic mess and failure but it took actively shoving them down in that mud puddle of economic dysfunction that made the daily lives of their subjects such a living hell. That's why they collapsed (in addition to allowing themselves to be spread so thin in an all or nothing game of global proxy conflicts). I guess you could credit JFK with expansion of the situation in Vietnam though so that goes to your favor.
>>542299224>No? They're 10 times more likely to kill me than white men.Are you black? Because white men are much more likely to be killed by other white men.
>>542299040The JFK thing is so crazy because you literally had a Richie Rich bozo pretty boy barely get into office by the skin of his teeth... and then he happens to be sitting in the Big Chair when unironically the most serious, consequential, torturous decision that has ever faced a human leader has ever occured. Lol I mean he probably assumed he'd just be banging secretaries and stuff and he ends up as president at probably the most hard critical juncture in history.
>>542299468That's because white people live around other white people, idiot. In suburbs. The cities used to be safe when we had segregation. Whites don't get killed by blacks because we stay away from blacks.
>>542296751FDR and Teddy Roosevelt are both awful. Reagan and LBJ were pretty bad, but nothing bad they did would have been possible without what those two did. Another really bad one that doesn't get enough credit is Madison. Madison was the sort of counterrevolutionary traitor who countries set up revolutionary guards to protect against.
>>542299372Carter can actually be credited with the single most retarded decision I can think of in the history of the US Presidency- aka giving away the single most valuable strip of land on this planet for free for no good reason. So the very concept that such a man "tamed inflation" is frankly laughable. And no one in his time believed it either.
>>542299135>Woodrow Wilson was easily top 5 BEST presidents,That nigger brought in the federal reserve and the 16th-19th amendmentsAnd dragged us into WW1
>>542299681In the halls of the bad presidents- one man stands head and shoulders above all else as to be almost above reproach as fucking wrecking ball to this federal republic- and that man is Lincoln.
>>542298010cause hes a fucking jewish rat..
>>542297376While Bush wouldn't have been possible without Reagan, what Bush did pushed the envelope so far that he really needs to be considered on his own. While Reagan can be understood in the context of his day, Bush's sheer awfulness came out of left field.>>542299806Lincoln was already on OP's list retard.
>>542299135>Woodrow Wilson was easily top 5 BEST presidentsBest at what? Destroying civilization? Woodrow Wilson isn't just one of the worst presidents ever, he was one of the worst human beings who ever lived. He is the "but for" cause of very nearly every bad thing currently going on in the world. Inflation, wokism, socialism, refugee crises, every war currently happening. You can trace very nearly all of it back to specific acts of Wilson, and not in a butterfly effect sense, but it being a predictable consequence which typically was predicted at the time by at least one critic or even ally of his administration. In fact he predicted a lot of these consequences himself and then did it anyway.
>>542299887Fair enough but it can never be said too many times.
>>542299403>For starters, JFK is largely responsible for allowing MAD with the soviet union to occur. I could make a serious case that having near unilateral nuclear supremacy of the entire globe and letting that slip through your fingers is probably not only the single worst mistake any president has ever made but probably the worst mistake any world leader in history has ever made. I try not to beat him up too much about this because of what a stupendous decision would have been required (I'm sure he did not anticipate being the unlucky bastard to inhabit the oval office when the chips were down on that decision lol).What are you basing this on, exactly?>Anyways, the soviets would not have collapsed by virtue of soft power gay USAID nonsense aloneNobody argued otherwise, but it contributed far more than anything Reagan did.>but it took actively shoving them down in that mud puddle of economic dysfunction that made the daily lives of their subjects such a living hellThat had nothing to do with Reagan. >>542299632Most normal people interact with all kinds of people every day, including black ones, and have no problem. If you're actually white, you're much more likely to be killed by a fellow white person. Blacks likewise usually cause trouble among their own.>>542299698The Panama Canal wasn't profitable by the time it was sold, and selling it had been in the works since Eisenhower, as our occupation was actively driving the Panamanians against us.>So the very concept that such a man "tamed inflation" is frankly laughable. And no one in his time believed it either.Well it's true. Volcker's Fed policies are what largely tamed inflation, and he was installed by Carter, whose own budget reform put us on track to concur the inflation crisis.
>>542300260You sound like an erratic woman who's been on reddit too much.
>>542300260Lol I cannot in good conscious blame Woodrow Wilson for every war that happened since. Granted there is very much to blame him for- I mean perhaps involvement in WWI is fair criticism, but the buck for that war stops with Russia, Germany, Bongs/France in that order. And certainly WWI should rightly be looked at as the most destructive and disastrous event in the history of civilization. And by extension a president who had involvement should recieve scrutiny but that he did not himself cause WWI.
