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Why are women everywhere no longer desiring children?
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>Women cause problem
>Punish the men
I thought China was supposed to be smart.
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China was doing forced abortions (including up to birth) until 2016 in their eagerness to promote the one child policy

Reap what you sow, CCP
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>>542335142
Feminism is hard-coded into communism.
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>>542335142
Chemically-induced mental infertility
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>>542335142
>Talks about recent developments
>Shows graph ending 3 years ago
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>>542335142
Because men arent earning significantly more than them
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Government interference in the family, also childhood brainwashing turning people into hedonists
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You weren't supppsed to allow women to read. Now they're men who are just weaker and emotional.
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>>542335142
The problem with science is that it does not always see so good from where it is at at the moment.

The problem with religion is that it cannot see anything but itself.

Have you ever thought that maybe that life is telling us there are too many of us?


Other species have fewer offspring, or go into temporary sterility in response to the environmental conditions they are in.

Why is it surprising that human beings would want to have fewer children, when it is so difficult to have them?

It could be something as simple as the stress one feels reduces the desire for sex, and the ability to procreate.
I mean, isn't the testosterone levels of everyone going down? Isn't the age at which people have children going up? Isn't the number of children women have going down?

We should probably listen.
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Chads need to step up and marry a harem of these women. Childs should never get married, dont be completely stupid, don’t pay taxes, kick back and shitpost and wait for the inevitabile
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sell annoying women
import hot 16 yo slavegirls
castle for each man
flibe.com and atlantropabeing implemented in china!
deport kill or get rid of annyoing women
kill academics
kill jew
burn university n shcool
have royal combine of engineering
red light replaced with 1 lane road circle
hydrogen burning dymaxion car stirling engine
chian should buy greenarrays.com for beter big tek
end trade
make own country paradise for men
all those uppity girls kill or sell to india as slaves
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Who gives a fuck about the birthrates anymore. Once the boomers die the population pyramid gets way less extreme anyways.
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the only arguments for reproduction
on the level of the state
>we need tax slaves (rational)
on the level of companies
>we need consumers (rational)
on the level of the individual
>jesus said so in the biblerino (irrational)
>muh instincts (irrational)
there are no rational arguments for reproduction on the level on the individual
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>>542335717
>muh instincts (irrational)
Kek
So broken
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>>542335775
instincts are by definition irrational, they are not result of reasoning (ratio)
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Making PowerPoints for £60k a year is preferable to modern foids
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>>542335142
Because the herd is telling them not to.

They literally only do what other women tell them to do.
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>>542335142
>nobody wants kids anymore
Millions of npcs everywhere. What is the point of your slop argument?
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>>542335917
Again, you are broken
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>>542335486
Every modern man is a coward or controlled.
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>>542336051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0C7pyNzpg8
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>>542336074
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>>542335142
one income was enough to house and feed a pretty to very large family depending on what social class you were in.
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>>542336100
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>>542336137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0CFOvZ2ZwA
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>>542336024
i accept your concession
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>>542335142
>give freedom to women
>give them means to earn money without procreating
>how could this happen?
Idk bro turns out "facists" were right
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>>542335142
Lol no one wants to live in modern globalist states.
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>>542335142
that isn't bad though, retard. wtf is wrong with you deranged faggots?
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why do you care if people are having kids or no?

this planet sucks ass man, accept that we dont want to live in it anymore
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>>542335142
>Why
Mouse utopia
Read
>Population saturated
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>>542335142
Because you have retirement plans and whole society gives money to old people who had no kids, so there is completely zero incentive to have kids if you do not want them.
It is completely not about women being educated or working, but bunch of clinically retarded morons here constantly cry that it is the problem. While societies where women have no rights but have retirement plans also have problems with birth rates.
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>China is cooked! fr fr
>look inside
>its some American posting from a post white civilization
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>>542335200
Women didn't cause this, you fucking retard. Women don't want children with manchildren. They want real men.
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>>542336312
they're slaves to their biology and their jewish masters demanding they create more slaves.
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>>542335142
almost as if none of those things are the actual cause
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>>542336315
And all the while some conniving jew is sitting over them running his unnatural, monstrous experiment.
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>>542336361
>>542336361
>Women didn't cause this, you fucking retard. Women don't want children with manchildren. They want real men.
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>>542336321
I think feminism contributes but a lot of it is rural vs urban economics.

In rural societies having lots of kids is an economic benefit - they work in your farm and are you retirement plan in old age.

In urban societies having kids is an economic drain - you pay to house and feed them and maybe pay for their education - then they move out and do their own thing and you're expected to sort out your own retirement, or the state pays for it.

The only reason to have kids these days is sentimental or ideological reasons. It's no surprise that people who don't feel strongly drawn to having lots of kids or see it as a religious duty are having less kids, or none at all.
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>>542336361
>Women didn't cause this
>Women don't want children
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>>542335142
it is female higher education, you can clean the data for it
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>>542335142
Covid vax infertility was a psyop to get women to take it.
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>>542336567
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>>542336744
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>>542335142
capitalism

capitalists exploit people so hard for benefits in the short term, that they are forcing a long-term crisis through induced infertility. capitalism will always tend towards demographic collapse. and unlike the demographic collapse of the 14th century, this won't accelerate technological development because there is no labor shortage: they can just import labor and/or offshore to countries where wages are low

the only solution to this is to make child-bearing an actual job with a salary paid by the state. women shouldn't have to get married to have children, it should be a career like any other because they are producing something useful for society. this is the same reason why public school exists: it gives a service for the whole of society. of course, the capitalists will never accept to this, specially not as long as migrant labor is an option. only socialists countries will ever be able to implement anything like this
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the data is out, it is female higher education
anybody who doesn't state it plainly as primary cause is lying to you

anybody who formulates this still as a question is working against it
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>>542336051
>Every modern man is a coward or controlled.
>>542336074
>>542336100
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>>542335142
governments will ban fucking everything except women voting

ban women from voting, ban women from the internet, tell them to shut the fuck up, learn to cook and clean, and suck dick

the first industrialized nation to do this because the world's sole superpower in like 5 years, it's literally that fucking simple
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>>542336801
>pay me to have kids
We literally already do that you fucking retarded motherfucker and it doesn't work
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>>542336960
>the first industrialized nation to do this because the world's sole superpower in like 5 years
this is true, I spoke with chinese about it but they will not fuck with gaokao

russia is legacy commietarded so even with the need for it they don't it
the US ironic is the best positioned due to their religtards
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>>542335142
>China is COOKED
Why does everyone pretend like the CCP wouldn't just start mass rounding up women and throwing them in government breeding centers against their will if push came to shove?
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>>542336961
Yes it does, just not with smart people. Do you think anyone is entitled to those?
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>>542336801
>women shouldn't have to get married to have children

Kids raised without fathers become dysfunctional fuck ups at a much higher rate than kids raised by two parents.
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>>542335917
>eating shit is disgusting
>the disgust is instinctual
>instinct is irrational
>(you) will eat a bucket of shit
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>>542337059
Push has come to shove in 2026 looks like you were wrong and china is losing the cold war bro
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>>542337103
We are in /pol/ you already know what I think, why we haven't set up our own government to benefit us alone god only knows.
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>>542337127
>chobol can't rationalize not eating shit
sasuga...
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>>542337126
A sizeable minority of people have mostly problems that come from dysfunctional families. Why are dysfunctional families never addressed? The conversation always gets derailed to straight vs. gay people or single mothers vs. single fathers. What about all the moronic loser couples that stay together and abuse their kids in tandem? Aren't they causing the most damage?
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>>542337127
Yeah this. I don't know why it's gotten to the point where people dismiss EVERYTHING natural as an "appeal to nature" fallacy. Some of the instincts you have are there for a very good reason, and can be trusted, oftentimes trusted more than modern science.
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>female emancipation, contraceptives and advanced healthcare happened past ww2 (all good things btw, if you argue against this then you are an idiot)
>society has plenty of services to support a no-kids lifestyle and women would rather avoid experiencing that body-destroying shit if they can
>the majority of men are retarded ugly freaks that no woman will ever be sexually attracted to and we don't live in times when you could just coerce some bitch into being with you due to total financial dependecy
that's literally it
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>>542335142

Women are fast becoming totally useless.
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>>542337421
it is female higher education, situation in iran, north korea, saudi, sweden, china all tell you it is the single leading cause
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>>542335142
They don't want to work, but they also don't want to be poor as a housewife.
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>>542336074