>>542300260We could also trace it all back to the Founding Fathers by that logic lmao. You know Wilson was maybe the most racist president since 1900, right?
>>542296751Dead kikes
>>542300387I want a city where my children can take public transit unattended and I don't have to worry about their safety. It was like that in the 1940s and it's not now. We both know why. You're a racial traitor.
>>542300387From approximately 1955-1965 the US had a legitimate well known window to maintain unilateral nuclear supremacy over the world with relatively acceptable losses. The chips were down with JFK and he let MAD happen. Nuclear capability if the soviets during this time was fairly limited. Most people don't understand this though it is well documented. The numbers and capabilities of ICBMs and bomber fleets was stark between the two. Not even close. A solid first strike would have made losses managable in an exchange for the US. I invite you to research the relative nuclear strike capacities of the US v USSR during this time as they are well known and fascinating. Now if you explained what a nuclear weapon was to any great leader of history, Chungus Khan, Caesar, Napoleon etc. And you explained that you had an opportunity to be the only one with them... they would have slapped that button immediately. JFK whiffed. And in his defense it is a stupendous incomprehnsible decision to have to make... but that is ultimately no excuse he wanted the job. Also on the Panama Canal- I dont care if it lost cost ten billion a year to run you don't give away the most valuable strip of land on earth for anything. Also let's not try to call it a sale he basically gave it away.
>>542299036fucking finally someone said WW
>>542300418You sound like a faggot who's got GRIDS in his brain.>>542300427>Lol I cannot in good conscious blame Woodrow Wilson for every war that happened sinceNot every war, just every war going on right now. There were a few wars after his presidency that weren't quite his fault.>Granted there is very much to blame him for- I mean perhaps involvement in WWI is fair criticism, but the buck for that war stops with Russia, Germany, Bongs/France in that order.That war would have been a fairly limited European scuffle of the sort that cropped up every few decades until the US put its massive industrial thumb on the scale propping up the entente. But for Wilson it would have ended after a year or so with a minor redrawing of European borders, not the horrible slog that inevitably led to WWII.>>542300463I specifically excluded butterfly effect type causation. What Woodrow Wilson did was very specifically the cause of these problems, like the creation of the federal reserve causing inflation, the destruction of European monarchies and imposition of monarchy upon Europeans leading to social unrest and eventually radical socialist movements like the NSDAP, the redrawing of borders all over the world leading to all sorts of wars. What he did wasn't just butterfly effect stuff, he knew putting the border here rather than there would eventually lead to war, and he did it anyway. Same with the federal reserve and abolishing the Prussian and Austro-Hungarian monarchies.
>>542300577There's always been problems with crime in most urban centers with public transport. We actually have among the lowest levels of crime in most major cities ever. As long as you don't go out of your way to visit the most dangerous areas, you'll be fine around black people.
>>542300899Have you considered the fact that we got insanely rich off WW2?
>>542296751Trump. As always, he would be #1, not 5
>>542297687>>542297276JFK's ideas about civil rights never approached LBJ's extremism and that kike put the "melting pot" poem on the statue of liberty in 1913, by that time the founding stock was already a minority in this country, fyi. The jews had to kill JFK to usher in the jewish fashist civil rights regime that we all know and love and suffer under today. If JFK had his way, it would have been half-assed at best, and would have bought us some time. JFK gets hate because he was an Irish Catholic and bit of a degenerate, but nowhere near the existential threat that LBJ was. So my point remains: you are retards.
>>542300921>There's always been problems with crime in most urban centers with public transportThis is just straight up misinformation lmao. You think it's true because your frame of reference is exclusively America after the 1960s. You know transit is perfectly safe in say Poland or Japan, right? Why do you think that is?
>>542301044Care to explain why?
What's best book about the causes of the yank civil war that isn't full blown muh negros.
>>542296751Wilson was the worst>federal reserve>income taxes>Women Voting>US involvement in WWI>first presidency with full Jewish control from funding to advisory (Bernard Baruch)>personally came up with the concept of pro-democratic regime change through military action>destroyed Europe
>>542301119I mean it was (mostly) about slavery though
>>542301144>destroyed EuropeI think that was communism. Imagine blaming Woodrow Wilson for your state as a post-Soviet country lmao
>>542300884I feel like putting Woodrow Wilson on the list is a bit weird. Not because he wasn't awful, but because the awfulness of his policies needs to be put not just in the context of American history, but world history. He's up there with Genghis Khan and other historical events which reshaped history, although even comparing him to Genghis Khan is unfair, since Genghis Khan did some good in his life.>>542301032Have you considered that the economic recovery after WWII might not have been caused by the factors you and I both learned in school, but were actually caused by things that the government employed (or at least approved) parental surrogates were never going to admit, because the implications did not benefit them? The economic reality of the great depression was that the New Deal made a recession that would have run its course in a year into a decade long ordeal, and it wasn't wartime production which led to economic recovery, the economic recovery actually happened because in the immediate post war years the government budget was slashed by 40% and there was a massive and very successful push to deregulate the economy. It wasn't the New Deal or WWII which caused the post war boom, it was ending them that did.
>>542301256Say what you will about the New Deal, but that wasn't Wilson. And pretending that WW2 had no positive effect on our success is just insane, unhinged honestly.
>>542300761>The chips were down with JFK and he let MAD happen.The Soviets own technological capacity did.>A solid first strike would have made losses managable in an exchange for the US. I invite you to research the relative nuclear strike capacities of the US v USSR during this time as they are well known and fascinating.>Now if you explained what a nuclear weapon was to any great leader of history, Chungus Khan, Caesar, Napoleon etc. And you explained that you had an opportunity to be the only one with them... they would have slapped that button immediately. JFK whiffed. And in his defense it is a stupendous incomprehnsible decision to have to make... but that is ultimately no excuse he wanted the job.So your argument is that Kennedy should have nuked the Soviets just for the sake of it? He wasn't the first president to have access to the the nuclear codes nor did he have a reason to nuke a nation that wasn't physically at war with us.>Also on the Panama Canal- I dont care if it lost cost ten billion a year to run you don't give away the most valuable strip of land on earth for anything. Also let's not try to call it a sale he basically gave it away.No offense, but I don't think you understand realpolitik particularly well. It's much more valuable to ensure strong relations with an American nation that is likely to side with the communists due to your occupation than to possess a canal that is unprofitable.
>>542301147Did the norf really fight it just because of slavery. I would have thought the south fought for mostly slaves (but also a bit of sovereignty and because Lincoln who was a fagget just got elected) and the north's main goals was to maintain federal control slaves be damned. Though that's just my outside perspective I suppose.
>>542301449I mean tied into slavery were issues of economic and political power between the north and the south, but yes it was at its core about slavery.
>>542301256>putting the president that caused the most damage to history itself at #1 is a bit weird
>>542301086This is true going back to when crime rates were first recorded. The reason we have higher crime is not just blacks, but also because of easy access to firearms, lack of a strong social safety net and an ultra-capitalist society which promotes selfishness over social cohesion.
>>542301305That guy is just repeating nonsense he must've heard from some youtube video.
>>542301594The White American murder rate is LOWER than that of the Baltic countries. Do you think those are particularly dangerous? Is public transit in Latvia a hotbed of crime?
>>542296751Kennedy was based that’s why israel got rid of him Lincoln absolutely destroyed the country and American people though. Then he got backstabbed by his own backers lol
>>542301308The unilateral control over true nuclear first strike capability is probably the greatest moment of potential global domination that has ever been at a nations' fingertips in the history of our species. From Egypt, to Rome, to the Bong Empire no one has ever had that possibility at their fingertips for real. You don't have to be a armchair general to see that you cannot, you must not allow another nation, much less your greatest adversary, to remove this unilateral power or progress to the point of making MAD a possibility. Is it an unthinkable decision with terrible implications and consequences... the sheer amount of destruction and death caused by it... but it is basically necessary as a logical matter. Again, if you put any great leader of history in that chair and explained the situation in 1961 they would have immediately pressed the button. By 1965ish the soviet technological ability had progressed to the point of making a first strike too costly. And JFK was advised and made well aware that they were rapidly progressing and the window was closing. This was often referred to as "the Missile Gap". Also, we won no brownie points by giving away the most valuable strip of land on earth with South America. It only looked weak. We took it, we built it, and we gave it away like retards.
>>542301594> but also because of easy access to firearms, lack of a strong social safety net and an ultra-capitalist society which promotes selfishness over social cohesion.No one has an interest in sharing a country with people like you who traffic in man and White people hatred ideologies. You are evil
Fucking gay thread for fucking retards.All of you!
>>542301874> Also, we won no brownie points by giving away the most valuable strip of land on earth with South America. It only looked weak. We took it, we built it, and we gave it away like retards.Anon, globohomo jews gave away, replaced and erased the American population. Fuck Panama, it all looks awful as hell. For 80 years. It’s so over it’s unreal.
>>542296751JFK is the best modern president and Trump should be at the very top of your list.