Yet if you drill down and tell the system to identify the exact thing women learn to make them not want to have children they cannot identify it.
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People are too busy following rules to do anything like building a family
Avoiding fines and saving face is a full time job, and don't you dare complain about it or the CP will come arrest you
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>>542337134
This. China has the highest percentage of female top executives in the world now. You’re more likely to see them grow little changs in artificial wombs than you are to see them get rid of feminism. It’s a core Marxist tenant
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>>542336104
The 50s were not trad. The SAHM is not trad. Go into actually trad agricultural areas of SEA and women are working - helping out in the paddies, doing side gigs like food stands, all sorts of shit to bring in cold hard cash tonthe household. The SAHM is a "kept woman" in trad terms, and that was reserved for the rich.
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>>542336321
White pill: it's women's education
Black pill: fertility starts to crash if yoi educate women to an elementary school level

Most e-right misogynists do not actually think women should be illiterate.
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>>542335142
>women everywhere
You mean white and white adjacent women, right 1pbdid glownigger?
This problem doesn't appear to affect shitskins and kikes, in the nations of which feminism isn't pushed as rabidly, because the very idea is for them to breed and spread like the plague.
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>>542335142
>Going to Trust Kike media for China news
K
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>>542338030
No, most of Latin America and SEA are below replacement. I think Sub Saharan Africa is the only region still above replacement.
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>>542336321
Okay, what age do people need to be killed?
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>>542337513
The question for young men is quickly becoming, "What's the point of keeping a bunch of useless, evil whores around?" Women should start thinking about this as an existential problem for them, because it is.
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>>542336514
Timmies always rape women’s bodies in the morgues and funeral parlours so it’s probably better she just decomposed at home.
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>>542336801
In the socialist worker's utopia of the USSR, birthrates cratered as well.
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>>542336961
"we" do not: there was a controversy like 15 years ago because it was technically possible for a mother to receive something close to the minimum wage by having 7 children, and only people in the most destitute poverty ever did that. that's not enough, it should be minimum wage for having and raising 1, at least for the first 6 years until the kid can go to primary school. and obviously more money for subsequent children, on a logarithmic function

if you ask people to make food for you, it's obvious that you have to pay them. now you're asking them to produce a labor force for you... but you don't want to pay them to do that! it doesn't make sense
>but how do I know that the kids will work FOR ME and not for someone else?
you don't, but some will, that's why it should be a socialized cost, like basic education. companies crowdfund the education of the future workforce through the state because there is no way of knowing where those children will work in the future

>but society can't afford that!
lets say we go back to the time when women didn't work: the work of a single man produced enough to
1. feed the man himself
2. feed his wife and children
3. make a profit for his employer
in the modern times, (2) has been diverted towards (3) so women have to work and no one can afford children, even though productivity has skyrocketed. it follows that it should be possible to redirect (3) back towards (2) but this time through the state, as the nuclear family has proved too politically impotent to reproduce life
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>>542338141
The replacement rate is calculated starting with 2.1 children per woman as value.
That is disingenious, the real value for measuring should start at 1.5 or lower.
This jewish measuring hides a lot of shitskin countries as below replacement to mask the problem feminism is causing. Fucking india is considered below replacement as it is, and their population is projected to continue growing.
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>>542338377
they didn't implement anything like this because increasing birthrates was not an objective for them. east germany did implement some when the birthrates began to fall because they wanted to keep them around 1.5, here are the results:
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>>542338141
This. In the USA, Whites, especially conservative and Christian Whites, have the highest birthrates in the country and it’s not even close. In fact, CC Whites are now having more children than at any other point in the last 50 years. Any drop in fertility is due to liberals/ leftists choosing not to reproduce, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing, as epigenetics are real and behaviour is genetic.
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>>542337885
Exactly. "Trad" is basically agricultural society - women were expected to help out on the farm AND raise kids.
Women worked but they worked inside the home - they were economically tied to their husbands.

Post war 1950's America where women were sitting around watching soap operas and baking pies or whatever was historically abnormal and only because they were the only country that didn't have their industry destroyed by the war

Women working outside the home, having their own careers and being a competing economic class to men is what's historically abnormal and also ruining gender relations.
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>>542338560
>replies to post about the world situation with stuff about amrica
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>>542338560
I buy a lot of stuff from Amish communities explicitly for this reason. I'm German enough that it's like supporting my cousins. Many of them even look like my brother, kek.