>>542301181>Imagine blaming Woodrow Wilson for your state as a post-Soviet country lmaoThat would be entirely reasonable and was in fact something that people predicted at the time when criticizing Wilson's policies. Wilson deliberately promoted the communist cause in eastern Europe because of his intense hatred of monarchy. The ultimate consequences of Communism were predicted well in advance by all intelligent economists, Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk for instance wrote a series of rebuttals to pretty much everything Marx wrote.>>542301305>Say what you will about the New Deal, but that wasn't Wilson.You brought up WWII and the myth of America becoming wealthy because of it, it seemed like a completely unrelated tangent but I was willing to go into it since it was interesting. Now you're pretending I'm the one coming out of left field. Fuck you retard. Wilson was the "but for" cause of the New Deal, since without the federal reserve, not only would the New Deal not have been possible, but the recession which caused it would not have taken place.>pretending that WW2 had no positive effect on our success is just insane, unhinged honestly.Pretending that enslaving a whole generation of working men, pouring the productive capacity of the country into building weapons which would end up mostly being destroyed, and printing a fuckload of money, somehow led to economic growth is absolutely insane and retarded.>>542301538Yeah, it feels weird to me. Like putting the Great Leap Forward on a list of bad economic policies. Yeah it was a bad economic policy, but it was so bad it more belongs on lists that include things like the Black Death and asteroid impacts. Woodrow Wilson was so bad he kind of transcended mere normal political awfulness into the sort of bad where he's almost an evil force of nature in our history. So yeah, he was the worst president, but somehow just calling him the worst president feels like you're not doing his badness justice.
>>542302046> and Trump should be at the very top of your list.For what? Selling out to jews and abandoning his voting base?
>>542302094>without the federal reserveretard detected lmfao
>>542301672>The White American murder rate is LOWER than that of the Baltic countriesMurder is just one crime. America would still be a violent nation if all the blacks disappeared. And you brought up Poland, which has a much lower murder rate than white Americans.
>>542296751top 5 worst are those who wore kike hats and kissed the wall
>>542302156The Federal reserve was undeniably the cause of the Great Depression anon. It’s how these cycles are engineered
>>542302099Also the inside trading, kid diddling, retarded AI social media posts, and his massive fucking ego that has grown out of control.
>>542302235Central banking is an incredibly powerful institution, and with power comes the power for destruction, but used properly it's an undeniable good.
>>542302156You know, you're increasingly in the minority in thinking the federal reserve is a good thing. I know that not too long ago its goodness was treated as unquestionable, but you're definitely the odd one out these days on /pol/.
>>542302163>Poland, which has a much lower murder rate than white AmericansThe Polish murder rate is like 1/100k the White American murder rate is like 2/100k lmao
>>542302248Yeah man fuck manufacturing, immigration, and GDP, AI posts on social media are the important part
>>542302163> And you brought up Poland, which has a much lower murder rate than white Americans.Well of course. It’s an ethnic European nation with a history, coherent people, culture and religion. None of that exists here. In addition, 40-50% of the ((white)) Americans aren’t even ethnic Europeans. They’re shitskin jews, Latinos, pajeets, mixed, the list goes on. You’re attempting to compare apples to oranges. We barely have any actual White Americans left anymore at all.
>>542301874>The unilateral control over true nuclear first strike capability is probably the greatest moment of potential global domination that has ever been at a nations' fingertips in the history of our speciesOkay, but the Soviets had nukes long before Kennedy was president.>Is it an unthinkable decision with terrible implications and consequencesSo is murdering hundreds of millions of people.>This was often referred to as "the Missile Gap".Not really. The missile gap was Kennedy's own slogan to attack Nixon/Eisenhower, and it didn't apply to nukes.>Also, we won no brownie points by giving away the most valuable strip of land on earth with South America. It only looked weak. We took it, we built it, and we gave it away like retards.We did. The Panamanian hostility towards us died down and we're close allies to this day.
>>542301923No one ITT has said they hate men or white people. I'm literally a white man.
>>542302312What the hell are you talking about? You people had your moment with Ron Paul. It's been downhill for a decade. The Tea Party lost.
>>542302284You don't just get to say that like it's an obvious fact that doesn't need to be supported anymore. Justify why you think central banking can somehow be a force for good.
>>542302392>40-50% of the ((white)) Americans aren’t even ethnic EuropeansWhat the fuck are you talking about
>>542302284> and with power comes the power for destruction, but used properly it's an undeniable good.It’s never used properly and has only been used since its inception to harm the American people and engage in gigantic civilization eugenics engineering bullshit like we live with. The detractors of the contemporary time when setting up the Federak reserve was being argued said it would end up like this. It’s always used for evil and to hurt us.
>>542302377The other Anon already covered that part thoughbeit
>>542302501I mean yeah we've had incredible economic growth since the 1910s. We're insanely rich. I think I'll stick with the system that got us here.