I'm so fucking sick of hell world.
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>>542338012
>Most e-right misogynists do not actually think women should be illiterate.
Why not tho
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>>542335142
Because most men are losers who refuse to work hard. If men were chads then these women would be lining up to bear their children.
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>>542335142
too busy licking clit to compensate the shitty relationship they had with their mothers
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>>542338834
maybe they are aware enough of the obvious disadvantage:
imagine this was a game, and you had regular men, and then you had women, who were, say, 50% as productive. a society that can put those women to work, even if they aren't as productive as men, will have a 25% surplus over the society that doesn't, and will eventually out-produce them
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>>542335142
Capitalism. Basically economic anxieties that come with needing two incomes to afford a home make it so that women are less likely to want children. Sure, subjugating women and keeping them as free home labor helps ease that, but you could subjugate anyone for that. It's a moot point and people are generally against that.
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>>542335142
Why do more men than women want to have kids? Shouldn't this be opposite? That's kind of interesting
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>>542335142

BTW this is why if a Taiwan invasion is going to happen at all, it is going to happen within 10 years.
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>>542336361
Women created the conditions that led to those manchildren
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>>542338180
Why anyone should killed you enormous dysgenic nigger who cannot discuss intelectually without showing his nigger thinking patterns of a retard?
They will die on their own if there will be noone to feed them or they will have to work till they die if they do not have kids and do not want to die yet.
Or maybe bunch of jew worshippers will take care of them, because they love to take care of people, because they are sooo goood at heart and it will give them bonus points with Jewsus.
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>>542335142
Give one good reason why women should want children, especially with chinks
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>>542339304
As Pearl Jam was singing "admire me, admire my home, admire my son - he is my clone".
Men want children because we want to be surrounded by more people who are like us, and who is more like us than our own kids?

While women only care about their own pleasures (this is why female orgasm is far more intense than male) which are corellated with their ability to be fucked. And having a kid is a strain on the life of human fleshlight most women love to live. They also hate themselves and men, so they do not want to have someone who reminds them that once they were young or someone who could live better life than them.
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>>542339304
>>542339716
I think men have a stronger instinctive drive to build
Women are just baby machines, so it makes sense that their drive pretty much stops at "have huge fucking orgasms constantly" because in our natural state that would then fulfill their role as baby machine (limited abortions, no birth control)

If men don't have a legacy or a chance to start one, they instinctively know something is wrong and it's deeply unsettling, like if you went from living in the forest full of life to randomly waking up in the backrooms
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>>542335200
It is smart, they just dont go hard enough. Imagine if every time a woman committed adultery, her father/brother/male guardian was executed. The hoe problem would be fixed in a few months simply because cucks and simps would go extinct.
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>>542335142
Clearly women should not have a say on this matter.
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>>542335142
Didn't Chinese men had a movement for like a decade now where they just opted out and adopted a minimalist lifestyle while giving the gov a middle finger?
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>>542340036
>they instinctively know something is wrong and it's deeply unsettling
I feel this and that's why I'm more depressed than ever. I also feel abandoned by society and unloved. I don't think I was really ever loved that much or maybe that's just mental illness distorting my view on things. Being a male is terrible. I wish I was born 20,000 years ago. I don't give a fuck if I die from a cut on the forehead, one day would be more infinitely meaningful and full of wonder than an entire lifetime of living in the modern dogshit dystopian jewish controlled world. I would have people who genuinely would have my back, and I would have theirs. I would have fucked so many women by my age too, because logically incels could not exist back then. Population sizes were far too small to sustain 80% of men in the group being sexless. It was a better time for women too, they had over a 100 people to help them raise their kids, not just one guy who could turn out to be a shitty partner. Paternity was not a matter to be considered. This world used to be a fucking paradise.
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They were breeding *more* during the 1 child era, grim
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>>542340307
In Chinkland it's called "lying flat" and in Nipland it's called "herbivore men"

Not sure if it's effective or anything, every government seems to just hate men
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>>542335142
oh this is a multi-faceted issue one technology has empowered hypergamy and hedonism, society as we've built it is deeply unnatural and has destroyed the family unit, modern society is highly individualistic and competitive you're not look for a potential life partner anymore everyone around you is fighting you for a job position, for a raise, to get ahead of you financially we've adopted a lifestyle that totally usurps everything in favor of your ego and greed, thats not conducive to family making, you're not going to legislate this problem away you have to stop culture warring the genders on social media which is another issue that goes across borders, its destroying lives and stopping lives from being born and is one of the single most destructive thing to come around since we split the atom.
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>>542335142

>Colorful graph

>extraordinary claims about Chyna

>post no evidence

>spiteful women waiting for Chad/Chang = Not wanting children
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>>542335142
it's bullshit. i lived in china for 10 years and only met 3 women who don't want kids.
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>>542336927
>>1/3rd of younger women in Japan are virgins
Dream society.
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>>542338633
>Women worked but they worked inside the home - they were economically tied to their husbands.
They work outside the house quite a bit. I am begging you to actually learn about the world. Tradlife fucking sucks. It's why every Amish sect allows washing machines, and why rural women in the third world leap at the opportunity to work in sweatshops instead of the fields.
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>>542340469
>I also feel abandoned by society and unloved
That's an accurate assessment. Society has abandoned us. I spent my entire 20s learning to program, became lead author of a paper, worked in several labs. I'm supposed to have power by now, as in some organization somewhere should be giving me money to do my own research, or at the very least any job I'm working should be paying me enough money to start a family and buy a home. But you will only get told that you're not skilled enough or not trying enough or don't have the right degree. Ignore all of that. You're better than the current society.

My parents died when I was a teen, so I am intimately familiar with the idea that I'm supposed to somehow shoulder all of the responsibility of civilization despite nobody helping, me and everyone somehow thinking that I, as a man, have too many advantages already, and somehow everything is also my fault.

I'm not sure what the solution is. You should be eating healthy, sleeping right, and working out consistently. Get a job to pay the bare minimum bills and spend everything extra on something like silver, and also yourself. There are niche careers still out there but they're hard to find. Stuff like "guy who repairs weird medical machines" and things like that.
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>>542339539
Once there are millions of elderly homeless in the streets you will simply demand we kill them. You are the nigger here.
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>>542335142
>Extreme authoritarianism
Stopped reading there, whatever comes next can only be a retarded take.
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>>542339716
I will disagree with you when it comes to orgasm - what you said is not true. Men's orgasm is more intense, but it's shorter and men want to fuck way more often than women that's why so many guys are addicted to porn and masturbation and that's biological, because the probablity of fertilization is quite low
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>>542335233
The one child policy is severely overstated and was only enforced in certain provinces. The real problem is that they are commies and feminism is gender communism. Jaywalking affects your social credit score, while being a single mother doesn't. Simple as.
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China has succeeded in producing their own nightmare: a generation of women without the earthly confucian virtues.

In the Christian world there is an escape. Or rather, the Christian world was always the escape. But in a society where all rewards are earthly, there is no straightforward way out of this breakdown. Didn't this happen years ago in Japan? What did they do?
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>>542341020
Oh, so you can have multiple fullbody orgasms with your dick for up to 30 minutes straight? And then go and do the same shit one hour later for the next 5 hours? Because women can.
Also men thinking and wanting sex more than women is a fucking fraud and meme. Women are just prudes officially and lie.
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>>542335142
Hypergamy and feminism.
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>>542337421
>Excuse women
>Blame men

Simps do this 100% of the time lol
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>>542335568
Natures signal to breed is being horny dumbfuck. Up until the last century that was all that was required. If you want to be serious about this discussion the two highest correlates to female infertility is #1 educational attainment and #2 is contraception/abortion. Ban education above high school for women as well as contraception and make abortion punishable and 90% of the problem is solved. The remainder is channeling resources to women through the male partner. We've been over this a million times and the only way that can happen is by ending democracy, womens #1 political cause around the world is sexual rights, for men it's more varied but usually economics. All we can do is work around the gynocentrism and lay the foundations for Hitler 2. Considering the US bond market, the disappearing yen carry trade and the biggest bubble in history being centered around AI castles in the sky we might actually see that happen in our lifetimes. Question is what shape things will take because similar conditions have also led to marxist tyranny.
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>>542340744
My ex broke up with me because she "wanted kids one day" yet she secretly aborted three of our kids together (two were twins) and didnt tell me until after we broke up. She kept the ultrasound pictures as proof. I was handsome and fit but had no career prospects.
Women want consequence free sex with fuckboys until theyre 40, then they want babies with a rich simp.
When a woman says she doesnt want kids, she really just means not yet or not with you.
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Why can't we just have less people?
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>every woman, no matter how ugly, stupid, or mentally ill should have kids
please let it end. with so many humans there has to be some sort of standards for reproduction
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>>542335142
>china's shekels per goyim number is toOtalLy cooked!!
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>>542335142
>ban everything men use to have fun
>impact women desire to have kids
How does that work
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>>542337885
No. Single income distributed across two 50% part time is where it's at in an urban setting.