>>542302480You globohomo jew leftists do by default. You lying and pretending you don’t doesn’t fool anyone anymore either. It’s all your kind has ever engaged in. Nobody believes you’re a White dude. You don’t even have enough self esteem to humanize yourself and us by capitalizing it.
>>542302567How did he betray his voter base? I won't say the Iran war is great, but everything domestic has been fantastic.
>>542302484>muh lolberts goyim Who the fuck actually comes to /pol/ to shill the jew central bank fed
>>542302533>It’s never used properlyNigger we have the highest GDP per capita of any large country in the world. I would say it was used properly.
>>542302519>What are you talking about The very real phenomenon that all kinds of various shitskins who aren’t ethnic Europeans are counted as “White” by our census and other Globohomo systems, when those people themselves are the first to say they aren’t White.It enables disingenuous lefty ethnic European hating pieces of shit like you to lie and pretend there are large numbers of us around, when there are not.
>>542302436Having nukes is not the same as being completely outmatched as a matter of strike capability. The soviet strategic bomber fleets were comparatively few in number, took a long time to activate, had more or less been located, and were not particularly capable. At the time their actual in-range ICBM capacity was almost non existent. Meanwhile the US's startegic bomber fleet was massive, much readied, and altogether superior in every way. The US actually had some ICBM capacity and had identified most societ facilities thanks to spy plane programs. JCoS staff wanted a strike. Glowies wanted a strike.. everyone with the information knew it had to be done. The honest, now declassified, estimate of the losses for a well-conducted first strike in approx 62 were like 50-100 million soviet and 1 million american. I implore you to research the actual capacity of the two sides the gap was stark at that juncture. Simply having a bomb, even numerous, doesnt really mean anything in and of itself. >Can you endure a first strike and have enough capacity to inflict enough damage to make it not worth attempting.That is all that matters. And between about 1955 to 1965 the answer for the soviets was "no." With the gap peaking about 61-62ish.
>>542302484>What the hell are you talking about?Look around, there have been a bunch of anons who pointed to Wilson for the worst president ever in this thread, and the Federal Reserve is always the first reason why. There are only two anons who have said it's good, and you're one of them. Neither of you have provided any arguments, probably because you're so used to it being so sacred an institution that you don't have to.>You people had your moment with Ron PaulWe have our moment whenever people talk about inflation.>>542302638Is that really your argument? That because economic growth hasn't completely stopped the Fed must be great? I'm sure that if the Great Depression had never ended your argument would be that at least the Federal Reserve is around or the Depression would be so much worse.>>542302697It's hilarious, lolberts are now winning so hard we've managed to convince even the natsocs and lefties to be skeptical of central banking. The only people who still believe in central banking wholeheartedly are boomers who can't imagine anything else.
>>542302814Like who? Arabs? That's just because they're a small population, but they're getting their own category in 2030. Jews? Ashkenazi Jews are genetically European, they cluster with Greeks and Sicilians.
>>542302750> highest GDP per capita>yes goy you can’t afford food, transportation, a family, place to live, education or the ability to take part in society>but these imaginary inflation numbers the Fed puts out means you’re all far more wealthy than you can possibly imagine Lmfao
>>542302942>That because economic growth hasn't completely stopped the Fed must be great?The fact that we've had incredible sustained economic growth since it was started means that it can't be that bad.
>>542301109Trump isn't technically super bad but he failed on every vibes check that a good president should be1) Bad ally to the world and lost allies not gained more2) Zero respect from enemies or allies3) Did not respect American Values or laws and did the one sin presidents cannot do which is using the office to get rich4) Tore down multiple federal buildings which is desecration of public property5) Did not protect the interior i.e. selling federal/public lands6) Did not prepare well to defeat Iran and bungled every aspect of the war7) Its yet to be seen but eventually bond rates will crash the stock marketHis policy to future proof our country was genius and our lead in AI Compute will keep us at the forefront when Trump dies so it will probably not be that bad at the end its break even. Still break even is bad when you consider Bill Clinton did his own wars and had Dot Com Boom and managed that scenario to massive wealth and no deficits.Basically, Trump is literally Evil Bill Clinton its kind of scary how close they are now that I think about it.
>>542303001>The fact that we've had incredible sustained economic growth since it was started means that it can't be that bad.We had sustained economic growth at a much higher rate during the so called "Gilded Age".
>>542296751you have to be a fucking retard gorilla fucking nigger
>>542302315It's higher than that, as is general crime. As I already said, blacks add to overall crime, but this would still be the case even if they remained segregated. >>542302644I don't capitalize white or black. That is just sad cope by racially insecure people.