Rural can do multi generational ranch/farm with everyone working when the fields/animals need it with different rest/activity periods etc.
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>>542341556
No you don't understand more people = higher GDP and that's all that matters to old people because they need so much resources from owning homes to elder care. We live in a giant ponzi scheme that takes from the young and gives to the old.
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>>542336361
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>>542335142
>don't want kids

Wanting and having kids has nothing to do with it.
this is a POOOOOOOOOOLL?
a POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL?

I'm poooooooooooooooollling

pools don't matter; hard data, if possible, please
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>>542335142
>(((line no up!)))
>good goys: noooooooooooo!

every free country will ultimately shrug and say:
>sucks for those guys who'll get old without kids, I guess.
Demography will catch its breath at some point.
>ie those deviants who don't want kids get removed from the gene pool

end of story
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>>542341640
* or one works, one stays at home. Either way that's what you need in the service/science/... economy the cities have, which is also very valuable regadles what the rural folks subjectively think of it and "lack of grit" or whatever. It wins economy and wars.

The rural life style with seasonal farming/ranching on big ranches does not fit this model. Even if itself also is "trad" and valuable that's not the only thing that needs to work.
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>>542335200
It's Pure Simp Logic. The simp is low test. Compared to a jock he is a runt. He will never best that jock in a fair fight nor a contest for the affections of a woman. His only way to get positive female attention is to tell endless white lies about women. This ideology eventually seeps into law and creates many privileges for women and punishments for men. When women get their own rights, money and privileges they are no longer interested in having children with all but the most elite of men. And sometimes not even elite men. Such behavior slowly kills empires because the one perversion sure to kill any people is when they stop reproducing in significant numbers. The lower birth rates are getting too obvious for even simps not to notice but women's privileges are deeply institutionalized and reversing them can happen until the Boomers are unable to vote or effect change. All developed societies are below replacement. Developing societies like in Africa are plunging rapidly thus won't be able to send off their people to everyone else like they did in the past several hundred years. Society will get very old, very quickly. Only Jews and white Liberals have trouble talking honestly about it. Whites need the right to discriminate back but all modern civilization for the last 60 to 70 years is designed to prevent exactly that.
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>>542341656
>more people = higher GDP
This video explains it pretty well why they have been flooding our countries with foreigners to paper over the population gap, ironically making the population gap worse. TL;DR - the government and elites grow and consume all the resources until society dies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5cMfyFqKmM
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>>542335142

Keep being retarded about birth rates and keep getting low birth rates.

The usual low IQ arguments:
-People don't want children, they prefer to do [something else]
-Men prefer to play video games to have children
-People prefer to have pets
-Poor people in the past had children so it's not a money issue
-We need to [stupid tax idea] so people make more children

All you can do is watch as <90 IQ people vote their way to extinction. If you want people to have children you have to shut down Federal Reserve. It really is that simple. Middle and Lower-Middle class need to regain agency. We need a goods based economy, not a centralized dystopia in which people can't predict what will happen beyond a year and a half.
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>>542335142
I see the problem.
Someone made the mistake in asking women what they want.
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>>542335142
Romania solved this problem pretty quickly back in the 1980s but it didn't exactly turn out well for the government. The only thing that works is banning all contraception. That's it.
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>>542341640
>Rural can do multi generational ranch/farm with everyone working when the fields/animals need it with different rest/activity periods etc.
It's fucking miserable which is why people flee to factory work, even sweatshops
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>>542342132
>We need a goods based economy, not a centralized dystopia in which people can't predict what will happen beyond a year and a half.
wat. goods based economies and whatever "currency" not stabilized by a central bank are notoriously difficult to trade and very unstable.
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>>542341520
If that’s true, that’s one of the most fucked up things I’ve heard in quite a while
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>>542342370
After agricultural machines it's not that miserable but they for a while just still had too many births.

At some level twice as many people can't earn well off the same 50 acres of land. They can survive, but not earn well. So yes population fluctuations need to be able to pick up manufacturing and service industry jobs.
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>>542335142
Why are OPs everywhere such fags who post slide threads?
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>>542337421

>the majority of men are retarded ugly freaks

Who chose the fathers, raised and taught the behavior of these ugly male majority freaks?