>>542302691He betrayed the American people--not just his voter base--by inside trading and selling out to the small hat wearers.>but everything domestic has been fantastic.Yeah everything giga-inflating is fucking fantastic. C'mon, dude.
>>542302970>actually goyim shitskin sandniggers and kikes are White ethnic Europeans just like you No, they’re Semitic peoples who speak Semitic languages and proclaim to be Semites. Nothing about that has ever been European. You just hate ethnic Europeans. You don’t see me trying to claim pajeets, abbos and niggers are the same thing because they have similar skin shadesI can pull my head out of my ass and realize they’re completely different peoples
>>542303001> we've had incredible sustained economic growth since it was startedIs the wild economic windfall in the thread with us right now? For those of us who live in the real world, your statement is the polar opposite of the truth.
>>542302989>foodWe spend an incredibly low percent of our income on food compared to other countries>transit is not expensive (although gas will be until this war ends)>a family is the same as it's always cost. Childcare is high, sure, but you can have one parent stay home. If you aggressively invest in your 20s and have kids around 30s it'll work just fine>educationCosts maybe 40k for four years of college without any scholarships if you go in state?>a place to liveOnly high because of diversity. Houses are actually cheap, the problem is that only a few areas are nice and those houses are expensive. That's not the fed's fault.>the ability to take part in societyWhat the fuck does this mean
>>542297502>lumping these two complete opposite presidents together
>>542303100Inflation is 3.5%
>>542303233>muh CPRkek
>>542303025>lists items only retard globohomo jew leftists would ever care about >mentions none of the items Trump’s voting base cared about I see what u did there
>>542303071> That is just sad cope by racially insecure people.Why don’t you go push your ideology at the globohomo jew lefty media outlets that capitalize every IdPol class but ours then, and leave us alone?
>>542303286>CPR*CPIMan that was embarrassing.
>>542296751Obama. In 2014, when Putin committed aggression against Ukraine and was taking away Crimea, Obama didn't lift a finger to help Ukraine defend the peninsula or prevent the start of the war in the east of the country. When Obama had all the tools at his disposal to counter this, he instead enabled him. I very clearly remember Obama's statement in early March 2014 that he, as President of the United States, was not going to do anything to prevent or stop Russia's aggression in Ukraine.
>>542303286What do you think is worse? Housing is lower than it was in Q1 2024. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ASPUSGas is about the only thing that's actually higher, and that'll go down eventually.
>>542296751#1: Joe Biden#2: Barack Obama#3 Jimmy Carter#4 Lyndon B. Johnson#5 William Henry Harrison
>>542299403The collapse of the USSR was a multi‑factor process: Gorbachev's internal reforms, falling oil prices, Chernobyl, and national movements in the republics. Reducing it solely to 'active US actions' is reductionism.Even with American superiority, the US could not guarantee the destruction of all Soviet missiles. The risk of a retaliatory strike was real. USAID and 'soft power' became significant only after the collapse of the USSR, in the 1990s. In the 1980s, the main instrument of pressure was the arms race under Reagan (SDI).
>>542301144>Wilson was the worstCHECKED
>>542303549>What do you think is worse? Housing is lower than it was in Q1 2024.Kek, You're channeling Pam Bondi while she's still alive. Then again Biden did the same thing "what do you mean the economy is bad? See, hot dog buns are down".>Gas is about the only thing that's actually higher, and that'll go down eventually.Uh huh. I don't even need to argue about this because I know that even you don't seriously believe it.>>542303512Kek, good one.
>>542303200Did you just fly in from 1973 or some retarded shit?
>>542303850Any objections?
>>542303850Who do you trust more, FRED or your vibes?>I don't even need to argue about this because I know that even you don't seriously believe itJust like gas went down eventually after the Russia-Ukraine war started, gas will eventually drop. Do you have the memory of a goldfish?
>>542303925What am I wrong about?
>>542303797> USAID and 'soft power' became significant only after the collapse of the USSR, in the 1990s. In the 1980s, the main instrument of pressure was the arms race under Reagan (SDI).Correct. Which is why attempting to help globohomo, or help it return to some unipolar moment in the world is retarded. All they did was destroy the American people and their own empire the moment they had a chance
>>542303131Are Finns Asian? They speak an Asiatic language and have Siberian genetic roots?
>>542303936You're not going to get me to take the bait, you went too hard too early.>>542303967>hurr durr econometrics sayEven vibes and tea leaves are more reliable than FRED. Give me a praxeological argument for how prices could return to pre-war levels in an inflationary economy.
>>542304256>how prices could return to pre-war levels in an inflationary economy.Because it's not an inflationary economy retard. Gas is the only thing that's up. Housing is steady and CPI is 3.5%
>>542296751Obama and Trump should both be at least Top 3.
>>542303025Trump is very hard to evaluate- on one hand, he is probably the only true high level demogogue to inhabit the office... as a result he has personally (albeit perhaps unintentionally) caused a great acceleration of partisanship, general dysfunction in institutions, a love/hate spreading of controversy and general infection of society and politics with a polarization and sense of enmity, he had singlehandedly destroyed much of the so called decorum of politics and discourse, he has fomented a great overreaction due to his indecorus and controversial charisma which has resulted in a great loss of credibility hy so called arbiter/safety net institutions aka media and the judiciary, he has arguably initiated a partisan spiral of high level political prosecution, etc etc. Also he is single handedly responsible TWICE for keeping the US firmly in the column of "Never Had a Woman Leader." He single handedly destroyed multiple high level political dynasties (Clinton and Bush) and showed a crash course for usurping an entire political party structure. On the other hand, his actual governings and policy has been somewhere between good, well intentioned but ineffectual, and outright bad on any given topic. So ge is very hard to rate. Definitely not in the bottom ten though.
>>542303995Everything. Every statement you made has never once been real in my lifetime. It was a glorified marketing claim in my father’s lifetime, when there was a bit of truth to it. There are dozens of millions of homeless, underhoused and hungry Americans, people who were born here and have worked all their lives. You’re sucking the fed off and saying everything is magical. Fuck off kike
>>542303025>vibes checklmao
>>542304094>the existence of Uralic languages in Europe means that Semitic peoples are ethnic Europeans What?
>>542304488The Uralic languages originally come from Asians. Finns are Uralic. Therefore they must be ethnically Asian. That's the argument you're making with Jews.
>>542304327> Because it's not an inflationary economy retard.We haven’t had real economic growth for decades. It’s all jewish fiat inflationary bullshit Why the fuck would we be 40 trillion in debt if that weren’t the case? It was planned you kike
>>542304388>won't somebody think about the POOR 90IQ CRACKHEADS???
>>542304589Debt to GDP was about the same as it is now back in 1946. We'll be able to recover if we just cut welfare and social security and trust the process.
>>542304327>Because it's not an inflationary economy retard.So are you saying that the money supply is stable or contracting?>Gas is the only thing that's up. Housing is steady and CPI is 3.5%If I didn't accept your econometric arguments the first time, I'm sure to gobble them down if you just repeat them! Even if I were to accept the metrics, which I don't, you're conflating price inflation with monetary inflation. I know it's a standard trick of Keynesians and Friedmanites to just pretend M2 increasing isn't inflation, but nobody buys that here. You're like Marxists who just try to redefine capitalism as being everything bad in the world, and then act like they won the argument.
>>542296751That mother fucker Truman ruined this country by letting kikes have a place on this earth. Every nigger that came after has been a kike sock puppet mouth piece kike lover or killed by kikes. picrel if you think otherwise faggot.
>>542303512>Obama didn't lift a finger to help Ukraine defend the peninsula or prevent the start of the warand mind you, this is after pootin's aggression in Georgia and the annexation of Abkhasia and North Osetia. He even did a diplomatic "reset" with pootin, which signaled to kremlin that it can do whatever it wants going forward.
>>542304549Uralic languages come from the Urals, a place not exactly in East Asia. They’ve been present in Europe for over 1600 years now. Are we supposed to believe Hungarians aren’t ethnic Europeans because they speak a Uralic language too? You’re trying to be a kike and argue there is something European or ethnic European about Semitic peoples, languages and religions. There simply isn’t, they’re middle eastern and North African peoples and have been all throughout recorded history. They have religions which center on places outside of Europe
>>542303797The glowies and US military intelligence were well aware that even a perfect first strike could not eliminate ALL soviet response, again their reports on this are now public record. But they concluded the gap was large enough that american losses would be acceptable given the gravity of what was at stake- unilateral nuclear supremacy of the world. And indeed if you find early nuclear proliferation interesting, you don't have to do a deep dive to realize quickly that the gap in strategic bomber fleets and ICBMs in the early 60s was very very stark. The conclusions of US intelligence were later corroborated by released soviet intelligence which came to light after the collapse. Anyways, the plan was to walk into a scenario where a first strike could be plausible through crises in Cuba or Asia. And interestingly with the Cuban missile crises even with JFK in office they very very nearly duck walked him into it. We now know that the Kremlin had given Societ naval forces command to respond aggressively in the event of a direct US strike on installations, and JFK was extremely close to authorizing that.
>>542304715we will be able to recover if we reacquire all assets spent on the kike country and genocide them all out of existence immediately.
>>542304819Are Sicilians European?