Womens lib has been around since the 60s. That's two generations of women's choice. And the majority of single mothers.
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>>542336361
1 and 5 are great, 3 is probably the absolute max id go for
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>>542336361
2 if the pant's aren't just holding it together.
3 or 5 otherwise.
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>>542339108
Women are net lifetime consumers though. They consume more than they produce. If it was a video game, they would be used for breeding 24/7 and then executed once they dry up, like animals in a farm.
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>>542335142
great source
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>>542337882
Interesting. I never hear about women running stuff in the ussr but idk if they had many companies to run
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>>542335142
>chinese women don't want kids
they want kids but they don't want to have them with the men who are available. a chinese woman will have a kid today if her husband is rich enough and her life is comfortable enough.
but the men they have to choose from are not a better option than drinking with other single women and going home to a cat, or being a fake lesbian so they have someone to talk to at night.
it's the fault of parents and high school, the men are just boys.
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>>542335676
Retard
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>>542335233
they'd just fine you. forced abortions happened in rural shit holes while most of the country just paid a fine and were given condoms to avoid it happening again. forced abortion is very grim, but the stories you hear of it are from rural farming places where the population were very poor, and shandong which just went ham with the wombhoovers.
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Yes birth rates are important on the national level, but as an individual you can pursue forming a family just fine. People just generally dont because they live in a city, housing is expensive, they're in an economy where money has accumulated to small percentage of people and elderly and any work you do is 90% about pushing the stock price of their holdings.
They have affordable entertainment with videogames so they make the only choice they have which is continue barely surviving while distracting themselves with cheap entertainment. But they Can decide to make compromises to get a family going.
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>>542335568
The problem with religion is that it DOESNT see themselves.
They don't see what God values and what their house of God(church) contributes to. They don't know what is or isn't sustainable. They don't know why Jesus whipped the money changers. They don't know how healthy their religion or children are. They aren't expanding the amount of churches, they are competing against their fellow Christians of the same sect.
They don't understand that churches are the place of learning and sharing, not repetition, not tithes that work against you as your church doesn't uplift the local community but third worlders instead. Churches are stuck in their old ways/destroyed brand names and are failing to keep up with even the Amish.

Christians/churches have gotten lazy and fat. They aren't strengthening understanding and truth. They are only trying to strengthen odebience or expected repetitions.
How many times does a verse get repeated in the Bible? Sure ideas rhyme, but literal word for word repeats? That's modern church, they have decided to stop learning and stop searching for truth. They don't care about young people meaningfully, only boomers that pay out better and make them feel like less of a failure.
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>>542336361
This is a tautology from your simp analysis since a real man is really just whoever a woman wants to treat as an atm.
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>>542338949
>Chad = good goyslave
lmao
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>>542341600
This, stop being so fucking dysgenic
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>>542338834
There's education for the free and there's education for the slaves.

The slaves which are the majority is educated to be slaves and not breed since they apparantly don't need more humans.
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>>542340526
>every government seems to just hate men
Hard redpill, government/state simps just won't admit it.
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>>542343544
The "dysgenic" people are the ones having kids
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>>542335142
Normal people everywhere can sense the world is overpopulated right now.
There are 50% more people living in the Netherlands today compared to the days of my grandparents. It would be unnatural if people still wanted to have kids.
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>>542342380
What currencies do you think are currently stable?
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>>542335142
China banned having more than one kid, and the Chinese people killed all their female children because they wanted a male heir. It's just not possible for them to have a high birthrate anymore. Maybe after another century of humiliation, they'll be able to.
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Reproduction runs counter to the new human goal of economic slavery. We will all go extinct with our profits and GDP statistics.
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>>542343707
Its not, thats entirely a perception that just comes from prices going up which simulates less resources and your most obvious answer is "i have to compete with too many people" but see the problem isnt that theres so many people, its that we have to compete and arent allowed to cooperate with other white men
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>>542335142
There's 8 BILLION humans on this planet and we've already wiped out entire species and ecosystems and are in the process of wiping ourselves out with carbon emissions as well.
WE DO NOT NEED MORE PEOPLE. The only problem here is figuring out how to reduce the African fertility rate.
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>>542342460
Not. It still is, even with mechanization. People hate agricultural labor and working for cheapass farmers that only pay seasonally.
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The majority of Women hate having kids and hate even having sex with men. They just want the tingly feeling from chad.