>>542304338ok nigger
>>542304897All time aid to Israel is about 300$ billion, but most of that has been spent on U.S. contractors. So like 30$ billion. Is that going to fix the 40 trillion debt?
>>542305023nigger its a start, not to mention ousting all the kikes in our government right now like the fat orange nigger.
>>542305090And what should we replace him with? Why don't you want to cut minority welfare?
every president that has kissed the fucking wall is the problem
>>542304837There are no declassified documents in which American or Soviet intelligence ever described losses in the millions of lives as 'acceptable'. Soviet intelligence did not 'confirm' the findings of American intelligence — on the contrary, the Soviet leadership feared an American first strike. For example, the declassified 1995 study 'Soviet Intentions, 1965–1985' showed that American analysts exaggerated Soviet aggressiveness and underestimated Moscow's fears of an American attack.
>>542305153You fucking faggot, putting words in my mouth. I bet you're a kike too. Why don't you want to cut minority welfare? dumb nigger.
>>542296751The illuminate literally killed Lincoln
>>542305153How about anyone who doesn't worship abrahamic faggotry.
>>542304897Best plays right now for the US: >1. Venezuela. That place is a literal gold mine the likes of which cannot be overstated. The US has to basically get a big cut (this used to be the case btw before Maduro et al). That is not a minor thing either it is a major macro tier victory if possible. I believe trump is genuinely attempting this to his credit but idk how long lasting it will be. >2. Kneecap anyone dependent on ME oil and extort europe over fuel dependency. This is tricky though. Because if you half ass it, you are going to just endure a bad global economy as the global market is able to adjust to other oil sources long term. To make this work you have to literally and rapidly kneecap anyone dependent on middle eastern oil (Asia) and thereby collapse the global economy with the assumption you will come out better than they. >3. Foment actual conflict with MexicoYou do this to basically open up using military and actual national security crisis powers to deport Mexican nationals etc. without the red tape of the courts and normal domestic immigration mechanisms.
>>542296751Barry sotorro
>>5422967511. Woodrow Wilson2. LBJ3. Eisenhower 4. FDR5. Obongo
>>542305344Whatever you say, retarded nigger.
>>542299036Took way too long for someone to say WW as number 1 worst of all time
>>542296751>Lincoln top 5 worstlazy Nigger importer hands typed this post
Grant In my honest opinion should be one the teir of best presidents considering he is underrated. Say what you will about the man's drinking but he knew what a problem the Jews would become. He did everything legal and short of exile to strip them of power.
>>542305213The June 1961 NSC and JCoS declassified projections based on SIOP 62 are available and they do provide actual projections and are available in the NSC archive. Their projections estimated 108 million soviet deaths, and the reports of 1961 NSC planning by Harold Brown and Air Force Chief Thomas White detailed american losses ranging from 3 million up to 13 million. On the flip side Soviet intelligence gives no projection but did corroborate the vast and one sided gap in strike capability. Increasing fear of a first strike in the early 60s due to losses being percieved by the United States as legitimately acceptable. This can be seen in now available Warsaw pact planning material and Khrushchev’s private deliberations.
>>542296751which one of them ever confronted jewish power?
>>542296751Worst 5 Presidents>Sleepy Joe>Obama>Grant>Harding>Peanut ManPicrel
>>542304715> We'll be able to recover Who’s we? The American people have largely been erased and replaced
>>542304947>im gonna be a jew and keep trying 500 different ways to argue Semitic peoples are somehow ethnic Europeans No.
>All presidents have a "strike" list of targets that will be nuked in the event of World War III, however only Eisenhower's list has been declassified. It shows hundreds of targets in the USSR and China that were to be bombed. The latter would be nuked even if it remained neutral in a US-Soviet conflict since it was assumed in the '50s that the PRC was a satellite state of Moscow.[3]
>>542306879You didn't answer the question. Are Sicilians European?
>>542306221Yeah globohomo jews have been bloodthirsty forever
>>542304837That was true. Soviet defense capabilities in 1962 were weak, in part because Khrushchev had downscaled their conventional forces in favor of his missiles-first philosophy. They had nothing they could really hit the US with while the USSR was surrounded on three sides by American nukes and if a war had happened it would be a pretty sadly one-sided conflict that ended with most major Soviet cities turned into glowing green slag.
>>542306940Of course they are. But you’re going to argue that means Semitic peoples are somehow ethnic Europeans because some Semites intermixed and raped the people who lived in Sicily at the time. Nothing about Semitic cultures, languages, peoples or religions is European.
>>542307119So they're genetically European but not ethnically European? Make that make sense.
>>542296751>Washington>Adams>Jefferson>Madison>Monroewithout them there's none of the other chumps