You HAVE TO regulste men and women's sexual behavior by an authoritsrisn regime following judaism unless you want your nation to die out
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>>542335676
based
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>>542343675
No shit, that's what makes the most money
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>>542335142
turns out giving women any sort of control over men leads them to doing the exact things men did kek

humans are just fucked and deserve extinction
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>>542343661
If a government or ruler sees its greatest subjects as potential enemies, it has already failed, and its collapse is inevitable.
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It will end up becoming a requirement that women have two kids before being allowed to enter the workforce.

If artificial wombs are ever developed, women are going to be instantly sidelined by every society on Earth, as their monopoly on reproduction will be instantly destroyed.
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>>542344007
>There's 8 BILLION humans on this planet and we've already wiped out entire species and ecosystems and are in the process of wiping ourselves out with carbon emissions as well.
>WE DO NOT NEED MORE PEOPLE. The only problem here is figuring out how to reduce the African fertility rate.
We know, we know. Face the wall, scum.
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>>542344518
The rich benefit from a higher population the most.
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>>542335283
>seize the means of reproduction
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>>542344629
>The rich benefit from a higher population the most.
>repackaged commie drivel from memflag
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>>542335142
Fear based news cycle
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>>542337208
instincts are natural rationalizations based on prior observational patterns immediately accessible via genetic memory. You are a retard that suggests he'd be paralyzed through analysis before getting mauled to death.
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>>542336361
5/3/1/2/4/6
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>>542344738
Is that pic the best you got? What is higher rent and lower wages from excessive competition? Why do you think the elites want immigration? The fact that the civilized peoples of Europe and the Far East are capable of fighting back against the insectification of the proletariat is precisely why they want to replace us, so focus on brutally executing the elites and deporting the foreigner instead of competing with subhumans in the rat race.
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>>542344902
Without the rat race, he would be out of a job. He'll do anything to preserve it. That's why things will never improve under his type of leadership.
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>>542340822
Trad life is really nice actually. It’s dysgenic mutants with a low IQ who struggle at basic living who hate it.
I worked on a ranch through my 20s very easy.
My IQ is 139 and I am not some narrow shouldered boyim like (You).

Trad has been ruined by people like you.
>twadwyfe is when you do da fahmings

Honestly the incel freaks of today deserve to be alone. I just hate that I also am a victim of hypergamy.
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>>542335142
such is the fate of the anti-Christian.
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>>542345080
I must also say farmers are typically stupid and ignorant.

There really are no true men left in the United States. Everyone is performative in some way.
We are a dysgenic country.
The only place where trad life exists is South Africa where your dodging niggers and wild animals.
Otherwise it’s fat fuck butter swilling hogs and idiot dorks who can’t speak right and think they deserve to live simply because they’re alive.
Fucking hate this country.
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>>542345080
If it's so nice, why do people in Isaan and the rural Philippines want to fuck off to Bangkok, Manila, or Cebu asap?
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>>542344902
>fighting back against the insectification of the proletariat is precisely why they want to replace us, so focus on brutally executing the elites
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Because this issue is like housing issue, can't be solved democratly, and even chinks aren't going hard in an authoritarian manner it just some regulations, so bringing muh authoritarian in here is useless. Meanwhile check countries where you can beat the shit out of a woman if she refuses or marry multiple ones and see their birthrates
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>>542345585
>>>542344902
>>fighting back against the insectification of the proletariat is

memeflags aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
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>>542335142
The game is over, as I am fond of saying.

The women won. They are in control of the eugenics program and the multi-trillion-dollar pussy reward system — a highly symbolic fertility ritual. But they are in control of much more than the reproductive apparatus. They control not only the men and government of the United States of America but through the power of pussy and the susceptibility of men and government officials, fiat currency manipulation by the Witches of Fiat Currency at the Federal Reserve System, a large army of simps and "backers" (this is a technically incorrect use of the term) who are fighting to maintain control of the Frankenstein monster they created called Onlyfans (in a war I fear we are going to lose), and even the Republican form of government they created which inevitably—and I would argue by design—fosters centralized female matrilineal control and assures only a handful of "pre-selected" men must be sacralized to control an entire country, they control the entire world.
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>>542343442
I agree with what you're saying in principle, but I don't think that's uniquely a problem with the church. That's just one symptom of a more general malaise that's holistically fallen over the human experience.
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>>542335142
>Why are women everywhere no longer desiring children?
because men will do ANYTHING but be good, empathetic, respectful husbands. there's nothing in it for women anymore so why bother
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>>542336730
her face looks like a spider



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